IVAW causes First Casualty in SF (Updated)
Preaching to the choir, the Iraq Veterans Against the War took their worn and tired message to San Francisco for their performance recreation of what they call “First Casualty” which refers to the truth being the first casualty of war. They disrupted “Black Friday” shopping in Union Square for two hours before their press conference.
Actually, it’s just a way to meet hairy-legged hippie chicks. I mean they can’t be serious. (You can click these pictures for a larger view)
In their press release about the event, they wrote:
“Our aim is to show the American public the truth of the US occupation in Iraq, and the effects on returning soldiers” said Eddie Falcon, IVAW spokesperson.
Yeah, well, it’s not on occupation, guys. The democratically elected Iraqi government just invited our troops to stay for three more years. And the only thing your little goof-ball, macho antics are doing for the troops is painting them as merciless thugs and providing ammunition for the ignorant hippies so they can start spitting on them again.
The news release also complains that the “corporate news” isn’t even talking about Iraq anymore – that’s because the war is nearly over, dumbasses. Everyone knows that except you pin heads. But they’re in a hurry to end the war before it runs it’s natural course, aren’t they? The Left must be so disappointed that they can’t influence public opinion like they did in the 60s.
So here they are convincing the hippies in San Francisco that our troops are thuggish vandals – a real tough sell, I’m sure.
I noticed they didn’t try to disrupt shoppers at Wal-Mart in Nassau County, Long Island – that might be a little too dangerous for this group of dweebs and dorks. From the looks of the group around the banner above, none of them look like they ever went out on a patrol in Iraq. They don’t even look manly enough to carry a basic load of equipment. But then, that’s what they do best – act the part without being the real deal.
I’m still waiting for them to give real testimony to real atrocities in a real court. Theater only convinces the convinced.
UPDATE: Our good buddy Protestshooter was on the scene, too, and got more pictures (by way of LGF’s linkviewer) and plenty of narrative. The pictures I hijacked above were from various left-wing blogs – as you can see from Protestshooter’s pictures, there was no shortage of photographers.
Category: Antiwar crowd, Iraq Veterans Against the War, Liberals suck, Phony soldiers, Politics
Can these idiots at IVAW get any more retarded? It seems like most just want their fifteen minutes of fame or a warm and fuzzy hug. As my first platoon sergeant used to say, “You always have your ten percent of shitebirds.”
This guy, see link, was supposedly a founding member of IVAW if my memory of his profile serves me correctly. He used to board with my mother in law. A real piece of work.
Since his run for mayor of Torrance, CA his IVAW profile seems to have disappeared. I wonder why?
http://www.goodrichforcouncil.com/index.php
Jonn wrote: Yeah, Kenny, he co-founded IVAW. He left the Air Force the month after the invasion of Hussein’s Iraq in April 2003. His only real service in regards to Iraq was from Turkey in support of Operation Southern Watch – monitoring the no-fly zone.
Piercings, tats, I think that’s her “O Face” were seeing here.
His too.
Just a reminder about how the IVAW kids are the puppets of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, “First Casulty” was the name of VVAW’s newsletter for a while back in the day.
Like there are Revolutionary War re-enactors, Civil War re-enactors and World War II re-enactors, IVAW are Vietnam War Protest re-enactors.
And like their VVAW mentors, they held a “Winter Soldier” to smear the people who served honorably during their generation’s conflict.
OK, a few more observations, last photo, there’s a Veterans For Peace boonie cap. VFP is run by the old VVAW cockroaches. It’s the rock they have to hide under because the VVAW are so dispised by veterans.
There’s also lots of Revolutionary Communist Party props in the other photos, but the biggest one is the orange rags tied around the upper arm. RCP is a Maoist communist cult and that mimics the red rags Mao’s Red Guards wrapped around their upper arms during the Cultural Revolution.
