Sailor videos females showering on sub
Mark sends us a link to Fox News which reports that an unnamed second class petty officer (also known as “dead sailor walking”) has been caught videotaping female sailors while they showered aboard the USS Wyoming – the first Ohio-class submarine to have women in the crew.
Navy officials are investigating a 24-year old male sailor who is accused of making and distributing the videos, according to a Nov. 14 incident report circulated among the service’s senior leaders, according to Navy Times, which first reported the story.
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The videos, recorded over a one year period, are believed to show at least three female officers while showering or undressing, according to a source who has spoken to one of the alleged victims, Navy Times reported.
The Naval Criminal Investigative Service, or NCIS, is investigating the incidents in question, according to the incident report, Navy officials said.
Just to be clear, this is not acceptable behavior anywhere in the world, and this sailor is going to be justifiably crucified. I’m sure he did it because of authority issues, it’s not like there isn’t enough spank bait on the internet already and if women showering was his thing, I’m pretty sure someone somewhere made a video like that already for his enjoyment. No, this was because he didn’t like at least one of the personalities in the shower.
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Dunno, Jonn. I’ll defer to our former submariners, but my understanding is that Internet connectivity on a sub kinda sucks – particularly while submerged, which I understand they stay pretty much all the time. The guy really might have been that hard up for pr0n.
Regardless, he’s gonna learn a hard lesson – one richly deserved.
Some of us, not me, but I heard that some do this, store porn on their computers. I can’t attest to to the practice.
We used to have a Hog board on ship. We would post pictures of wives and girlfriends sent to us and vote on Hog of the week. We were pigs and proud of it.
LMAO!
One time I was in San Diego getting ready to deploy on USS Pollack.
One of the guys on my team dragged me and another team member to a hardcore porn shop. Okay, he didn’t DRAG us, but it isn’t someplace I go to…ever.
Anyway, my shipmate proceeded to buy so much porn that he only had room left in his seabag for the porn, a poopie suit, a t-shirt, a pair of skivvies, and THREE socks. LOL!
My shipmate was happy to share all this porn with everyone on the crew. Heck, I would be sitting at my pos and he would poke me and hand me a sample. With an evil glint in his eye. He was a real piece of work.
As an aside, this guy kept whining that he was going to get of the USN, that he couldn’t stand it anymore. Problem was that this guy couldn’t speak standard English anymore. He sounded like Popeye. We used to give him shit that, before he got out, he would have to take an English as a Second Language course. He just smiled….that “fuck you very much” smile I got to know in the Navy so well.
Anyway, we were pulled off station to go on another mission and had to pull into Yoko. Before aforementioned shipmate crossed the brow, he was given a direct order by the CO of Pollack to get all that damn porn off his ship!
Sounds like he should have received a medal for dedicated and proactive service as Ship’s Mirale Officer.
Morale
Damn iPhone.
You’re right. There were a LOT of long faces when the CO ordered all those fuckbooks off the boat.
I’ve heard of that practice too, Jonn. But I also hear some people like variety as well as new pr0n from time to time, too. Kinda hard to download new things (of any type) from the Internet if/when there’s no connectivity.
Regardless – the dude was stupid, and is about to get an appendage hammered flat to about 1mm thickness. IMO he’ll be lucky to leave with an OTH. I’m guessing they hang the guy out to dry as an example.
If this is true, said Sailor needs to spend lots of time on bread and water. He’ll probably get Captain’s Mast which luckily on a ship he can’t refuse in lieu of a court martial.
Oh how time changes things. We returned from a 9 month deployment. We were all in formation getting ready to be sent on liberty. Dependents and family were all behind us eagerly awaiting our dismissal. My entire unit did an about face and saluted my wife, including the CO. She saluted back and said, ‘Your Welcome’. Being married to a stripper had it moments. Semper Fi.
Now, I don’t care what anyone says. THAT is funny!
Hondo, one SD card can contain more porn than an entire boomer or SSN could carry back in the 80’s and 90’s, Internet be damned.
And yeah, hammer this fucker. Hard.
Hell, NHSparky – I know that. But only if you’re talking photos. 16GB holds a helluva lot of 4MB photos – four thousand, give or take. Bigger cards are available.
If you’re talking video, different story. Hi-res video eats storage space like it was M&Ms. Storing lots of hi-res video on a card isn’t really all that feasible.
You still have a point, though. 1TB portable hard drives (approx 1000GB each) are cheap – and those can hold a sh!tload of video. Bigger ones are available. If they’re USB external based on 2.5″ mechanisms, they’ll fit in a shirt pocket. Add a cable and laptop or tablet, and you’ve got an instant theater.
