Ryan Payne; Bundy Ranch Security phony Ranger

| May 9, 2014

Ryan Payne

Leslie sends us a link to the story of a group of real Army Rangers who questioned whether or not the Bundy Ranch Security head dude was an Army Ranger like them.

Other veterans had their suspicions about Ryan Payne early-on, and began to do some checking on his military record. When they asked around in the Ranger community, no one had ever heard of a Ranger named Ryan Payne. This lead Georgia Ranger veteran Danny Harrington to directly contact the Airborne Ranger Training Brigade at Ft. Benning, Georgia, to run a “tab” check. The staff at the Ranger Training Brigade confirmed that no person named Ryan Payne had attended Ranger School between the years 2000 and 2014. I have included the e-mail string between Harrington and the Ranger School that paralleled the investigation into Payne below. Below that, I have included an audio interview with Ranger, Danny Harrington, recounting how he then called the Bundy Ranch and spoke to Payne personally and “outed” Payne’s deceit. On the phone, Ryan Payne admitted that he had never gone to Ranger School and had never served in an actual Ranger unit.

Payne article from Wayback Machine

You can go to the link above to the Northwest Liberty News and read the whole story. Apparently, in this video at DailyPaul.com, Payne also called for Stuart Rhodes to step down as the leader of Oathkeepers for leaving the “field of battle” at the Bundy Ranch. While I’d like to see Rhodes get fired, I don’t think they should follow a phony Ranger. but anyone who didn’t expect phonies to show up at the Bundy Ranch was just kidding themselves.

Added 4-22-2016; We finally got a FOIA for Payne after four attempts. Three came back “no service” but I checked around the community and folks remembered him, so we kept going back. No Ranger training, no service in a traditional Ranger unit;

Payne FOIA

Payne FOIA 2

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Combat Historian

Damn, for a second I thought this phony was the head of security at “Bunny Ranch”, which is another kind of ranch in Nevada, the kind with tarts…

Mustang2LT

Pop Tarts?
I love the ‘Smores flavored ones!

Wait….what?
Never mind.

🙂

Valerie

You can find pop tarts in Nevada, but they tend to be concentrated in Las Vegas.

Green Thumb

This dude like Pop Tarts in the two hole.

Fucking turd.

Pinto Nag

I’m not surprised that the Bundy situation has drawn posers. Bad tree, bad fruit.

HS Sophomore

I was wondering how long it would take before we started catching phonies among the Bundy Ranch morons. All of the militia groups are absolutely shot full of them. Yet another reason I stay at least a thousand miles from those folks.

Hondo

Forgive me for observing the obvious, youngster – but if you’re in any part of CA, you’re less than 1000 miles from those fools. (smile)

Yeah, we know what ya mean. Just giving you a little grief. You’ve shown you can handle it. (smile)

HS Sophomore

I guess you’re right (face palm). At least in my neck of the wood we only have condescending overly privileged libs. They might piss me off, but at least they don’t block off public roads and set up illegal checkpoints.

tm

It gets better: Payne is from Ontario, in the beloved 909
I live in “The OC” so I get to say that 😉

A Proud Infidel®

Militias, Airsoft and paintball clubs, and Gun Shows are chock full of posers. I went to a Gun Show a few years back wearing my favorite t-shirt which has “Afghanistan Hunting Club” emblazoned on the front when I came across a few twenty somethings wearing Middle-East themed ball caps,and they looked nervous when I walked up to them. They couldn’t answer me when I asked the right questions, “When were you there, what u it were you with?”… And they slithered off as soon as I turned around around to say “Hi” to a friend. I used to automatically have respect for anyone wearing any kind of Veteran apparel, but anymore, I have a “YEAH, PROVE IT!” attitude!

HS Sophomore

“Militias, Airsoft and paintball clubs, and Gun Shows are chock full of posers…”

Yup. All of ’em, everywhere. Second only to IVAW and the Sons of Confederate Veterans for greatest amount of fakers per capita.

