Wes Clark wants to segregate “radicalized” youths
Retired General Wesley Clark went on MSNBC earlier to remind us that we have have a history of “segregating” certain people, like the Japanese internment camps during World War II.
He called for a revival of internment camps to help combat Muslim extremism, saying, “If these people are radicalized and they don’t support the United States and they are disloyal to the United States as a matter of principle, fine. It’s their right and it’s our right and obligation to segregate them from the normal community for the duration of the conflict.”
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“We have got to identify the people who are most likely to be radicalized. We’ve got to cut this off at the beginning,” Clark said. “I do think on a national policy level we need to look at what self-radicalization means because we are at war with this group of terrorists.”
Yeah, well, that’s what we did at Guantanamo, only we separated the real criminals from the world. The good general didn’t seem to agree with that particular method of segregating real terrorists. But now Clark is advocating for throwing people in his camps for simply disagreeing with the government and culture. How illiberal of him.
Isn’t Clark a Clintonista? I’m sure he’s got a spot reserved in that administration.
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Ah, ol’ “Advocate Wesley”. He’s been pandering for political support since the 1960s.
No, “1960s” is not a misprint. Years ago, I worked with someone who’d gone to West Point at the same time Clark attended. The man was not particularly complimentary towards Clark, calling him a “known politician” even then. My distinct impression was that he’d trust Clark about as far as he could physically throw him.
Doesn’t surprise me, though. Most liberals are all for freedom and diversity – unless it’s inconvenient for their purposes. Don’t forget, FDR was the quintessential NE liberal from the 1920s/1930s. But not only did he order Japanese (along with a smaller number of Italian Americans) interred during World War II, he also refused to integrate the military.
LTG Marc Cisneros (apprehended Manuel Noriega) probably wanted to strangle Weasley Clark (who spoke fluent Russian – not Spanish like LTG Cisneros) for poaching the 4th star & Southern Command that Cisneros thought he was in line for. Allegedly, Clark appealed to his fellow Little Rock native & Rhodes Scholar Bubba Clinton to reconsider the SOUTHCOM nomination.
Gen. Clark probably needs to brush up on that document he swore to uphold and defend, from all enemies, foreign and domestic.
The spotlight must feel nice and warm to him. Look how he basks in it, as does my cat.
But in regard to his wanting to segregate the ‘radicals’, why don’t we just start with him, shrillary, and their ilk and their procreates?
Probably the dumbest 4 star to wear a uniform and hang with Marxists ever!!
Never liked the SOB, notwithstanding his years of service to our country.
Never liked the SOB, notwithstanding his years of service to our country.
Yeah! We all knew him as a “Fast Burner” with flames coming out his ass.
He was a colonel then — Chief of Operations Group (COG) at NTC when I was there; came back later as the CG. The former COG was the HIGHLY respected COL William Shackleford. Amongst other things, COL Clark changed the OPFOR’s ROE — against advice from the OPFOR commander and the Operations Group; said changes almost ensured the Blue Force would continually win. Previously, OPFOR would trounce the Blue Force about 95% of the time. After the new restrictions, OPFOR could no longer could go outside its boundaries, etc. Sure it sucks getting soundly defeated by OPFOR … but units who returned had increasingly better results due to lessons learned.
To say that everyone hated Clark … well, I can’t be positive since I didn’t know everybody at Irwin. But I sure know that nobody I knew respected him.
@rgr1480
Never liked the SOB, notwithstanding his years of service to our country.
I give. Edit “notwithstanding” to “fuck his years of service to our country.”
Failure is the best trainer. Which is why everyone “should” get trounced at CTCs. If you are winning, OPFOR is taking a break and just wait until tomorrow, you’ll be losing.
If you’re winning because the “bad guys” have rules to follow, then you’re more likely to lose when real bullets are coming at you.
What a dumbfuck.
Internment Camp seems a we bit harsh and does not flow off the tongue well, how about Concentration Camp …
Does that sound better?
This lib is a jack wad!
PS: What we need to do is kill and or capture all of them overseas first, this will make all “special Radical-Americans” think twice or at least give us the intel we need to flush them out here before they go full on retard.
It is more proof of something I have long believed, that beneath the surface of every single lib a monster, a tyrant is to be found. It’s why these little Brown Shirts talk in terms of ‘feeling’ this way or that and rarely, if ever thinking.
Scratch a lib and you’ll find a fascist.
I’m certain that to a snotnosed cotton candy-assed, lollipop-up-the-butt Smurf-hugging moonbat liberal like Wes Clark, “radicalized” means things like NRA Members, Vets that don’t follow the liberal agenda, Christians, Conservatives, and anyone else that doesn’t follow the “SIEG HEIL POLITICAL CORRECTNESS” movement. And yes, I’m sure that he’s doing all he can to kiss and muzzle up to DAS HILDEBEAST.
How exactly does Wussley Clark propose we screen who is “radical?” Who makes that determination? What kind of “radicals” are we talking about? Is this to be applied solely to moslems? Would he or others think of expanding the scope of this cute little project to cover others, like…oh, I dunno, maybe gun owners, or pro-life-activists, or people who don’t support gay marriage, or anybody his fascist mistress Hildebeast and her cronies might not like? Because we all know she has never, ever demonstrated a propensity for abuse of of power…
What about that document he swore to uphold and defend? You know, the one that guarantees Freedom of Religion, Speech, Association, and Peaceful Assembly, as well as protection from search and seizure without a warrant, detention without trial, that kind of thing? I know he’s retired, but wouldn’t such an action still legally constitute a violation of his oath as an officer, maybe even approaching treasonous territory?
Wussley Clark is cut from the same cloth as (master)Bateman. Fuck him.
