Americans stepping up for recruiters
Fox News reports that Army Chief of Staff Ray Odierno says that the Army has no plans to arm recruiters;
Gen. Ray Odierno, chief of staff of the Army, told reporters that arming troops in those offices could cause more problems than it might solve.
“I think we have to be careful about over-arming ourselves, and I’m not talking about where you end up attacking each other,” Odierno said during a morning breakfast. Instead, he said, it’s more about “accidental discharges and everything else that goes along with having weapons that are loaded that causes injuries.”
I’d remind folks that during the “green on blue” attacks against our soldiers, which claimed more than 50 lives, Odierno presided over the policy that forbade some soldiers from having a loaded weapon around the very people who were killing them – Afghans in a combat area. The odds that Odierno would consider arming the people for whom he is responsible is negligible.
The “accidental discharge” excuse is intellectually vacant. He’s just dancing for his bosses who are scared of armed Americans. It’s simply ridiculous to assume that armed soldiers will start playing with their loaded weapons until an accident occurs. I’m sure the soldiers currently under Odierno’s command are heartened by his confidence in them.
Meanwhile in Hiram, Georgia, Americans are filling the gap that Army leadership won’t fill;
“To think the people who are supposed to protect and serve us are unable to protect and serve… protect themselves,” said Tewellow. “So if us, the citizens, who carry permits, are able to help protect them that’s, that’s what we’re gonna be able to do.”
News Radio 106.7’s Nathalie Pozo was at the recruitment center on Friday morning and reported that about 30 people answered the call to arms.
“This is who is fighting for us,” said Tewellow. “This is who is giving us our freedom, who allows us to wake every day and if they’re not here, and is taken down just like the Chattanooga incident, then how can we say that we are going to be able to wake up tomorrow?”
There, does that make you feel better, Ray? Now, people trained to defend themselves and handle their weapons as part of their lifestyle are being protected by random folks off the street with about 8 hours of training.
The same thing happened in Virginia;
At 8 a.m. Friday morning, one man decided to spend his day off standing guard outside of a military recruitment center in Winchester, Virginia.
He is not worried about another attack like Chattanooga here. But he is making a statement.
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“I went into each office, the ones that were open, and I was received with handshakes and thank yous,” he said. “They constantly came by, and not only them, but their wives came by in tears thanking me for just being out here. They baked cookies for me and brought lunch by.”
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“The police already came by and checked me out, cleared my guns, doing their duty,” said the man. “It was all good.”
He says that he never served in the military, but that he felt a need to serve the recruiters.
Category: Big Army
There. All better now.
Hey-hold my beer and watch this!!
Put that chicken shyt chief of the army in the next base they suspect will be hit…let him shyt his pants waiting!!
This guy (can’t believe he’s a general officer) uses the term “accidental discharge”- there is no such thing. Can he mean “negligent discharge?”
Accidental Discharge: When one shits in one’s pants because of the fear of making a rational, non-politically correct decision.
He was probably thinking of premature discharge. It comes from not exercising his nuts often enough.
One could wish this would shame leadership into doing right by our soldiers, but as we know, they are all completely without shame (or cojones).
Shame leadership? Oh, you daydreamer!
^^^^^^ Love It^^^^^
He is one of obozo’s boys…brainwashed ass kisser!!
Obama had to purge a lot of senior officers to find one like this.
Why are they making a big deal about transgender folks serving in the military? Our general staff has been balless for years. Does our officer corps surrender their balls at O-7 or does it happen earlier in their careers? It give new meaning to the term ‘Strapping up”. What ever happened to the warrior ethos? Was it surgically removed, or did it atrophy from non-use?
Once they reach O-7, it becomes all about knee pads and politics. The ones that don’t are drummed out.
They don’t have to surrender their balls, they’ve been chemically castrated, it’s in their soy latte that their aide brings them every morning.
It blows my mind to think that on a Military base no one is armed. Or is it very few?
Reading about those “green on blue” attacks when they occurred, sounded to me that no one on bases even out of country is armed. Now I know (or think) the MP’s, guards at the gates and so on are but that’s it,right?
