Most “Hardline and Effective” Regime In History
I saw this gem from one of our frequent commenters.
Fucking nonsense. Obama has been much more hardline and effective in the fight against Islamic extremists and terrorists than any president in history, including Reagan.
I have to agree, at least in part. I must admit that the current Occupant, 1600 PA Ave, Wash DC, and his krewe have indeed been uniquely effective regarding engaging Islamic extremists and terrorists. Let’s discuss his and his regime’s amazing record of success here.
1. Inherited a stable situation in Iraq, with functioning government, a low-level of insurgency, and relative peace. And just look at Iraq today!
2. Took over a manageable conflict in Afghanistan. Initially ignored good advice (Afghan surge recommended by McChrystal), then implemented a variant later. Things have only gotten better there in the last 6 1/2 years, right?
3. For political reasons (or possibly out of pure spite), failed to obtain an Iraq SOFA allowing a residual US presence in that nation.
4. Ignored warnings concerning possibility of rise of ISIS/ISIL/whatever the hell they’re calling themselves today during Iraq SOFA negotiations. Coupled with #3 above, this led to the rise of ISIS. ISIS now controls about half of Syria and around a third of Iraq; the Iraqi Army and government are now barely credible.
5. Appears to have based US strategy on countering Islamic extremism on “support for local populations” and clandestine armed RPA strikes. Yes, the latter has been of minor military value – but it’s been at least as counterproductive, if not more, in terms of creating hostility to US efforts due to occasional erroneous strikes. It’s also handed a major propaganda weapon to Islamic extremists for only marginal military gain. And it’s almost certainly undermining the Pakistani government in the eyes of the Pakistani public, since each uninvited strike in Pakistan is a demonstration that the Pakistani government cannot control its own territory and airspace.
6. And that “support for local populations” thing, AKA the “Arab Spring”? It’s led to a chaotic Libya with at best a marginally effective central government and parts dominated by al Qaeda allies; the ouster of stable, pro-Western governments in Tunisia and Yemen; and nearly resulted in the Muslim Brotherhood taking over freaking Egypt. It also led to protests/unrest short of regime change in numerous other countries friendly to the US: Bahrain, Morrocco, Jordan, Kuwait, and Oman.
7. Dithering over Syria – e.g., being at first afraid to do squat, then drawing meaningless “red lines”, providing support to feckless “moderate” Syrian opposition that was in turn largely handed over to Islamic hardliners (al Nursa), and wasting $500M with the net result of training 50 troops. But no fear; all will turn out well.
8. And don’t get me started on the 5-for-1 trade with the Taliban for the knowing return of an apparent deserter – followed by feting said apparent deserter and his family at the White House.
Yeah, all of that simply screams “hardline, effective countering of Islamic extremism”, doesn’t it?
The author of the comment above is correct. The current gang of feckless fools and tone-deaf tools running things in DC since January 2009 Administration has indeed been singularly effective while engaging Islamic extremism.
Problem is, it’s been almost uniformly successful from the perspective of the Islamic extremists. From the US perspective, it’s been a nearly-uniform series of failures.
My reaction on reading that comment? “Son, I want some of whatever it is you’re smoking. That must indeed be some ‘really good sh!t’.”
Category: "Teh Stoopid", "Your Tax Dollars At Work", Foreign Policy, Terror War
The worshippers of Chicago Jesus see only brilliance
The Pope ain’t got SHIT on his Holiness Fartbongoaroo.
“Fucking nonsense. Obama has been much more hardline and effective in the fight against Islamic extremists and terrorists than any president in history, including Reagan”
Totally true; just look at that kool kickass “INHERENT RESOLVE” should patch they created…////
Everything bodaprez and his minions lay their filthy hands on turns to shit…
Yeah, he’s so hardcore that Putin just told him to pack his fucking bags and get out of the way.
Don’t forget the Iran deal – disguised as an executive action instead of a treaty just to bypass Congress.
Hondo, you forgot:
Causing strife with our allies (i.e., Israel) and making deals with our enemies (Cuba, Iran, etc.)
Oh, and you don’t even need to tell us who it is. Those of us who’ve been here longer than 20 minutes already know the “expert on the Obama Administration Foreign Policy” who said it.
I was trying to restrict the article’s length to something manageable, so I focused only on the Administrations’s failures regarding countering Islamic extremism. Otherwise, I’d still be writing . . . next Friday.
You’re awesome Hondo. Always looking out for us readers.
Who the hell said this? I can take a pretty good guess, but still…
oh, ferChrissakes, he’s a fucking student in California and an ex-98G… I’m surprised he’s as rational as he occasionally is. “It’s not a question of how well a pig can dance, it’s a wonder that he can dance at all”.
(chuckling)
I am done with this board. This board relentlessly attacks anyone that does not share their ideological framework.
The fact is Obama has ordered direct force to kill terrorists more frequently and in more countries than any president in history. He is authorizing actions in countries Bush was afraid to touch. His authorizations of force have seriously degraded Al Qaeda to the point of almost complete marginalization in international affairs. And their has been continuous strikes and direct actions against terrorists leaders, networks, camps, and capacity worldwide in in dozens of countries during his entire presidency.
So claiming he is soft on terrorists is flat bullshit.
Name a president that has ordered as many strikes against terrorists in as many places and has authorized anywhere near this number of kills on terrorist targets worldwide?
Name one? There isn’t one. That is empirical fact.
But because that FACT is not in accordance with the bullshit ideological narrative of this board you completely dismiss it and try to call me out in a main blog post for making a FACTUAL claim.
The “community” on this board is shit. Not only do I have posters trying to use my real name to associate me with supporting child rape, now one of the admins uses his blog post privileges to express outrage that I posted a FACT.
You win.
I am out.
Your tactics are ridiculous. The prevailing ideological narrative on this board is complete mindless bullshit. And some of the anonymous cowards on this board are vile pieces of shit. Many are likely not even veterans just pretending to be.
So you get your way. You silenced opposing views and can return to your little protected enclave of like minded asshats.
Really, Lars? Because this would be at least the third time that you have declared yourself too good for us and vowed not to come back. Apparently these statements from you have as much substance (none whatsoever) as the rest of your crap.
“Buh bye now!”
Please do not let the door hit your head(ass) on the way out.
Did somebody get their weanie stepped on?
Self inflicted while wearing golf shoes for the most part. Add some thin skin, and, well . . . bye.
First of all, congrats on your very own thread — positive or not. 🙂
Second…I WARNED YOU about the dog-pile. I doubt there is any frequent poster on here who hasn’t felt the wrath of the pack at least once.
Third…the idea behind an open forum is for the exchange of ideas. We have a reason for thinking the way we do, just as you do. We have ‘facts,’ too. The only way any of us will arrive at the truth is to examine both sides. If you feel you’re right, by God, stick to your guns. You just might put something out there that makes us see a situation in a whole new light.
Iunno about that, Pinto. The dog-piles only seem like they happen if you deliberately walk into it, from what I’ve seen. I haven’t had a runin with a commenter yet that wasn’t solved by rational, adult-like discourse yet. 🙂
Indeed. Those who argue their side logically and support those arguments with facts may or may not win over converts – but they will earn respect.
Those who don’t, get . . . treated a bit less cordially.
The timing was the last straw. The personal name calling and constant ad hominems were fine. But, I was getting annoyed at the tendency of anonymous posters to use my real full name in their posts to associate me with claims I never made or misrepresent what I said. Even using my real full name on threads and on topics I was not even posting on.
This morning a few crossed the line and associated my real full first and last name as someone willing to argue that there is a “right” to rape children.
It pissed me off. It was on a thread I had not even posting on.
That kind of crap is not Ok. That is not just dog piling. That is complete vile cowardly bullshit by anonymous trolls.
So, I appreciate you encouragement to stick to my guns, but this board is just not worth my time.
I have lost any respect I had for this community at this point and I am a little embarrassed I had at one point shared blog posts from this forum on my Facebook. I had no idea the kind of community these “veterans” were.
I know there are good people that frequent this board. I had a few message me on Facebook. One even added me as a friend.
However, overall, there are too many people that are a waste of my time to engage with further.
Already? I know you were full of shit the other times you claimed to be “done” with TAH, but that was fast! Again, thank you for proving my point, Larsie. You make it too easy.
Isn’t this the 3rd or 4th time Lars has threatened to leave?
Oh, who cares? I have stuff to do.
Translation: “You people were SO mean! (stamps foot) I’m going back and tell my friends at the ideological echo chamber where I go to school how mean you were – and beat my drum in the circle there from now on! No one ever questions what I say there!”
That drum circle comment was really low, Hondo. Your Grateful Dead listening privileges are hereby suspended for one week.
BYE-BYE, JIFFY-POO!!! 😀
If you have a real problem with a post, particularly if it concerns you personally, then use the ‘Report Comment’ button, and contact Jonn. If there is a real issue, Jonn can do everything from remove posts to moderate the blog itself (in other words, he’ll tell us to mind our manners on his site. And enforce it. He gives one public warning, and then the offending poster is GONE.)
You seem to have a fixation on shit, Lars. Why is that?
And, why can’t you keep your word?
Commissar, AYFKM??? If you would look at the top of any of these posts, there is a Facebook page link. You have commented on the TAH FB pages and your full fucking name was there. Boo-hoo. When YOU post in a public forum you are not anonymous. Get lost or don’t but quit yer belly aching about the things you might imply and then get subjectively nailed for. Don’t let the door hit you….
Well when you walk into a pen full of pit bulls wearing T-bone underwear, the dog pile is a natural outcome.
