“Doing something meaningful….”
This Jenny Horne woman is embarrassing. She’s talking about removing the Confederate flag from the South Carolina’s state grounds. This is what happens when you have a full-time legislature – they have so much time on their hands that they think that every mundane vote is somehow “meaningful”. The folks who voted for this drama queen should reconsider whether she should be returned during the next election.
Even Jimmy Carter says that “very few” people think the flag is a racist symbol according to the Washington Times. But it looks like the flag will come down, if Governor Haley signs the bill that passed the House today.
Category: Dumbass Bullshit
OK, if I was married to this bellowing hound … each and every member of the TAH crew would have full permission to shoot me as the humane thing to do!
That is all!
When a horse has a nail in its hoof, you don’t shoot the horse — you get rid of the nail.
You’re a keeper, Master Chief! 😀
We wouldn’t shoot you.
We’d shoot the bellowing hound.
Problem solved, and you’re still here.
Figuratively speaking of course …
She is just another liberal pig trying to get some notoriety in the media to make her dumb assed constituents that voted for her think she is actually doing something!! IDIOTS
And, the low info crowd will actually think that she did do something, because r-a-a-a-a-c-i-s-t.
Master Chief.. No one wants to shoot someone we like. I say shoot the bellowing hound who obviously has rabies. Hope your mending quickly
What’s next, banning the sale of white sheets in order to shut down the KKK? Somebody toss a bucket of water on this witch.
Oh nooooo not evil white sheets. Next thing they are going after black colored Guns… And butter knives…. Noooooooooo
Maybe next she’ll call for a ban on NASCAR saying glowbull wormening and all that shit.
Nascar is on board with all the liberal B.S. They use methanol, trying to ban the evil flag and they are on NBC. Costas hasn’t been on yet but that will change.
That taste in your mouth, Jenny, is the dirt off of a bully’s heel. You’re either going to have to learn to like that taste, or learn to deal with the bully. Your choice.
Well, I’ll say this. At least she proved that women can be passionate about an issue and yet remain calm and rational while rendering solid, reasoned argument w/o recourse to wailing and tears. I am torn on whether she should have let that gut hang out or go with the industrial button, as she did, mimicking a big balloon being squeezed in the middle.
And in related other news, a Congressional progressive caucus member from Californyeah has struck a blow for freedom by calling for the end of Confederate flags of any sort at cemeteries maintained by the National Park Service. It seems that a couple of states honor their war dead by placing small Confederate flags on the graves of Confederate dead. It’s called Confederate Flag Day–or it was, anyway. I’m sure that this, too, is an issue that Congress can get behind–unlike lesser stuff such as ensuring that the military is as strong as possible to fight the acknowledged global enemy called ISIS.
There you go, 2/17. I’m sure you don’t realize that you’ve committed several microaggressions, like, using the words “war”, “fight” and “enemy”. You will be reported to the authorities for this…. Imagine how many Progressives you’ve offended. Lars? Larsie?
Wow. Three weeks ago nobody gave that flag a second thought. Now it’s Satan in cloth form causing ALL of society’s ills.
What a lunatic. Switch the topic she’s talking about from the confederate battle flag to gun control and you’d get the same histrionic speech. “We have to do something!”
She made me cringe in sympathy with all the women who resolved to make it on equal terms with men without having to resort to tears and wailing if they didn’t get their way. She’s a discredit to her sex and the Republican Party.
By the way, she claims to be a descendant of Jefferson Davis – who is no doubt spinning fast enough in his grave to power a small city.
Oh, and I was just wondering…when are we going to outlaw being White?
Already happening. Quietly. Slowly. Everywhere.
MTV has a new show about “White Privaledge”.
The trailer is shocking!
In a incident in Cincinatti, OH … Looks like a groups of fine citizens are attempting to kill off whites … One at a time!
For some reason, the term “rectifying history” comes to mind. And no, that’s not a good thing.
Ignoring what Santayana said about history is monumentally foolish.
that’s “rectumfying”.
“We are at war with Eastasia. We have always been at war with Eastasia, and have always been allied with Eurasia. “
While possibly more accurate, “rectumfying” is not how the originator spelled the term. (smile)
However, it is indeed what the real world tends to do to those that ignore history – one way or another.
I have never understood the flying of the battle flag of a disgraced and defeated bunch of seditionists anyway.
However, I see this as a free speech issue, and as a supporter of the Constitution of the United States, I support those who fly it…if they want to look like bass-ackwards idiot losers that’s their business. Don’t like it? Look away…look away…look away, ahh never mind…
Is there something wrong with a State deciding that a former symbol no longer represents their State as well as they would like to be represented?
Perhaps the good people of South Carolina realize that while the flag itself is not necessarily a racist symbol it ought to join the remnants of racism that were once acceptable in South Carolina but are no longer welcome there.