Guards at the gate are armed civilian rent a cops. Soldiers can’t be trusted with weapons and are too busy picking up cigarette butts to guard their own gates
You haven’t been to Fort Hood lately. About half the gates, including all of West Fort Hood, are staffed with Soldiers: https://www.dvidshub.net/news/153642/acp-class-prepares-69th-ada-soldiers-gate-safety#.VaqTt_lVhBc
no shit. good for half of hood. these days Ft. Belvoir is the only post I am regularly, but last time I was at Bragg he gates were all rent a cops.
Funny story. At the 52nd ASASOC at FT Huachuca, our secure compound had a single DOD rent a cop in the gatehouse. They were all old retired guys and were heavily armed with a .38 wheel gun. We used to joke with them to at least give OD a call before they unassed, if the Russians stormed the gate. I swear that the ammo on their pistol belts was green with corrosion. None of them would ever get to reload using that ammo. At night the OD runner had a cot in front of the huge steel door for the crypto room. We slept with an M-1 carbine and one mag of ammo. The Idiot that designed the building put the crypto room door directly behind a double wide glass entrance door. I always moved the cot down the hall a ways so the Russians would not be able to shoot me in my sleep. I had to explain my reasoning to a 1st Lt until I made him lay on the cot with his head exposed. He had to admit that 3/16 inch of plate glass was pretty piss poor armor plating. He moved his bunk away from the office window as well.
Security is often an Illusion, especially by those who place their safety in the hands of others.
Did I ever tell you about the civilian gate guards who shot it out over a woman at Walter Reed? Neither were injured.
Over a women? Yup, rent a cops who couldn’t get into law enforcement. If those idiots were attacked by crazies’ I see them running while craping their tidy whities’
That and they’d likely be crying “MY CHEESE, I left my cheese behind!” while they ran away.
Lol
My wife and I visited Subase Groton tonight for a fireworks show. Armed sailors at the main gate and teams of sailors armed with M16s and handguns patrolling inside the base. Have to admit it felt strange seeing that.
Un f..ing believable. Rent a cops..soldiers can’t carry weapons. Their letting the nut cases know this and I foresee more attacks against the unarmed. Where do civilians who have a license to carry sign up to protect? We have six recruitment offices in my area and four of us have license to carry. It’s absolutely crazy to ban the recruiter’s from carrying a weapon. I guess dodging bullets and throwing chairs should be taught during boot camp.
I saw those guys in front of the recruiter’s office yesterday. It’s a few miles from my house. I was proud of the citizens of Paulding County doing what’s right, and ashamed of the military leadership. Up is down, right is left.
So, we bring our weapons and LTC and go to the recruitment centers. Chair, cooler with water, plenty of clips. Unreal! Civilians’ protecting unarmed Military personnel. What the hell will be next?
Reb,
You got it right Sir. It’s all bass-ackwards. Civilians protecting us! Ain’t that a kick in the n*ts?! Why are we called “The Armed Forces”? It’s downright embarassing. I’d bet anything that if I went to my Armory and tried to check out my rifle W/O orders I would be refused. Something has to give and I pray we don’t give up it looks from the Article the job is ours for the taking for the foreseeable future. The article reads that way for certain!
Thanks,
Rick
Rick
“The “accidental discharge” excuse is intellectually vacant.” – an understatement in spades.
This is why I keep referring to RayRay as Oh Dear No. I guess his balls are in bodaprez’s golf bag. I hope he uses the ball washer on the 4th green.
I think he did use that ballwasher, Ex. Someone moved it up and down about 10 times, and………..no more balls.
I used to know a guy who carried his in a Ziploc bag.
In defense of Gen Odierno, once you get to that level, its all politics. If you want to keep your job you have to do what your civilian bosses are telling you to do.
I’ve met him a couple times while serving under his command in the 4th ID. He is a good officer and a good man.
Someone who is that hungry for rank and money has a problem.
He’s retiring in a few months.
I hope he enjoys his retirement.
