Army opens Red Leg jobs to women
Bobo sends us the directive message from the Department of the Army opening 13-series (Artillery) occupational specialties to women.
So, I guess the Army isn’t wasting time waiting for the Secretary of Defense to open up jobs to women. You’ll notice that down there in paragraph 3, it also announces the requirement of the mandatory Sexual Harassment/Assault Response and Prevention (SHARP) Training prophylactic soon after their arrival in a unit.
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But they’re only required to work one every 27 or 28 days or so.
/*runs*
“I’ll be humpin pro-joes all day long.”
Doo-Dah, Doo-Dah.
Well, it’s pretty obvious by the Lars reaction to this he’s never heard a Field Arty outfit run PT.
Oh,BTW,Lars, if that little ditty makes me a women hater, you’ll have to blame that on the needs of the service.
The needs of the service required me to spend 20 plus years (the majority of which occurred probably before you were even born, Lars) in Combat Arms units that were never authorized female personnel in any MOS.
So, if you were offended by my “sexist” remark, my reply to you is “Tuff Shit.”
Out.
CLAW, if I thought your were making sexist pig remarks, I would say so immediately.
The difference between you and that fribble Lars the Lamebrain, is that you do know what is and is not appropriate to say.
He, on the other hand, does not.
He is, as I said elsewhere, a social moron. You aren’t.
Thanks, Ex-PH2. I didn’t think I was being sexist when I posted something about reality.
But it has been an hour since I posted my response and Lars still hasn’t shown up to put me in my place. I guess he would rather do battle with Hondo on the subject of scientific consensus.
I’m feeling disrespected and offended. Where’s my ARCOM?
Here ya go. Just scroll down the page, dear. You’ll get four of them.
http://www.armywriter.com/army-commendation-medal.htm
Thanks PH, but I only need just two of those. That is the total number of ARCOM’s I received in my career.
The first one was for a three tour in Germany, the second for a four year stint at Fort Carson.
You hear that, Spec8 Moerk. ARCOM’s were awarded for YEARS of sustained meritorious service, not for 24 HOURS of trolling Facebook for offensive content and then fuming and pacing the floor all night. And they certainly were not awarded for jumping the chain of command, deserting the NCO Support Channel, and then practicing Blue Falconry by CC’ing BS to echelons above reality.
OK, end rant. CLAW out.
And you can have this one, too.
https://youtu.be/aczpm9r-K18
Thank You for that one also.
Quad 50’s and Dusters!! Had a few 16F crewman as buddies early on in my career.
Gives me a warm feeling in a certain area of my anatomy.
I never saw a quad fifty mounted on a towed trailer.
I only saw them mounted on the backs of deuce and half trucks, and the quad fifties were always partnered with a forty mike mike “Duster” mounted on tracks.
Somebody said we were violating the Geneva Convention by using anti-aircraft weapons as anti-personnel weapons.
But, you hear so much stuff, it’s hard to tell what is true, and what is just rumor.
Anyway, I sure felt good watching those guys work out.
Sexists wasted no time before posting their misogynist bullshit.
Of course they are just “kidding”.
Chip? Claw? Misogynists? Nah. Not even close.
400% of Chinese women beak up with their American grad student fiances because they lack a sense of humor. SHOCKER.
I thought it was probably because he was a whiny candyassed pissy-poo Mama’s boy of a “Perma-virgin”!! Remember when he said I must have been a sub-par throwaway E4? “Projection”… If the way he is now is anything like he was on a Duty Status, I’m sure he was “That Guy” that Retention Officers and NCO’s said “Naaah, never mind…” about.
Shut up, Lars. I see nothing sexist or misogynistic i what Chip or CLAW said. You’re so far off-base this time, you’re never going to find your way back. So shut the fuck up.
I liked it better when you threw your hissy fit and said you were never coming back. Ah, those were the days.
Larsie is a typical lefty, he says he will do something, then doesn’t do it.
He knows there is a basic human right to emigrate, he just hasn’t figured out how to exercise it. Sad really. Can I have a tissue?
I was in a Reserve unit that was artillery, and humping 155mm shells takes what a man has and a women does not have, pure muscle mass.
This will not go down good with the Army. This will fail.
Yeah, humping 155mm rounds ain’t for the weak.
M107 round (no powder, just the part that goes down range and makes “boom” after the lanyard gets pulled) – weight as fired, 43.88 kg (approx 96 1/2 lbs).