But there are no commies in the “peace movement” and certainly not working with IVAW. Snort…
Jonn, I don’t now much about his service but I do know how he treated his dog. When I visited my mother in law, on three occations, while he was staying there, he would always leave her to care for his dog. It wasn’t part of the agreement, he just took advatage of her. He instructed her that the dog was vegiterian. She got tired of being left to care for the dog and, bless her heart, fed the dog meet scraps. The dog took a liking to her. On my third visit we were watching TV with the dog sleeping by her side when Tim walked in and his dog started growling at him. I shit you not. I laughed my ass off and felt a warm feeling in my heart. My mother in law was actually on his side concerning the war, but not about the dog and has a dim view about him after all was said and done.
At least the retards are in the right place. The cock suckers can suck all the cock in SF. I’m glad none of them live near me. I might get a Nam flashback and take them out in the middle of the night. That would be worth the couple of weeks in the nut ward that it would cost.
What’s the point of having the protest in San Fran, seriously why preach to the choir? If they really want to educate people on what’s happening in Iraq wouldn’t you target the people that don’t share your opinion. I mean you’d get more press from a protest like this in the heartland than having it in a place like SF where you have to compete with every no bra wearing hairy legged libber with a megaphone.
Jonn wrote: The reason they do these things in San Francisco? Because they need approving crowd reactions for the DVDs which will draw a bigger audience than the event itself.
Thanks for the link – you’re right, it was a REMARKABLY well photographed protest given the low turnout. I think World Can’t Wait sells protest DVDs and they all seem to use this stuff for recruiting/fundraising. It’s a bit like there’s a heavily scripted and edited “reality” TV show going on.
Raoul – At least a third of the people there were with World Can’t Wait which is a RCP front organization.
I don’t know how to see their schedule for future “protests”, but would love to know when they plan to show up at Camp James E. Rudder. Hell, I will even be their guide to get there, taking them up Rattlesnake Run at 50 MPH or better. SF? Do those folks out there like reruns? Didn’t they have a gay nude street parade planned for this weekend?
If they weren’t so pathetic they would be funny……….
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KennyR posted:
he would always leave her to care for his dog. It wasn’t part of the agreement, he just took advatage of her. He instructed her that the dog was vegiterian. She got tired of being left to care for the dog and, bless her heart, fed the dog meet scraps. The dog took a liking to her.
The dude’s an idiot, dogs are carnivores, although they’re also opportunity eaters. My dog loves iceberg lettuce, but he wouldn’t survive on a diet of it. No wonder why the dog took to your Mom, he must have been hungry as hell and she took care of him.
As far as this IVAW “theater of the absurd”, they’re trying to paint this current generation of warriors in the same manner that the shitbirds from VVAW painted my generation of warriors. That’s why I traveled down to Washington DC on March 15 2008 to stand with EaglesUp and DCProtestWarrior to stand for this generation of warriors and against the IVAW’s Winter Soldier 2. I’m ready to stand against these pukes again when called upon. The reason why the VVAW is hated by Vietnam Era veterans is because of the lies that they perpetrated by the posers, the disgruntled and the political opportunists (Kerry) that maligned an entire generation of we veterans.
I bet each one of those guys thinks they’re legends in their own minds. They must love how all the hippie chicks think they are somehow “wounded on the inside” because of the “things they can’t talk about”. When the truth is if they talked about what they really did overseas they’d all get laughed at because it was so illegitimate. I’ll give them their right to protest, but don’t go walking around taking advantage of the ignorant public who think you’re some medal of honor winner when you in fact guarding the PX was probably the only job your PSG could find for you that you wouldn’t screw up.
This was staged in SF because of the city’s lenient policies towards antiwar/America activity.
I’ll even SWAG they had prior approval and the SFPD and Mall Security were well aware of them putting on their circus act.
Thanks for the excellent shots, Protest Shooter! Well done! I saw a couple of faces I recognize from way back when and most recently one that was at WS2.
Wish you’d have been there.
For those of you who obviously were not even at the protest, you didn’t get to see how onlookers actually appreciated and thanked people for the demonstration. While all of you are busy just passing judgement, the organizers are making an attempt to try and reach the public with a message. Despite lack of coverage of the Iraq war, the support for war is down and most people are searching for answers to try and figure out what we should be doing in this time.