Just an Old Dog

HSS,
How many Sons Of Confederate Veterans are in your neck of the woods? I have found many of them to be nutty as Squirrel Shit.
The most common trend I found about them ( at least back in the late 90s) was that they tended to get the name and copy of a photo of a Confederate officer and say it was their Great Great Grandpa.
I am 3X qualified to be a member but I dont think I could stand being in the same room as 90% of them for more than 10 minutes.

A Proud Infidel®

I used to do Civil War reenactments, and while I was in a good unit with legit Vets, yeah, there were “Former SF, SEAL, Rangers..” as well as other ex-CIA sooperdooperseekritsqwirrels all over the place elsewhere.

Pinto Nag

My ex does historical reenactments. He said that two things always come up in conversation: the other person’s great-grandmother was always a Cherokee princess, and their great-grandfather always led the last Cavalry charge!

rgr1480

Also 3x Qualified:

1. Served in the 2nd Creek War; Corporal, Co H 23rd AL Infantry died 1861 in Mobile of typhoid fever aged about 60. His wife was Creek … not a Cherokee princess. (^__*)

2. Was a lowly private in the Georgia Hussars (Savannah). Born in Ireland.

3a. Sergeant, Co. D, 66th Georgia Infantry Volunteer Regiment. Killed by a sharpshooter about a week before the war ended; buried in Wake County Oakwood Cemetery in Raleigh, NC.

3b. Son of #3a. Had his right leg shot amputated after being wounded in Decatur, ALA. They served in the same company & regiment through the battle of Atlanta.

Probably more.

rgr1480

Green Thumb

I have quite a few as well.

HS Sophomore

My encounter with them went like this: A couple of years ago, I was on a road trip to San Diego with the fam and we stop to eat at a diner in the Central Valley. I wander outside in search of a bathroom, and on my way back, I notice a table with a few guys in confederate uniforms (and some with Duck Dynasty-worthy beards) sitting at a table recruiting for the SOCV. I walked up and asked what it was and they told me what the organization and said that their purpose was to raise awareness about the nobility of the Confederate cause and fight the common narrative being promulgated by our government that the Confederacy was a morally obtuse organization and that Lincoln was a saint or some shit. I asked something along the lines of whether this was about continuing the fight for secession, and they said no, that battle is lost. And as proof, one of them (who weighed about three hundred pounds) told me that he served with the 7th Ranger Battalion in the service of the US government. Another told me that he was a decorated veteran of the 26th SFG. Uh-huh. I didn’t know nearly as much about the Armed Forces as I do now, but I remembered from somewhere that there weren’t that many Ranger Battalions and Special Forces Groups. They asked me if I was related to a Confederate veteran and if I wanted to join, so I said no, but my some-number-of-greats grandfather was General Phillip S. Sheridan, the Union Cavalry general (which, actually, is true). Did that count (and I smiled while I said it)? One of them yelled at me and called me “a fucking carpetbagger yankee” (I was in seventh grade) and threw me the finger. I scampered. When lunch was done, we walked to the car and they threw me dirty looks as I passed. I was glad to be out of there. My last encounter was a couple months before I came to TAH, if I recall correctly. I was in a history forum… Read more »

MCPO NYC USN Ret.

HS:

As a seventh grader … You should yelled, “don’t touch my wee wee like that”. This immediately creates a “witness friendly environment”.Then you should have yelled, “for the third time, don’t touch my wee wee”. As the crowd of protectors approached … You should have poked one in the eye with a sharp pencil, while kicking another in the testicles after breaking a bottle across the face of his Confederate buddy.

Just sayin’!

Remember to “create o witness friendly environment”.

HS Sophomore

Damn, you’re right. Probably too old to pull that off now, though. Oh well.