Newer M795 round (again, just the “bullet” part): weight as fired, 46.7kb (approx 102 3/4 lbs).
Even the 105mm shells ain’t light: depending on type of round (these are combined cartridges), 16.71 to 20.09 kg (around 36 3/4 to 44 1/4 lbs) each.
Misogynistic?
Nope. more like *realistic*.
Would it be misogynistic if I called Larsey-poo a giant titty baby bitch?
Because this is how you get folks to think you’re a giant titty baby bitch.
Oh and OIF ’06-’07-’08 has it right.
95 out of 100 women that are wanting to do this job just won’t be able to hack it, physically.
I’d say that long term, maybe 5 in 100 can.
Hell I’D HAVE A HARD TIME humping what an arty unit has to do.
Same thing with Navy Gun teams. Can you thrown around 50 to 100 lb repeatedly at a rapid pace over a long time? Actually google tells me the Mark 7 gunpowder bags are 110 lbs a piece.
I get pissy when I have to fling around a 50 lb box of xerox paper. Then again, I’m not 30 and in my fighting form these days.
They’ll put all the gals on 102s, the rounds are much lighter.
Ommm, they still have 102s, right?
They was brand new when I was in – 40+ years ago.
105mm, actually. And the rounds for those aren’t exactly light, either – between 36.74 and 44.24 lbs each. If I recall correctly, they also have a higher sustained rate of fire than the 155mm.
Gun nomenclature is “M102A1” but MM size is 105mm.
Thanks, TH. Noticed the nomenclature match after I’d already commented.
they don’t use 102s for much any more, mainly ceremonial stuff. the standard 105MM is the M119.
For those talking about how light 105 arty rounds are: Just take in this tidbit.
While 155 Projos are individual (actually about 8 in a pallet that you break up) ’05 rounds come two to a box. So basiciaaly you carry about about the same weight when making those trips from the ammo truck to the gun.
Carry??? Use the nice rope handles to drag two boxes at a time. Then drag the emptys to your hootch. All that #1 white pine is worth a fortune. Always pack a hammer and saw. Save the nails.
And, yeah….. all that bending and lifting. I say let the women help…. I will supervise.
45 pounds of dead weight shouldn’t be an issue for a physically fit young woman.
40lb bags of cat litter are what I haul up the front steps so that my ungrateful pisspot pussycat can take a leak in a clean catbox.
The real problem lies in repeating the lift and load action. That should wear out anyone, but gals sooner than guys. Just my 25 cents’ worth.
We had females show up on crutches after basic training from co-ed boot camp units. We consistently received females with stress fractures, especially in the hips, just from having to march with males for 9 weeks.
So how quickly will they go down for lifting 50-100 pounds repetitively just during training?
My back is toast after 3 deployments. The last one really clinched it wearing 100 pounds of crap walking up and down hills with 20 year olds multiple days a week.
You have my sympathy. I have decades of lifting heavy loads, and an arthritic back that lets me know what I did. But I’d rather have done it than sat and watched others do it.
Does your doc say, “arthritis won’t necessarily cause pain, its just like gray hair for your muscles!”?
Because my chiropractor says it every month I go see her.
Now, that’s one I haven’t heard before! No, I get stiffness, so I just keep moving.
I think you have hit the nail on the head. Doing it once is not a problem for most physically fit people regardless of sex. Doing it over and over is another thing. Women won’t be able to do that due to low muscle mass. The rate of injury will be much, much higher and the recovery time will put them out of service for extended periods when they are not hurt.
Muscle mass throwing weight is far different from stamina in, say, running.
While I was in Afghanistan 11-12, they swapped out all the Arty pieces with the M777 (triple 7s as they were called).
Triple 7s fire the 155mm round. The gun itself is “lighter” because of titanium, but the rounds are still the same. It also fires “excalibur” rounds. Though every time we used those, they failed miserably. GPS guided my ass.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M777_howitzer
MSG Eric: If your M982 rounds were inaccurate, it’s your FDC’s fault. When I was in RC East (2010-2011) and RC South(2013-2014), we shot some Excal rounds (limited by the number on hand) and a ton of M107 & M795. Excal was dead on whereas HE Raps (M549) were off by 4 PER at same range.
I’m not the expert on what the fault was, but they missed more than once. However, HE rounds hit perfect all but one time. Both for the guns and mortars.