With that being said, AMF
Frequently, it was your flawed logic and unsubstantiated statements thwt were attacked but you’re too stupid to realize it. Bye.
Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!
(sorry. no “like’ button)
Good fucking riddance!!
Now see, the funniest thing about all this, Lars– I actually share some of your views towards not being an utter dickpickle to people different than yourself. I’ve said it before, I’m this community’s token leftist bisexual hippie douchebag– and yet, I’ve not been attacked for it.
Now why is this?
Because sometimes, the world doesn’t match up with “perfect world ideology”. Sometimes, you have to take off the rose tinted shades, and look at shit as it really is. Hondo was on the mark here, as much as I hate to admit it, and honestly, I regret voting for the man the first time he ran. I am more than cognizant of the fact that sometimes, a person needs to take off the glasses, meanwhile, it seems like you lounge in your academic paradise (which I honestly can’t fault you for unless you haven’t served before, since after my enlistment’s up, I’m going to school) and make innocuous, disingenuous comments designed to [I]specificallu[/I] antagonize people. i.e., you are to liberals what vegans are to rational vegetarians. Imho, you deserve your callout.
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out, and hopefully, when you come back, it’ll be with a newfound knowledge of the world that doesn’t rely on rosy shades to be seen.
*specifically, and wow I thought bbcode worked here. Guess not. Meh.
I think you have to use This with a “i” in the middle
specifically
The right carrot arrow and left carrot arrow with a “i” for italics in it.
(http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_i.asp )
Try HTML code. Some works, including a few nonstandard but common ones. Others don’t or require permission to post articles.
Ohhhh, so this is just pure html formatting. Not exactly sure why I thought bbcode was going to work. Chalk it up to a coffee-less day yesterday, I suppose.
*snerk*
I’m stealing “Dickpickle” for later.
😀 😀
Hey! I was gonna steal that! Chip, you’re just a big ol’ meanie, cutting in front of me!
I discovered the use of “dumber than a Deep Dixie shit pickle” on this forum and have used it successfully dozens of times.
This is a veritable gold mine full of choice bot mots and snappy repartee.
Yeah, but you appear to bathe regularly and are thus not a “stank-ass hippie”. Plus, you actually use things like “facts” and “logic”, and don’t run around exuding enough arrogance to p!ss off a lamp post from half a block away. (smile)
Don’t let the door hit you where the Good Lord split you…
Might have to steal that one from you, that rolls off the tongue a bit too well.
Please do… “sharing time is happy time”
Boy, you must be a youngster if you’ve not heard that before. It’s not that commonly used today, but I’m pretty sure that expression’s older than I am! (smile)
Indeed.
🙂
Um, Lars? I hate to break it to you, but they haven’t been attacking you. They’ve been mocking you. Big difference.
“Lars? I’m laughing at the ‘superior intellect.'”
Nice Kirk reference Casey.
Ideology? Well, I don’t smoke weed, so that lets that out.
You have no statistics to back up your claims about bodaprez.
You can’t even come up with something original. You can only pull stuff out of books you read.
And this is my personal favorite, especially since you couldn’t change the minds of the DUers: you just don’t like it when other people don’t agree with you on something. Not once have you ever said anything other than a basic ‘I’m right, you’re wrong, because I’m Lars’. You’re a toffee-nosed, stuck-up, self-important snot, without a job or a paycheck, just one step away from being a professional student, but that somehow makes you better than the rest of us.
Unfortunately, that does not make you better, but it does make you more stuck-up than a porcupine wearing marshmallow armor. And you always have an excuse for being wrong, like a brain fart or something.
You do not know everything. None of us do, either, but we at least acknowledge it when we should.
Your arrogance has no basis for its existence. A little humility would be appropriate, but you can’t even do that.
Start your own effing forum, if you don’t like it at TAH.
Oh, wait – the excuse for not doing that is that he’s not a columnist.
No, Lars, but you are an intentional pain in the ass.
“Name a president that has ordered as many strikes against terrorists in as many places and has authorized anywhere near this number of kills on terrorist targets worldwide?
Name one? There isn’t one. That is empirical fact.”
You said “empirical fact”. That means “verifiable by observation” so name the “authorized number of kills”. Let’s stop talking bullshit and pulling opinions out of our ass.
So are we counting the number of documents that he signed? The number of people killed by those documents? The number of organizations attacked? The ratio of terrorists killed to the total number of terrorists? The number of terrorist countries attacked? The increase in the number of terrorists since taking office? The number of bombing missions? Drone strikes?
Personally I would go with Mr. Bush. It seems to me that he went after all of the terrorists in Afghanistan and all of the terrorists in Iraq – Mr. Obama has not done either of those. Mr. Bush supported Israel against terrorists in their neck of the woods – Mr. Obama has not done that. Mr. Obama has managed to convert Libya back into a terrorist hub. Mr. Obama just gave Iran 100 billion dollars and we know what good friends they are with terrorists. Mr. Obama did almost nothing about the Ukraine and Crimea encouraging our buddy Mr. Putin. Mr. Obama just made a deal with Chinese where the Chinese agree to pretend that they aren’t attacking our IT infrastructure and we pretend to believe them. I am not done but I am tired of typing and I have a job.
All of those “aw shit”s count against our hero so name ’em – name these marvelous orders making Mr. Obama the saint of our time. Hell, he might even win the Nobel Peace Prize … oh shit, sorry. Now tell me, what has he done that was so wonderful?
It’s a common canard of the left that Obama is tougher on terrorists because he authorized several piecemeal missions… apparently they neglected to notice that if you shoot five people in five firefights it is not the same thing as carpetbombing a city.
“So are we counting the number of documents that he signed?”
Including Auto-Pen?
Good luck to ya laddie. And write when ya find work.
Lars, if more than 2 or 3 think your opinion is off the mark or totally wrong. I strongly suggest that you rethink your position from different position. You find something different than you you previosly throught. Oh, also WELL BYE. Joe
Bye Felica.
Bye Bye ! ! ! !
Don’t Let the Door Hit You in the ASS.
AND YES HE HAS DESTROYED our Armed Forces… No Joke. and just because the Republicans won the Senate. he and his Shitbag clowns are burning or trying to burn down our city’s not bad for a little hope and change
You shoulda stopped after “I’m done with this board.”
Obamadinejad & krewe are assjacks set on destroying this country. What I don’t get is why all of us cannot see it.
Wow. Just… wow.
“Name a president that has ordered as many strikes against terrorists in as many places and has authorized anywhere near this number of kills on terrorist targets worldwide?”
Let’s play a different game.
“Name a president who has more completely fucked up our country, our military, and our foreign relations in as many places worldwide as this one has?”
Quit whining and start educating yourself: functioning as Obama’s succubus is not working for you.
Oh, by the way… Anyone who accuses posters here of being anonymous cowards and “pretend” veterans deserves to get his ass kicked.
Wow, the butthurt is palpable! There have been many times I’ve disagreed with folks here, and someone no one has attacked or dog piled me, even though I’m pretty much the token libertarian here. Perhaps you need to reexamine your tone. There have been a number of times I’ve actually agreed with what you said, but your delivery was so arrogant and supercilious, I wanted to punch my screen!
And by the way… if you’re going to leave, why do it with so much drama and flair? If you don’t feel comfortable here, just go away.
*shrug*
The SOFA was signed by Bush in 09. We were instructed to the new ROE and stop all projects. Iraq was taking back their country is what was passed.
Beruit: no answer from RR
Khobar Towers, we sent in the FBI.
I think Clinton may have blown up a camel and a tent for the Embassy bombings.
Are you to tell us that all of you now really give a flying fuck about Nation building in AFG and Iraq. BS flag; 15 yds.
I hope nobody got whiplash from that sudden about face on the Care and Corncern for the good and stable AFG and Iraq governments.
True – if you’re talking about the SOFA requiring withdrawal of US forces from Iraq. I wasn’t. I was referring to the botched 2010-2011 negotiations for an amended SOFA that would have allowed a residual US presence there to ensure stability/protect US interests.
Those talks the current Administration torpedoed – intentionally, IMO, and after being warned that doing so could possibly lead to the rise of something like ISIS in the future. Withdrawal, possibly solely to spite their predecessor, was apparently more important to the current Administration than preserving stability and/or US interests in the region.
Regarding Beirut: unlike 9/11, it was unclear for years who actually perpetrated the Embassy and Marine Barracks bombings. Hezbollah and Iran had good OPSEC at the time, and our intel assets were still focused on the USSR – height of the Cold War, remember?
Khobar Towers occurred under Billy “Cigarman” Clintoon, who regarded international terrorism and al Qaeda as LE matters. ‘Nuff said on that one.
I personally couldn’t give a hoot in hell about rebuilding either Afghanistan or Iraq in our image. However, we do IMO have interests in region that make the latter problematic to abandon. Afghansitan, maybe so – maybe not. Harder call at this point.
“You silenced opposing views and can return to your little protected enclave of like minded asshats.”
That’s rich. Mr. Berkeley grad student accusing this place as being an ideological enclave. You spend every waking moment, as a Berkeley resident, in a constant circle jerk of like minded ideological ideas. The reason why people give you a hard time is because you can’t drop the academia act. Things out in the real world are complicated and can’t be solved by a position paper. And your “I’m smarter than the rest of you rubes” act has grown old. Throw your hissy fit all you want, you pompous prick.
^^^^Mic drop^^^^
Yeah, I’ll echo Nicki and Fastjack. I’ve disagreed with members here as well as two of the admins and not suffered any repercussions from it.
I admit I’m not a fan of the name calling but I think the solution there is to remember the old aphorism that goes: Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.
