Easley High School student gets a parking ticket for flying a POW/MIA flag
Mary sends us a story that someone sent to her about a high school student who got a $10 parking ticket for flying an illegal flag on his car. That flag was the POW/MIA flag;
I am only 17 I don’t know everything but my dad raised me to know right from wrong and this is just a new level of low! They say we can only fly American, state, or school flag. But what I don’t understand is why I can fly an American flag but I can’t show my support for our troops. And this wasn’t the first day I’ve flew the flag I’ve been flying it for a week or two….
Easley High School in South Carolina, where this happened, was in the national news recently when they forbade American flags on students’ vehicles on school property. According to the local news, they have a policy now;
Below is the statement that school officials say was sent to parents:
“It has been the practice at EHS since the beginning of this school year to ask students to secure any flags or poles on vehicles before they came onto school property or left their cars. This was an effort to prevent the possible damage to personal property while on school grounds. On Thursday, August 27, a student requested that a staff member help in the removal of a zip tie. This has been incorrectly reported as a staff member damaging a flag. Several parents and students did ask about the reasoning and correctly pointed out that an American flag should be allowed to fly at any time. The procedure was changed to allow the American, State, and School flags. Students were notified on the same day.”
Last week, they made it clear that the Confederate flag is banned.
I’ve been trying to talk to Mr. Chris Long whose signature appears on the ticket, but voice mail messages thus far haven’t been returned.
Category: Dumbass Bullshit
Rules are rules though, if it’s not allowed it’s not allowed. They should meet in middle and waive the fee though since the flag wasn’t something offensive like the confederate flag.
I find this whole comment offensive, on several different levels.
I am cutting in here to post the contact e-mail info for school officials. Swamp them with e-mails. I am offering to pay the kid’s fine. What assholes.
Principal Culler: garyculler@pickens.k12.sc.us
Asst Principal Long: chrislong@pickens.k12.sc.us
The School District superintendent is Danny Merck; dannymerck@pickens.k12.sc.us
Assist Sup for Admin Roach: williamroach@pickens.k12.sc.us
Here are some of the board of trustees:
pickensgop@bellsouth.net
alexsaitta@pickens.k12.sc.us
bswords@tctc.edu
randjedwards@aol.com
hwsc1@yahoo.com
Club Manager, thanks for the email addresses. I passed it to my son, and I’ll pass it to every branch of our Military. If they allow students to wear T-Shirts for BANDS, TV SHOWS, QUOTES, SPORTS, THEN LET THEM FLY A FLAG THAT HONOR THOSE STILL NOT HOME..
rules are rules my ass! This is the United States of America, and if a kid wants to fly a pow sticker, the chicken shyt school should praise him….if I was in that town I would be contacting all the parents I could to call a blue flu strike, the bas-ards don’t get paid if there are no students, this is blatant communist BULLSHYT IMHO!!
CULLER just replied with “it’s to prevent damage to property”. Here’s some of my property. Eat shit ?
“If you love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”
― Samuel Adams
Well, if you do get to talk to Mr. Chris Long, please let him know – 0h, never mind. I think he’s a twit who hides behind his mommy’s skirts. But that’s a personal opinion. What do I know?
YOU KNOW A HELL OF A CRAPLOAD MORE THEN LONG, AND HE PROUDLY HIDES BEHIND MOMMY’S APRON..?????
The Confederate flag is offensive?
A lot of people feel it is. You can make a case for it being offensive compared to the POW flag that is.
If you look around, and not even that hard, you can always find something to offend your delicate sensibilities.
After the triple shooting/double murder of the news crew, I find the Rainbow flag immensely offensive. Can we ban it?
How about the flag of the Nation of Islam?
On public property? You bet we can and should. I’ve never seen either of your examples on a government building like I have the confederate flag. If I did I would be just as offended.
Then you’ve been living under a rock, huh? The rainbow flag has been flown extensively on federal properties from military to embassy properties for the last couple of years on orders of members of the executive branch. Gotta celebrate the decisions of Chicago Jesus.
Yea, I’ve never seen that before. I’m afraid I’m not up to date on the daily activities of the homosexual population as a group. That said, the flying of that flag offends me as well.
I’ve never minded folks flying their favorite flags. I’ve always found it an easy way to determine who I can turn my back on — and who I need to keep an eye on. 🙂
Clong,
If you recall, the DAY same-sex marriage was ruled constitutional by the Supreme Court, the White House (a Government building) was turned into an LBGT flag with pretty powerful lighting systems. (Though it took them how many days to put out to fly the flag at halfstaff for what happened in Tennessee?)
I don’t recall but that is both hilarious and equally as offensive. We don’t have cable so my main source of news are the local channels and around here that’s not something to get a lot of attention although I probably just missed it.
Yet, you have the internet. Hint:try the Drudge Report.
Bingo. Here’s an example of it being flown at a US Embassy.
http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/obama-flying-the-flag-for-gay-rights-worldwide-1.1890628
Apparently only some symbols considered “offensive” are proscribed. Others are “A-OK”.
Your idiot President put the rainbow on the goddamn white house, FFS. Is that not public enough for you?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/06/30/for-obama-rainbow-white-house-was-a-moment-worth-savoring/
He’s not just my president, he’s yours as well. Even if we didn’t vote for him.
Since many people did not vote for that moron in the Oval Office, most of us think we have a certain justification in disowning him. So, no, he is NOT MY president. He is the US president. That is all.
You might not want him to be your president but he is. His influence touches all of our lives daily. Good or bad.
No, his influence only touches my life when I see videos of him before breakfast and then I get nauseous.
You have an extremely inflated sense of your own importance, AND you’re functionally illiterate. See your English lesson and figure it out, you simpleton.
I know it must give you some personal satisfaction to act tough, and that’s ok but really all it shows is a lack of anything substantial to say. Kind of like when my kid curses just to make the adults laugh. I mean it gets a reaction but who really cares right?
Son, I think you just effed up.
Based on all of the other posts of his I have seen, I’m sure I earned myself a typical rambling post in their style. I’m guessing every curse word above a third grade level as well as a few petty threats. Not everyone is able to debate things without acting like a child like you can.