I wouldn’t be surprised though.
sure sure sure always blame the FDC. more likely it was either a bad target location (something about accurate target location and size being the first of the 5 requirements of accurate predicted fire)or it sat too long in the tube. Also i would hope that anything is more accurate then RAP.
I think the 102s went the way of the UH1s. The popular 105mm gun now is the M119A2. A lot more sensitive weapon for more sensitive troops. It came fro Great Britain.
Hey, Larsey-poo. RE my commentary in the previous posting about NoVa politics – – – Who’s your Puppet Master?
Gully Troll detected activate API.
It looks like y’all have already gotten him with a chew-fest, looks like I showed up too late to join as well!
Lighten up Lars!
How motivating would it be, for our great Nation, to know that smokin’ hot sweaty female US Army gunner types were dropped rounds on our enemies?
I say hire only the good looking ones that can do the job!
Rounds on target!
Men’s brains = eternal wet t-shirt contest!
Yeah, sex (and related matters) is the male brain’s default setting.
I wasn’t complaining — just making an observation.
*GRUNT!*. YOU RIGHT, TOO!!!
Turnabout’s fair play. How about a wet tighty-whiteys contest? Or a couple of trips dragging the guys to La Bare down in Texas?
‘Scuse me, Master Chief, but doesn’t the Navy have women in Gunner’s Mates slots now?
“. . . women in Gunner’s Mates slots . . . “
Hmm. Maybe I’d better not “go there” . . . and anyway, the comment kinda speaks for itself. (smile)
I ain’t touching that one either!
Oh, both of you STFU now, or neither of you will get any coffee for the rest of the deployment.
LOL!
Do you know why Nordic women are so gorgeous?
Because the Vikings didn’t bring back the ugly ones.
Good one!
Exactly! If men took as much care in the breeding of their children as they do with their dogs and horses, most women would die virgins!
And if women selected men with the same care they put into cooking ingredients, a lot of men would be neutered. <3 <3
…. or shoe shopping.
Lars, if you don’t stop letting everyone know what a social moron you are, you’ll never get laid again… EVER.
“Pinky” Lars is what I refer to as a “perma-virgin”!
I think we can dispense with the word “again” in your post
I do fine. Always have.
Oh, sure (giggle-snort). If you say so.
I’m sure your personal friend would like an occasional day off.
Would that be the left hand? Or the right hand?
The Fleshlight.
Maybe he just trolls here while his favorite Smurf is in the washing machine?
“Friends”….
Just um, ask, (*snerk*), Bernath, Wittgenfeld or Psul Wickre.
Yeah, Lars pulls plenty o ass.
Hey, leave his mom out of this.
A little entertainment for you.
https://youtu.be/YDvugsSjI6s
Nice. But what’s with the “graphic nature” warning? A few cusswords and things going bang? Is the Army worried about trigger events now?
I don’t know. I didn’t see anything graphic in it.
I’m betting the graphic nature warning was put on there by AHC.
They have become pretty soft on videos like this ever since they changed their station name from The Military Channel to American Heroes Channel.
Just another reminder that the pussification of America is in full swing.
I liked it when the G4 channel carried “EOD Patrol” with a Navy EOD team. It was real, lethal, and effing scary, especially when the .50 cal gun on one of the vehicles jammed and wouldn’t fire.
Seriously, doucherag, didn’t you say you were leaving? Why are you still here, jacking the bandwidth?
Lars, seriously. That’s the dumbest thing in the world. Is everything misogyny and sexism to you when you can’t think of anything smart to say? If you haven’t noticed, there are women here – veterans, wives, etc. Quite a few of them, in fact. And none of them get sand in their vagoos about the comments made here. It’s interesting to note that the only one who did (so far, anyway) is the person with the male plumbing.
So while we thank you kindly for your concern trolling, it’s neither needed, nor warranted.