Wow, youse guys are so mean to Lars! All the micro-aggression and trigger words are overwhelming. I think I even caught Ex-PH2 doing a little man-spreading.
You’re all just a bunch of bullies and Blue Meanies!
Kith, kith! <3 <3 <3
He’s worse than Gollum, isn’t he?
Hondo, I think you left out one important item in the reference to Pakistan.
Pakistan and India both have nukes. I don’t think they are leftovers from the days before the split, which was 1947. That was when the Viceroy returned control of India to India. They’ve had the nukes for a long time, may have been since the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965.
But what better way for extremists to get their hands on nuclear missiles, than to destabilize Pakistan?
India exploded it’s first nuclear device in 1974. It’s unclear when their nuclear program started, but 1965 (or earlier) could well be about right.
Pakistan’s nuclear program is believed to have begun in 1972. It detonated its first device in 1998.
The possibility of a Pakistani nuclear device falling into the hands of extremists is indeed disturbing. Ditto the possibility of the theft or sale of one from Russia’s stockpile, though I’d guess the latter to be quite unlikely.
Extremists getting a missile is not IMO a real concern, other than as a propaganda victory, unless they take over a nation to go with it. Missiles require beaucoup infrastructure and resources to support reliable operations, and they don’t generally last all that long without proper care and maintenance.
Sticking one on a container ship and sailing it into Long Beach or NY harbors, otoh, scares the crap out of me.
I have always thought that SFO Bay would be a wicked place for that kind of thing. I think the tidal wave it might create would be immense due in part to the surrounding terrain… immense enough…
http://www.usps.org/localusps/redwood/traffic.htm
Look at it from not just a killing perspective but from an economic one as well, hence my using Long Beach and NY/NJ as examples.
Set off even a small nuke in either place, and while the loss of life wouldn’t be as severe as it would had the weapon made it past Customs and gotten ashore, the cost of shutting down one or two of the busiest US ports is enormous.
Do that for an extended period of time, and you’ve got some REAL problems, enough to throw the economy into a tailspin for the rest of this decade, if not longer.
Or Norfolk. Or, trucking one across the border in a container and parking it in Dallas, Atlanta, or anywhere else.
You know what could really send things south? Tell everyone you have it, and mention, say, 3 or 4 cities where you might have put it. The uncertainty would be terrible.
That scenario reminds me of the Royal Navy’s challenge during WW2. The German Navy wasn’t big or powerful enough to threaten the RN, but it was strong enough that Britain had to keep a significant force home based just in case they ever tried a break-out. Kind of a win-win for the German Navy.
Say they announce it’s in San Diego. Can you imagine the chaos caused by trying to find the damned thing? It would probably disrupt most shipping in and out of the port. And -just to screw with us- they place detectable fakes to keep the adrenaline going. The MSM would go librarian-poo.
I just hope they aren’t that smart. Alas, hope is not a strategy.
It could be more than a propaganda victory. Extremists don’t need to blow up a nuke to make an impression or have a victory.
They could seize the nukes and sell the parts to the Norks and Iran. That was actually the point of a so-so movie titled ‘Broken Arrow’.
I often wonder why people who say they’re “done with” a given website, Facebook page, comment section etc, always feel the need to stage some sort of dramatic fucking departure with long, drawn out diatribes aimed at those that have, supposedly, forced them to make this monumental decision rather than just delete their account, stop posting and get on with their lives. If, as most of these drama queens claim, the folks they are ideologically opposed to are so obstinate as to make it impossible to win them over to your side then why the “grand finale?” Why not just go on with your life?
I think you answered your own question when you used the term “drama queen” above.
It’s Lars’ job interview for the DRG.
😀 😀 😀
DING, DING, DING!!! We have a winner!!!
As an old CO I served with said, “There are Weiners and there are Losers”. Lars is one of them there WEINERS!
I always thought he was a “WEENIE”, not a “Wiener”! 😀
How many attention whores have shown up here, protesting that they are right and everyone else is wrong?
There’s been a few of them, that’s for sure! I’m sure we’ll have another chew toy come along, it’s only a matter of time! 😀
“Obama has been much more hardline and effective in the fight against Islamic extremists and terrorists than any president in history, including Reagan.”
Well, I might almost have to concede this one, if only for the fact that Saint Ronald didn’t fight against any Islamic extremists and terrorists.
But then again I could be wrong. What do I know, pitted against the mighty intellect of Commissar.
I’d say Reagan did in fact do more positive. Just look at Libya in 1986.
There was also that little matter of maintaining freedom of navigation in the Persian Gulf between, oh, 1981 and 1988 or so. As well as a few other “incidents at sea”, if I recall correctly.
“They counted on America to be passive. They counted wrong.”
I think if St.Ronald Reagan had stayed in Hollywood with the rest of his winenos, we would have better off, same as Harry Truman when he stopped Gen. Mac from crossing the DMZ. Don’t try to tell me any different, I went in right from the start of the Korean war, Sept, 15th 1950, guess a few of you smart ass now baby boomers we not born yet, and much if not all you know now came from your history books that you never took time to read, and as for Obama, well I think he’s done his job about as best as could be expected,and yes, if he ran again for the office to another term as our President I’d give him my vote, again, this is still a free country, but you’d never know it by the way some of you act, this blog sure shows it. You can like what I just said, one way or the other I care less, now grow up and get a life.
Where te tall corn grows
So just because we weren’t alive in 1950, we can’t disagree with you?
Well, thanks for that info. And FWIW, Truman was right to fire MacArthur. The military takes its orders from civilian authority; i.e., the President, and not the other way around. And do you really think getting the Chinese fully involved as opposed to the limited action they took would have ended well?
Finally, Obama has done as well as he could? Stop. Hurt. Sides. Laughing. I’d love for you to explain how his policies have made the world more secure. Quite the opposite has been shown, in fact. As a voter and citizen who is still going to have to deal with the aftermath of this administration for far longer than you, I am quite relieved Obama isn’t running again.
But you tell yourself that Obama has done a good job. And I also have this really cool bridge for sale, too.
Truman was indeed correct to relieve MacArthur of his command. Civilian control of the military is one of the cornerstones of our strength.
Even MacArthur admitted that, in his own way, when he said of Truman, “The son-of-a-bitch had the guts to fire me, and I like him.”
Way to insert yourself into a conversation with ‘facts’ that bear no relevance to the conversation.
Well, Sam, you’ll be happy to know that I read your comment to my dad who also was in Korea and his response was “He’s a fucking idiot.”
So there ya go. Someone from your own generation disagrees with you and so do all of us who learned it from history books.
I find this hilarious to imagine. You ran to your dad because an 80+ year old Korean war veteran said something you did not like.
And you announced to the entire board that you were “done” with us and yet here you are still running your suckhole. I find that even more hilarious.
Laugh it up. Maybe you can save this page so you can come back and act like an asshat whenever you find you miss me.
Dude, I never announced to the world I was done with TAH and then proceeded to spend the next 8 hours being not done with it. You’re embarrassing yourself, assuming you have the self awareness to feel embarrassment. I continue to laugh at you. Thanks for the entertainment drama queen.
9 hours. You still can’t get your facts straight.
Ok- 9 hours ago you said you were done posting here, and yet you keep posting….. are you the guy who gave Obama the “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan- period.” line?
Lol, well Sir, you have got me there, I underestimated your doneness. Seriously though Bro, if you’re gonna announce to the world that you’re done with a particular website you got a hell of an odd way of going about it.
So your argument is that you are in fact a liar and a drama queen like we’ve all been saying? Like I said, fucknuts, you make it too easy.
When you’re gone, you’ll be about as missed as a raging case of the gonk.
How can we miss you when you won’t go away?
No, Lars, he did so because Sam whipped out a version of the chickenhawk card, cracking on those who hadn’t “been there.” Instinct’s dad was there, hence “qualified.”
Wipe the tears away, kid; maybe your reading comprehension will go up.
I doubt it will. Lars has a special vision impairment that only allows him to see exactly what he wants no matter what the reality is.
Exactly, Casey. We give Sam leeway no one else receives here. His age and Korean War Veteran status mean that he has no peers at TAH. He does come up with a few doozies sometimes and his comment above is one of them. Instinct did the right thing and talked with a peer of Sam, Instinct’s Dad, whose response to Sam’s comment reflected what many of us thought but were too kind to say.
Dementia!!??
Don’t think so, OldSoldier54 – Sam’s opinionated, but generally quite lucid.
My guess would be what we called a yellow dog Democrat where I grew up. As I recall, they were quite common among folks in Sam’s age group (born 1920s or 1930s) when I was a youngster.
I’m not proud of having contributed to L. Taylor leaving the discussion. He is a veteran. I am not.
However, I am comfortable that my actions were not intended, by me, to be mean spirited.
It seemed to me that L. Taylor liked to come into a discussion, make “universal truth” unsubstantiated statements, and then leave the discussion rather than defend his didactic premise. Essentially, it was like: “I’m right, you’re wrong, gotta go.”
Lars had several options today, one was to understand the concept of logical consistency, one was to double down on teh stupid, and (as always) one was to play the victim.
Hondo has a lot more patience than I do. A lot. I was really hoping that Lars would “get it” and maybe extricate himself from the trap that he had built himself using some humility and humor. Sadly, this was not to be. I think of logic as a survival skill. As such, I wish L. Taylor the best of luck in his endeavors because I think he will need it. And I remain grateful that you veteran guys and gals tolerate my presence here. I have learned a lot from you, even from those I have disagreed with (L. Taylor included).
One final thought to L. Taylor, if you came here looking for brotherhood… I think it is a 2 way street.