You see, the difference between YOU and ME is that you think you are the only person whose opinion is valid, and I disagree, WHICH IS MY RIGHT.
“Kind of like when my kid curses just to make the adults laugh.”
That’s so cute. Did you or his mother teach him that? And that laughter as positive reinforcement is excellent. How old is the little shaver?
Was just an example.
Actually, he has turned me into an alcoholic. I see him and I start drinking at breakfast
My opinion is just that, my opinion. Maybe right, maybe wrong in the grand scheme of things but it’s mine. I’m always willing to listen to and debate over the opinions of others, I’m just quick to write off people when the position they instantly take is one of disrespect and utter lack of intelligence as made evident by things such as the homosexual jokes and grammar police actions.
Oh, PLEASE!!!
You aptly described yourself. No one else on this thread is allowed to have an opinion but you and EVERYONE BUT YOU IS WRONG.
You are SO transparent.
Really, that didn’t get any grammar police response? That was funny! Maybe I should rethink my America’s Got Talent plans.
Anyway, nothing could be further from the truth. I get the impression that a lot of people here think I’m some lefty or contrarian and I suppose that’s partly my fault becuase I only feel the need to speak up when I disagree versus I would the other 75 percent of the stuff posted here that I agree with. That said I fail to see where I said or implied nobody could have their own opinion. I just merely disregarded yours based on your conduct in this and other topics. If there was a block\ignore key, I would have pushed it hard enough to break my finger 😉
C. Long, your diarrhea of the mouth is a side effect of you having SHIT FOR BRAINS, little boy!
Translation: I have nothing intelligent to say so I’ll just call you names.
Yea and I’m the little boy. Hahaha
Actually, C Long, I just think you’re a fucking jackass.
That’s ok, I still like you.
Gosh, and here I thought you would instantly write me off because the position I took was one of disrespect.
Guess you’re a liar too.
Acting like a child shows more disrespect for yourself then it does towards me. Surely you can use your big boy words and actually contribute something more then an insult? Or am I overestimating your intelligence?
Then get offended, the New York State Fair. https://www.veooz.com/news/bJby~zo.html
How about the Asheville, NC city hall? http://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/local/2014/10/10/asheville-activists-criticize-rainbow-flag-city-hall/17039543/
Well, under the rules stated in the article, all of those flags would be banned, too.
@ C. Long:
And a whole lot of people find all you idiots that live on your knees, sucking down and swallowing whatever spunk the leftards pump down their propaganda spigot to be extremely offensive.
C. Long
I find many things offensive. You do not have a right to not be offended.
The whole Confederate flag dust-up was the impetus for my sending in my child’s application to the Children of the Confederacy. Soon he’ll have his own little medal prominently displaying the Confederate flag.
My grandfathers all wore blue in that era, but the wife’s side is solidly grey. Screw them all.
Better yet, the POW/MIA flag is offensive?? tell someone to F.O.!!
NSFW or tender virgin ears….
So, before anyone *ELSE* says it, this is for you Mr Long and the staff at Easley High School and the administration and the board that makes up these rules.
Can I get an AMEN, brother !!!
OC
A-FUCKIN’ MEN!
This sounds like the cry of the Special Snowflake. The school has the right to restrict what is brought, worn, flown, or carried onto its property. The ticket is a bit much, it probably should have just been a warning, but if the school made their policy clear to the student before the incident, then that is that.
Ticket seems to suggest this was after a warning. I’m willing to bet this has more to do with the kid being defiant and less with him wanting to support vets\pows. We were all 17 once.
Hey C. Long the candyassed creamuff of a Smurf-hugging Sparkle pony, how it the POW/MIA flag “offensive” enough to be banned from your precious little snowflake institute, is it because you don’t want some hippie “offended” enough by it that they forget to take their monthly bath AND pick up their welfare check as well, you snot-nosed little gargoyle gonad-ogling lollipop-up-the-ass dildohead? I’M A VET myself as well as plenty of other TAH Regulars, I’ve done my time in the Middle East as well while snot-spined little liberal toadies like you spout your mush. Do you ahave any Military Service whatsoever in your past? And NO, your time in high school JROTC that you took to make your mommy proud of you doesn’t count.
If you would actually read my posts you’ll notice that I never said the flag is offensive. My agreement with the kids punishment has nothing to do with the flag itself, has everything to do with his disrespect of authority. Like someone else said here you can find offense in anything if you look hard enough but I haven’t given an opinion of the flag because nobody has asked.
So while I understand that calling me names makes you feel like a tough guy, it really doesn’t add anything to the conversation.
Oh and the JROTC at my high school was full of delinquents and burnouts, my mom wouldn’t let me join lol.
So; you joined the military after you turned 18?
Ummmm. . . I see that this statement (not the rule itself) says that the three flags are ALLOWED (gee, thanks for the “privilege”), but it says nothing about any/all other flags being BANNED or NOT ALLOWED on school (PUBLIC) property.
Sounds like just another Libtard twit too full of himself, and going for the “what isn’t mandatory, is forbidden”, and the Immutable Law of Unintended Consequences advanced degree in Life’s Schoolyard.
I’m guessing Mr. Long doesn’t realize that U.S. Public Law 101-355 designated the POW/MIA flag as an official National Flag representing our Nation’s resolve and commitment to bringing home our missing and captured military members. Or that the White House, all Defense facilities, all VA facilities, National Cemeteries, the State Department and US Post Offices are required to fly the flag on particular days throughout the year and typically fly it more often. Mr. Long needs to rethink his honor and patriotism and not be offended by the display of our officially recognized National Flags.
Kid’s don’t take the bus anymore?
Jim, that is so funny. 17 year old kids haven’t ridden the bus, in like what, the last 50 years?
Seeing a 17 year old get off the bus at school in the morning and not arriving at the parking lot in their own mommy/daddy supplied automobile is as rare as seeing a 17 year old without a smart phone jammed in their face.