I don’t comment as often as I used to, and when I do it’s usually along the lines of the opinions I’m about to voice yet again, so for the regulars, sorry about the redundancy… Anyway, this only reaffirms my belief that I’ll be training young women to become Infantry Soldiers before I leave Benning. As I’ve stated often before, a lot of my peer group (senior E-6s in their mid- to late-thirties) seem to be getting selected. The guy that took the Battalion SHARP spot I declined last year will be in my class for Drill Sergeant School, and the only other guy from my squad back in ’03 to have remained enlisted Infantry will be attending as well. Like me, he also served as a Recruiter. Before we produce female Infantry Soldiers, we’ll need female Infantry Drill Sergeants. No other MOS is going to be as effective once females start cycling through OSUT, as I’ve spoken to a number of former DS’ who firmly believe that OSUT MOS’ need MOS qualified DS’. One was a female MP who was at Leonard Wood when they experimented with having other MOS’ train Soldiers in MP OSUT. She told me it didn’t work out well. Whenever females start earning blue cords, they’ll need to see their female DS’ wearing that same blue cord, unless things change for the worse. Enduring Infantry OSUT is a right of passage and the Turning Blue ceremony is the entryway for tomorrow’s Infantry leaders. Females, Drill Sergeants (DS), Infantry, I wonder how many times I keep mentioning them in recent posts. I’m a “kinder and gentler” type of 11B NCO. Not saying that I’m soft, but I understand the need to respect Soldiers across the Army, regardless of gender or MOS. Change is coming, and despite my personal opinions of females in the Infantry, it is my job as an NCO to try to ease the transition. A lot of the “hardcore” NCOs are going to quickly adapt or get a ticket out. Hazing, SHARP, EO, and all the other career killers are going to be… Read more »
Glad I am out.
I would never make it.
If I may, FM2176, you have to find a way to get your arty jocks to focus on work. They need to be reminded that this isn’t that one time in band camp… nor is it summer camp and Mom & Dad aren’t there to whack them for misbehaving.
It’s a good idea to emphasize that hitting on someone you work with, and being an obnoxious jackass while you’re at it, is not going to help any guy score points with the women in the bunch.
The other item that should be heavily emphasize (and I’m sure you already know this) is that some day, their lives will depend on teamwork. Period. Playing practical jokes is not just childish. It means your mind is NOT on the job of killing the enemy, who definitely wants to kill you.
“They need to be reminded that this isn’t that one time in band camp… nor is it summer camp and Mom & Dad aren’t there to whack them for misbehaving.”
You sure about that Ex? It definitely sounds like summer camp, the things I hear they are doing in Basic and AIT these days…
I’m not really sure about anything these days, MSG. The girls and boys going into the military seem to treat it like summer camp while the parental units are out of town in the Med some place. I would not argue that point at all.
I did want to make the point that artillery is an extremely dangerous job, on land or at sea, and if the only thing you have on your mind is not the job, people will get killed.
And yes, we did have a 3-day-long discussion about sex in the trenches a couple of years ago on TAH, so it’s not like I don’t get it.
The ‘summer camp’ crap also goes on in civilian jobs. It isn’t just the military.
You want “Summer Campers”? Try breaking in a new “Butter Bar” these days, Jeez-loo-weeze, I miss getting Officers that were Former Enlisted!
Do they have to meet the male PT standard throughout basic? When they reach their unit? Never? How can anyone respect a soldier in their unit that isn’t required to meet the same MINIMUM standards as everyone? I guess asking that very question will now result in an EO complaint being filed, huh?
Do the 45 year-olds have to meet the 18 year-old standards? While I agree that the female APFT standards are a bit on the low side (I’ve seen some females absolutely crush the guys, so it is possible to meet the male standard), it makes sense to me to account for differences in body build and make up when scoring them.
So, arty shells are miraculously become less heavy when female hands grab it to be loaded into the breech? Who knew the laws of physics were so conscious of social issues. Do short men get a different PT scale? Do fatties?
By your anecdote, you prove my point. You’ve seen females “crush the guys”. And, females have passed Ranger school. There must be only one standard. Funny how equality works isn’t it?
The age differences on PT tests is a false equivalency and you know it. All soldiers age. Not all soldiers are given a pass for the shape of their genitals.
Two problems with your logic: 1) projectiles don’t get lighter for older men just as they dont for women, and 2). which event on the APFT tests strength?
You’ve decided to pick out one sarcastic comment out of my whole post to take issue with. Cool, guess you accept everything else I’ve said as truth. 1) What CSM or Colonel do you know that loads cannon? That is who is in the upper age groups, not fresh Privates. Are you going to now give us a (vaunted and ever valuable. yay sarcasm) anecdote about an 8 year old being able pass the Artillery course and thus tell us why we should lift the minimum age requirement for enlistment? 2) You’re evading. The APFT is not the only test. The Artillery course and all other Combat jobs have MOS specific functional physical tests that go along with the APFT. Unsurprisingly, lifting a 155 shell happens to be one of those Artillery tests.