As far as comments of “preaching to the choir”. what the hell is this forum all about. I think it is laughable how both sides tend to use this phrase, while all the mean while, that is exactly what they are doing. I disagree with the motives of the organizers, I think they (probably more than some of you) have had exposure to what the war and military is about currently and they are just speaking out with what they believe. To challenge the extent to which a person served doesn’t change an individual’s right to their views and their right to express them, nor does it change the fact that they are making a difference.
Just for clarification, I’m not in IVAW, nor do I live in the Bay Area. I just happened to be at the protest and was lucky enough to witness people trying raise awareness of what is happening in the world. And despite what most of you believe, I think most normal/average everyday people like myself are not satisfied with how our society is operating today and want to be part of change that needs to happen.
Well, there you have it, that’s the mindset. It’s worth noting that caitlin posted similar stuff on leftie sites including this gem.
“Yesterday was a very moving demonstration. Watching the footage and personally witnessing people’s reactions during the action, it was obvious that when people paused that they were both moved and shaken up because what all of us were viewing was disturbing and exposed a truth that most people want to conveniently ignore.”
That’s just so far from reality I don’t know where to begin.
Jonn wrote: Yeah, it’s a familiar practice these days to troll the internet and leave comments explaining why everything they do is so relevant and how we don’t get it because we’re busy being judgmental. I’m sure Caitlan is one of those hairy-legged hippie chicks that IVAW trolls for in San Francisco.
The incidents of detainee abuse in Iraq have been isolated and few. IVAW will fail at their propaganda efforts because the facts just aren’t there…even though it is politically convenient for anti-war types to believe such lies.
Caitlin,
Why are you attempting to misrepresent yourself here. We weren’t born yesterday.
Here’s a fact to take with you from a veteran, VVAW and their little brothers in the IVAW are lying shitbirds, malcontents who are maligning their own in the worst case of self loathing. If you want to support them and believe their line of BS, that’s your business, but all they’re doing is effin’ their brothers and sisters in uniform who are serving honorably.
We’ve seen this all before Caitlin.
Where’s the “JAIL KARPINSKI” signs?
Caitlin, [For those of you who obviously were not even at the protest, you didn’t get to see how onlookers actually appreciated and thanked people for the demonstration.] By your “logic”, if you weren’t at abu Ghraib, they shut up. [While all of you are busy just passing judgement…,} Like you and the RCP aren’t judegemental in the extreme? […the organizers are making an attempt to try and reach the public with a message.] What is the message of the Revolutionary Communist Party? Why the need to hide behind a front group? Why does RCP encourage the high school students to commit violence while the RCP leaders take up positions safely in the rear? [Despite lack of coverage of the Iraq war, the support for war is down and most people are searching for answers to try and figure out what we should be doing in this time.] We’re winning, you and al-Qaeda is losing. And people know it. [As far as comments of “preaching to the choir”. what the hell is this forum all about.] Typincal absurd platitude. You’re out trying to decieve the public. We’re here documenting your lies for our amusement. [I think it is laughable how both sides tend to use this phrase, while all the mean while, that is exactly what they are doing.] Sorry sweetie cups, you’re the one hiding behind the front group. You’re not transparent, we are. You have to hise your true message because the public won’t buy it. In fact, you have to redo your message to look more like our beliefs to get the public to listen. [I disagree with the motives of the organizers, I think they (probably more than some of you) have had exposure to what the war and military is about currently and they are just speaking out with what they believe.] BS, they’ve making common cause with the worst elements of the Hate America chorus. Useful idiots. How useful is debatable, the idiots part isn’t. [To challenge the extent to which a person served doesn’t change an individual’s right to their views and their… Read more »
Here we go….
“Yesterday was a very moving demonstration”
Yeah, yeah and those that aren’t “moving” are “powerful”.
There’s a formula for their accounts and Caitlin’s got it down pat.
Hey Caitlin,
The guy with the black athletic shoes and white socks. Ask him what the MOS is for “Gym Teacher”.
Jonn wrote: I don’t suppose this might be “I’m not a member of the IVAW” Caitlan. More likely, this Caitlan from Sacremento who is also a IVAW groupie on My Space.