I worked for a suburban school district for a few years after I retired from my regular job. The last year I was there, the senior parking lot had 7, yep, 7 brand new Ford Expeditions in the lot daily. Along with too many new pickups to count and 2 Benz’s.
They don’t ride the bus anymore, once they get that license.
Well, they all take the bus in my school district, so yes, they still do ride the yellow schoolbus.
Maybe the SPLC or the ACLU can get involved on behalf of the school.
They do not seem to be doing much these days in the way of helping folks.
If he’d wanted to fly a Mexican flag, or a Rainbow flag, or an ISIS flag, the ACLU and SPLC would be all over that school like a spider monkey to allow him to express himself.
I thank the Principle every chance I get at my daughters school. Everyday the flag is flown and below it is the POW/MIA.
A teacher at the school was born when months before her mom received the letter that her husband had been shot down over North Vietnam. Do this day he is still MIA.
I like the town I live in it’s the home to the Louisiana Maneuvers. The veteran community is very strong here.
Spencer
Spencer, when you see that teacher, please tell her my heart along with many others on her goes out to her and her MIA Husband.
That MIA flag was probably one of the best things to come out of that lousy war.
My prayers are also sent to her and him.
“The only thing harder than being a soldier is loving one…”
The young man might want to remind the school officials the POW/MIA flag IS an authorized flag of the United States per Public Law 101-355 which officially recognized it as such. Pres. Clinton also signed into law the 1998 Defense Authorization Act which requires it be flown aboard Military Installations.
The administrator’s name on the ticket is C. Long.
Comments being made here at TAH from C. Long.
Possible connection?
Just asking.
Nah not me, just a common name. I would have wrote the ticket though after a warning.
Jawohl, this is C Long´s grandfather speaking from Hell. As I told my little leibschen grandson many times when I herded untermensch to the camps, “Befehl ist Befehl, I always gave a warning before shooting.” Grandson, how do you like my old jackboots, they fit well, Jah?
FYI. I wrote my comment (below, regarding rules and Nazis) as you were posting yours, so I did not see it. Needless to say, I enjoyed your comment. Weren’t SS all volunteers?
Jah 2/17 Air Cav, as you can see, my descendant´s shaping up nicely to volunteer for the next camp commandant opening. I made sure to leave my Totenkopf badge with him before heading below. Should his Commissar Obamao order a neighbor list drawn up, why he already has 10 copies ready. He really finds freedom so UnVaterland.
even after seeing that the POW IS a US flag? Your logical skills are as impressive as your “I would have wrote” grammar. Which is to say…nonexistent.
It doesn’t matter if the flag is an US flag, what matters is that it wasn’t allowed on campus.
The kid clearly knew, by his own admission, that there were only certain flags allowed and then decided to ignore the rules(as evident by the ticket being a second violation and the fact he’s been doing it for weeks) I guarantee he agreed to when given the privilege of driving and parking on campus.
And I’m pretty sure wrote and written are both acceptable but maybe I’m wrong. I probably shouldn’t argue the point with someone that clearly has no other arrow in his debate quiver beyond petty grammar jabs. I believe making fun of my mother and the classic “I know you are but what am I?” come next. Hahahah
Your argument is, essentially, that rules must always be followed and that violating same in protest is wrong.
The logical conclusion of that being your position is that you would have supported legal segregation in the Jim Crow South – because at the time, it was the law. You would further have supported slam-dunking those who protested against same by trying to eat at public lunch counters or refused to ride in the back of the bus for violating existing law.
Last time I checked, civil disobedience is sometimes fully justified. Sometimes a law or policy is just, well, wrong. But if it’s never challenged, it also never gets changed.
It is justified when all other avenues have been exhausted. We need to be teaching our kids that it’s not ok to jump right to holding your breath and kicking the ground when they don’t agree with something. All that does is instantly kill all credibility in any argument you may have had. This kid knew it was wrong and did it anyway. He didn’t write a letter or speak to the school gov, he went right to doing exactly what he wasn’t allowed to do.
If it wasn’t even remotely vet related this would be a non-story. Say if he was flying the gay flag etc. I’m willing to bet a lot of you would be on the same side of this I am in that instance.
If the school district thought that displaying the rainbow flag could cause disruption or violence, they would have the right to ban its display on that basis per the SCOTUS decision in Tinker v. Des Moines. If not, no.
Absent a reasonable expectation of disruption; indecent speech; promotion of illegal drugs; or participation in a school-sponsored function, a blanket ban of this nature does not appear to be consistent with past SCOTUS decisions regarding student free speech. And please note: merely attending school does not appear to constitute “participation in a school-sponsored function”.
My position on this isn’t based on what I think of the rule itself or of the flag. It’s based simple on the kid disregarding the rules because he didn’t agree with them. Were he my kid he would have just lost his keys. I can almost guarantee you he had to agree to certain rules and regulations before being allowed to drive on campus. That was his time to speak up and if need be not agree.
Stories like these speak to a whole larger problem concerning vet topics in my opinion. A lot of people are afraid to speak their minds in fear they come down on the wrong side of public opinion.
For your information, CLong, the use of ‘have wrote’ is ungrammatical. Got that? I will provide you with the declension of to write, to wit:
I write
you write
he writes
we write
you write
they write With me so far? Good.
Past tense of write is ‘wrote’.
I wrote
you wrote
he wrote
we wrote
you wrote
they wrote
The past perfect tense (written) requires the use of a helping verb, e.g., have or has or had.
I have written
I had written
you have written
you had written
he has written
he had written
we have written
we had written
you have written
you had written
they have written
they had written
That’s your basic English grammar lesson for today. Study hard. Pop quiz is on Friday. Be there or be utterly and incorrigibly functionally illiterate and intentionally stooooopid.
And while you’re sorting that out, your argument does not hold water.
That is all.
Uh-Oh, it looks like the Eastern Time Zone equivalent of Commissar has roused one of the TAH Lionesses.
Way to go, C. Long.
She may not have a mane, but she sure as hell does have claws.
Yawn.
Yawn?
That’s the best you can do, schlong?
LAME!!!!