Smitty, you seem a decent sort but I think that you are talking about someone who isn’t there any more.
Or you can keep your balls and get fired Coriolanus McChrystal style. Too bad the media missed the point on that one
“Want to keep your job” my ass! Wake the hell up and read the writing on the wall. You are suggesting one should sell out his personal convictions for the almighty dollar? How on earth can you consider yourself a man anything less than a puppet if you go along with the program just to get along and to be elevated in rank? Fear of “accidental discharges” is a cop out of the worst offense. Fuck him, send him packing and replace him with someone who has some balls.
What really pisses me off about this entire incident is that in no time flat people like this ass kisser will be aiding and abetting Obozo and calling it work place violence, just as they did in Texas. Remember this: As U.S. Army psychiatrist turned jihadi Nidal Hasan finally goes on trial for shooting 13 fellow soldiers to death at Fort Hood, here is what the government continues to classify the 2009 attack:
“Workplace violence.”
In what might be termed the audacity of nope, the government has declined to call this al Qaeda–inspired mass murder an act of terrorism because to do so would be “unfair to the victims.”
Go ahead and justify it by saying the guy has to keep his mouth shut if he wants to keep his job. Put yourself in the position of those killed in Chattanooga. You think your family would be so understanding with all the P C bullshit being spouted to make this country weaker day by day?
Your comment about this guy being a good person lacks merit, common sense and the audacity to stand up on your own two feet and tell it like it is. Yours and his are simple factions of the weak kneed wussies that allow this country to slip. Fuck your friend and the horse he rode in on!
Yeah. White guy kills a bunch of people? Its the confederate flag’s fault. Oh and no one should have guns either!
Islamic guy kills a bunch of servicemembers? Well, its just an isolated incident… Nothing to see here! Move along!
One whacko nut job who was already forbidden by law from
Owning or possessing a firearm shoots up a Church or someplace else, and the unicorn-lusting cotton-candy-assed liberals go bonkers labeling all law-abiding Gun Owners while when a Muslim male goes bonkers and murders people via bomb or firearm and they tell us not to “label”, “profile”, or jump to conclusions, liberalism is a mental disorder!
What’s sad is that if Congress does pass the ability for us to carry on post, decisions will be left to Post/Division/Brigade level Commanders on the whether they’ll allow it for their Soldiers; they’ll leave us unarmed.
I would rather be shot accidentally by friendly fire than die defenseless at the hands of my enemy.
I have met the enemy, I have seen their way of life, I will not live under their rule or tyrannical will.
I am an American, I will cower before no enemy. I took my oath to defend this nation standing upright, I will not betray that oath on a bent knee.
Semper Fi.
Rock on, Dave!
This.
I would MUCH rather be judged by twelve than be carried by six, knowhutimean? Just like I’d rather die standing up to and fighting against tyranny than to live on my knees in it!
It’s times like this that I wish to God we had a “like” button here!
Anyone got the odds on whether the number of deaths from “accidental discharge” (even including negligent discharge) might be much smaller than the number of discharges intended to kill unarmed military members precluded from defending themselves with equal or superior fire power?
I am tired of ‘yes’ men and women rising to the top of the military food chain, like pond algae. The military is not a business or a corporation. If it were, it would have filed for bankruptcy in 1978.
It is said that cream rises to the top.
So do turds.
Odierno is one of 0bama’s perfumed price’s , ball less chosen ones. Pentagon is full of them.
The Odierno/Dempsey/Amos types put their lust for power and perks and fealty to their political bosses well ahead of their oath and the well-being of their subordinates. Not to mention these types are scared absolutely shitless that an “embarrassing” incident might cut them off from access to said power & perks.
No worse than the JCS from 50 yrs ago. Whatever Pres Johnson or SECDEF MacNamara wanted they rolled over, and played dead. The creation of the “Moron Corps” (Project 100K) or fighter jets don’t need no stinking guns….Absolutely, good idea, just brilliant.
You can throw Gen. Welsh and CMSAF Cody into that pile, as well.