Some of you points are well taken.
“universal truth” – point taken. I do tend to make absolutist statements.
This is not a “victim” play. This is just someone who sees the bullshit as just too deep to continue to tread.
I accepted the constant ad hominems and personal attacks.
However, the shift to the tendency to post my name and associate my full first and last name with positions I do not hold was a troublesome warning sign. And the trolls doing it were using a common troll tactic: the power disparity of their anonymity vs my known identity.
When they posted my full name in the context of speculating that I would support a position as disgusting as a “right” to child rape it was way beyond reasonable. It was even on a blog post I had not yet participated in so it felt like a pointless, petty, and unnecessary attack on my character.
That kind of change in the nature of a community and their use of you identity would be a signal for any rational person to extricate themselves from an environment.
If posters were willing to go that far, how far would they be willing to go? Why should I continue to associate with a community I cannot trust to maintain at least some reasonable boundaries with respect to another person’s privacy, identity, and reputation?
There is was never a reason for other commenters to post my first and last name in their posts except to troll and disparage my character. Calling me “Lars” was fine. Using my initials would have been clear to everyone who frequents this board.
When I post I do not hide behind anonymity. I stand by what I believe and do not mind my name being publicly associated with that belief.
The Internet was invented for people to hide behind screen names and run their mouths. Take a little comfort in knowing that the majority of them wouldn’t have the integrity to say most of what they type to your face. Hell a lot of them probably don’t even believe or really understand what they say. I mean not really, beyond sound bite depth anyway. That’s why you see a lot of “oh I was just joking” or petty grade school insults.
To be fair though, a lot of what you say L. Taylor seems to be over analyzed to the point that it’s hard to rationally counter. Maybe take smaller bites at the material at any given time.
Thanks, many lessons learned.
Some might stick.
Through your head, Lars? Doubtful.
Run their mouths? Sounds like something you do very well.
FWIW, anyone who knows me knows I’m not afraid to speak my mind, whether here or IRL, and back it up. So you can go ahead and jam that assertion up your fourth point of contact.
And as far as screen names go? Ask anyone who has had to deal with the DRG (or worse) why people have to remain anonymous.
But you keep trying to play the moral superiority card, and keep getting trumped by people who know of which they speak.
Nice to see that you’re still dealing with a guy who played the “GBCW” card, yet still remains. So much for the courage of one’s convictions.
Excuses are excuses are excuses. You either believe enough in what you say to put your name on it or you don’t. When the topics are things of consequence of course not what your favorite Star Trek episode is or if you are going to buy the new iPhone.
You aren’t afraid to speak your mind or stand by what you say? Prove it. What is your name good sir?
Also I don’t know what GBCW means. I’m not up on all the internet lingo kids use these days.
Nunya. Nunya fucking business.
Again, when you have people stalking you, you’ll understand why not using your real name is sometimes a better idea. Your logical fallacies are just getting silly at this point. Were you to run into me IRL, I’d have no problem saying to you in person what I say now. Therein lies the courage of my convictions. Those who know me know I don’t bullshit or hide, but hey, if that hurts your feelings that I don’t put my name, phone number, and turn-by-turn directions to my house on here, tough shit.
GBCW–Goodbye Cruel World. If you’re gonna leave, just leave. Trust me, people here would have a lot more respect for those who just quietly faded away than those who pull the drama queen act and announce their departure.
Bye Felica.
Uh huh. Stalkers…..sure.
I wouldn’t have asked what your name was if I thought for a second you had the nerve to post it. Stalkers though….that’s a dramatic excuse.
Go read some of the posts about Bernath, then get back to me about giving Silentium grief about stalkers.
I have. Concerning that particular person I say to a few people here: two wrongs do not make a right.
Tell ya what. Go through what Jonn and a number of others have gone through here at his hand, and then tell me how hot cock you are to expose your ass to the world, and all the crazy in it.
I don’t know the whole story and don’t have the time to catch up beyond the cursory. From what I’ve seen though I can safely say the dude seems like he is certifiable and that his victims(some), for lack of a better word, can’t help but instigate more problems. First time a dangerous dog bites you, you should learn not to go near it.
You don’t know the whole story, yet you feel like you know enough to comment about it.
Way to show your ass. Again.
My knowledge of the situation goes WAY beyond yours, sonny. You really should remain silent until you know what the fuck you’re talking about. Nobody poked the bear to the point he was justified in doing anything except act butthurt. But he stepped on his dick, had to pay a number of people here a sizeable sum of money, and is facing a whole slew of legal troubles for HIS pursuing this issue way past the point it should have been.
No, clong, his life of shit is entirely of HIS making. Had he simply ignored TAH, had he been a rational actor, nobody would have pursued him, stalked him, etc. Shit like Bernath pulls isn’t because someone pushed him too far, it’s not a “two to tango” type of issue. Just ask Jonn, TSO, et al, if you doubt me.
I don’t need to know all the drama to say that some here have continued to instigate issues. In fact it seems to be a common theme. This thread wouldn’t exist at all if that were not so.
Again, showing your ass.
You know why deer shit is like pellets, cow shit is a patty, and human shit is a log?
No?
Then why are you talking about Bernath and the DRG when you don’t know shit?
Once again, had you been sued, stalked, had your employer contacted in an attempt to get you fired, had your employer sued, as some here have had, then you might have a slightly different POV on the situation.
The fact you can’t even bring yourself to condemn their actions and instead try to play it off as a two-way issue shows just how fucking little you know about what’s going on. Silence in your case would not just be a good idea, it might be a REAL good fucking course of action.
None of that makes wronging him in return either right or a smart move. Let the courts and law hammer it out. Every time someone mentions him here or elsewhere you are shaking the tree. Don’t cry when something falls out. You can’t have it both ways.
Of course I’m not supporting what he did, from the little I know. He clearly needs help but he’s more of a sad case rather then some super villain. Why kick a wounded animal? Whatever happened to being the bigger person? That seems to be a favored position around here in everything but practice.
The Dutch Rudder Gang comes to mind…
Yes, stalkers. Should we give bernath YOUR name and PII, Clong?
We can do that if you like.
PII?
WOW, you ARE a dense little sphincter pickle.
My mind went to 3.14….
That is to say I know what it means but decided to give him a chance to not confirm otherwise his post reeks a little like a threat.
It is amazing how much of a little fuckstick Infidel is.
Here I thought most of his asshattery was directed at me.
No, the little shit is like one of those tiny yapping rat sized dogs.
Right? Are you mad at the bee for stinging you? Nah, it’s all they know. If he would just come out of the closet already most of that misdirected hate should disappear. It’s the 21st century after all, nothing wrong with being who you are.
Clong. Do you know how we all know that someone who IDs himself online is who he says he is? Think it over and get back to me on that.
I’m not sure I understand what you are asking.
In simple words – How do we know your name is C Long?
You could be lying.
Ah I see. So why bother is what you are saying?
Why bother with the whole discussion of anonymity… that’s what I don’t get. If posting anonymously makes one a coward, then Thomas Paine was a coward as was Benjamin Franklin.
The facts regarding my situation are: I have a business, I have a wife, I have kids. The way I see it is my duty is to protect them. I commented in the very first thread about Bernath and all I said was: “He’s a notary public. What part of that do you not get?” Subsequent to that one comment, I was on his list of people he was going to sue. Yeah… um, no. I have better things to do than participate in a Bernathian goat fuck. I post anonymously. If that makes me a coward, I am in good company.
That’s fine. You just have to admit you trade credibility for anonymity when you are too scared to use your real name, for whatever reason valid or not.
Discretion, valor, shit like that.
Burns your ass, doesn’t it?
Little valor in being a coward. No matter the reason.
Okay, fine. I’ll meet you in the parking lot. You have one hour to show up. Be there or be square.
My name is Gladiator.
Nice to meet ya! I’m Batman.
You know I’ve not posted on here much. Long time watcher though. I have figured out there are a wide variety of backgrounds and experience levels and levels of badassness for lack of a better word. I’m not, but Mr. Long you’re full of shite. Sir.
You are anonymous Clong. You say your name is Long. Okay, in the US alone that’s about a quarter of a million people we narrowed you down to. Then there’s the C, presumably your first initial. Okay, that narrows the field to less than 250,000 but how narrow I don’t know. Of course, we only know C. Long is your name b/c you say so. It could be that your last name is not Long at all. Or it could be that it is but C is not your first initial. As a practical matter, you are no more known to me than anyone here who uses a tag or a screen name. In fact, your choice of user names tells me less than other tags do. So, get off your high horse about not being anonymous, or provide your full legal name and your address. That way, anyone who wants to do so can verify your claim, lest you randomly pluck a C. Long from the White Pages.
You make fair points. I would counter with if the argument is that it’s hard to prove then why the anonymity at all? One is left thinking the reason is people have something to hide and it’s so grievous that they aren’t willing to take even the smallest risk of being identified.
That said every time I post here I use my real(see: only) email and make no effort to cover my IP. It’s not that hard to use that info to narrow things down.
Funny, but your IP address and email aren’t known to posters here, only Jonn and anyone he chooses to allow to admin the board.
So IOW, Cav’s comments are dead on. I have a relatively uncommon name, yet Google it and you’ll find literally hundreds, if not thousands, who share my name. So in a sense, I’m still pretty anonymous, even if you were so inclined as to determine which of those were in fact me.
Thus endeth the sermon, thus endeth the lesson.
I would say that some of the emails I received after the last time I took a few of you to school would suggest my email is not kept in the strictest confidence. Not that I mind.
Really? Care to divulge who is contacting you through here?