What a bunch of faggots. And I don’t mean faggot in a ghey way.
BTW, Caitlin, you’ve a got a little dribbling down your chin…
What a bunch of assclowns. But hey, San Francisco is the perfect venue for the IVAW circus.
You guys really don’t get it.
Why was the OFC in San Francisco? Because the chapter in San Francisco decided they wanted to pull off an OFC, and had enough local IVAW members to do it. Since OFC has become a widely-known and familiar tactic, they don’t tend to import anymore, and so they’re not “staged for effect anywhere”. Local chapters happen to want to do something where they live. It has nothing to do with the broadmindedness of the city-it has to do with that’s what the IVAW members who were /right there/ happened to want.
Despite lack of coverage of the Iraq war, the support for war is down and most people are searching for answers to try and figure out what we should be doing in this time.
Caitlin, what’s wrong with the SOFA agreement? Not enough flair :-\
I’m still trying to figure out why we haven’t pulled all the Americans out of Chicago, Detroit and Philadelphia. Each one of those cities has had more murders than Iraq casulties the past several months?
Its so amusing to see all the personal attacks and deep thought for why this action happened (and why it happened in San Fran, couldn’t be that is just where they live….) I mean come on, hairy legs, shitbags……. So tactically right on!
Please, DON”T find something better to do with your time. Your internet army right here is doing so much!
I still believe that all of this is nothing but an elaborate attempt to score with 19 year old co-eds who think having a tattoo over their buttcrack and wearing a “Free Tibet” t-shirt makes them edgy and socially aware. In the meantime, some “war protestor” is getting his knob polished by telling her she’s connected to the political machine…the reality is that the real machine she’s connected to uses D-cells.
LOL, Claymore.
Only self-absorbed liberal hippie shitbags call these things “an action”.
Ayers and the Weathermen when the plotted tro murder hundreds of Soldiers at Ft Dix called it “an action”.
ArmySergeant, Caitlin, Anynomous:
I don’t get anything IVAW does and frankly believe most of them are going to be ashamed of having been part of IVAW one day. ArmySergeant, do you believe the Iraq Campaign is illegal or immoral and if so, why did you reenlist?
I believe that the invasion of Iraq was completely unjustified and unnecessary. I think we were led into support of it by hearing about how Saddam had WMDs and it was strongly implied that he might use them on the US. This wasn’t the case, and I think the invasion of Iraq and subsequent occupation was not militarily sound, and has contributed to the breakdown of our military (through lowered enlistment and promotion standards) and the destruction of our economy.
Why did I reenlist? Because I believe in the purpose of the Army, which is to defend our nation. I don’t think that purpose is lessened in any way because a President happens to involve us in a conflict we have no business in. I view my oath and my defense of the nation to be the main reason I”m involved with IVAW-to defend the nation through making sure it does the right thing and doesn’t bankrupt itself more.
Army Sergeant said: “I think we were led into support of it by hearing about how Saddam had WMDs and it was strongly implied that he might use them on the US. This wasn’t the case, and I think the invasion of Iraq and subsequent occupation was not militarily sound, and has contributed to the breakdown of our military (through lowered enlistment and promotion standards) and the destruction of our economy.”
Well, we’d had the same intelligence and even other proof before George W. Bush was ever elected President that Saddam had WMD’s and was seeking the ability to obtain a nuclear weapon. They tried that once before. In the six month (or however long enough it was) leadup to the war, I’m sure Saddam had plenty of time to hide and or destroy these weapons, because he knew if he stalled, we invaded and couldn’t find them, he’d win a propaganda victory due to the Fifth Column in our media and the Democrat Party (as well as some Republicans).
As far as low enlistment, why don’t you blame your IVAW buddy, Adam Kokesh and the anti-military left? He was in my old neck of the woods (Moron County, CA) last May for counter-recruitment visits to Bay Area high schools. The Leftist saboteurs frequently do this in schools around the nation. Here’s the link, if you don’t believe me, from the local Marin County commie organization.
http://mpjc.org/kokesh/
YatYas,
The IVAW will go the way of the VVAW. Dispised by other veterans of their era.