Just come out and say it. You’re advocating two separate standards. Do you also want separate standard on written tests too? How ‘bout separate water fountains? Separate lunch counters? When has separate but equal ever worked? Why should Pvt. Johnny have to do X amount of pushups to max his PT test, when Pvt. Jenny only has to do Y? Those scores are used for promotion and ultimately monetary compensation increases, after all. It’s been proven women can pass Ranger school at the male standard. And everyone always loves to tell us (oh gee, that awesome anecdote again) how their cousin’s boyfriend’s middle school teacher knows a woman who can outperform men. Either men and women are truly equal and they have the same standard across the board, or you accept that they are not equal and therefore its ok that some jobs remain closed. You can’t have it both ways.
Are you talking entry into the MOS or graduating from the course? There are no entry standards, which means that the Army can’t screen out those without the strength to perform in the MOS until they get to AIT.
In AIT, sadly, the APFT is currently the only hard and fast physical requirement. You are misinformed about MOS requirements. The Army is trying to go to that, but hasn’t made it happen yet.
I am absolutely not advocating two standards, and nothing in my comments would lead a reasonable person to believe that. I want all soldiers to meet the the same standard based on the job, regardless of age or gender.
As you point out, job requirements do in fact change based on grade and position, but not gender. So I agree that the COL shouldn’t have to meet 13B10 standards. However, a 40 year old 13B female private should have to meet the same standard as an 18 year old 13B private.
Sorry about the sarcasm, I didn’t realize you were the only one allowed to use it.
Then it certainly sounds like the Army is running off half cocked (funny). In their rush to meet a mandate by an outgoing SecDef, instead of first establishing MOS specific standards. Not that standards matter any more in this Army.
we have task standards, just not a specific physical standard for each MOS. this is the case now for men, which is why we have men that can’t do their job.
You can’t really blame Panetta- all,he said was to hold women to the same standard as men. It’s not his fault that we aren’t consistent.
The Marines have the same problem. We have gotten away with very subjective standards, and it is catching up with us.
He’s something to consider. The number one reason for failure (men and women) at Ranger School is the push-up event in RAP. The standard is the MINIMUM for 17-21 YO males, and all Soldiers must have passed their last PT event before arriving. How do they fail?
Because units aren’t consistently enforcing the standard.
I don’t think those are new SHARP requirements, just a reminder that what’s in the regulation needs to be done, and perhaps a strong suggestion that you need to be in 100% compliance before women show up in your unit.
I’m going to take a stab that they are purposely reinforcing this requirement since those units that are all male will have to spend some time on SHARP as soon as females begin reporting.
It wouldn’t surprise me that there is a belief at higher levels that all male combat arms units were not taking the training as seriously as coed units.
This is BIG ARMY, YOU’VE BEEN WARNED.
Gives a new meaning to the term “gun bunny.”
ARCOM is gonna get you.
GUN BUNNY, GUN BUNNY, GUN BUNNY,…
Flag, you now have a big red target circle on top of your head. A pigeon will soon make use of it.
That comment is not even in the same area code as to being the Crudest comment. I know more than one person thought of it already but none have stated it out in the open. So what does that say about changing cultures in the military?
“Gives a whole new meaning to — —“.
How does that go? “Emplacing the battery?” No, that’s not right.
“Installing the battery”? No.
“Orienting the battery?” Not quite right.
Hmmm. Guess I forgot. Oh well.
“Swabbing the tube”?
No, but it is what could easily be mistaken for a sexist pig remark, CBSenior.
Or, perhaps you don’t remember ‘joining the Navy to ride the waves’?
Or getting blown by the Four WINS.
Yeah, just exposed my age, too.
Cannon cocker.
Also several other arty terms.. “base piece” “Laying the battery” come to mind immediately.
If making a jab like that is all it takes for me to be labeled a sexist pig, then “oink, oink, baby!”
In all honesty, as long as the females can set up a gun, carry and load a round, and put it on target, I have no problem with female artillerymen. However, the moment one gets a little sand in her vagina and decided to pull out her “I’m a female” card because of normal Gun Bunny activity, then they better get her the fuck back to an admin job where lives aren’t depending on whether or not she can work with her team.