The whole point of that reply is based off a supposed grammatical error I maid.Wouldn’t be the first one I’ve made and won’t be the last.Perhaps English is not my original language, perhaps I just didn’t pay enough attention in school. Now I could either A. Respond and be petty right back but then that makes me as childish as you. Maybe even go over all of your posts here and point out your typos or B. Shrug it off for what it is, mere immature ramblings of someone who has no leg to stand on topically.
Typos are one thing, clong, you imbecile. You cannot use the excuse of NOT MY NATIVE TONGUE as a support for your silly and ineffectual rebuttal.
I make typos all the time, as does everyone else here. Typos are just typographpical errors.
HOWEVER, when YOU were corrected by someone else – NOT ME – you tried to defend your functional illiteracy, and now you want us to believe it is not your native language? Try harder. I have known and worked with many, many immigrants whose grasp of standard English was 10 times better than yours.
You provide weak rebuttals, weak arguments and pretentious defenses.
Get over yourself, sport.
Maybe you should go back and read what I posted. I said I believed both were correct but maybe I’m wrong, that seems pretty amicable to me concerning the error. I think you just want an argument so bad you are willing to play both sides to make it happen.
A supposed grammatical error? Here’s the link to your comment WITH the error.
http://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=61701&cpage=1#comment-2650866
This is the link to someone else’s comment (not mine) specifying both your error and your lack of logic.
http://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=61701&cpage=1#comment-2650905
You don’t even have the common decency to admit that you might be wrong about something, whether it’s your bad grammar or your vapid opinion. This is your response to CLAW131: http://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=61701&cpage=1#comment-2651033
And you call me ‘childish’? Isn’t that kind of the big, fat pot calling the kettle black, dummer scheisse?
….you are just messing with me right? I mean I clearly typed the words I may be wrong yet I “don’t have the decency to admit I may be wrong” hahaha Oh and one grammatical error makes me “illiterate” .I’m being messed with right? Nobody can be that selective with their reading ability on purpose. You are drawing conclusion about me based on select portions and sometimes even just a few words of a single post. I mean I can do the same thing to you, do a little armchair psychoanalysis based solely on select things you have said, snippets of posts, general feelings I get based on how I choose to understand what you say rather then letting you do your own talking. Here let me try and tell me if I’m close.
I’m thinking your military service was the capstone on a life that peaked way too soon. I’m guessing you flex your e-muscles online because in reality you don’t have enough fortitude to send back an incorrect meal in restaurant. Your disappointment of a life has left you with a large chip on your shoulder and the only way you can feel decent enough about yourself to sleep at night is to get online and act like the tough kid in class. So you show up and use words and insults any grade school kid knows; talking a lot but really saying nothing at all. When confrontation your weapons are selective reading and ignorance; going so far as to argue with yourself and completely ignore contrary information when others won’t stoop to your level. How’s that? Am I close?
Oh, do let’s go over clong’s analysis of my stuff.
‘don’t have enough fortitude to send back an incorrect meal in restaurant’- Wrong. I have FAR more than once sent a meal back because the eggs were cooked hard, or the bacon was not crisp at all, or the strip steak was damned near raw and the fries were barely thawed, etc., etc., etc. I also told the waitress to tell the cook to get it right or I would go back there and show him HOW to cook.
Next: ‘disappointment of a life has left you with a large chip on your shoulder and the only way you can feel decent enough about yourself to sleep at night is to get online and act like the tough kid in class’
Hmm. Not even close. I have 3 books published and 4 more in the works. You don’t.
I’ve competed in show-jumping – that’s BIG fucking fences, on BIG horses. And I’ve WON a LOT. You haven’t.
I’ve competed in figure skating and ice dance and won. You haven’t.
I’ve participated in fine art gallery shows. You haven’t.
I have an online gallery of my bug, bird and blossom photographs. You don’t.
I had poetry published when I was 16. You haven’t.
Disappointing life? Hell, I’m retired. I do what I want to.
My brilliant military career? I made E-5 in barely 3 years. You didn’t.
Grade school insults? The kids in my 3rd grade class were better educated than you are. They had a better grasp of the English than you do and I’m quite sure that their math skills at the tender age of 8 outshone yours.
Like I said, you’ve got nothing and you’re not even close.
Giving me the CV, must have hit a nerve. Was that hard to type with the tears in you eyes?
Or should I list my “accomplishment” as well? I admit I don’t have a website, they just don’t give those away you know hahahahaha
Tears in my eyes? Oh, hardly. I’ve had a full and satisfying life. I’ve enjoyed every minute of it.
But you? When someone is as ego-driven as you are – you got nothing, and I don’t care what you think.
You really don’t know how to poke and bully people, amateur.
Geez, now you’re just plain boring.
Uh huh, I’m sure you have. You went from attacking me for no reason and picking apart everything I said to not caring what I think. The equivalent of taking your ball and going home.
Me thinks I’m better at it then you care to let on. But I wasn’t raised to spike the ball. 😉
Oh, but you WERE raised to spike the ball.
You’re far too EASY to bait.
Wow, I must really have hurt your feelings. Didn’t mean to sting that bad! You went from arguing everything I said, to not caring what I think, to now using the excuse you were just baiting me. What’s next? You could try the I’m drunk or my account was hacked routine.
Just admit you were beat and move on, no shame in being beat by a superior opponent.
Wow, I must really have hurt your feelings. Didn’t mean to sting that bad! You went from arguing everything I said, to not caring what I think, to now using the excuse you were just baiting me. What’s next? You could try the I’m drunk or my account was hacked routine.
Just admit you were beat and move on, no shame in being beat by a superior opponent.
I swear it’s like arguing with a woman.
1.Is never wrong.
2. Must have the last word.
How ya doing, Lars?
It couldn’t let go, could it, Mr. Bill?
Since I did NOT post my curriculum vitae, but rather just a few things that I do in my spare time, I must add the disclaimer that one of those items included was a complete fabrication.
Oh, yeah – I don’t have a website. Websites cost money. Putting something online merely requires a little bit of time and effort.