Concure Hondo! A 2TB (that’s terabytes) usb drive was under $90 the otherday. That’s roughly 2,000 GBs or enough to hold over 1,000 hrs of HD movies, if you go down in resolution to std tv about well over 2990 hrs. That’s a conservative estimate, milage will verry based on resolution and file format.
Times do change. Back in the early 70’s we had actual magazines. With glossy pages and everything. Well, they started out glossy, after Westpac they were a little worn out and sticky. LOL
You forgot to add “Get off my lawn you kids!!”
I’m callin’ bullshit on this one. A tuber videoing a naked woman? Nahhh. A tuber videoing a naked guy? More believable. 100 men leave; 50 couples return.
Jonn makes it hard with these stories. It such a target rich environment. You know with all the bubbles and soap around the head.
Dated a sailor one time; stopped dating him when I found out he was picking up Greek sailors when they came into port.
True story.
OMG!
They’re right! Truth IS stranger than fiction!
Lost my lunch
Old saying “it ain’t gay if you’re underway, but it might be queer if you’re at the pier”
Numbnutz, he lacked enough game to be in the shower. Dive, Dive, Dive, I should probably not be on a boat where women are going down. Then again…..
I would cum from that deployment as a Seaman. WTF do they expect?
Knuckle dragging neanderthal.
I am trying to evolve, it just take so much time.
😀
I’d rather be on a boat where the women are going down vice the men…..
I’ll be here all week.
Try the veal and remember to tip the waitstaff
Dumbass.
Shit bird about to be sent on his way…OTH?
I would push for a big chicken dinner.
Me, too.
I think I need to see the video before I can make a judgement call here…
Concur. It is not fair to sit in judgment without first seeing the alleged evidence.
Two out of the three you really don’t want to see. The third is married and I’m guessing that her husband (a male!) is none too happy.
He is done. No NJP. This case will be handled by the NYS Senator in Charge of Military Sex Based Crimes.
This behavior will not stand. Not in my Navy.
Unfortunately as indicated above it will be politicized.
Prun, huh?
I could understand it when ships were out for up to 6 months, and women were stationed on board ships unless it was nurses on a hospital ship. But now? With co-ed crews?
This guy has a real problem. He shouldn’t just be kicked out of the Navy. If you guys don’t get that he’s a sexual predator, you’re asleep at the wheel.
Keep your families away from him. Is he looking at kiddie prn, too? Snap out of it. What he’s done is, as with SV, only the tip of the iceberg.
On a serious note, I don’t give a shit if they were out at sea for years. He invaded their privacy and should have the shit kicked out of him. A ship is a dark and dangerous place at night. He is a creeper but making a leap to child porn is a bit much.
Dave Hardin: agreed. IMO a voyeur and a child molester are very different kinds of perv. I think it’s much more likely the guy is the former vice the latter.
I’m guessing he ends up with the (in)famous “BCD-Special” and gets at least the BCD part. IMO political pressure will guarantee at least that much if not the max (BCD, busted to E1, full forfeiture, and a year’s confinement).
Nitpick: A BCD special court-martial can only give 2/3 forfeiture for a year, not full forfeiture. You need a general court-martial for full forfeitures.
Alberich: thanks for the correction. My memory is definitely fallible.
We had a guy in our squadron who was a perv. Tried to pick up a girl in PI who was MAYBE 14. He was blocked in the attempted and a few weeks later while we were at sea, he SOMEHOW got tangled up in his blankets late at night and a bunch of bars of soap accidentally fell on him… repeatedly.
You are both Neandertals. BOTH of you.
And I’m feeling nice today.
Sorry, Ex-PH2, but my opinion here is that this guy is more of the “look but won’t touch” type. Don’t believe that’s generally true about pervs that favor child pr0n – so I think you’re wrong in saying he might be a child pr0n type.
Not excusing the guy’s behavior – this was pretty low. But he’s going to get royally hammered, and I really don’t think this guy is anywhere near the same kind of threat you think he is.
Hack’s wife, Rosetta, had friend married to a SSgt. While I was doing my last tour in Okinawa, I heard through the grapevine that he got busted while on a West Pac for accessing porn on a government computer. Then he got busted for doing up skirt videos at the Camp Pendleton PX. He was court martialled, busted down to E1, and six months in the brig. I told my wife that it was more than just porn. That kind of punishment usually means kiddie porn. Once he was released and discharged, allegations came up that he was molesting his kids. Last time I checked, he was still making license plates for the state of California, and he cuts a dashing figure in that orange jumpsuit that he is wearing for his Registered Sex Offender photo.