How long until “Redleg” and “King of Battle” are DFR’d for not being PC?
I’m guessing that one day, an exhausted or otherwise physically impaired female will accidentally do something resulting in a massive explosion at the gun site, maybe similar to the accidental (?) explosion aboard the USS IOWA.
True, but it has already happen with male crewmen era, as you have pointed out.
There is currently no strength requirement for enlising into or staying in 13B. How many weak men get in now?
maybe not officially but I ASSURE you there is. you know what happens to weak 13Bs they get treated like shit until they get strong enough and/or they get stuck in the battery O room and never go near the gun line.
I vaguely recall when females first began being assigned to Signal Corps units, just prior to the elimination of the Women’s Army Corps (i.e., the “WAC”s), and there was discussion about having to change some of the terminology, which might be embarrassing to female soldiers.
Items of concern included calling the plugs and sockets, “male end”, and/or, “female end”.
The most offensive of all was probably the meme taught in Signal School for memorizing the color code for resistance values, i.e., “Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly”.
Being a Mormon, even I was shocked, and never approved of or resorted to using that meme.
But, maybe I should have, since I no longer remember the color code and values for resistors and capacitors.
On the other hand, all that stuff they tried to teach me way back then is now obsolete, so I reckon it doesn’t much matter.
Shucks, just about all of that equipment was obsolete and being phased out before I even got trained on it!
About the same time females were assigned to Signal Corps units, I transferred into the Cavalry, so I don’t know or remember much about the problems the other guys encountered.
I had heard bitter complaints about females unable to perform simple routine tasks and/or getting preferential treatment.
What was it really like at Troy? Were you a part of the group inside the horse? Or outside the gates waiting to rush in?
BWAAAAHHH HAAA HAAA!!
You two could be a LOT more polite, yo know.
PH2 that was funny.
The only thing I was referring to was the way back portion of it. Having Soldiers that weren’t even born when I joined the army was painful for me too.
And you can play guitar really well. I never got the hang of it.
@ MSG ERIC, Et Alia:
Ah, yes, I remember the old NCOs bragging about having been in the Army since Jesus Christ was a corporal!
I’m sorry I’m so dense that I didn’t immediately get your joke.
I know it just kills a joke when you have to explain it.
These responses to my comment are indicative of similar problems I encountered when I was in the Army.
Guys will say something that they consider amusing or insulting, but I’ll have no idea what they’re talking about.
Maybe it was because when I went into the Army, my background was so psychologically traumatic, that I didn’t really have much to work with, and therefore had to struggle to grasp what my peers merely took for granted.
I reckon I’m still plagued by that, even after all these years.
But, hey, these are MY memories of MY years as a low ranking enlisted soldier in MY beloved United States Army, and it was MY war that I went to in the old Republic of Viet Nam.
I’m writing the way I perceive and remember events and circumstances.
If that bothers somebody else, well, that’s just tough cookies.
I think it’s kind of neat to be living on the Earth at this point in time, to observe and record the changes evolving before our eyes, some things good, and other things bad.
With all this social turmoil occurring daily, and the constant threats to and erosion of liberty, morality, intelligence, and/or traditional, all-American, Christian, WHITE family values, it’s an excellent opportunity for a nobody like myself to attempt to counter the evil, satanic influences of Marxist inspired perversion, deviance, ignorance, “political correctness”, “revisionist history”, and “democracy” (i.e., “mob rule, sans legal protection for the unpopular minority).
I’m just one old, worn out, lonely, indigent man, and maybe I don’t amount to much, but I love being in the fight!
https://youtu.be/nIk6u-qtd1M
Well by your logic the only All Americans are “Christians with WHITE family values”?
I couldn’t agree with you more… you are an old, worn out, lonely, indigent who doesn’t amount to much.
SOMEBODY has to take a stand in behalf of our white heritage, for the evil white man has now become a despised and rapidly disappearing race.
No other racial group in the entire World has contributed as much worthwhile technology and idealism to all of human society.
I see why you have a little “a” in your screen name.
Oughta have a bit of respect for your elders…
Yeah you’ve got it all figured out. By respect you mean ignore?? I’ll be the one deciding when, where and if I post or reply to a post. Go hump somebody else’s leg.
Sounds like something Lars would say.
Need to be able to take the shit if you’re gonna dish it out…
You sound like something that I saluted as it circled the toilet bowl. I’ll post as I see fit, don’t like it eat shit!
