Turkey vs. US vs. IS vs. PKK

| October 20, 2014

The politics of involving Turkey in the war against ISIS are complicated. The Turks joined in the airstrikes last week and sent their first load of ordinance at the PKK – the Kurdish organization which has been at war with the Turkish Government, the Iraqi government and the Iranian government for decades, but the PKK’s main focus these days has been against ISIS/ISIL/Islamic State troops.

The PKK and the Kurds have been trying to reinforce beleagured defenders of that town in Syria, alternately called Kobane or Kobani by the media. Turkey hindered that reinforcement. According to the Associated Press, that has put US interests at odds with Turkey’s interests;

Kobani desperately needs troop reinforcements, but because the Islamic State controls the Syrian territory between Iraqi Kurdistan, which might be willing to provide them, and Kobani, there’s almost no way to send in additional forces except via Turkey.

And this is where Obama’s second confrontation comes in—with Turkey’s president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan. The two now are in flat disagreement over the fate of the enclave, which lies directly on the Syrian-Turkish border. Ankara is willing to let it fall, and Washington clearly isn’t.

The rulers of Kobani, the Democratic Union Party or PYD, are affiliated with the separatist Kurdistan Worker’s Party or PKK, which has waged a 30-year guerrilla war against the Turkish state. Turkey, the United States and the European Union all have labeled the PKK as a terrorist organization.

Yeah, well the fight against ISIS has become a mess, what with Iran and Hezbollah joining the war, but Turkey may have relented says Reuters;

Turkey said on Monday it would allow Iraqi Kurdish fighters to reinforce fellow Kurds in the Syrian town of Kobani, while the United States air-dropped arms for the first time to help the defenders resist an Islamic State assault.

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said Washington had asked Ankara to help “get the peshmerga or other groups” into Kobani so that they could help defend the town on the Turkish frontier, adding that he hoped the Kurds would “take this fight on”.

If the reinforcements come through, this may mark a turning point in the battle for Kobani, a town that has become a frontline of the battle to foil Islamic State’s attempt to reshape the Middle East.

According to the Washington Post, the US air-dropped weapons and ammunition to the fighters in Kobani/Kobane;

Turkey had opposed delivering weapons to Kobane’s Syrian Kurds because of their affiliations with a Kurdish group in Turkey that began an insurgency three decades ago.

But the U.S.-dropped supplies and possible fresh fighters are expected to give a big boost to the battle against the Islamic State advance on Kobane, which is within sight of the Turkish border and has been the target of escalating American-led airstrikes.

So I watched Pentagon spokeman, Admiral Kirby on Fox this morning and he says that the only reason Kobane/Kobani is important to us is because it’s important to ISIS. That makes no sense to me. We should be choosing targets to destroy or “degrade” ISIS instead of fighting the war they want us to fight. And soothing Turkish sensibilities shouldn’t be part of that war. We’ve poured billions into the Turkish Armies and Air Forces with no real return on our investment. We should clamp down on our assistance to them until they wholeheartedly engage with ISIS instead of pursuing their own agenda to wipe out the Kurds.

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Green Thumb

Unequivocal support for the Kurds.

Sparks

Green Thumb…Absolutely agree. And the next time Turkish jets unload on any Kurds of any flavor who are the only ones truly taking the fight to ISIS, then we lay down the law to the Turks, with no apologies. You guys either get on board with this fight or when ISIS invades Turkey, you’re on your own and you can expect NO support of resupplies from America. Screw the Turks. This is as much their fight as anyone else in the region and if they can’t figure that out, then let ISIS cross on over into Turkey and they can go it alone.

Green Thumb

Word.

Gravel

Not one F’n penny more.

I’m sick of sending money and military aid and training to alleged allies who have absolutely zero desire to actually be allies.

Pick one damn side (I vote for Israel and after them the Kurds) and let the chips fall as they may. To hell with Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Kuwait, Hezbollah, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Dubai, UAE, Qatar, Afghanistan, Pakistan and the rest of them.

tc

This

Mustang1LT

De-list the PKK and warn Erdogan that we’ll leave him twisting in the wind if he doesn’t play ball. If he does the right thing, worst case, the Turks lose a little territory to an independent Kurdistan. If he doesn’t help, let him know that we won’t lift a finger to help him when his Islamist buddies come knocking on his door. That reputation of Turks being good soldiers is way overrated; the only successful combat they’ve seen in modern times is against the Greeks and those guys can’t fight their way out of a wet paper bag.