I note that I didn’t say lowered enlistment, I said lowered enlistment STANDARDS-more moral waivers, etc. We now allow rapists and felons into our army. Joy. Seriously, I met a guy last month who can’t own a gun in civilian life due to three felony convictions, but can carry a gun for the Army now.
Lowered enlistment standards – explains why you were able to reenlist, AS. When are you due for a promotion?
Can you please produce the statistics that precisely pinpoint how the War on Terror has destroyed our economy. I am very curious to peruse your data.
AS- I know what you mean, I met a guy last week who said that he was homeless before joined the Army he was sleeping under a bridge in Portland. He spent his time at raves and doing massive amounts of drugs, but joining is what turned him around and gave him a purpose. I think in some cases exceptions can be made.
Skye: Enlistment and reenlistment aren’t the same thing at all. Also, I’m not sure what lowered standards would have somehow made my reenlistment possible, given that I’ve never had a negative disciplinary action and have the Good Conduct Medals to prove it.I hold a clearance, and when I went for my re-investigation I told the investigator about my IVAW involvement and she said that was fine, and I was re-cleared. I’ve also got a love-me folder about an inch thick with all the positive awards, write-ups, commendations, etc. that I’ve earned during my time in service. What possible reason could they have in even the most stringent world for not letting me reenlist?
Caroline: Hmmm. You’re right in some ways, and I think that allowing in some waivers does help some people. I think it wouldn’t be as bad a situation if the drill sergeants in Basic and AIT were still able to wash out people that couldn’t cut it, or if we were still able to give failure to adapt discharges to those who can’t work as part of a team. Unfortunately, the need for bodies means that we can’t discharge as many of those that we really need to or would under other circumstances.
Hey ArmySergeant, If you were any MORE clueless and vapid, you’d be DeWald. Anyway, for your edification: In case you didn’t know, we found a substantial amount of hidden WMD along with documents and recordings in which Saddam Hussein emphatically stated his intention to continue WMD development and deception. 1) Declassified NGIC report: http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Iraq_WMD_Declassified.pdf 2) 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3872201.stm 3) 1,500 gallons of chemical weapons agents: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/13/AR2005081300530.html 4) Chemical warheads containing cyclosarin: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/07/02/international1018EDT0516.DTL and: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,124576,00.html 5) Over 1,000 radioactive materials in powdered form meant for dispersal over populated areas: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3872201.stm 6) Roadside bombs loaded with mustard and “conventional” sarin gas, assembled in binary chemical projectiles for maximum potency: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html 7) Last major stockpile from Saddam’s nuclear efforts arrives in Canada http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/ Those weapons were previously unknown to U.N. inspectors. Oh yeah, and his terrorist connections: He gave thousands of dollars to families of suicide bombers and in addition, Iraqi intelligence met with al Qadea operatives and provided with training camps in Northern Iraq: The Mother of All Connections From the July 18, 2005 issue: A special report on the new evidence of collaboration between Saddam Hussein’s Iraq and al Qaeda. by Stephen F. Hayes & Thomas Joscelyn 07/18/2005, Volume 010, Issue 41 Source: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/804yqqnr.asp?pg=1 Saddam Hussein, as evidenced by the WMD found, his previous use, continued willingness to use them, and the documents discovered which connected him to terrorists, was a threat. The fact remains that the inspectors got absolutely nowhere with regard to full disclosure of Hussein’s WMD program. He was, like every other belligerent Islamofascist Middle eastern state, a threat to U.S. troops in the region. Not only was the invasion necessary, we should have finished the fucking job the first time I was there. I’m also an OIF vet, and I’m damned glad we got Husssein and the WMDs before they could be used. Matter of fact, we should have leveled several countries on 12 September 2001, but I’m a former Soldier (and Intelligence Analyst, by the way), not a diplomat. I don’t know what military you’re referring to, but the only “breakdown” I’ve… Read more »
ArmySergeant: I believe that the invasion of Iraq was completely unjustified and unnecessary.