How meaningful that is depends on your perspective. As I’ve said countless times any private citizen should be free to fly that flag in any personal capacity they like. But I also respect the right of a State’s duly elected representatives acting in what they believe is the State’s best interest to distance themselves from a period of their history they no longer find appropriate.
The n word was once as plentiful as pigeons in central park, but it’s been mostly confined to rappers over the last few decades as many find the word offensive…perhaps some now view that flag with the same disdain as the word.
I must admit I find it mildly entertaining that right wing Republicans are so loudly defending the war flag of rebellious Democrats from 150 years ago that was used while they were busy killing Republican soldiers who were trying to keep the United States intact. I honestly thought I’d not see that happen.
No, there’s nothing wrong with SC deciding it needs to remove the Confederate Battle Flag from its capital, VOV. But there is something wrong with trying to ignore history, even if that history is painful.
One can’t deal with problems by denying the history that caused them, any more than one can by denying their existence. Here’ it looks like some people want to do the former. Lord knows plenty of people are already doing the latter.
A second issue I have is the impact on free speech here. In my mind, this smacks of German-style attempts to ban former Nazi symbols. Sorry, I tend to believe that freedom includes the freedom to publicly proclaim oneself an idiot if you like. And in my book that same freedom extends to state governments. They shouldn’t be coerced into “toeing the PC line”.
After all: who decides what types of speech or symbols are permissible – and which are to be verboten?
Bottom line: Santayana was right about what happens when one ignores history. Not sure, but it seems we’re damned close to heading down exactly that path here.
I’m not suggesting it needs to be removed from battlefields or museums of places where there are displays of the conflict.
Removing it from the capital removes the sense the state is backing the meaning behind the flag. You might see one meaning, other folks see a different meaning. South Carolina is a member of the United States flying that flag might no longer feel right as that flag represents their attempt to walk away from the union. In that regard I respect their right to remove it.
I don’t want to see it removed from battlefields, or monuments at those battlefields. Different context to those displays.
I disagree with you regarding the Nazi analogy only because they are not proposing you can’t fly the flag, they are just proposing the State ought not fly it. Far different than making the symbol itself illegal. No one is making it illegal from what I understand, just not something they want to fly from the modern capitol grounds in 2015.
No one is suggesting we forget history, in fact I would encourage everyone to read the secession statements of every single state seceding from the Union. It gives some interesting mindset into the thinking of the times.
Especially the Texas secession statements about their beneficient and patriarchal system of slavery…
You are right, history that ugly should never be forgotten.
You have heard about the proposals to ban display of the Confederate flag at all cemeteries maintained by the Federal Department of the Interior, right? To include on the graves of Confederate veterans, and including those purchased with private funds and placed there by the deceased’s descendants?
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/247171-house-votes-to-ban-confederate-flags-at-federal-cemeteries
What’s the next step – a requirement for people to certify that they’ve never owned a Confederate flag, or doodled one on paper? A modern “loyalty oath” campaign, if you like?
All that banning a symbol does is to (1) sidestep the real underlying issue, and (2) IMO set a dangerous precedent regarding freedom of speech. Banning speech – even symbolic speech – due to content is a hugely slippery slope. It’s best we not go there.
Plus, as TOW points out below – the flag in question never was the national flag of the Confederacy. It was used only by selected naval and army elements, not by the Confederate States’ government.
Given its current popular association with racism and racists, displaying the Confederate flag is IMO a bad idea and in exceptionally poor taste. But freedom of speech protects offensive speech as well as speech with which everyone agrees.
We may not like what the village idiot has to say. But within broad limits, he has the right to say it nonetheless.
No I haven’t been following this that closely, I was mostly aware of the move on the state capitol and some private companies feeling they no longer wanted to be associated with the symbolism. Neither the state government or the private companies deciding to no longer associate with that symbol is a problem for me based on their freedoms to choose what symbols should reflect their government or their businesses.
What’s being discussed at the link your provide is something else. That I would strongly disagree with that as an act of stupidity and censorship, which I agree with you brushes up had against free speech issues.
I’m not for pretending history never existed as it actually did, I think I was trying to explain that I can understand and support a state government determining that something is inappropriate as a banner for their modern state government.
Actually, the Confederate battle flag was incorporated into the second and third national flags of the CSA.
My suggestion to those who seek a symbol of heritage, is to use the CSA first national “Stars and Bars”, which many folks do not recognize, or use the original unofficial one, “The Bonnie Blue Flag”, which is almost unknown outside the South.
Me personally, I prefer the one with thirteen stars and thirteen stripes. Now -that- was a Rebellion!
“Is there something wrong with a State deciding that a former symbol no longer represents their State as well as they would like to be represented?”
I guess the gov and legislators will find out when elections are next held there. This wasn’t a referendum issue. In fact, letting the voters of the state was rejected. I am quite content to let each affected state decide for itself what it wants to do but this issue has come on from outside the state like political diarrhea.