Sparks

LT…Spot on Sir! It’s time the Turks read the writing on the wall. Unfortunately, if we wait for Obama and Kerry to do the writing, I shudder to hear what it will be. Someday, soon I hope, someone in Washington HAS to grow a pair and use them.

Green Thumb

I agree.

George V

Good point on fighting the war we want to fight and not just where ISIS wants to fight. I’m no tactician but perhaps there’s a logic to letting ISIS have Kobani and then…
1) The Turks get to worry about ISIL on their border.
2) ISIL has to worry about the Turks and keep Kobani fortified.
3) If ISIL leaves a small force in Kobani the Turks move in to take it back. Not sure if that’s something they would actually do, however.

Sparks

George V…I’m no tactician either but thank you. You made some excellent points.

Richard

Y’all make sense but I wonder why. Why exactly has the US supported Turkey all these years? They do control the Bosporus so they can keep the Russian Black Sea fleet contained. Is that it? At one point, we had a glorious ELINT post in Synop, due south of the Crimea – the only Soviet beach that is actually warm in the summer. Is that it? Turkey is north of Syria and Iraq, both have been pretty unpleasant since WW2. Is that it? The Greeks fell deeply in love with communism; Turkey is due east of Greece. Is that it? The US has had some nice bases there; sometimes we get to use them, other times not so much – think of why we couldn’t invade Iraq from the north in 2003. These days Erdogan is being Muslim and doesn’t like us. In the past other rulers of Turkey were more friendly.

That bring up another question, does anyone really know why NATO has resisted Turkish membership for all these years? The Ottomans are gone and have been gone since roughly 1900. Are the English still angry about Gallipoli? Is someone upset about Cyprus?

I like the Turks I know but Turkey has been a problem for the US and I wonder why.

Farflung Wanderer

Simple: Implement a Coalition no-fly zone.

If you’re not going to drop bombs on ISIS, you have no place in the air. Continue to fly, and you’ll take the fast way down.

Grimmy

Ever since the Turk pulled that last minute bullshit on the 4th ID, I’ve been wanting to see Turkland burn, on live tv, while I munch meself some tasty popcorn… and cheer for the burners.

jonp

I agree with helping the Kurds defend themselves and take on ISIS as a side benefit but asking Turkey to arm a group that has been engaging in a long standing guerrilla war with them to carve out a separatist state would be like having La Raza waging a war to take over southern Arizona for decades and the Mexican Government suddenly asking us to arm them to fight off the Cartels.

Green Thumb

Not really.

The PKK would come to the table if the Turks would stop their ongoing military offensive(s) and also quite persecuting Kurds within their own borders.

Duncan Mcdonut

Turkey has always been fickle. Even when I was stationeda at incirlik in the early 90s with all the Provide Comfort stuff going on it was jacked up. The status of forces agreement is insane. They AF was driving busses with 68 and older serial numbers (anything the US leaves unused for a certain amount of time becomes Turkish property..some of the Turkish NCO housing was former USAF quonset hut type barracks from the 50s . It was a well known secret that the Turkish mafia runs the majority of local civilian work contracts on the base. Two BX shipments are brought in.. one for the BX and one for the blackmarket/mafia to steal (area behind the post office downtown adana was off limits to us GIs). Base Laundry had a whole shipment of washed and Starched BDUs stolen. Last I heard the new commissary was being built right along a perimeter fence.
Despite having been married to a Turkish woman (No, she wasn’t a rip off alley chick…we met in germany way after my AF days) I hate the damn place..as did she. Shut the ‘lik down and move it to Romania or Bulgaria. It may be a little extra flight time but a lot less headache and security risk. Just as the Germans in the Eifel/Hunsruck wanted us out…they sure as hell miss the security, jobs, and economic boost us “amis” provided when we were there. Let them all have what they wish for.