Well, not everyone will agree to every battle or campaign waged. Since you don’t think it was illegal or immoral than I take it, you realize it is your duty to follow the orders of the CinC and your superiors in the conduct of the Iraq Campaign. I would respect your opinions about Iraq, even if I disagreed with them if you actually belonged to a mature group of people that honestly advanced some of the short-comings in the handling of Iraq. By the way, we had been in a low intensity conflict with Iraq since right after the violations of the cease-fire in 1991, so that alone allowed us to invade.
The IVAW is full of those condemning Afghanistan as well as Iraq and against what this country stands for. Many have lied about their service and what they have witnessed in Iraq. Crimes have been committed, but the military has worked hard to investigate and prosecute those found to be in violation sometimes to the extreme. Running around the streets of the United States playing soldiers and just blaming Bush/America for terrorism is not a mature way to make a point.
GI Jane:
I remember what serving in an under-funded and disrespected military was like in the Seventies, when alot of America. Mom would only sign if I went into the Air Force or Coast Guard, so joined the Air Force in 1977 right after my seventeenth birthday. After two enlistments, got smart and joined the Marines, retiring as a Gunny in 1999. Came back for a year in 2005 and had the honor of serving with alot of good people at Camp Fallujah. This is a stretched military, but not a defeated one and I don’t want to see that happen.
Also, I’m not sure what lowered standards would have somehow made my reenlistment possible, given that I’ve never had a negative disciplinary action and have the Good Conduct Medals to prove it
Again with such lowered standards in the military, as you claim, it would be easy to fill a folder with nothing but love and unicorns. Also, it is easy for you to claim all of this as truth online….
Still waiting for copies of the data that convinced you to state the WOT has destroyed our economy.
Skye,
You have to recall that A/S also said that the Army is so short of people that they promote the unqualified.
Of course she’s exempt from her own criticism. Just like the IVAW who testified that everyone in military is a war criminal but themselves.
Isn’t moral relativism fabulous?
I hold a clearance, and when I went for my re-investigation I told the investigator about my IVAW involvement and she said that was fine, and I was re-cleared
Since you have clearly demonstrated a pattern of misinformation regarding IVAW on this blog and elsewhere, one can surmise that you related the same misinformation to the investigator. She probably is under the impression that IVAW is a dating site for military men.
I remember what serving in an under-funded and disrespected military was like in the Seventies, when alot of America. Mom would only sign if I went into the Air Force or Coast Guard, so joined the Air Force in 1977 right after my seventeenth birthday. After two enlistments, got smart and joined the Marines, retiring as a Gunny in 1999. Came back for a year in 2005 and had the honor of serving with alot of good people at Camp Fallujah. This is a stretched military, but not a defeated one and I don’t want to see that happen.
I got smart right away and joined the Army. Most of my relatives who went into the military were Soldiers, so it was expected. After the Carter debacle, we were absolutely estatic when Reagan was elected. He had admiration and respect for us, and a love of country that not many Democrats understand. We got the first substantial pay raise in years, a vast improvement in research, development, and deployment of weapons and equipment, and a spike in morale that was incredible. All anyone needs to do is compare and contrast the way Democrats and their presidential candidates treat us as opposed to Republicans. It’s night and day.
I was a proud zoomie during Nixon and Carter years and morale was at a low point during that time. We were underfunded and had to resort to “Radar O’Reilly” tactics to get supplies at times. I was in Air Weather Service and we were still using WWII teletypes over in Germany! We were disrespected Stateside by people from our own age group and I blame VVAW’s BS lies from Winter Soldier 1, the so-called “peace” movements communist propaganda and their willing partners in the media that portrayed veterans as psychos and damaged goods. That’s why I joined with you at Eagles Muster back in March, to stand for our troops and stand against the malignment from the IVAW. History repeats itself but this time it’s going to be different and we veterans from the past will not allow the IVAW to get away with the same shit that their big brothers in the VVAW pulled on my generation, no way, no how!
Here’s another tidbit for Army Sergeant, a 1999 ABC News report about ties between bin Laden and Iraq.
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