And you’re just POSITIVE that those nasty e-mails came from people who follow this blog.
Now you have to prove that.
Post the e-mail addresses of those nasty e-mails.
I’m pleased you deem my points fair ones. So, all of that means your full legal name and address are what? You see, you are confusing what Jonn sees with what what we see, not to mention that email addresses are a dime a dozen.
Hey wow. I use my real email. I don’t hide my IP. I post anonymously, you post anonymously. I’m a coward, you’re a coward. What a coincidence. Nice to meet you.
// Like I said, why discuss this bullshit at all? As to whether you find me credible… yeah, not one fuck given.
You give at least a little fudge since you spent the ATP to move your fingers in response…. 😉
Wait. Clong replied to GDC’s 9:08 post at 9:11. I guess you missed my 9:05 comment to you, Clong, so here it is again. Or just say you are unwilling to identify yourself and that you wish to remain anonymous.
“I’m pleased you deem my points fair ones. So, all of that means your full legal name and address are what? You see, you are confusing what Jonn sees with what what we see, not to mention that email addresses are a dime a dozen.”
Clong: Tick tock. Tick tock…Testing…Clyde Spartacus, 22 Appian Way, Rome, Italy. It only took me 4.6 seconds to type my name and address. Where are yours? If you are having trouble, check your driver’s license or phone bill.
Okay, I’m done. I will tolerate this “I am not anonymous” bullshit from Clong any longer. Well, actually, I never did tolerate it. But now, every comment he makes, I have a question to ask him. if Clong is indeed a “him.” Who knows?
IF I were female would that make my opinion any less worthy to be shared? Like L. Taylor I have earned the right to speak my mind. The powers that be could always just make this a members only sort of place. But then the drama might dry up….can’t have that.
So you say that you don’t hide your IP and you use your only email and your name is C. Long and this is all verifiable because you say so….dude I can be c. long use any email of my choice and claim its my only one but that doesn’t make it so.
Clyde Diddit, and to the people who know me, I AM JACK SHIT!
You don’t know me, Lars! 😀
I am Spartacus!
No, I am Sparticus.
I was Spartacus. I joined the Army, committed treason, was imprisoned, demanded a sex change and got it. changed gender. I am now Minerva.
I self identify as a lesbian, so I am going to get free medical treatment from Planned Parenthood 24/7/365. See you there.
I am Spartacus but I secretly dream of being Hondo
Actually, I would say it to his face and yours.
Uh huh. I’m sure you would.
Clong, you clanker, you should be careful what you wish for. You might get it. And when you do, you won’t like it.
I’m not worried. 😉
Well, you know who I am so…
I thought you were going away and never going to post here again. Nice to see your word is worth as little as Obama’s is.
The tone of his comment deserved a response.
Yours, however, did not. But you get one anyway.
We all know you’re not really going to leave anyways- people like you never do so long as they think they can get the attention they do desperately crave
HEY my glittery little creampuff of a sphincter pickle, YOU SAID you were gonna take your pretty little ball and go straight home to your Mommy, cantcha live up to your word?
“HEY my glittery little creampuff of a sphincter pickle,”
Oh, man I am so glad I wasn’t drinking anything when I read that.
You’re still showing yourself to be a drama queen who’s full of shit, Lars. How many times is this now? Four? Five? No wonder you like Obama. Your word carries as little weight as his!
He lied. Prima facie, right here.
Prima facie from a prima donna.
Yes, unfortunately.
I get that you are upset about folks using your real name. That horse has already left the barn. Maybe you can view it as a learning opportunity and move on, using different tactics in the future.
Might work on that humility and humor thing too… just sayin. Maybe tell a joke about bisexual hippie douchebags for example. It’s crazy enough, it might just work.
I see someone has conveniently forgotten that in his initial comments here, he himself used his full name – and only later went to a shorter variant of same as his nom de plume here. I also see that same someone has conveniently forgotten that no one forced him to post here using his actual name; that was his choice.
Hondo, I’d like to point out that he takes no responsibility for anything, including his mistakes. He blames everything on someone or something else, like a peculiar disorder or an invisible friend.
Hondo are you intentionally missing my point? I did not forget I used my full name. I referenced doing it several times on threads today and two emails to John.
There is a huge difference between my using my name to post my opinion and standing by it, and someone else using my full name to speculate that I support child rape.
First, I used my real name as an act of integrity when I started posting because my opinion was unpopular and I wanted to demonstrate that I was not some anonymous troll and I stood by my opinion.
Second, I switched when I was occasionally accused of using my real name because I was an “attention whore”. So I switched to the first initial last name format I saw a few other posters using.
Since most people continued to refer to me as “lars” or derivation of it L. Taylor was essentially no more anonymous anyway.
I have no issue with my real name being associated with my posts.
What irritated me is seeing my full name, first and last being used in by other people in their posts to not only degenerate me, but also frequently, attribute ridiculous positions that I did not hold. These were posts on threads I was not even in.
When a poster used my my first and last name to speculate that I support the a “right” to rape children it had gone far past the point of ridiculousness and crossed a line.
When I got pissed most on the board defended the fucksticks.
I wasn’t much enjoying this forum anyway, the trend of using my real name in their posts to attack my character even on threads I was not even in was a strong warning signal that the trolls were willing to push things to the point of being very personal.
Dude, for someone who’s “done” with this site, you sure keep saying a lot……
8 hours since your GBCW post and you’re still here?
Talk about lack of credibility.
L. Taylor, I disagree with a lot of what you say and feel that you bring some of the petty attacks on yourself by getting defensive. That said if you just up and leave, they win. If I get a vote I say stay, you have earned your right to speak your mind.
Guess what, he’s already lost by crying like a little bitch and telling everyone he was running away, but sticking around.
He is an attention whore. No more, no less.
Then again, birds of a feather, shit like that.
Personally, I’m suspecting a little bit of sockpuppeting going on here. Anyone got a direct line to Jonn? Got that gut instinct that says Clanker and Lars are the same guy.
“If I get a vote I say stay, you have earned your right to speak your mind.”
I’d just like to respectfully point out that you contradict yourself.
Earlier you posted “First time a dangerous dog bites you, you should learn not to go near it.”
//confused
Are you admitting this place is full of dangerous dogs that should be avoided? Lol didn’t think that one through did ya?
No I am not admitting that. Essentially in one case you are advising to avoid conflict. In another, you advise to stay the fight. If you don’t see the obvious contradiction in your folksy advice, okay.
Did I say stay or did I say stay and fight?
I can’t defend my position when you are making it for me.
Like I’ve already said I feel he has a right to speak his mind but that he also brings a lot of this on himself by getting defensive or letting some of you drag him down to your level.
“Stay THE fight”
does not mean
“stay AND fight”.
Here’s another newsflash… keeping your shoulder to the wheel requires neither a shoulder or a wheel.
I don’t see the distinction you are trying to make. I never advised him to stay and keep the drama going. Just to stay.
It might be confusing for you but not all of us feel the need to go to attack mode right off the bat.
Don’t expect anything approaching rationality, coherence, or consistency from these two clowns.
They just make up the rules, doesn’t mean they have to follow them.
Oh, on the contrary. I would say I follow the unwritten rules here just fine. It’s just majority of you here can’t take what you give. Dogpiling I think someone described it as which is apt. Everyone attacks, usually personally, those that disagree and then when said person has the audacity to defend themselves they are all of a sudden drama queens or attention whores…for doing the exact thing done towards them in the first place. Hmmm.
Look, I know its easy to let your emotions get the better of you, get caught up in the moment. I’m guilty of it myself, in fact I think I accused L. Taylor once of having Asperger’s which was wrong of me. But I try to enter each topic I comment in without any opinions about the other posters regardless of what I thought of them in other topics. It just so happens the majority of them waste no time affirming the opinions I made in previous topics.
Have you just not been paying attention? Guy comes in here like hot shit, makes all of these non-backed up assertions, and literally every time since I’ve been here, he’s made this dramatic exit from the thread like some kind of 12-year-old on Xbox Live who missed his Ritalin dose. It’s a vicious cycle, that one, so every single charge of being a prima donna shitstain are imo, well deserved.
Grow a skin, or don’t get pissy when it gets punctured.
Can we refer wittgenfeld to him?
Try this, Lars: NOBODY GIVES A SHIT.
All you have to do is stop posting.
You’re nothing but a snotty bully who found out he can’t have his own way.
Tough shit. This is the real world.
Pot….kettle….you know the rest.
Ex-PH2, I agree with C Long; a REAL MAN would post with their real name. So man up!
…After all, you’d only have something to gain. As it were. 😉
Yes, but I don’t want a date with him.
I love all this “A real man would…” bullshit.
For the record I never used those words.
Oh and to get an STI one would have to want to spend personal time with you, a problem I’m guessing that doesn’t arise for you often. Assuming you don’t abuse and share injecting drugs .
,,, nor do I want syphilis.
Yes I apologize I forgot it’s she. I meant no disrespect.
You all are like so totally mean. Like , omg can we just like go to the mall and get some fruit smoothies and cuddle up? This mean-beany stuff is so totally upsetting my vibe. Fur realz. Like gbcw, yah know?
Taylor: I understand why you’re upset. But IMO your outrage is misplaced and wholly baseless – if not deliberately manufactured or feigned.
From my perspective, what happened is that you made a foolish, illogical argument. Someone pointed that out to you by using your own argument to justify, hypothetically, a heinous crime.
Rather than accept the fact that your argument was flawed, you then went off the deep end with a display of unwarranted, manufactured outrage. Essentially, you threw a temper tantrum because someone pointed out to you that your argument was bogus – albeit perhaps rather tactlessly.