Correct me if I am wrong, but this all started because some idiot took pictures of himself with this flag before he went out and killed 9 unarmed people in a church, he was also wearing a “Gold’s Gym” wife beater shirt, following their way of thinking should we ban Gold’s Gym also? Although he looks like he never set foot in a gold’s gym. No dog in this fight, my ancestors came from Sweden through Iowa to Washington State after the civil war.
I think there’s always been some people opposed to the government sanctioned flying of this flag on State Capitol property.
Removing it from State property is far different than removing it from private property.
One might be appropriate at this time, the other would never be appropriate at any time.
The idiot might have been a catalyst, but he’s by no means solely behind the move.
I really wish people would stop calling the Southern Cross “the Confederate flag.” It was never the Confederate flag, ever, period. The Stars & Bars and Bonnie Blue flag were Confederate flags, and I wouldn’t wipe my ass with those fucking rags. They represent the bad shit that the coward Jefferson Davis (yes, he was a coward in the end) tried to wrap up in States’ Rights (though there was merit in the argument). A display of an actual Confederate flag absolutely would be offensive as hell, unless it was in a historical reenactment setting. The only southerners who ever saw the Southern Cross during the war or for decades after were the small percentage of rebel veterans who served directly under Lee in the Army of Northern Virginia, plus the residents of northern and central Virginia. It never, ever flew over any Confederate government installation of any kind, or from the mast of any Confederate ship. It was not the Confederate flag then, and it ain’t the Confederate flag now. This entire debate is born and bred of ignorance. Liberals. They cite its use by the KKK (brethren of our own VWPutz–remember him/her/it?), but of course those inbred fucktards also display the Stars & Stripes as well as a lot of Christian imagery (even the burning cross is appropriated), yet none but a few particular idiots cry that the United States Flag or Christianity are racist by association. Students of history know that, while he was no more of a saint than the rest of us, Robert E. Lee would be disgusted by the KKK and deeply offended by their appropriation of the battle flag that represented his soldiers. The protestors display the same ignorance as the cowardly sister-fuckers wearing bedsheets with this debate. They might as well campaign for the German language to be abolished and eradicated because Hitler spoke German. It’s fucking ridiculous. They look at meaningless, superficial pop culture rather than the actual history and symbolism of the Southern Cross. If the South Carolina state government were displaying an ACTUAL Confederate flag, I would be at… Read more »
The swastika, or a similar design, was a symbol common in the art of several Indian nations. Try finding it used in their art now. Whether rightly or wrongly, once a symbol becomes associated with evil, it never goes back the other way. Another example: the song “Tubular Bells” (the theme music to the movie The Exorcist.) As beautiful as that music is, I don’t know of anyone who sits around listening to it. It’s guilt by association. It’s not right, but we seem to be wired that way.
Well, I dunno. Is it OK to listen to this part without feeling guilty? (smile)
That’s twisted, dude. I mean…damn.
It’s also from Tubular Bells – it starts about 1/2 way through side 2 on the original vinyl album. I’ve owned a copy since the late 70s. (smile)
In case anyone who’s interested hasn’t ever heard the whole work, here’s a link. If you’ve never heard anything but the Exorcist theme portion, you literally don’t know what you’ve missed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB00PMz6SX8
Enjoy, but be forewarned it’s nearly 50 min long. IMO it’s worth the time.
Oh, and for what it’s worth: Oldfield was all of 19 when he recorded this in late 1972/early 1973.
Funny enough, you’ll see the swastika used on Google Maps for Japanese Buddhist temples.
It’s called The Naval Jack for a reason. The common cross flag being wailed about was flown on Confederate ships from 1863-1865
The Confederate Naval Jack closely resembled what is erroneously referred to today as the “Confederate Flag”, but was not the same. It used a substantially lighter shade of blue in its cross than did the flag today commonly but erroneously called the “Confederate Flag”.
Today’s misnamed “Confederate flag” was a rectangular variant of the flag of the Confederate Army of Northern Virginia (which was itself square). The rectangular version was carried into battle by the Confederate Army of Tennessee.
In a true bit of historical irony, the “Confederate Flag” of today was apparently considered as a candidate for the Confederacy’s first national flag in 1861 – and was rejected in favor of the “stars and bars” design. (smile)
The Stars and Bars (aka First National), as well as the Stainless Banner (Second National) and Blood-Stained Banner (Third National) represented the CSA government; the latter two contained the battle flag, so yes, many Southerners saw the battle flag in some form or another. Also, the Navy Jack was almost identical in design to the battle flag.
As for the Bonnie Blue, it was never an official flag. Rather, it originated as the flag of the Republic of West Florida, and was flown over Fort Sumter when it was attacked.