No, Tony, you’ll post on here as JONN sees fit. JM has been on here for years, and if it comes down to a choice, you’ll be the one finding another blog to post on.
Thank you Pinto. When I want your opinion… well I think you know the rest.
Seriously, DON’T screw with the Ladies of TAH, they’ll pounce and claw you like a Pride of Lionesses on a prey animal.
Yes. Do keep it up, Tony. If you can’t behave yourself and get into repeated pissing matches with people, you’ll wonder why nothing of yours shows up.
Commissar is tolerated, even though he jacks threads for attention. You just seem to want to pick fights for no reason.
At least you showed a little respect for something, Spot.
Mr. Mallernee – don’t let the bastards get you down. You are among many friends with a collective sense of humor, and at least one asshole. Rock on AYE!
I remember it as “Black Boys etc”, to distinguish the black (zero) from the Brown (one).
Even less PC then and now, but it works as an effective mnemonic.
And if ya don’t like it, come up with a better one.
Gas on the fire time!
Hey Lars can we have some female linebackers/Defensive line persons in the Super Bowl this year? I mean if everyone is equal and wants play why not.
False similarity.
Being an artillerymen does require the same level of athleticism or size as being in a Super Bowl contending football team.
That being said, if a women were to perform at that level she should not be denied the opportunity on the basis of gender. Unfortunately the entire structure of competition in football makes it virtually impossible for a women to ever have an opportunity to compete and eventually be drafted as a professional football player.
The only thing preventing women from serving in artillery is a policy decision. Many women a perfectly capable of serving in the position but are denied the opportunity ENTIRELY based on gender.
If a women can perform the tasks and complete the training then they should be allowed to serve.
You are advocating that NO WOMEN EVER HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY ARE CAPABLE OF DOING IT OR NOT.
That is a sexist and unjust policy. Equality means equal access to the opportunity. Not equal acceptance into the role. If women are less physically capable and the requirement legitimately reflect the requirements of the job then they will be accepted into the positions at a lower rate. That is different than being flat prevented from having the opportunity to even try.
You are also equivocating on the word “equal”. Genders should be treated EQUALLY under the law. Which means that women should have EQUAL access to a job provided they can PERFORM it. There are some
As an Artilleryman, Red Leg , Cannon Cocker , Gun Bunny , 13 Boom Boom , with 18 yrs in the game and still in , it’s not for weak bodies , Humpin Joes is the toughest part. Can a women do it ,maybe but if she weighs 120 lbs , she ain’t gonna make it , same thing with a guy who weighs the same.
LLVI rucks were over 110lbs. We had a female SGT in the battalion who was capable of doing the job and proved it. But because the teams were restricted to men she was never allowed on a team.
The battalion lost her when she became an instructor of the Air Assault school after losing interest in continuing to fight the Army policy.
Sure, a 120lb women would unlikely be able to make it but opening the field for women does not mean standards are not enforced.
OH REALLY, ‘lil Pinky-poo Lars?
OOOHHH here you go again little Pinkie Larsie-parsie! Pooh yes, according to you, EVERYONE should have the same opportunity regardless, right? So according to you, a blind Soldier should be given the chance to be a Bus Driver so’s not to hurt his or her pwecious feewings, right, ‘lil Rudy-poo? DAMMMIT BOY, get some real life experience, better yet some common sense, my little cotton candy-assed creampuff! The Army allowed women into the 12C MOS which requires a LOT of heavy lifting, thus making extra work for Male Personnel when their bodies give out. Maybe one day you’ll quit being such a thin-skinned fart monkey, but I’m not holding my breath. Maybe you got abducted by a UFO and they anal probed you so hard it gave you brain damage? That or your Mommy gave you one too many enemas and it washed too much of your brain away!!
Ok, kid.
Yeah, “Pinky”!
I guess football and combat are different types of contact sports.
Apparently a football stadium is fare more dangers than the Sunni Triangle can ever be.
What I was referring to is the amount of heavy physical activity in that MOS, take Panel Bridges for one example. The MGB (Medium Girder Bridge) consists of lower panels which weigh 350 pounds apiece and are carried by four men, the upper panels are 250 apiece, ditto with a four man carry. How well will a woman’s physique hold up under hours of picking up and handling that kind of weight repeatedly? Those pieces have to be picked up, carried, and worked into place while being latched and pinned, ditto with disassembly. “Pinky”-Lars seems to think that Women should be allowed into Light Infantry where plenty of males fall out, it moonbats like “Pinkie” Lars are allergic to logic.