Temper tantrums generally don’t go over very well here.
Stay or go as you wish; Jonn hasn’t banned you, and that’s his call. But please spare us the manufactured, baseless outrage and drama. Just make a decision one way or the other, and execute.
It has now been three hours since Lars called us all poopyheads and stormed off.
Will he stick to his word? If he does, the AMF.
I’m betting not.
Prepare yourselves for the grand return in 3.2.1.
Oops, I owe an “n”. You know where it goes.
Looks like you won your bet, CLAW131.
It’s fascinating, isn’t it? It’s like watching a pizza fresh out of the wood-fired oven slide slowly off the counter and splat right on the floor.
Yep, total elapsed time from claim of departure to reappearance on the blog was 3 hours,45 minutes.
It was a wonderful time, almost like taking an in-country R&R to Eagle Beach for a little surfing and a couple of brews.
But it’s over now. Time to ruck up and get back to business.
I hate long goodbyes. Come. Go. Stay. Whatever. I do have a question, though. If the reason you are leaving is the reason you gave, why would one person’s foolishness be the basis for your leaving? Besides how did you reach the conclusion that whoever named you elsewhere and said something nasty is a regular here? In any event, if you go, happy trails.
In answer to the question: it was not one person’s foolishness.
So? Where I come from (and most other places, really), if you say you’re going to do something, YOU DO IT. You said you were “done” and weren’t coming back. You’ve said it multiple times these past months. So piss off already, you drama queen pussy!
He can’t help it.
In the words of Robin Williams, “Assholes always have to get in the last word.”
WHATEVER Larsie-poo the unicorn poop-smoking glitter-sniffer! Your word doesn’t mean JACK to me.
Wait, he left and I missed it??? Damn it!!!
Don’t worry it’ll happen again…it always happens again with this type of person.
He left, but he could not stay away. Like any addict, he has to return to get his fix.
OH, the RUSH when it hits his brain!!!!!
Ill take what happens when you eat all of the paint chips for $500, Alex.
Maybe someone should have told him he WASN’T supposed to eat the lead paint chips garnishing his Dutch rudder gang Cocktail and chase it down with bong water!
So what’s his beef – that he was quoted without proper attribution? His admission, or perhaps false claim (don’t care enough to actually determine which it might be), is no more interesting than anything else the liar has submitted here.
/returning to default position of not feeding trolls
It’s because he’s a mean old poopyhead.
If you were so concerned about your identity then speak with the admins. They are more than understanding as some followers of this blog have been known to impersonate regulars in an attempt to discredit them and bring legal action that is unwarranted. Look up the dutch rudder club…
No president has been flawless in dealing with terrorism or Islamism/Islamic fundamentalist states. Reagan with Iran/Contra, Bush 41 (IMO) should have kept going to Baghdad in 1991, Bush 43 seriously underestimated the Iraq insurgency before the 2007 surge, Clinton treating terrorism as a law enforcement versus national security issue, Carter, well, we could go on for hours about him.
But Obama is on a level all his own. Not only did he make this country as well as pretty much the entire ME less secure, he did so even with the benefit of hindsight, with the knowledge of the mistakes his predecessors made.
The result? America is a laughingstock. Enemies don’t fear us, allies don’t respect us, and if Putin’s actions the other day are any indication, this administration is pretty much his bitch. Carter’s mistakes have cost us dearly over the past four decades. I’m pretty sure Obama’s incompetence (yes, incompetence) if not outright malfeasance is going to haunt this nation and the leadership who have to clean up the warm runny shitpile he leaves behind in 16 months a whole lot longer.
Yes, it is, and not solely in the administrative or legislative areas. There is also the financial/fiscal part, which is rapidly leading the US toward junk bond status.
If Yellen does raise interest rates, the result will be a recession. She said a few weeks ago ‘no raise in rates’, but now hints at doing just that: raising interest rates.
If whoever is next in charge does not find a way to halt and clean up the mess that has been allowed to grow like Topsy, we will be in serious straits as far ahead as 2068. I don’t do financial forecasting so it is not my forecast.
Probably longer.
$200 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities tends to do that.
Bingo!
You people are just mean! There…. I said it.
Context matters. Lars complaining about this lot is akin to someone following the signs to a nude beach and then being offended by the nudity.
I see it as akin to the “refugees” in Germany bawling about Oktoberfest!
No one makes you go anywhere or look at anything or drink anything. You do that on your own.
The sign says ‘this Ain’t Hell”
The sign, she lies….
What makes this so oddly boring is that Lars and Clong follow exactly the same pattern as Wittgenfeld and Bernath and Cheeseblob McFisheater, Visconi, Cody the bunny sniffer, and so on ad nauseum.
The thread gets hijacked and twisted to focus full attention on the offending parties, in this case Lars and Clong. They could be fucking each other for all I know, but they seem to be joined at the hip.
The arguments have no merit and neither of them takes any responsibility for what THEY do. They get to play the victim card again and again and again, when in fact, they only needed to stop visiting.
They have to be the center of attention, period, hence the thread getting hijacked by either or both of them.
I could go on, but let’s just give a name to these two warthogs from Haltenstein.
There’s attention whore; drama queen; spoiled self-centered brat; shoulder-punching jerk (remember? from junior high school?). Those a just a few. But the symptoms of the bernathian psychic vampire are just bustin’ out all over with these two.
Actually, I think finding transgender lesbian porn online would be more interesting than either Lars or Clong.
I agree.
Actually, they probably watch it together in Mom’s basement. And probably bitch about it for not being real enough or some shit like that.
These clown really take the cake.
If the grass is green and he shy is blue, they would argue it to be different.
I wonder if their TA money was renewed?
Ah, loans! I’d forgotten about those. And there’s that part about delaying repayment.
There was a very interesting article about people who got student loans for undergrad work, delayed paying them back, but when they retired found that the Social Security Administration reduces their monthly SSRI by a specific amount each month as a means of recovering unpaid government student loans.
Now there’s something to look forward to! Glad I managed to score a scholarship and the GI Bill.
There’s porn online? Why didn’t anybody tell me!
I will also note that out of 168 comments right now, the majority of them are by or about Lars and Clong. And all either of those two attention whores had to do is let it go.
But…but…but…it’s all about THEM!
Just ask the little snowflakes.
…and they are both crashing bores. Must have been conjoined at birth.
You say that a lot you know? Let it go. If this board had a motto that may be it. It’s only after a lot of you start stuff and get personal with your attacks and then are smartly retaliated against does it shift to just let it go.
It’s a classic case of being able to give it but not take it. L. Taylor wasn’t the one who made a whole thread to discuss what he said in another.
Oh, do NOT throw that at me, clong. I don’t post threads here, except as a guest poster.
You’re just sticking around to get attention. Well, you got it. Have fun with it.
What a twit!!!! Almost as bad as bernath.
Please at least have the integrity to admit the general way of things around here. Person x says one thing, y disagrees then all the other x’s attack who and what they think y is…not what y says. Not everyone of course, there are some decent people here I wouldn’t mind debating with over a board game but for the most part the majority of responses here are homophobic, violent, ultra conservative nonsense that begs the question: do they even know what they are saying?
It’s obvious that clong likes picking fights.
I wonder if his typing skills will deteriorate to the level of wickreisms, crankedup on Red Bull and MD2020, swaddled in purple spandex, pounding that poor old keyboard until it cracks in half in the dark.
Funny that, since most of the comments are neither directed toward us nor are they direct replies to our posts.
Just a feeding frenzy of yapping shits commenting to each other about how much they dislike me or how much they dislike C.Long for being willing to even come close to taking my side on SOME points.
A few even even attacked an 80+ year old Korean war combat veteran for somewhat kinda agreeing with me.
It is fucking ridiculous.
This thread makes it loud and clear what a bunch of asshats many of the members of this board are.
And yet you keep coming back
I have no right to point out when someone is wrong if I’m not willing to point out when they are right.
I’m paraphrasing someone I’m sure…
The personal attacks are just the price we pay I guess.
What’s fucking ridiculous here is YOU, dumbass. My three-year-old niece acts more maturely than you. You come in all sanctimonious, tell us all what a bunch of bastards we are for not bowing to your “superior intellect,” cry foul when somebody punched holes in your argument, and bitch about how rude we are. You’re a fucking drama queen, attention whore, and all-purpose troll.
Plenty of regulars here offer contrary opinions on a regular basis. They generally don’t get dogpiled because they don’t go out of their way to be douchebags. You, however, consistently act like an asshole, and piss and moan when you get called on it.
And excuse the hell outta me if I don’t post my name, address and social security number. If you want to know who I am or anybody else is so badly, ask Jonn.
In conclusion, fuck off.
Because I’m not bashing him we are joined at the hip? Hahah ok.
Your responses are getting to be textbook now. Start drama then try to take the high moral ground like that sort of behavior is above you.
Again ask yourself why this topic exists at all if it wasn’t to continue the L. Taylor bashing. Any other excuse given is a lie.
But there’s no textbook on this, sheepbiter. Your only intention is to stir the pot to get angry replies so that you can play ‘VICTIM! VICTIM!’ and go sobbing on your way.
As I said, I only post occasionally as a guest poster. In addition to being predictable and therefore, boring as hell, you lose on that.
Maybe you should write it then? You have the static down to a science. I’ve seen you flip flop so much over various topics just to fit the general consensus that I’d be surprised you even know what you really think or if you have even had an original thought in years.
It’s so stereotypical, some of the things you say, that it smells a lot like over-compensating cover. But again I’m an admitted cynic.
Omigod! A snarky critic! Whoa!