PricklyPear

Though there is no doubt that “militias” do have “wannabes”, so does the non-militia universe– in fact, almost all of the posers featured on this website are NOT militia members. Therefore I don’t think it’s very scientific to state one’s opinion that “most” militia members have no military experience as fact. Frankly, unless one has done a survey of all militia members, or at least a scientific random sampling, there is no way to know for sure. Furthermore, I don’t see anything about militias that would make being a member of one somehow inimical to the US military, or having BEEN a member of the US military. In other words, I don’t see that the equation “member of a militia = someone who can’t possibly have been in the military” could be considered automatically valid. On that same topic, regarding “wannabes” a lot of the civilian, federal armed agencies are chock full of wannabes as well– guys who wanted to go into the military, but couldn’t hack it, so settled for a civilian Fed job where they get to carry firearms but with none of the professionalism and responsibility. Or who wanted to join a real police department, but settled for something with much lower standards, responsibilities, and risks– like, say, the TSA, or “Homeland Security”. Am just tired of the “wannabe” charge, usually tried by Liberals against “militias” and the like, when their own ranks, and the ranks of so many Federal agencies, are full of the very definition of “wannabes”. Regarding the person who encountered the “20-somethings” at the gun show… I hate to break it to you, but most Iraq/Afghanistan veterans I know ARE 20-somethings. I was considered quite old when I re-upped into the military in 2001 at age 30… most of my comrades at that time were about 18… so most who joined the military on or after 2003 or so WOULD still be in their 20s… I know plenty of fellow former Marines with a lot of time in the sandbox who are still in their 20s. But enough on that. I don’t understand… Read more »

AW1 Tim

I am also eligible to join the SOCV, but I won’t because of these sorts of pricks. My ancestors came to North Carolina in the early 1600’s, and worked their way through Georgia, Alabama and on to Texas. All before 1859. 🙂

What I have found fascinating is that many of these fellows, like you say, can’t prove their lineage except through several branches family trees.

I had one exceptional experience with a fellow who didn’t like that some “damn yankee” (he heard I was down from Maine) was working in his beloved Texas. He started going on about this and that before finally hitting on the civil war, and how it was encumbant upon folks like him to keep Texas’ heritage alive and well, something a “yankee” like me could never understand.

I asked him when his folks came to Texas. He responded that they came down after WWI. They were immigrants from Italy. I responded that mine came to Texas in 1848 and that my GG Grandfather served with the 4th Texas Infantry in Lee’s army. That fellow looked like he’d bit down on a turd. He left.

I’m proud of my confederate ancestors. I’m NOT proud of how they’ve been undermined by a bunch of late-to-the-party flaming assholes with beards.

GDContractor

My Great-Great Grandfather was from Georgia and was among Lee’s forces that surrendered at Appomattox. He lost 3 brothers in the war. I am Southern as can be. However, those Maine Yankees have my undying respect and admiration.

A Proud Infidel®™

Two of my Great-Great grandfathers fought for the Union in the Civil War, but I’ve traced some Confederate lineage as well. I’ve seriously thought about joining SUCWV (Sons of Union Civil War Veterans) but I wonder if that’s just as full of doughnut-guzzling wannabes as much of the SCV?

HS Sophomore

Probably. The way I look at it, it’s one thing to celebrate your heritage and to talk with others of similar heritage or to be interested in ACW history, but a lot of these heritage/lineage organizations are filled with underachievers who are trying to catch reflected glory from their ancestors. Oh, and lying about their service to get more.

Country Singer

Concur with your last paragraph. My GggGrandfather was in the 5th Ala Inf Regt (not Battalion) from the start of the war until he caught a minnie ball in his leg in the Mule Shoe at Spottsylvania.

I went to an SCV meeting once. Never went back.

AW1 Tim

My GG Grandfather started out as 3rd Corporal of Co. F, (The Mustang Greys) of the 4th Texas. Had 4 brothers with him, and a cousin in the 5th Texas.

He ended up a Captain and surrendered at Appomattox among 110 men of the regiment.

The rest of the ancestors served in Alabama & Georgia units in the Army of Tennessee.

AW1 Tim

My son has taken to carrying a copy of his DD-214 in his wallet. He’ll be 26 soon, but looks like he’s 16. He has a CIB and jump wings from his service with the 173rd in Afghanistan.