I note that you conveniently disregard the fact that the policy in question is contrary to previous SCOTUS decisions concerning what schools may – and may not – do to restrict student free speech.
In this case, it appears the school has inappropriately restricted this student’s right of free speech without good cause. If he/she were to accept it, they would have no recourse – and the invalid restriction would remain in place.
Yeah, the guy/gal knowingly violated school roles – that themselves violated SCOTUS decisions concerning his/her right to free speech. What’s the correct course of action? Stand on principle and demand one’s rights as specified by the SCOTUS? Or walk away and let one’s rights be unlawfully restricted by bureaucratic fiat?
I’m thinking this school might just be about to get an expensive lesson in what it can – and cannot – do regarding restricting students’ rights to symbolic speech.
If it’s in anyway unjust or illegal then let him take all available channels to reach a favorable conclusion. Let’s not slap him on the back for acting like the kid he is.
Did you even bother to Google “Tinker v. Des Moines” to see what the SCOTUS has determined is a permissible restriction on student free speech and what is not? Just curious.
No I didn’t because it’s irrelevant to my position. I’ve not given my opinion on the flag itself, nobody has asked. I’m in favor of the punishment(and the waiving of) he received simply because of how he went about things. There is a right way and a wrong way to stand your ground. Talk before you shoot. I would think that would be a trait we would want to foster in our all children.
Oh and more insults. Yawn. If you need more time to come up with something more substantial we can set up a point\counterpoint type schedule. That way you don’t have to fall back into your comfort zone of mindless noise.
How about this angle, clong. The kid consulted with his parents who told him to stand his ground on the issue. Bad parenting, you would likely say. Smart parenting, I would say. Why? Because now, with a fine, the kid has standing to make his case, first through the administrative appeal route and, second, if needed, through the courts.
I wouldn’t say that is bad parenting, more like misguided. Why any parent would tell their kid to get in trouble and get a mark on their record at such a crucial time in their lives is beyond me. Just seems needlessly confrontational when there are other easier avenues to explore first. How about just asking for a policy review\change? It’s a waste of energy to go straight to 100 MPH right off the bat. That again tells me this was probably more about the kid wanting to be ornery and less to do with how he feels about vets\pows. He saw his chance to make a statement and did it as loud as he could. If it were truly about wanting to show patriotism it would have made more favorable waves to protest rather then jump right to breaking the rules.
And just how is telling a teenager to stand up for what he believes in misguided parenting?
If that’s your standard, you don’t belong in a democratic republic like this one.
Telling your kid to get confrontational when other ways exists is misguided. That’s just setting the tone early for a life done the hard way. You catch more flies with honey. Fight first, talk later isn’t how we should be doing things in a “democratic republic”. It’s never worked for us in the past. Yes, there is a time to fight and stand your ground but only after all other means have been exhausted. To do otherwise makes you look like a hotheaded bully, one nobody will take seriously. 😉
How about if you try reading for comprehension, clong?
‘How about this angle, clong. The kid consulted with his parents who told him to stand his ground on the issue.’ That does not say that they told him to be confrontational, but you have already decided that it does.
Oh, yes – in regard to that ‘mindless noise’ thing you posted? You consistently show that you are unwilling to accept anyone else’s viewpoint, that yours is the ONLY valid opinion, and everyone else is ALL wrong.
That is not discussion or debate. It is dictating the terms of discourse, so that YOU, and ONLY YOU, get to win.
It is? Have I said that? Or are you just assuming that? Hmm. Others have gave completely different opinions, I didn’t do anything in response but counter. Notice how we just talked about the subject? Didn’t call each other names? Or go off on tangents about grammar in an effort to change the subject? It’s called being an adult. I disagree with them and they disagree with me, it’s as simple as that. I’m no more right or wrong then they are. That’s why they call it an opinion! You are just choosing to take my decision not to cower to you or your opinion as being unmovable.
People can debate and even argue without being rude, dirty and childish. Don’t worry, you’ll get there one day. Just takes time.
If you can’t see how parents telling their kid to go right to disobedience is confrontational when other avenues exist, well I’m not really sure how I can help you get there. I can think of one great example of righting this wrong off the top of my head. Just bring up the fact the school has JROTC program and there you go…
Standing up for beliefs is not automatically confrontational. You put a label on the student’s behavior. No one else did.
The student did not do anything but put a flag on his car. This is not confrontational behavior.
The difference between confrontational and nonconfrontational behaviors are A)Hippie protesters putting flowers in police rifle barrels to protest the Vietnam War
or B) Hippie protesters trying to break into the Pentagon to find the Selective Service files.
Since I saw both happen, I think know a helluva lot more about it than you do.
Openly defying a rule he admits he knew about isn’t confrontational? Could it be you don’t know what that word means?
Actually, under those circumstances the kid’s actions define a perfect example of civil disobedience.
Life includes dealing with confrontation and conflict. A parent does his/her child a disservice if they teach them to avoid confrontation at all costs. That’s particularly true when the kid is (a) in the right, and (b) making a stand on principle.
There’s an old adage, generally attributed to Edmund Burke: “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” Your position here leads me to believe that perhaps you don’t believe that statement. Most of us here do.
I agree there but knowing when to pick your battles is just as important.
The good man shouldn’t jump right to the extreme, that’s all I’m saying. In fact I would go so far as to say it’s their duty to avoid a direct confrontation at all cost. That’s making this seem more serious then it is of course but the point stands. Why do things the hard way when easier ways exist? First you understand the law, then you try to change the law using the system and then you defy it if necessary. It’s a waste of energy to jump right to the end especially in a life that is sure to give him more than enough opportunities to dig in when it really counts.
To paraphrase Hiram Mann:
No man survives when freedom fails.
Good men rot in filthy jails,
And those who cried ‘Appease, appease,’
Are hanged by those they sought to please.
I hope they have a brand-new rope for you, clong. But then, you’d probably bitch if it WAS brand new.
What happens if the kid tells the school to go screw and he doesn’t pay the ticket? Is C. Long legally authorized to write tickets, and issue and collect fines? Is there some form of due process?