An admitted cynic? That’s how you describe yourself?
No, you’re much more along the lines of an addict.
Admitted cynic among other things. Unlike some others here I have no problem recognizing and owning my faults.
Not sure what you mean by addict though.
How long before Lars is featured on Bernsaty’s abortion of a website?
Oh, geez! I wouldn’t even wish that on bodaprez!
Getting a primetime cut of Bermaggot dropping his load right in C. Long’s face as Lars works it in the background.
Felchers of a feather work it together.
Probably sixty-nining it.
Aaaah, the only reason either of them sticks around is the rush I mentioned. The addict’s craving for the fix, the drug rush from thinking that someone even acknowledges that he’s alive, even if only to take his cash or whatever in exchange for that ‘thing’ that fills the empty hole where his receptors have gone dead.
Same as bernath, wittgenfeld, peckerwood, visconi, that idiot bunny sniffer, Kirjath Toney – it’s all the same thing: ADDICTION TO BEING THE CENTER OF ATTENTION.
I’m no graduate of the S2 Shop, but what I don’t understand is why doesn’t any individual who doesn’t like the dynamics here, leave and start their own blog? An individual who now wishes to be anonymous brags about all the like minded veterans he knows. Cool! Start a blog, invite your like minded friends, post in your real names, illogically invent ad hoc human rights out the ying yang, invent statistics about how persecuted your BFF president is, spin yourselves into a global warming induced tizzy, and send a postcard in a year telling us how successful you have been. I just don’t understand the compulsion to drive a square peg into a round hole. I really don’t.
Freedom is hammered out on the anvil of discussion, dissent, and debate.
From a certain vice president…
Cool, but does it have to be one anvil?
If everyone sticks to their own anvil what is gained? Just a bunch of people sitting around slapping themselves on the back for being the greatest thing since sliced bread. That’s never turned out well throughout history.
Maybe the real question you should be asking is not why people have a need to seek out debate as a method of expanding their knowledge but why it bothers you so much that they do.
I am not bothered that they do. I am bothered when they use illogic, make up statistics, invent human rights, and don’t substantiate their asserted facts…. then whine about the dynamics of their chosen anvil.
Just because you disagree with said stats\logic\whatever doesn’t make them made up. I agree that some of what he says is…highly debatable and subject to looking at it the right way…but he doesn’t deserve all the personal attacks and just pure childish hate simply because what he is saying and the fact everyone disagrees. Attack the issues not the man even when they do the opposite.
Yeah, ’cause that’s worked so well for us in the past- I mean, it sure got Bernath and Wittgenfield to back off the crazy……
So one size response fits all? Come on, we are better than that.
Dude. Don’t lecture me on how to argue. Do you even know the exchanges I have had with (the guy who wants to be anonymous now)? Or are you just ASS-SUMING?
I have done nothing but attack his logic and his ideas. For example, he posted on this blog ad nauseum that Obama had 400% more death threats than any other modern president and based an entire argument that everyone in the discussion was a RACSIST from that one FACT. Yeah, I’m the guy that looked it up, and it wasn’t a fact at all. It was fantasy. Like SEA said above, you don’t know shit.
I’ve seen them. I’ve also seen you personally attempt to start things with him based on the most simple of comments. You seem to take his very presence here personally and frankly, it’s a little weird.
“and frankly, it’s a little weird.”
Is that you attacking the issues C. Long? I’m kinda mistaking it for pure childish hate. Or hypocrisy maybe.
You made your behavior the issue with your hypocrisy. I didn’t say you were weird but that you were acting weird concerning him. ie) based on things you have said towards him publicly not what I think of you personally as a person.
That is to say you are attacking L. Taylor and myself for behavior you and others here can’t seem to avoid. Again it’s just a case of being able to give it but not take it.
To be fair you aren’t the only one here who uses supposed past bad behavior as a reason to justify treating someone disrespectfully in the present. Lookkng for trouble and drama is a sure fire way of finding it.
You seem to find your fair share of trouble and drama. Damn, I forgot… supposed to attack the issues, not the man….
If you were capable following that advice you wouldn’t put your foot in your mouth so much. You think you are taking L. Taylor to task but really you are just showing your inability to stand toe to toe with him intelligently. He doesn’t even have to be right when that happens.
Example? You’re supposed to be attacking the issues.
And another thing C. Long. What’s this rule about “attack the issues not the man”. You need to exercise some of your own unsolicited advice. The other day you implicitly called someone an idiot because of their reference to global warming or lack thereof. I’m the guy that called you out on it. I don’t recall you making anything other than a half assed excuse Also, scroll up. I said “I’d just like to respectfully point out that you contradict yourself” from which you responded with something about “dragging him down to your level” and “It might be confusing for you but not all of us feel the need to go to attack mode right off the bat.”
So tell me how that is attacking the issues and not the man. Explain what is “my level” and provide some context about how I go into attack mode right off the bat. Go for it smart guy.
I didn’t call anyone an idiot. I made a grmmarical error in what I asked as I’m so prone of doing but I didn’t call anyone an idiot. Furthermore as I said above, I’m not perfect. I have failed to take my own advise at times like we all do. The differences between you and me is I can recognize that and I want strive to do better .
Re: down to level and attack mode
If you take strongly worded factual statements as insults that’s a failing on your part not mine. You can’t feel free to point out others supposedly character flaws then cry when someone does it to you.
Where did I point out someone’s character flaws C. Long?
“The differences between you and me is I can recognize that and I want strive to do better .”
Was that attacking the issues or attacking the man?
Again if you think factual statement about your behavior are attacks or insults, that’s a failing on your part not mine.
Your comments are so laden with judgement. Own it C. Long.
I’m attacking what you say and how you act towards others not who I think you are personally. There is a difference and I suspect you know that, just trying to save what’s left of your position by arguing petty semantics…..and poorly I may add.
please point out the grmmarical error in the post you made below. Also, please explain how it is attacking the issues and not the man.
“In all seriousness are you kidding about the climate thing or just being silly?”
I meant to ask him if he was being serious or kidding, I didn’t word it correctly and said as much in following posts. Please point out where I called him an idiot….
Look up the word “IMPLICITLY”
It’s still unclear to me how you were attacking the issues and not the man. Probably because you chose to ignore that part of the question.
Look up the term assuming. I think I’ve proven by my time here that I have no problem whatsoever saying what’s on my mind. I’d that’s what I meant, I would have said it.
I think you have proven a lot of things by your time here. Congrats.
We have something in common then.
Yeah, but eventually everyone who stirs the shit pot has to lick the spoon.
Hope you’re hungry.
You tell them C. Long!
Fight the power, stick it to man, power to the people, break the chains, the fat man walks alone, whatever.
Get a life, clown.
I am strangely reminded of a line I read (or heard) somewhere, but at this time of the morning I can’t recall from whence it came …
“If one person calls you an ass, that’s their opinion. If ten people call you an ass, get fitted for a saddle.”
“You aren’t afraid to speak your mind or stand by what you say? Prove it. What is your name good sir?” Clong 7:04 p.m. 30 Sept
“I wouldn’t have asked what your name was if I thought for a second you had the nerve to post it.” Clong 7: 39 p.m. 30 Sept
“You just have to admit you trade credibility for anonymity when you are too scared to use your real name….” Clong 8:38 p.m. 30 Sept
“Little valor in being a coward.” Clong 8:49 p.m. 30 Sept
So Clong pompously asserts that he is not anonymous and, of course, he is. What’s his first name? I don’t know. Is his last name actually Long? Don’t know that either but, if it is, there are roughly 250,000 people with the name Long is this country. Yet he claims he is not anonymous and regards as cowardly those of us who post under screen names. When asked directly for his fill name and address, he runs away, w/o the decency or spine to concede that he is, in fact, anonymous. So much for that. He set the bar but wants nothing to do with it. I imagine he has said to himself, “But if I truly remove my cloak of anonymity, one of these knuckleheads might do something nasty with it.” And that is proof positive he knows he is anonymous. Room + Paint + brush + Clong = Oops.
Exactly.
And you left out:
“I think I’ve proven by my time here that I have no problem whatsoever saying what’s on my mind.” C. Long Sep 30 11:59 PM
Therefore, one should be able to go here (link below), and witness C. Long attacking the issues while having no problem whatsoever saying what is on his mind.
http://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=61864&cpage=1#comment-2669843
The guy really takes a stand on the climate change issue. A real shame some people get mired in petty semantics.
Again, I was trying to ask a question that by my own admission in that topic I didn’t ask correctly. It was not intended to call him an idiot, a word you used not me. Hmm. Does not believing in global warming back him an idiot? Well it’s like not believing in gravity or that fire is hot but at least he had the nerve to say what’s on his mind, so no, not an idiot. I’ll say again I have no problem speaking my mind or telling someone what I think if asked, if my intentions were to insult him I would have with a vocabulary beyond the 2nd grade.
If the best you can come up with is comments that I made, that you have to twist and add words to…..well I think you see my point.
Nice try though, keep sticking with the petty. At least you are consistent.
If you attacked the issue of climate change on the thread from 9/16, I must have missed it. Clearly, instead of attacking the issue (your rule), you attacked the person by asking a question that implied the OP was silly. Then you dodged responsibility for it saying “That was a matter of fact question. Was he kidding or not? It’s hard to tell through text.” which is complete and utter bullshit… what some people might call petty semantics.
Your thoughts on climate change (your willingness to “speak your mind” notwithstanding) remained obscure. Only today do we find out that you apparently equate denying climate change to denying gravity (unsure if you are referring to the law or the theory) and/or the heat of fire.
