“Flaw” in background check process allowed Roof to buy gun
The New York Times reports that a “flaw” in the background check process cleared Dylann Roof, the ritard that murdered nine folks in Charleston, to purchase a handgun. It wasn’t really a “flaw” in the system, it was a “flaw” in the FBI. When the gun dealer made the call for Roof’s background check, the FBI flagged the purchase because they needed more time to check on him. Because the FBI didn’t get to work on the problem, three days later (their time limit to check on the flagged information) Roof picked up his gun. So, the “flaw’ was that the FBI, the agency responsible for the NICS system, didn’t do their job. All they had to do was make a phone call to the local PD, but I guess they were too busy.
But, they feel bad about it;
Many major national gun dealers, like Walmart, will not sell the weapon to the buyer if they do not have an answer from F.B.I., but many smaller stores will.
“We are all sick this happened,” said the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey. “We wish we could turn back time.”
Mr. Comey said the F.B.I. had begun informing the victims’ family members on Friday about the breakdown. He also said he had ordered the bureau’s inspections division to conduct a review of the incident and report its findings to him within 30 days.
Oh, and another flaw in the system; Roof should have informed the dealer that he was facing drug charges, but he didn’t. If we cant trust criminals to be truthful, who can we trust?
Now, if there is legislator out there who wants to address this shortfall, I can go along with it. If they want to force the FBI to do what they’re supposed to do, I’m all for it. three days is enough time, it’s reasonable, but I’d even give them five days, if they’ll do it in five days. I’d even go along with not selling the gun to someone who gets flagged (I used to get flagged every time because of my security clearance – but it only involved another phone call). But, I’d only go along with it if the FBI is forced to do their jobs in a timely manner if it would keep the Dylann Roofs of the world from getting a gun.
Here’s my problem with writing new legislation, though. Some little inbred shit like Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schumer would corrupt the original intent of the legislation with some crap designed to give us a backdoor to national registration. You know, like they did last time.
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From the article:
“Two days after Mr. Roof tried to buy the weapon, an examiner at the F.B.I.’s national background check center in Clarksburg, W.Va., began investigating his criminal history. The examiner found that Mr. Roof had been arrested this year on a felony drug charge, but not convicted. The charge alone would not have prevented him from buying the gun under federal law.”
Which is false. Question 11(b).
You caught that too, huh.. Outright falsehood in reporting. It’s up to us to continue to point this crap out.
Time to maybe sue the Feebies for slackers? It’s their fault, and they can play hangdog guilt all they want to, but they eff’d up. Nobody else did. I don’t count Roof’s lie about his pending conviction. If they are that lackadaisical about this, wher else are they slacking off?
What is flawed is a dept called the FBI! started by a queer, run by incompetents and a bunch of soldiers with John Wayne complexes! Phoebe is a joke!imo
What? Expecting any federal employee to be held accountable – as in expecting them to actually do their jobs? Naw, it’s not gonna happen. Wish it would.
Of course there are federal employees who earn their pay. Unfortunately, only those who expect it of themselves do that. Too bad the bosses don’t demand it of them and fire them when they don’t. Too many silly rules and unions protecting the slackers, and worse – encouraging bad behavior.
“Of course there are federal employees who earn their pay.”
Just wondering, OWB, do you know the names of either of them?
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There’s AW1Ed. 😉
I can’t and won’t speak for the rest of the monolithic leviathan that has become our government, but the DOD civilian worker isn’t like that. Most are prior service and actually know their jobs, and care a lot about the end user. There are duds everywhere, of course, but they are the exception rather than the rule.
Hate to say it, but I think most of the duds work in MY office.
ROADs almost to a man. Can’t wait to retire.
The background check law is a liberal feel good farce. On any given day, any given someone in our country illegally, or a nut case can buy a weapon at most flea markets or privately on a street corner. But our answer to making sure guns don’t get into their hands is ignore the obvious and add more to the already heavy workload of a federal agency. Isn’t that same thinking what overloaded the Veterans Administration?
Wish this thing had an edit capability. The first word of the second sentence should be “felon”.
If Roof had bought his gun through the usual suspect, criminal means there would be no calls to crack down on illegals and criminals getting weapons. It would be about all out gun bans again. Roof lied on his application, the FBI dropped the ball and now the liberals want more laws. What more laws would have stopped him or helped this tragedy? None I can think of. The right processes were in place. They just weren’t followed. So Pelosi can come down on the FBI if she chooses but keep her boney fingers off of my weapons.
Yeah. Remember when career bureaucrats actually gave a shit about doing their jobs?
Me neither.
GDC: I do! It was a Thursday. He was fired the next day for conduct detrimental to the morale of the office.
Yeah, and my last day as a save pay GS-13 MWR Chief was 1 January 1998 because I could not tolerate asshole Chemical Corp LTC Butch Stregal at Pine Bluff Arsenal. I had only done the job for 30 years and this jerk for about two months but he knew more than me about everything. I particularly liked his authorizing all Arsenal civilians full PX privileges his second week on the job. That lasted all of about one hour until the Commander got a phone call from up high. The reason many government civilian employees don’t do their job is their military or civilian supervisor won’t let them.