Had some guy start hassling him because of the ballcap he was wearing and it was funny to hear my son revert to his Army Speak and give it back to the guy. Turns out the fellow giving him crap wasn’t even a veteran, just some paintball ranger who liked to play “Call of Duty”.

HS Sophomore

Hey all those n00bs he pwned on COD make him the equal of your son, right?

A Proud Infidel®

To them, playing COD all day long on their parents’ couch with a 3liter bottle of Mountain Dew, a bag of Doritos, and a 2pound bag of Skittles next to them IS JUST the same as going through Basic & AIT as well as deploying.

Fuckin’ candyassed booger-eating snotnosed wussyassed BEDWETTERS!!

HS Sophomore

“To them, playing COD all day long on their parents’ couch with a 3liter bottle of Mountain Dew, a bag of Doritos, and a 2pound bag of Skittles next to them IS JUST the same as going through Basic & AIT as well as deploying…”

I feel you; you just described a significant part of the teenage population.

FatCircles0311

I hope “Army Speak” means throat punched.

Hondo

I’m thinking it means “went into PLT SGT mode” and gave the guy a rather coarse piece of his mind using very direct and impolite language, FatCircles.

Even if the young man never made E7, in this particular case that’s completely OK with me. (smile)

OWB

Just be grateful that we are not required to belong to all the organizations and/or groups for which we qualify! It would be very schizophrenic, at a minimum, because many of us had ancestors on multiple sides of the conflicts.

Can you just imagine how much fun it would be going to the assorted sides and keeping it all straight? (Oops, that is probably a dirty word now. Should I say sorted and properly placed?)

LebbenB

Tabless POS.

Twist

I don’t have a tab, but then again I’m not a POS claiming to have one. I have nothing but respect for those that earned that tab.

LebbenB

My son is not very sentimental by nature. But he was crying when I cut the tab off my old Class A jacket and pinned it to his shoulder at his graduation last fall.

Smitty

That’s good shit brother. That tab is the greatest thing I ever could have thought to accomplish with my enlistment and I’m more proud of that tab then anything else. These posers can go fuck them selves and tell your boy way to go.

Pinto Nag

Your son will never forget that moment, LebbenB. I think the only greater pride in that moment that a father had for his son, was the pride the son had in his father.

Cas6

Holy crap, that would tear me up too. What a way to make a moment of great pride even more special.

Roger in Republic

I know what you mean. My nephew was commissioned wearing his grandfather’s (my father)dress blues. A proud day for all of us. PS. He is a Ranger with 2 tours in A’stan. One with the 101st and one with the 2nd Rangers.

OWB

Nearest I can come to that, and it’s not really even close, is bringing my father back a T-shirt from Desert Storm. Now, he never wore T-shirts as outer wear. Ever. But, he was getting one anyway!

There we were, sitting in the local diner, waiting for lunch to be served. I gave him the shirt. He put it on, over his button down, then paraded around the diner for everyone to see. Of course, everyone in there knew him, and half of them knew me, so it was one of those allergy moments for everyone.

Everyone had been very polite up until then, letting us have some alone time. They all seemed to know that it was the first time we had seen each other since before I left.

Yeah, not nearly as wonderful as your experience, LebbenB, but thanks for triggering that memory for me. How I miss that old man!

LebbenB

I never really knew my father, being raised by my grandparents. So I envy everybody who got to share times like that with their fathers.

The best compliment I ever got from my grandfather was, “Not bad. But you coulda done better.”

Jacobite

Holy shit, awesome!

+1

Martinjmpr

So Bundy’s slack jawed cretin “militia” is filled with wannabes, never-weres and other fakers?

I’m shocked. SHOCKED I SAY!!!