Hondo, whats ne and ertals mean? Sounds latin but I dont think its a good thing. Typing with knuckles like this ain’t so easy, where is the compassion?
How many here have read Joe Haldeman’s “The Forever War?” I think that may be the ultimate solution here.
Who wouldn’t want to live someplace called Middle Finger? John Norman did a series called Gor about the same time.
Liberty call.
Via tube 1.
Jackass FTB or MT, Wardroom hot water heater in void forward of Missile Control Center, used to secure it to move the O-gang showers more interesting for them, or if someone was a water hog.
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rgr1480,
The water heater for the officer’s head was located somewhere the Missile Techs could access it unseen, so they would occasionally shut off the hot water to make the officer’s showers “more interesting”. They especially picked on those officers who where not conserving potable water by taking too long of a shower. Basic Bubblehead entertainment.
Better?
Wait a minute. I distinctly remember a guy who called himself Barnacle Bill saying that you squidical types bathed with seawater while underway. What gives?
Of course, I also hear that Barnacle Bill got the heave-ho from the Navy for not being PC about the same time that Jody and the monkey from the coconut grove did from the Army. (smile)
That’s easy for YOU to say!
This is my shocked face. No, really, I’m astounded that integrating a predominately male force in a little-bitty boat, underwater, with a few females would cause problems of this nature. LUDICROUS
“…cause problems of this nature.”
LanceCooley, I’m not trying to start a fight or put you on the spot; I am truly curious about this comment. What happened wasn’t just “heing and sheing” — this was a predatory act that offended the position and dignity of the women involved. Like others have pointed out, pr0n is available to sailors on boats now. This was an act meant to demean those women, to isolate them from their status as crewmembers. Do you see this? Would it have made a difference to you if one of those women had been your sister? My point is that NO sexual act of any kind is acceptable if BOTH parties aren’t able to give consent — which the women could not do in this case.
You’re a man, and an adult, raised in and a part of an “enligtened” country of the twenty-first century, and I would like to know why and how you can toss off this behavior so lightly — why YOU don’t question this man’s behavior.
Well, if it occurred over the course of a year, the photographer is looking at a gazillion years in prison. Like writing a series of bad checks, each occurrence is a separate crime. And, of course, his crimes are probably the absolute worst that can be committed in today’s Navy, which is striving diligently to be the most liberal and politically correct branch of the service. He is toast.
2/17 Ditto!
No doubt that this guy gets well deservidly hammerd hard.
According to reports, the pics/video were “widely” shared around the submarine community, until an officer on another boat received a copy and reported the incident.
It won’t surprise me if the Navy selectively goes after a few of sailors (especially if there are any NCO/Officers available) who recieved/viewed the material and chose to do nothing. That is the bigger signal.
So my impression of what you said is that it’s okay for a butthurt E-5 jerk to get some kind of petty revenge on women who were far senior to him, because it’s the Navy?
Would you feel that same way if it was your wife and daughters being videotaped without their knowledge by a neighbor who had set up an optical cable and VCR in the attic?
The circumstance of that last event actually happened, so how is it okay on a Navy ship but the neighbor is a sexual predator if it’s not on a ship?
Think before you answer that.
This kind of petty revenge behavior is not about PC. It’s about a lack of common decency and a complete lack of respect for people the sailor work with who happened to be women. As revenge, it fails.
So which is it? It’s okay if it’s the Navy, but it’s not okay if it’s your nect door neighbor?
If this jackass is your own brother and he does things like this on some sort of ‘get even’ vendetta, do you want to be connected to someone who has to register as a sex offender everywhere he goes?
Why is it NOT okay in a civilian work environment where men and women have to work together, sometimes at close quarters, but it’s okay on a Navy ship where men and women have to work together at close quarters? What the hell does political correctness have to do with this?
The women on that sub are sub sailors with jobs to do. Do you think it’s fun to be on the receiving end of a constant barrage of gross jokes and pokes and pinches when you’re trying to work?
Belive me, it is NOT fun or funny.
I’m curious about something else, too. At what age does a girl become fair game? You’d kill anyone who did this to your daughter, but when it’s a woman you don’t know, then stopping it and disciplining the perps is somehow PC?
No, that wasn’t a pretty question, but it’s one that needs to be asked. On the one hand, our men decry women being treated as chattel, and then they turn around and do precisely that. All this is, is aggression in a more suble form. Stopping it has nothing to do with being PC.
Actually, ladies, I think both of you are misinterpreting 2/17 Air Cav’s comment above. I don’t see any “boys will be boys/it’s OK” there at all. What I get out of it is two things:
1. The guy is potentially looking at a large number of individual charges, each of which could possibly get him a year or more in confinement.