If it’s anything like the college I went to, they won’t let you graduate with unpaid tickets.
I knew a guy whose transcripts were held back for bouncing a check at Subway. Poor student excuse I guess
C.Long, after reading some of your posts, I picture you as some 5’9″ 120 pound snotheaded admin type that got his head flushed down the toilet by Jocks every day he went to high school, and you think that petty shit like this actually makes up for it. You sound like the type of petty public servant that would look at a Vet like me and say that you don’t give Servicemen’s discounts to which I’d tell you “That’s OK by me, your wife, your Momma, and your Daughter DO!”
And after reading your post I get the mental image of a 300 pound potbellied balding man on his third or forth wife with even less real teeth. Probably drawing a check somewhere in public housing while crying the world doesn’t do enough for you since you “have done time in the Middle East”
I would wager we would both be wrong though.
*YAWN*, really? No, I’m far from that, you pencilnecked douchenozzle of a public toilet seat-sniffer!
Uh huh, and I’m far from your description. So all we did was waste time.
Yes, but he’s in high school, not college. And I hardly think that this kind of thing merits punishment of any kind.
“A check of the parking lot Friday showed 15 American flags, and two that didn’t fall in line with the new rule: a “Don’t Tread on Me” flag and a POW/MIA flag. [Easley Principal] Culler said he would address those cases individually.”
The school district had no policy regarding students displaying flags. The school had no policy either until the Confederate battle flag issue exploded. To guard against that flag flying, Culler took the sissy punk’s way out of a a potential problem and banned ALL flags. That was stupid but predictable. Educrats fear the lawsuit and everything for them is a potential liability issue. So, rather than ban a single flag, Culler banned all. See? No unequal treatment. As I said, that’s sissified, punkish bullshit and quite typical of these pencil necks. So, yeah, the kid was warned. You can be sure that POW/MIA flag seen on that Friday was his and that Cullen warned him. So f’n what? What are we, f’n UN or the USA? Good for the kid. Maybe all of the kids can lay on their horns leaving the school next week. Let the school try to prove which horn was blaring. And I hope that IF there is private property surrounding that school, that every owner flies both a POW/MIA flag and a Gadsden flag from now until the end of the school year.
Predictable, actually. Asking most bureaucrats – particularly those in academia or public education – to use good judgement and common sense is akin to asking a cat to show proficiency in calculus. All you’re likely to get is either a blank stare or a hiss followed by them leaving the area.
Especially if they have “tenure”.
0 tolerance is the easy way to go for someone with a spine of jello. Typical of administrative eunuchs.
Hey Clong. The Nazis had rules, too, and lots of them.
They even had laws. Some of them were even proposed in Nuremburg.
Yeah. The thing is that, once again, some petty educrat made another very bad decision and couched it in terms of ‘child or student safety.’ Culler could have said–should have said–that it is not reasonably foreseeable that the either the POW/MIA flag or the Gadsden flag will engender anger and hatred and prompt others (presumably fellow students) to attack the flag or the person displaying it. On the contrary, it IS reasonably foreseeable that a swastika or ISIS flag will engender violence; thus, they are banned. Freakin’ cowardly educrats. They are worthless.
Agreed. This appears to me to be an exercise of symbolic speech, and further seems to meet the requirements of Tinker v. Des Moines. It does not appear to trigger any of the recognized exceptions to Tinker that the SCOTUS noted in Bethel School District v. Fraser, Hazelwood School District v. Kuhlmeier, or Morse v. Frederick. There’s no good reason for a blanket ban, and I’d guess a damn good chance it would be found improper if taken to court.
Protect the students? Like this?
http://abc13.com/news/video-captures-student-brawl-at-cy-fair-isd-school/967729/
This seems to happen more and more. This kind of thing got kids kicked out of school when I was in high school.
C. Long made me think of Clong, which made me think of sChLong, which made me think that my mind is a terrible thing.
Right up there with you, 2/17 AirCav.
I may put the raccoon tail and red-wthie-blue crepe paper strips on my radio antenna this fall. School’s started already.
Isn’t the POW/MIA Flag approved for use on the same pole as The American Flag? That is, it’s an official flag of The USA?
ACLU???Calling ACLU??? Oh, they must be busy making sure tranny’s can use the girls locker room
They just got a local county clerk locked up today for refusing to issue marriage licenses to gay and straight couples. They have their hands full.
You sound like the type who would be eating their boogers while “defending” hippies’ “right to free expression” while they disrespect our Nation’s Flag while calling for the “reeducation” of someone like me when I burn a rainbow “foo-foo flag” after walking on it.
Yes and no! It is prescribed and there is code on its proper use in government at the federal level (I am most certain of that).
I do not believe it is an official flag like a National, State, County and or Local flag.
However, I could be wrong.
I am very rarely wrong, but in this case maybe!
Adopted by Congress (Public Law):
On August 10, 1990, the 101st Congress passed U.S. Public Law 101-355, recognizing the National League of Families POW/MIA Flag and designating it “as a symbol of our Nation’s concern and commitment to resolving as fully as possible the fates of Americans still prisoner, missing and unaccounted for in Southeast Asia. Thus ending the uncertainty for their families and the Nation.” Beyond Southeast Asia, it has been a symbol for POW/MIAs from all American Wars.
Here is a good government reference for all you policy and procedure geeks (like me):
http://www.gsa.gov/graphics/ogp/fmrbulletin2008-b6.pdf
I’ll get some shots of the US and POW/MIA flags on a government flagpole.
Thomas Robert Johnson AKA “Tom” the Super Marine standing up for himself.
Then Commissar AKA L. Taylor standing up for Chelsea Manning.
Then Rocky/Flounder/Jeffy-Poo Puritis standing up for himself.
Now we have Carlton G. Long AKA C. Long to chew on for a while.
I’m sensing a theme here.(Shithouse lawyers?) But I’m not literate enough to do any debating, so I’ll leave that to those who are better well versed than I.
Oh, I think you’re just fine at it, CLAW.