HS Sophomore

Environmentalists from the Muir Society ran a a study and found that the habitat around the Bundy Ranch is a breeding ground for a rare subspecies of the Greater Neverwas, scientific name Krispykremeslayorum Revolutionarywannabeis. This creature is known to inhabit the basements of its parents, Jesse Ventura speaking events, and any story with the word “tactical” in its title. They are easily recognizable for the large, black, plastic phallic extenders they carry at all times, for their obnoxiously loud American flag clothing, and for their beer guts. Said species is very combative against weaker species, but will quickly scamper after a show of dominance in social media if confronted by a member of a stronger species, such as the the Greater Federal Law Enforcer. Genetics and behavioral studies have found a strong similarities to the Bar-Dwelling Asshole, also known as the crustyfuckwholouldlyanddrunkenlydiscussesrightwingcrackpotconspiracytheoriesinabar.

HS Sophomore

*add made-up latinate ending of your choice to that last organism

Valkyrie

Hold on guys. I’ve got to get my tinfoil hat ready so that I can finish reading the comments on the linked article.

I do looove how the writer makes a few comments that we say here a lot like, “if he’ll lie about his Military service then what else is he lying about”. They hit the poser right on the pee-pee with statements like that.

I’m glad that the importance of Stolen Valor is getting around. Maybe this will help it spread to a new group that then in turns spreads it to someone else new. Having it occur in such a hot topic that’s being covered by a lot of news agencies shows how wide spread the problem is.

11Bvet

Jesus fuck! Crap like this and Harry Reid are making us Nevadans look bad…

HS Sophomore

Don’t worry, your brothels and casinos redeem you in our eyes.

rgr1480

All your base brothel are belong to us

2/17 Air Cav

Well, to borrow from a twisted line of thinking in another thread, what’s the big deal? He hasn’t infringed on us. If he wants to call himself a Ranger, that’s none of our business. See how that works, Intel pog?

charles w

While I am no expert on tactics, throughout this whole mess I saw none. One side you had the BLM and their inept swat teams, and on the other side you had inept wanna be Rangers. This would of been a blood bath on both sides. Circular firing squad comes to mind. I am with the kid on this one. Wouldn’t want to be around any of these people. Also, I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Guess that makes me an expert.

2/17 Air Cav

If the Holiday Express stay doesn’t qualify you, then your internet posting does. Bonjour.

Jacobite

Well, the blood bath has to start with someone!

Then Darwin steps in……………

CB Senior

What this dude looks legit. Just look at the T&E he’s got set up. Granny is even ammo bearing for him.

http://cdn.bearingarms.com/uploads/2014/05/bundy-ranch-rifle.jpg

HS Sophomore

Yup. No attention whoring here, people. Just keep moving right along now.

charles w

That’s too funny. Here is a link to show the possible battle.
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2014/05/06/police-shooting-frenzy-raises-concerns/

FatCircles0311

wtf that is ridiculous.

charles w

Not to worry. It did raise concern. Top men I tell you.

OWB

These valor thieves just take the cake. They are attention whores, drama queens, and generally lying fools.

Only fools would try to sell their easily verified lies to a national audience. They just can’t seem to help themselves. Not that they have a character defect which causes it or anything. But they get so caught up in the attention they are getting that they have no ability to think beyond the next 5 minutes of fame.

Pitiful.

A Proud Infidel®™

Just like armed robbers, drug dealers, thieves, etc., they can’t see even five minutes into the future, and all they want is instant gratification RIGHT NOW!!

ohio

I had to take 20 soldiers of my detachment with a ranger bn. as part of the RSE (Ranger Support Element). According the stolen valor thieves, this would justify wearing the tab. Bunch of lying dipshits.

ArmyATC

Phonies have shown up at the Bundy ranch!!! I’m shocked, I tell ya, shocked!!! I’ll bet most of those “militia” guys have never served a day in their lives.

NR Pax

And that’s why I avoid militias and Oathkeepers.

A Proud Infidel®™

Forget the militias, I’m certain that they’re loaded with FBI Informants these days.

Hack Stone

During the mid 1990’s, when it seemed that every talk show on television was running segments on militias (quite often the Michigan Militia), I made the observation that these militias seem to have only two ranks, Colonel and General. Has anyone ever encountered a militia member with the rank of Corpiral or 1st Lieutenant?