I disagree. Clark is cut from the same cloth as any other dictator in history. As are most committed leftists, IMO – as well as some bona fide right-wing extremists (very few of those deemed “right wing extremists” by the media actually qualify, though).
To that crowd, dissent is fine – as long as it’s dissent with which they agree. If not – “time to round ’em up and ship ’em off to the camp”.
I say we start with rounding up THEM (libertards) and shipping THEM off to a camp. Even another planet would be better.
The more I see of these people and their ‘purge’ rhetoric, the more I think they are exactly what will scare sensible people away from them.
Muslim extremists. Muslim terrorists. The White House doesn’t like these terms. Oh, it’s fine with certain stereotypes and generalizations that are much less narrow than Muslim extremists or Muslim terrorists, though. So, too, is our national history. We fought the Japanese and the German in WW II, even though most Japanese and German civilians were propagandized and lied to for their support. And they paid a heavy price. But no one of sound mind is suggesting that we ought to war with all Muslims. After all, there are some, though mostly silent, who do not support the wanton slaughter of people in the name of Allah. Still, oBaMa and his lackeys cannot bring themselves to say the magic words. It’s as funny as it is pathetic. I really don’t much care at this point. He can lie to himself all he likes.
I am/was in a position to directly advise general officers and work with those who have directly advised general officers for years. To a person, I’ve never met one who worked with/for Clark who didn’t think that he was a total POS. Even Stormn’ Norman has a few fans among his former staffers, but mention Clark to anyone who has been in a room with him for more than a few minutes and you get the immediate eye roll and head shaking.
Bobo
Interesting comment and to tell you the truth, I am not all surprised. A nice addition to this post.
(chuckling) Doesn’t surprise me either, Bobo. The guy I worked with was quite level-headed and a “straight-shooter”, even if he phrased his opinion diplomatically. I’d have been shocked if he wasn’t spot-on in his assessment of Clark.
I wouldn’t trust the current bunch to kennel a dog.
Before the Russian Revolution, one of them (maybe Bakunin?) supposedly argued that once in power, there was real danger that they would be more oppressive and wage more police state powers than the Czars – and history has shown that to be true. The only thing more oppressive than a self-righteous fascist who denies it is a self-righteous left-winger who espouses his leftie crap while acting just like the fascist, whilst denying it every step of the way.
And if Cruz or Romney, Bush or Trump came out with this idea you all would still hate it? Now suddenly all the little radicalized brown kids can roam free because Clark came out with this statement?
Come on…
I would still hate it. We can’t start caging people arbitrarily and stay a free nation. If we really have serious heartburn with a particular ethnic group, then give them all a one-way ticket back to where they came from and tell them to stay there. But internment camps? No. We did that to the Japanese, and look at the historical black eye we ended up with as a nation over that. It was useless then, and it would be worse than useless now.
…I am not agreeing with Clark on this btw. Where would it end?
But what is the fix? We are scared of strong national security apparatus…police powers are getting too broad…3 letter agencies just aren’t performing at the level they are paid to operate at…
Personally, I say screen all of them at the border. If we ran our borders as other nation states do we would have a much better fix on those who come here from other, more scary places.
I would have agreed with your suggestion as the optimal reaction, if it had been implemented immediately after 9/11. Then it would have done some good. Now? I don’t know. I get the sense that the genii is out of the bottle, and there is no stuffing him back into it.
The fix is not to use a “meat-ax” (or, since Clark suggested it, perhaps that would be “meathead”) approach, but to use known effective measures short of same.
Using realistic profiling would be a good start – it’s not unlawful when it can be defended on statistical grounds, and Israel finds it quite effective in reducing their similar problems. Ditto the expanded use of FISA courts and related policies (including wiretaps and surveillance authorized by said courts). Plus, actually, you know, maybe ENFORCING IMMIGRATION AND VISA LAWS so that people who shouldn’t be here at all . . . aren’t generally here. If we’d done that, a number of the 9/11 terrorists wouldn’t have been in the US at all that day.
And if surveillance and/or profiling activities show any wrongdoing . . . hammer the miscreant. Hard. As in “max” – including stripping of naturalized citizenship and deportation, should the individual’s actions qualify as allowing that (unlike natural-born citizenship, there are specified criteria allowing the revocation of naturalized US citizenship).
What Clark is proposing is essentially imprisoning persons solely for their beliefs, with no evidence of wrongdoing – simply because some among that number might do something “bad”. Sorry, that’s bullsh!t. It’s no different than what the Soviets did in their Gulag: imprisoning people because their beliefs “weren’t correct”.
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Well said Hondo…I don’t always agree with your positions, but this one I am behind 100%.
I always thought that Clark was a dumb phuq – glad to know I wasn’t wrong.
I think he’s angling to be hildabeast’s VP.
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Interesting to note also that Clarks father was Jewish and his grandfather fled to the US in response to anti Semitic violence in Belarus. What is that saying about those who don’t learn from history?
Another democrats taking a dump on the US Constitution?
I’m shocked!
The best thing we could do is not take every foreign scumbag that shows up and wants in. That would help a lot.
Newsflash- politicians of all parties have shat on the Constitution.
General Who?
Jeezus… Clark is back in front of a camera, pontificating and postulating again? Hell, if he’s bucking for a position on Hill’s staff, why doesn’t he just get on his hands and knees and fellitate her “barbed c#$% of Satan”?
The man has no business in front of a camera or in any position of authority in government.
Put these three words in to the same sentence: Schillary, Clap, Clark.
Now tell me what that conjures up in your mind. The picture at the top was all I wanted to know.
He’ll get a pass from the “left” because he’s part of the “Clinton Acceptables”.
If I could ask him any question, it would be how many dicks did you suck to make it to 4-star from 2LT, Or did you lose count after 1000?