Well, Thank You Ma’am. I accept your platitudes and hope to one day make myself worthy of your comments once I grow up.
It should be noted that I am only the recipient of a standard 1960’s Indiana small town high school education (there were 26 kids in my class) and only know school, farming and basketball and not necessarily in that order. Hell, I never saw a building taller than two stories except as a picture in a book until I went into the service.
Yep, that’s me. Just another hick Hoosier from West Hog Flats.
Grow up? Well, if you do, and I found out about it…!
For what it’s worth I’ve seen the posts of Carlton G. Long here and there but I’m not him. I’m sure the powers that be here could confirm that with my IP address.
OK. I was wrong. My apologies.
That happens sometimes when you ass-u-me things are one way when in reality they are not.
No worries. We are all guilty of that at one time or another.
C. Long, or whomever you are. Time for the night crew to start howling. This entire post began with you presenting yourself as the C. Long who was pertinent to the conversation. Why else would you have used that moniker? Now this comes from one with only one full year of college, so don’t expect anything remarkable in print. NO degree, but a degree of sensibility you seem to be missing. Normally I avoid these in depth conversations as most are way over my head. Your posts are the sort I can deal with and argue on your level. The reason for the remarks about your lack of mastering simple English were a direct result of your inability to maintain lengthy conversations without exposing your lack of education. The name you began this post with was a deliberate attempt to deceive people into assuming you were the C. Long in question, which presumably would have required the minimum degree at least. Poorly written responses by you repeatedly made you look like a GED graduate. Naturally, people responded amused and perplexed how a person lacking the correct English could work for a school. None of this is news to you, the pseudo intellectual who attempted to mislead from the beginning. Now that we have exposed your wannabee status, let’s move on to more important responses. It is painfully obvious that you have little to do beyond jerking the chains of people who have served their country and remain true to those yet missing from wars. Apparently this has escaped your fragile mind and you prefer to continue to engage in conversation hiding behind a keyboard, solely bent on getting a raise with your narrow-minded opinion. One which appears to be that of an authoritarian, determined to see the ordinary person pay for their “crimes”. “Follow the law or deal with me” seems to be your mantra. Are you by any chance a mall cop? You nearly rant like someone just looking for a fight, as long as you can hide behind the email address. It is PAINFULLY obvious you never served… Read more »
Jarhead, it’s clear that clong is a chronic whiner who searches for people he thinks he can needle into exploding anger.
He’s cheap, repetitive, desperate for attention, very boring, and definitely someone who despises women.
You occasionally want to defend me? Damn! Merci beaucoup, m’sieur le chevalier.
I have been using the same handle here for months, just read around.
C. Long has loved us long time, Jarhead.
Some where along the line I missed his love for us. This fool has the pedigree of a serial poser.
BTW, you would not want me or anyone else to agree with you ALL the time. That would be potentially boring. You are to be congratulated for chopping this character up and making shark bait out of him. He asked, and you obliged. Well done!
Hardly. She got a taste of her own medicine, decided it was too bitter and then tried to change tactics at least 3 time. People like that are only ok if they are going up against people too timid to defend themselves. The very definition of a bully.
Who the hell is Clong talking about? Pinto Nag?
Is he that stupid that he thinks he gave PN a taste of some kind of medicine? How vain can you get?
I watched on the sidelines for a while. Clong really doesn’t like being corrected about anything. He thinks that he’s the only person here entitled to an opinion and everything he says and does is cast in stone and no one should even consider disagreeing with him. He doesn’t even bother to review references suggested to him that plainly dismantle his view, because then he might find out he’s wrong by a country mile. He has a distinct, dreadful need to be right all the time, even if he’s wrong – and he’s been wrong on a lot of things he’s posted, and a lot of comments he’s made, including the one he made about women.
On top of that, it appears he thinks he’s somehow conquered Ex-PH2, when in fact, his behavior is one-half step away from being an online stalker.
What was next, Clong? Were you going to offer some sort of punishment meted out to Ex-PH2 for DARING to point out your mistakes? And just what kind of punishment would that be? Hanging, perhaps? The rack? An oubliette?
Just what WERE you going to do? Shoot Ex-PH2 for standing up to you?
It must be just awful to run into someone who is bored silly by your febrile remarks, is a damn sight smarter than you are, and isn’t afraid of you.
You call Ex-PH2 a bully. You are describing yourself.
You’re exactly the kind of person who’d fall right into line behind Robespierre, Pol Pot, Hitler’s Gestapo, Stalin, Putin, etc. If the KGB were still around, you’d turn in your own neighbors just because you could.
Maybe you should read what was posted rather then jumping right to the defense of the clear instigator. I made no threat of violence: same can’t be said of her. But then again I’m sure “you” know that 😉
Online stalker? For not cowering to her moronic ramblings? Lol that’s priceless.
You’re a thin-skinned little booger-eating bedwetter, aren’t you?
Thin skinned? Nah. Opinionated? You betcha. Unwilling to back down from bullies? Sure. Bedwetter? Not since I was 24, 25.
At least you’re honest about SOMETHING.
Yes, I wondered what was running down his leg, too, API.
Haha. Got to laugh a little.
I told you what that twit would say, DT.
Ten Bears says C.Long has described himself.
It is of my personal opinion that whoever is signing these tickets is doing it to get a rise out of people.
Thank God it was not my beloved California that this unfortunate incident of terrible liberal political correctness has taken place, nope just the Confederate bastion of South Carolina. I can sleep easy tonight.
Bureaucratic idiocy is not limited to socialist states.
But last I checked, wearing an American flag shirt on Cinco de Mayo is still enough to get you sent packing in CA.
Methinks the last American departing Cali should turn off the lights and take down the flag as we finish the wall.
From scanning and perusing the verbal diarrhea of Mr sChLong, I can only surmise that he would have been an excellent Tory in service to His Majesty King George III, “uh, uh, uh, must obey the law, the law was passed by your betters, must obey it.”
That, or a knee-pad wearing servile page boy to Crybaby Boner and/or Mummified Mitch, “uh, uh, uh, now is not the time, maybe later, must do things the proper procedural way.”