I don’t disagree with many of your sentiments, but wanted to clarify the above. People of all sorts embrace various flags. Most of those I’ve known who display a flag for prejudicial reasons use the well-known battle flag, as most people don’t even recognize the national flags or the Bonnie Blue. Besides, if the Bonnie Blue truly represents hate, then the entire stretch of I-12 in Louisiana is hateful–the Republic of West Florida Parkway proudly displays the flag on signs between Baton Rouge and Slidell.
One minor quibble: the last flag of the Confederacy (the “blood-stained banner”) was adopted so late in the war (Mar 1865) that it’s believed few in the South likely ever actually saw it.
I tried changing from meaningful sports entertainment (ROH wrestling) to wholesome family entertainment (Rockford Files/Emergency!/Gunsmoke) in peace. I failed…
I had the DVR tuned to the news channel and heard this piece of putrification wail as I selected which program to watch. The “Gunfighter, RIP” episode of Gunsmoke has yet to “Break My Mind”, George Hamilton IV style…
Meanwhile, the Bonnie Blue adorns my wall, near Old Glory and the state flags of Virginia (the ancestral home) and Louisiana (my future home). Ignorance has degraded the symbolism of the Battle Flag for the past few decades… As a Southerner with both maternal and paternal roots tracing back to the 1600’s I am simply saddened by the ignorance and misguided passion people of all sides in this matter display.
The sobbing legislator Jenny Horne needs to drop 40 pounds at least. Since shedding body water weight is one of the easiest ways to do this…keep crying you dumb ass. For gosh sakes you’re an elected official in session. Keep the emotional soap opera outside and use it on the hubby and kids. My money says, ten to one, she can’t give you the foremost reasons for the cause of the Civil War or much of its history at all.
These drama queens are rapidly becoming a dead bore.
So this Republican has been in office since 2008 serving with that racist flag but only now has a total breakdown over it and something must be done RIGHT NOW.
ummm…why was it ok for the last 7 years, Jenny?
Make sure you go to her page and tell her what you think of her ridiculous attention whore outburst. Nicely, folks…
Like the flag or don’t like the flag, to each their own, I don’t care.
What I do care about is the fact that there are Islamic terrorists out there waging war against us and we are busy watching this BS. Why are these politicians not this motivated about the stuff that REALLY matters? I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but it makes me wonder why they are playing hide the salami with our collective backsides while they say things like “terrorist are really just unemployed and deprived good guys that just want a way to provide for their families”.
But, my opinion about the flag, when they are done getting rid of this symbol that some Americans are for, what’s the next symbol they are going to come after? It may be one that you are for. We are headed down a slippery slope for a feel good action.
In related news the City Council of Memphis voted to remove the statue of N B Forrest from a park that used to be named after him.
They also voted to disinter him and his wife….
Setting aside the legal issue that they have no fucking right to disturb remains its a perfect example of race baiting assholes pretending they are doing something.
Meanwhile Memphis is the 4th most dangerous city in the country, has the highest teen pregnancy rate in the state and has a 30% high school drop out rate.
As usual, the best is saved for last. Well put, Blaster. The lower Midwest is where I grew up; the DEEP South is where I settled after RVN. Been here ever since. Kinda grows on you before you know it. Especially when you have lived among “them” and understand their side of the story. And they very well see things from a different historical point of view. IMO the flag issue is just another diversion to keep all of us from seeing and speaking the truth. This video of the drama queen of 2015 makes me want to puke. It’s that little raised fist with the thumb sticking straight out that makes a sane person realize this is just another pitch for certain votes. Another genuine POSER, just wearing a different outfit. Until we all decide to wake up and tell the profession-oriented politicians to hit the road, a flag of any color or history will be the least of our concerns.
Just put faces to names. Oldies but goodies’. Newbies’ who trained to serve. To all I thank you for your service. You made your family proud
The Stars & Bars apparently has a following in Europe & South America…
http://abcnews.go.com/US/confederate-flag-found-deep-south/story?id=31979741
I read somewhere in the coverage of Drama Queen’s speech that she is a descendant of Jefferson Davis.
Interesting juxtaposition there on the history, eh?
Oh, THAT should be held up to the glaring light of unpleasant publicity, if it can be proven true!
Now, you all know that if it weren’t for social media, YouTubing, and the intertubes, this would probably have been nothing more than a local issue badly reported by a junior reporter who is functionally illiterate and anxious to be seen on the local station.
As it is, we have an opportunity to remind this leftie political RINO animal that she’s been acquainted with this dreadful symbol her entire life and that not only is she possibly the worst hypocrite on earth right now, she should also get a tailor or a suit that fits better.
And stop crying on TV. It’s SOOOOO phony!!!
If this is so important to her that she bursts into tears over it, why didn’t she bring it up much earlier in life?
What a bandwagon-jockey DOUCHEBAG!!!!