“I think we have to be careful about over-arming ourselves, and I’m not talking about where you end up attacking each other.” This from a man with an armed PSD and who is either driven everywhere in a black Suburban with flashing lights or in a UH-60.
Its kind of like Fatty O’Donnell telling me that I’m a bad person for carrying a handgun to protect my family while standing behind her armed bodyguard.
What drives me the craziest is that this isn’t the first time recruiting stations were targeted. I’m sure there are more incidents, but this is deja vu to 2010 when shots were fired at the USMC station in Northern Virginia, and the Pentagon and USMC museum. The difference being the ineptness of the 2010 looney tune, Yonathan Melaku
When will the politicos wake up? <-rhetorical question.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/10/28/pentagon.shootings/
I guess no one told Ray we are at war with these animals. They started it by attacking us on our home turf. In the oath I took it stated to protect our country from enemies both foreign and DOMESTIC. Wonder what oath Ray took.
Odierno no needs to retire. Since when is there such a thing as “over armed” when speaking of the military??
I have no doubt that Ray Ray can be cordial, witty, and downright charming. Even John and Jane Q. Public have more sense than he does, as THEY see a need to ensure that our targets–er, troops–have protection from what Generali Odoriferous calls the “surprise shooter.” (It will be quite a while before I get over his coining and using that term.)
The quiet discussions I’m the reserve centers across the country have already begun: do we risk an Article 15 and possibly prevent this, or possibly die cowering under a desk? The growing consensus seems to be you gotta be alive to be punished and if we we want to go out, we want to die like soldiers…returning fire. Shitty discussion as a leader to overhear, much less to have had with your peers yourself. Dark times lay ahead, ladies and gentlemen.
I like how the excuse is safety but being mowed down like defense dogs is ok and no safety measures should be implemented to possibly prevent that. I’m sure Ray has his armed guards when he travels. Just another Lord scared of his serfs being armed.
Grow the fuck up officer class.
I wonder how much worse things would have been at Pearl Harbor had these over-protective non-rules of engagement been in place.
We weren’t at war with the Japanese at the moment they attacked but we still managed to shoot down some planes and sink a sub…
I think the MP MOS will show some growth. It will take a whole passel of them to put one or two outside every office and shop in the Army. It looks like some promotional opportunities in that career field. And a big windfall for the pistol manufacturers. Sounds like a win-win to me.
That’s funny. We go to war with thousands of rounds of ammunition, various weapon systems that Soldiers have to secure on their own for a year.
did NDs happen from time to time? Yep, sure did.
As was said already, easy for someone like him to say “you shouldn’t have weapons” when he’s guarded 24/7 by armed personnel, armored vehicles, etc.
Although, I’m guessing he has better security than the White House does. Badum-tish!
This is also why so many of us feel safer in combat zones too, among other reasons.
EeeYUP! When we were in Camp in A-stan we were required to have our weapons clear with no mag in them, BUT we were required to have at least one 30 round may with us at all times just in case the SHTF, I modified the pouch I had on the butt of my M4 so it could hold two thinking that it could help me be twice as obnoxious to our attackers before I got to my K-pot and IBA!
There is ONLY one word for Odierno’s attitude.
Fucking Blind OBEDIENCE!!!!!!!!!!!
This guy isn’t helping the cause: http://www.cbs46.com/story/29573194/man-accidentally-shoots-self-at-military-recruiting-office
“The man couldn’t have his gun on his hip because of the policy, but other store owners tell CBS46 that they heard the recruiter may have been hiding the gun in his front pocket. They say it went off as he was sitting down.” Shit happens. Stuffing a firearm into your pants is never a good idea. Too bad he was prohibited from having a firearm in the target-rich environment that is the recruiting office. Training and a holstered weapon would have been nice but he didn’t have either. What he did have was a memo to be alert to threats and not to send away any apparent woman, going by the name of George or Pete, who expresses and interest in enlisting.
“Americans stepping up for recruiters?”
I thought that was called ENLISTING.
And be disarmed? Why would they want to?