To which all I can respond is this (in)famous quote from Samuel Adams (no, not the beer), “If you love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.
I’m sure that in Nazi germany he’d be one of the crowd happily goose-stepping and following that one-nutted Dictator with the funny mustache while patting himself on the back for “Being a good German”.
And he apparently thinks I’m Pinto Nag AND Delilah T, when we’re several hundred miles apart. If that isn’t unadulterated idiocy, what is it?
He’ll be over here next.
I never once said or implied that I thought anyone was Pinto Nag or anyone else was anyone else is anyone else yada yada. I clarified that I wasn’t Carlton but I’m pretty sure that’s the only comment I’ve made concerning identities.
😉
Oh, really? What is this? Is it a recipe for fudge brownies?
http://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=61701&cpage=1#comment-2652575
YOU posted THAT after a comment by Pinto Nag, NOT after a comment I made. And furthermore, I was answering someone else and not referring to anything you said, and definitely NOT addressing YOU.
I said you’d be over here, meddling in someone else’s comments, following me around like that vagrant jackass at the Lyric who hit me up for bus money and yelled bloody murder at me, followed me down the street screaming at me because I wouldn’t give the lazy fuck bus money. And when he tried to grab my purse, I punched him. Then someone called the cops. That pissed him off even more.
You are no better than he was, and you’re stalking me everywhere I go now. You can’t deny it, because it’s right here, in front of everybody. You are nothing but a cheap attention whore.
API is right: you’d line up right behind Goebbels and Himmler and goosestep your way right down to the Brandenburg Gate, shouting ‘Sieg heil’ with the crowd.
You don’t like being told that you’re wrong. Well, that’s tough bananas. You’re wrong, that’s the in-your-face truth, and no amount of stalking me or anyone else, or saying I’m a bully will change that.
Big smile! Big smile! Sieg heil! Sieg heil!
Scheisse! Was mache Ich hier mit diesen fiesen hirnlösen Fettsack!?!
First, I see the confusion concerning that post but I thought Jarhead was talking about you not Pinto. I wasn’t even aware Pinto was a she as well(if they are) But you may want to look again, I made that comment in response to Jarhead not Pinto, and I thought Jarhead(he, she?) was speaking about you not Pinto because, unless I missed them, I didn’t read any comments from Pinto aimed towards me. For the record: I have no negative opinion of Pinto, seems like a nice enough person. So I apologize for the confusion but I was talking about you not Pinto.
Second of all, I haven’t followed you anywhere. I’ve simply responded to your comments directed to me or about me. This is just a case of you being able to give it but not take it. Your very first posts towards me in this thread was one of insults and ignorance; I believe you called me illiterate. You didn’t give your opposite opinion or post facts to bolster yours, you simple called me petty names within two or three responses. Then you continued in your typical style with your rambling bullying mixed with grade school insults but when you saw I wasn’t scared or backing down you ran the gauntlet of pathetic excuses trying to walk yourself back and save some face ending with me “despising women”……where that one came from I’m not sure.
Everyone hear seems to hold you in high regard but I think it’s less to do with your actual contributions and more to do with the entertainment value of you going off on people. Only this time you picked someone who can defend themselves.
Out of concern: there are medications you can take to level out of your hormone levels in your twilight years. Try them, maybe you won’t be such a cunt all the time.
Too….many…typos!
You haven’t followed me anywhere?
What the hell do you think you’re doing now? Making s’mores? Are you REALLY that dense?
Er hat seine Nase in alles, einschließlich seiner Arschloch!
Am I missing something? Is this not the original thread about the kid and his ticket? Have I followed or commented to you in other threads? Although I’ve seen you around here a lot, as far as I can remember this thread is the only time you and have have spoken to each other directly. You speak, I respond. That’s the gist of how forums work.
I haven’t had much chance to post lately, but please everyone be clear… I am not the “C. Long” character.
We know.
Carlton, I pointed that out just to be fair.
Well…
It would appear that someone’s bit of pissing in someone’s coffee cup has turned out to be a RATHER BAD IDEA…
But…
That’s just my opinion…
Of all the things to do to demonstrate your lack of composure and knowledge, picking a fight with Ex-PH2 would be one of the best examples of that bad idea in my recent memory…
Thunderstixx, I’ve run into Capricorns that were less obsessed with being the center of attention. I said he’d be in that comment by B. Woodman. Even psulie-o the uncoolie-o was not nearly so predictable. And this is getting boring, too.
Mr. See Long, apparently you have been a bit Shortsighted in assuming the total of all your posts amount to anything a proven warrior would even wipe his/her a__ with. You are beyond any shadow of doubt the most narcissistic individual ever to have entered a conversational web site on which the members have rational meaningful discussions about things military mostly. You have no earthly idea what we discuss amongst our selves because you ramble incoherently, looking to provoke and finally crown yourself as the undefeated king. You are way in over your head on discussions you can not begin to understand. We don’t need or want you around; go play with cat turds in the sand box, where you belong. Mommy would protect you from any harm, so you don’t need your cat crap defensive equipment. Get into some group therapy where you can be the “MAN” (yea, right!)and force your simpleton opinions on other weak losers. That’s precisely where you belong, not here insulting others with your attempt at manipulating people with your overblown ego. Any single individual on this site has the back bone you only wish you had. It is obvious the way you attempt to provoke females that you would love to have been a military leader, able to pick and choose those you believe you can conquer. Give it up man/boy, even the women on this site have more intestinal fortitude than you. Over time, some others have provoked a few into posting their home phone number. Naw, forget it, we know YOU would never reveal yourself. Mommy would never like that now. Be a good boy and find some site where intellectuals like you can argue over anything and still sound believable when they strut their garbage claiming their superiority in conversations in the safety of your basement. Run along now man/boy, you have exhausted your opinions. Get your bottle warmed up and start sucking that thumb, sleep tight. Oh yes, have pleasant dreams where you always end up standing on top of the heap. Even if it is dung.
I don’t understand….you want my phone number? I’m flattered but also married. Sorry.