In regards to “sticking with the petty” you are the one who has been making up standards (anonymity) and rules (attack issues not men). Standards and rules that you are quick to ignore, as evidenced in this thread and others as I have shown. Physician heal thyself.
Again, I didn’t imply anything. If the intention was to insult him I would have just came right out and did it. I can’t defend myself from actions I didn’t take anywhere but in your mind. I can keep repeating that but given that what you think I meant is the only leg you have to stand on, I doubt you will come around.
The very fact that you continue with that weakest of arguments is proof enough that not only am I right but you know it. 😉 There is no shame in admitting you have been taught something you know?
I had high hopes for you, you started out a strong opponent but then just fell down to the quality of the rest of them. Shame.
I’m not sure what my location has to do with my identity. I’m sorry I have a common name but it is my name. Was my dads too.
Anyway, I have posted my first name and my location a few times on this board. Unlike a few people here I have no problem with my using my real identity. No “stalkers” or other excuses. You seem to know how to work your copy and paste ability, go find it….
Well, C, I’ll ‘splain it for ya. Abbreviated version: it reduces ambiguity and potential for identification error.
Long version (pun is intentional): Commenters here don’t know you personally. With a group of roughly 250,000 US residents of both genders having the 1st initial “C” and the last name “Long”, it’s a pretty safe bet that all of them don’t live in the same place. Knowing an individual’s location therefore raises the chance that you will actually contact with the “C. Long” you’re trying to reach.
It’s kind of like those bottom 2 lines in the postal address – e.g., street address and town/state/zip – on an envelope being sent to a “J. Smith”. That info helps ensure the right “John Smith” gets the letter.
It’s not sufficient, actually – there could be both a “Joan Smith” and a “Jeremiah Smith” at that physical location. But it does help narrow down the possibility for getting in touch with the wrong individual through error.
Frankly, I’d have thought you’d be able to figure that part out for yourself without assistance. Glad I could be of help.
So if posting out names without address is still being anonymous, or not enough to track down said person, why the handles at all? Use your names, lend a little weight behind what you are saying rather then hiding. I know I know…stalkers!
Can’t have it both ways….unless its convenient to you that is right?
Furthermore, I’ll repeat that I have given my full name and location before on here. So there is that…
That was aimed at everyone in general, not specifically Hondo.
“I’m not sure what my location has to do with my identity.” Well, clong, in addition to what Hondo offered, there is another reason for full name and address: verification. If you ever do post your full name and address, I will mail a post card to you with a word or two on it. When you receive it, you can report that word or two right here. At that point, I will have reasonable assurance (but not certainty) that you are whoever you say you are. By the way, may I say that you are full of shit? You insist you are not anonymous but will not post your full name, let alone your location. I get it. That way, if someone who actually thinks they know you stumbles in here and sees some of your comments, you can say “Me? Hell no. What’s the name of the blog? Never heard of it. Not me. Heck, do you have any idea how many Longs there are? Nope. Not me. No siree bob!”
It’s wonderful, Clong, that the name you use is in the country’s top 15. (Smith and Jones a tad too incredible?) And it’s terrific that you use only a first initial. (I like the choice of C.) It’s also great that your location is unknown. Put that all together and we have ANONYMITY, a bald claim with nothing more. So keep talking ’round and ’round and ’round. What’s the expression? Right. Put up or shut up.
So now I’m at fault someone how for having a common name? Nothing I can do there I guess.
*somehow
You CAN do something USEFUL C. Long.
And this is right up your alley.
FIGHT THE POWER OF THE MAN!
Again, I have posted my full name and location here before. Multiple times in fact.
Might I suggest you start with baby steps. What’s your name? Yea that’s what I thought.
My name is none of your damn business, but my first name is fairly obvious
For common names, that might work to provide some degree of anonymity. Or it might not. It often surprises me how easy it can be to identify and locate someone from information they willingly post or otherwise provide on the Internet.
You seem to be hung up on “anonymity”, and claim you’re posting under your actual name. No one forced you to do that; that was your choice.
Doing so IMO accords you no special merit. From my perspective, given what you’ve seen here concerning certain tools and fools that have been exposed as frauds by Jonn it appears to me naive and overly trusting. However, you chose to do so – as was your right.
The converse is the concept called privacy. If I want you to know who I am, I will tell you; if necessary, I will provide a way for you to verify that claim to an agreed-on degree of mutual satisfaction. If I do not want you to know my identity, that is also my right.
I do not owe you (or anyone else) an explanation of why I choose not to broadcast my identity here – just as you owe no one an explanation as to why you chose to identify yourself. The fact that it was my choice should be sufficient explanation. If it’s not, tough.
You have no right to demand others conform to your druthers in this area. Doing so is invading their privacy. That information is theirs to share, at their option. You have no legitimate right to require them to share it, or to make it public, against their will. Short of a LE investigation or other legal proceeding, no one does.
Hondo, maybe we should just turn birdbath loose on her, just to make her life a living hell like he’s done with other people here.
” From my perspective, given what you’ve seen here concerning certain tools and fools that have been exposed as frauds by Jonn it appears to me naive and overly trusting. However, you chose to do so – as was your right. ”
…and I have nothing to hide in that regard. I’ll be the first to tell anyone that my military exploits were about as mundane and boring for lack of a better word as possible. There are girl scouts in LA that saw more “action” then I did. I don’t claim to be some real GI Joe while posting behind a tough guy handle like the name of my unit or my former rank\rating.
Furthermore, I mostly agree with you concerning identity. It’s not up to me or anyone to tell someone that their reasons for being afraid\scared\concerned aren’t just or valid. My whole argument is based on two facts: One that a person loses credibility when they choose to hide behind a screenname, for whatever reason valid or not. That’s just how it is. You have to at least admit it’s sort of funny that a lot of people here claim to be rough and tough combat vets but then cower by the threat of some two bit lawyer and what they might do etc.
Two: a person can both “sign their name” to what they say and stand by it while protecting their privacy. Tons of tv reporters do it every day. And yes I know some of them don’t use their real name but those reasons are more vanity then security minded. Bryce sounds a lot more professional then Vester….I guess.
Reporters choose to place their public by-line ahead of their privacy, in order to build name recognition for themselves and their work. In effect, they willingly surrender certain aspects of their privacy in exchange for public recognition. One could even argue that they make themselves limited purpose public figures by doing so.
At this point in time, I do not choose to do that. My reasons are my own, and I do not choose to share them. Keeping those reasons to myself is also my choice.
Regarding the “loss of credibility” argument: someone commenting anonymously only forfeits credibility based on background. Their written work forfeits no credibility in the eyes of unbiased readers, as it can be judged on content alone. In fact, the lack of stereotyping and/or prejudice based on assumptions concerning the individual’s background may allow a more honest evaluation of their work than is otherwise possible.
I’m quite willing to let my comments here speak for themselves. I see no need to provide more than bare-bones background information about myself in order for those comments to be judged by readers.
“Their written work forfeits no credibility in the eyes of unbiased readers, as it can be judged on content alone”
I strongly disagree. If I were to post that I enjoyed my last spacewalk using the handle NasaSpaceMan would you assume I was an astronaut as an unbiased reader? Or would you use common sense among other tools to help decide I was full of it? Now imagine I made the same comments but my IP was from a NASA server. Maybe you change your mind? Content alone is not enough to judge credibility. That’s when knowing a little about the person beyond what they say comes into play.
Just answer me this question. Of all of the people you would describe as regular\long time posters here, do you believe everything they say about themselves or have said about themselves? Concerning anything really, do you? Their military service. Their political views. Never once shaken your head or rolled your eyes after one of their stereotypical conservative responses or me too comments concerning this military thing or another?
To answer your last question: it depends on the individual. Most long-term commenters here have given me no reason to doubt their veracity. I thus accept what they say as true – though I do not know that to be a fact. Some regular commenters to me appear rather prone to what appear to be honest errors of fact. I thus take what they say with a grain of salt, but do not ascribe to them malice or evil intent. A few appear to have an agenda, or have established what I consider to be a pattern of mendacity. I analyze their comments carefully and decide whether to believe each of their comments on a case-by-case basis. And in a very few cases, if a particular commenter told me the sun had risen and it was noon local I’d still look out the window to double-check. Most of those are a-holes who’ve been nailed as valor thieves who “doubled-down on teh stoopid” by coming here and spouting more BS to defend themselves and/or continuing their original lies. A few have done that repeatedly enough to be considered at least “semi-regulars”. And before anyone asks: no, I will not “name names”. (smile) Now, to address your bit concerning screen names and “credibility”. The scenario you propose regarding “NasaSpaceMan” is not relevant. It’s also logically inconsistent and incomplete. First: a commenter’s IP address is not visible to virtually all who visit this site and comment. The situation you propose would thus have the same outcome in either case, because people reading the comment would never see that IP address. Those reading the comment in either case would thus be forced to judge the individual’s comment based on content (and, possibly, the content of other past comments by the individual), and make their own decision as to whether to regard that hypothetical commenter as “full of it” or not. Second: even had your hypothetical example been possible, the fact that a person is calling themselves “NasaSpaceMan” and is commenting from a NASA IP address per se still lends no credibility to the individual’s… Read more »
Reads a lot like rationalization and gullibility to me.
I see it’s time to take Father John Majeski‘s advice.
Out.
I’d be curious to find out if CLONG and Lars share an IP address…they sure write in, and are offended in similar fashions.
I’ve thought the same thing about almost every other person on here!
“Grr Obama bad, guns good!” Grr!”
Clong said – “Grr Obama bad, guns good!”
By Jove, I think he’s got it.