I have been hearing a lot about how good a week it has been for Barry’s presidency; you know with those decisions by the Supremes who don’t sing. I on the other hand believe with this news – the law and bureaucracy – FBI failed another American citizen; the killing in San Fransisco in the tourist trap down on the wharfs in broad daylight by an illegal alien – 5 times deported etc, etc, with a service weapon, a 45 caliber service weapon ( I wonder if the person who allowed their service weapon to be stolen from the federal vehicle has been fired for negligence?); the law and another bureaucracy fail another American citizen; 21.5 (I wonder if this number includes all the names and references, as part of the application process, are included in that number?) million individuals who have had all their personal information stolen right under the noses of the OPM, even after the information on how to penetrate – with passwords and encryption – was stolen first and no one instituted a fix assuming they would come back; the law and another bureaucracy failed 21.5 million US citizens- have you noticed how the number keeps going up – soon all Americans will have been hacked. Finally the story about how the IRS transferred “1.25 million pages of confidential IRS returns from 113,000 nonprofit social 501(c)(4) welfare groups – or nearly every 501(c)(4) in the United States;” who knows how many US citizens were part of this breach by their own government – not some hacks from China, but the IRS itself; again US citizens failed by law and bureaucracy. So tell me again how Barry’s presidency is a triumph this week because of the Supremes which don’t sing? What I see is a reason to abandon our big government just to protect ourselves from our big government.
“[The director]also said he had ordered the bureau’s inspections division to conduct a review of the incident and report its findings to him within 30 days.”
30 freaking days? Someone is going to crack under the pressure of that time constraint. Is that enough time to order danish and bagels for the meetings? Hey, this is just a guess but if the Director of the FBI says that “We are all sick about this” it’s a sure bet that the FBI knows it screwed up. That’s what happens when a supervisor approves vacation requests that leave a unit short and one of the three days at issue is a Friday when the office is a ghost town. 30 days. Cripes.
30 minutes would seem more rational, but 30 days sounds just like a bureaucrat. First, they need a scheduling meeting to determine the meeting schedule. Then they need committees and subcommittees. Then another scheduling meeting to make sure that the committee and subcommittee meetings do not conflict.
After the meetings are scheduled, then they might consider what information they should collect, maybe even from whom. Then another scheduling meeting.
If they ever decide to interview anyone, it would likely take at least 6 months to publish anything to the committee members. By that time another budget projection would be filed, with the appropriate increase in funding for all those new machines needed to support the investigation.
Maybe we should be grateful that it is 30 days instead of the usual open ended investigation.
30 days gives their accomplices in the press time to talk about Kardashians ass and Caitlin Jenner. Oops, there I go being redundant, again.
30 days of “look! A squirrel”… just a warmup for the Hildabeast candidacy.
30 days my ass. The one time when I do wish I was the boss of something like this agency. I’d have the correct answer in less than a day or asses would be handed hats and discharged from duty. Turn in your FLETC and POST cards, too.
Holy Crap. Every Damn time I’ve tried to buy a firearm since I was retired it’s always a hold. I’ve called to find out what the issue is. No answer. Finally I got one security clearance issue talk about shitting my pants. Thinking WTF !!!
I have a TS clearance and I’ve never had an issue on a firearms purchase. Maybe I’m special?
I’m a registered independent to vote. I wonder if that’s the issue ???? I started doing that in 2012 about the same time this started ????
Same here, SCF D. TS/SBI and never a problem. So guess either you’re not so special after all, or we both are.
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Jonn, Doesn’t Section D of the ATF form already give the government a ‘backdoor registration’? The make, model, and I believe serial number must be put on the form.
Or, maybe I’m mistaken and that information stays with the seller as part of their records.
All the info from the firearm(s) stays with the seller until the seller goes out of business. One caveat is if a buyer buys more than 1 handgun within a 5 day period from the same dealer. A Multiple Sales form gets filled out and sent to ATF and the state police with all info for the firearms. Real pain in the arse.
And, just to clarify, NICS has 3 Business days to provide a resolution on a delay.
The Government is great. The Government is infallible. The Government is here to help you. You must respect the government.
I just threw up a little.
Let me offer you a government grant to help clean up the mess.
The process is derived from the law and the regulations. The process works perfectly. NICS staff did not perform the process correctly. People sometimes do that. Apparently there is insufficient auditing/redundancy to catch and correct incorrect performance.
Unless you’ve been convicted of a violent felony I don’t agree that you should loose constitutional rights. That includes 2nd amendment rights. Nobody will a felony conviction gets robbed of other rights minus voting and those rights can result in far greater harm and restrictions on stopping said person.
This pre-crime stuff politcians are trying to summon before a crime specifically targeting 2nd amendment rights when its the only amendment which specifically says don’t restrict it is getting stupid. Felony drugs? Yet the push to decriminalize drugs from the same politicians.
You people are falling into the never ending trap of trying to prevent murder via govt action at the expense of clearly defined constitutional rights. When you give them and inch they take a mile.
I have a female friend who served and was diagnosed with PTSD. I was completely floored when she said “I’m not allowed to buy, own, borrow, use, store, go target shooting, etc. A GUN?
Her diagnoses was due to being raped. I understand there are different diagnoses for PTSD, and some that served shouldn’t own a weapon.
The Feds made the error and a 7, 14 day hold isn’t enough. 30 days is a good time, but I think the application process should be double checked.
Anyone know how many military veterans diagnosed with PTSD ever killed and how many non military killed?