2. The Navy has arguably become the most politically correct of the services regarding such matters (probably tracing to Tailhook). That in turn has created a political climate that ensures the guy will get hammered bigtime – along with anyone else involved.
If you doubt the latter point, Google “Tailhook” and “Robert Stumpf” and do some actual research over and above the puff-piece articles in the mainstream media. Along with the jerks and idiots who were justifiably hammered due to Tailhook, for political reasons a rather large number of innocent guys were outright railroaded during that abomination of an “investigation”. And also for political reasons, questionable conduct (IMO, outright misconduct) on the part of at least one of the accusers at Tailhook was hushed up.
You’ve made a good point Hondo, with respect to the “Tailhook” investigation — that innocent men were railroaded. Witch hunts don’t help, and innocent men losing their careers and going to jail isn’t justice.
Hondo, I was making some points that need to be made.
Sexual harrassment on the job did not become a punishable offense until US Supreme Court Code Title VII of the EEOC made people who engaged in it legally liable for what they do. That was in 1964.
No, I was not going on about ‘boys will be boys’, because women have been guilty of doing the same things to men, in both civilian and military jobs.
That wasn’t my point, which was and is that you can’t have it both ways. If it is NOT okay in one environment, then it is NOT okay in ANY environment, civilian or otherwise.
And my point, Ex-PH2, was that the best I can tell no one here has said it was “OK” – period. The closest anyone has come was to call it predictable. That’s not at all the same as saying something is “OK”.
The former point is particularly true about 2/17 Air Cav’s comment above. He observed the guy was possibly going to get hammered even harder than most of us realized, and that prevailing politics would guarantee that. And he’s right on both points.
I haven’t been on a modern submarine so maybe you sailors out there can answer this, but is it even possible to have privacy on a submarine? How does that work? Do you have two separate showers, one for the 100+ males and another for the 4 females on board? Is that an efficient use of space?
Which brings up a whole other topic which is our societal attitudes about nudity and sex. Maybe we need those “Starship-Troopers” style co-ed showers?
“dead sailor walking”. That was funny and true in this case.
I just returned to the other pc and I see that some dust has been kicked up. Evidently, my words, my intent in choosing and using them, and what others do with them are two different things. So, I’ll leave it at that, rather than say something I might actually have to apologize for.
AC, even though I questioned what you said above, it wasn’t to attack you, it was to learn from you. Women and men think differently, and write differently, too. If this group, who for the most part like and respect each other, can’t talk to each other and question each other…well. It doesn’t say much for the rest of humanity, does it?
2/17AirCav, if you thought I was aiming at you personally, I should have been more clear about that, because I was not. If you misunderstood and thought I was, I apologize for not being more clear.
However, I did mean every one of those questions I asked because they address specific issues which have nothing to do with the PC stuff.
I don’t feel like I was attacked. When attacked, I tend to react accordingly, growling, drooling–that sort of thing. And none of that happened. My reaction was more a head scratcher, like, where the heck did that come from? In any event, I am not the representative or spokesman for the world’s males. If I were, I would outlaw gays. (There, now that should piss off somebody.) My point was that not only will the peeping tom filmmaker pay dearly for his crime, but he is eligible for getting an unofficial enhanced penalty for upsetting the Navy’s apple cart. The Navy has worked very hard trying to train heterosexuality out of its people. This will hurt that effort. That’s all. Nothing more.
Nevertheless, I want to make it clear that I did not mean to seem to be aiming at you in particular.
I always thought it was bad enough that I had to see male coworkers shower, and sure didn’t want to expand on that level of TMI. Showering isn’t exactly super-hot like it is in the movies.
Your comment reminds me of the film within a film made by the Zucker Brothers (Airplane). The movie Kentucky Fried Movie had series of short films, including Cleopatra Schwartz, A Fistful Of Yen, and Catholic High School Girls In Trouble, which has a shower scene well worth the $5 you would pay for in the WalMart Video Bargain Bin.
Point that appears to have been missed by everyone:
Video camera on board a missile submarine…..recording everything. It was there for over a year…..and the officers on board knew about it and didn’t consider it a security risk.
How was the command able to condone the criminal introduction of recording equipment into a sensitive area?
If an E5 can put surveillance equipment on board a sub, who else can?
Probably not the issue to raise at a time that the Air Force is undergoing a purge of it’s nuclear forces……..
I’m positive everyone on the sub has at least one video and audio recording device.
It’s 2014.
Are submarines accredited as SCIFs? Nuclear weapons, launch codes, end of the world scenarios would lead me to think so.
I have no experience on Trident class boats, but my experience in 640 class makes me wonder… Where the fuck did he hide the camera??