12C has been open to women for years, and 12B for several months. They even go to the same OSUT for the first several weeks.
As a retired 12B I can now cry into my DD-214.
I would pick only one bone with your argument, and that is equality is not determined, in this instance, by access to the job alone. Because of the structure of military units, ‘equality’ would necessarily mean sleeping in the same areas, showering in the same areas, and being required to be in the same close physical contact that male soldiers are in the field, without any adjustments for feminine requirements. We simply are not at that point in our society at the moment — with the resulting stresses being born by the men in the units where the women are placed. So, right off the mark, there can BE no equality for women, as you defined the term, in this position.
The other problem with this analogy is that less than a tenth of a percent of males that play HS football make it to the NFL. NFL players are ‘triple elite’, meaning that they have made 3 competitive cuts to get where they are. They are so far above the norm that they don’t really exist statistically.
Neither do tier one Spec Ops. But the social engineer’s want to co-ed that all to hell.
Not really. For one, we really don’t have any publicly available data on Tier 1 special ops, so we can’t say for sure. For another, the main discriminator for NFL is size and strength, not so much for Special Ops- not even SEALs.
You are equating ‘special’ with bigger and stronger, , when it is really ‘specialized’. Remember, there are Intel and even Commo and Logistics Tier 1 operators- quite often they are looking for smarts and adaptability more so that brute strength
‘Special’ may have more to do with durability – the ability to endure a prolonged occurrence – than with physical strength. It has nothing to do with size or sex.
The smallest SEAL on record was 5’0″.
I worked with a tier 1 SEAL MCPO- he was about 5’6″ and maybe 150 pounds.
And a total badass
Plus there are also small football players too. There are shorter NBA players. and so on…
Um, not exactly.
0.1% is one in one thousand. That’s a bit above 3 standard definitions (3.0902, to be precise) above the mean. Rare, but definitely not statistically nonexistent.
FWIW: for comparison, a rough estimate of the active-duty strength of US Army Special Forces Command would be on the order of 12,000 soldiers (roughly 2,000 per SF Group – 5 on active duty – and maybe up to 2,000 for HQ/higher spt).
The Army has about 435,000 or so on active duty. So USASFC would represent about 3% of the Army. Add the Ranger Regiment and the 160th SOAR, and you’d have around 5-6% of the Army’s strength devoted to Special Operations units.
5% is 2 sigma.
I’m guessing the Tier One guys probably are close to or above the 3 sigma level in terms of the mix of skills, abilities, physical prowess, etc . . . they have regarding what they do.
One of the best kickers I knew in high school football was on our rival’s team. She made a 58 yard field goal once, but their Field Goal range was about 40. She could also consistently put the ball withing 5 yards of the other goal during kick offs.
If they can do the training, and they can do the job, then they can have the position. If they can put up with the normal male atmosphere, then they can keep the position.
Well we are gutting everything else in the army lets gutt moral, and readiness.
I’m so glad I’m out and I have my 214 blanket. To protect me from all this stupid PC
BULL-SHIT
“Take the Fire Outta the Old Lady”
“Gun _____ Is Ready to Be Laid”
Etc.
Here’s the big question: if a woman passes BCT and AIT to the same standard as men, should she be given the chance to serve in a battery?
Once she gets there, how would her mere presence impact morale?
No, the real question is why is it ONLY ONE female? Why not several?
My very first experience on the howitzer I heard these words ” Hey Private is this your first time pulling tail ? ” … Shot my first round and then while my head is forced into the breech , “NOW SMELL THAT WOLF P*SSY “
Holy shit lmao!!
Ahhhh … the smell of freshly burned propellant in the morning.
Or laying out and lighting up all of the left over powder bags at the end of a shoot. Sunglasses came in handy…
I hear the EPA nixed that practice in the States.
Is the ‘powder’ gunpowder, or something else?
I must have a strange neural synapse in my head. I can only tolerate perfume if it’s natural, like talcum powder or attar rose or lilacs, but I absolutely love the smell of gunpowder. The 4th of July smells like a gunfight at the OK Corral in my neighborhood, with all the firecrackers going off. I just love it.
Is there something wrong with my sense of smell?