Washington Post; Pain & Pride
The Washington Post has an article on Sunday they titled After the Wars; A legacy of pride and pain, of course it’s about the current newest generation of veterans, and basically, it’s just how the Post blames Bush for taking us to war and helps veterans feel like victims of the Republicans. Of course they do a good job of that, if you read the comments after the article. However, there is a portion with which I agree.
The vets hail from families where service in the military is tradition: More than four in 10 have fathers who were in the military, and half have at least one grandparent who was. Almost 40 percent say all or most of their friends have served in the military. By contrast, a national Kaiser Family Foundation poll conducted in December found that 32 percent of U.S. adults had “hardly any” or no friends who have been in the military.
Slightly more than half yearn for their time in the wars. Of them, almost two-thirds cited the bonds they forged with fellow military personnel. “It was a unique time,” said Kevin Ivey, a retired Army helicopter pilot who spent a year in Afghanistan starting in 2004. “I miss my crew, the folks I was with, the organization. You make lifelong friendships in war.”
Many vets see themselves as a cut above the rest of American society, as noble volunteers who stepped up to promote and protect U.S. interests while the rest of the nation went about its business as usual. Sixty-three percent think service members are more patriotic than those who are not in the military; 54 percent think the average member of the military has better moral and ethical values than the general civilian population.
Almost seven in 10 feel that the average American routinely misunderstands their experience, and slightly more than four in 10 believe the expressions of appreciation showered upon veterans — often at airports, bars and sporting events — are just saying what people want to hear. More than 1.4 million vets feel disconnected from civilian life.
“A lot of vets find it easier to talk to each other, especially about their wartime experiences,” said Jennifer Smolen, who served in Iraq for a year with an Army Reserve engineer unit and is now an active member of a Seattle area American Legion post. “There’s a feeling that civilians who weren’t there just don’t get it.”
Yeah, I spent a night trying to drink Silver Spring, Maryland dry with some Afghanistan veterans and that’s pretty much what I told them, like the Vietnam veterans before them, they did what they knew in their hearts what most of the country couldn’t burden themselves with. When it’s all said and done, that’s what it boils down to. There are tough jobs that most people aren’t willing to do, especially if they have to put their lives and their families on hold. Besides, someone they don’t know will probably do the job for them.
But, if they do happen to know someone who goes to war to protect them, boy, you’ll hear mentioned in every conversation to prove their own patriotism that their cousin’s brother-in-law’s neighbor is in Afghanistan.
The readers at the Washington Post have a very low opinion of veterans and the troops and they make things up about them, like that teacher we talked about from Butte Community College last week.
They think that we don’t have a choice other than military service, that we can’t get into college because we’re poor or we’re stupid. But, they get into college, and most of them have to take remedial classes and get a four-year degree in six years. Poor has nothing to do with anything – everyone can get loans and grants these days. Especially if you’re poor. Maybe that argument worked well with my generation, but in this day and age not so much.
And who says that college is the end-all, be-all? My office was all college graduates and they were the dumbest people I’ve known. I went to college twenty years after I graduated from high school, and I didn’t learn a damn thing that I hadn’t learned already in high school. College is just an excuse these days to continue living off your parents while you put off making decisions about your future for four-to-six more years.
Obviously, veterans didn’t put off that decision. We hang out with each other because we already have life pretty much figured out. We know what real poverty is, and we’ve seen it. Poverty doesn’t exist in the US. We’ve seen the worst that people do to each other.
We’ve seen the government at it’s worst and at it’s best and we understand that there’s not much difference between the two. We also know the difference between a job and a profession, and it has nothing to do with a pretty certificate on a wall.
This generation doesn’t have hippies spitting on them in airports, but they have the media and the liberals doing the soft-classism bit in the job market. Every time a veterans farts in public, it’s news. yes, they run the news stories about the veteran heroes who rush into buildings, but those stay in the news for a day or so. But when a fricken World War II veteran shoots up the Holocaust Museum, it stays in the news for months, until he finally dies awaiting trial.
A bigot who was thrown out of the Army more than a decade ago happens shoots up a temple and the VETERAN part of his history leads the news for months. The lies and exaggerations get to the point where a 21-year-old can’t get a sales job at Macy’s because she’s too scary to put on the sales floor based on her experiences during her deployments.
Sure, it’s because the straights don’t understand our experiences, but it’s because the media only want to lead with the blood on our hands – the same hands with which we hold our children and hug our wives and stroke our pets. The same hands with which we begin friendships and do our jobs.
But the real killer of the article is this part;
Only 53 percent of them believe the war in Afghanistan has been worth fighting, and just 44 percent say the same for Iraq. Slightly more than a third — almost 900,000 vets — “strongly” believe the Iraq war was not worth it.
Yeah, well, ask any American if the world isn’t just little bit better without Saddam Hussein and his sons in it. Ask them if they wish bin Laden was still alive. I’m not going to defend the ways in which those wars were fought, but the fact that we needed to fight them can’t be diminished.
The Washington Post was never on the troops’ side while the wars were being fought, neither were many of the Washington Post’s readers and all that did was encourage our enemies. Touting our too-soon withdrawal from Iraq and the one coming up in Afghanistan probably contributed to “not worth it” poll result. al Qaeda is sitting pretty in Falujah and they’re kicking ass leading up to the Afghan election.
That can all be laid at the feet of the anti-war crowd who can’t support the military during a Republican presidency because of their petty politics. The troops have done their job despite who was in the White House and they did it without wavering, it’s too damn bad that the people they’re doing that for can’t give them the same consideration.
But, at least we have each other. And the only secret handshake to get accepted into our circle is to speak our name. Our name resonates across the generations, from each of our country’s wars. We have veterans from every conflict since and including the Korean War here and each of us has been accepted upon arrival. Well, with the exception of the liars.
Thanks to Chief Tango for the link.
Category: Media, Terror War
I have no regrets, if I take nothing else away from my time in service (pension or benefits) my time in Iraq is something that I will always take great pride in.
I do dread the inevitable movies that are sure to come. The ones where everyone is expected to sit in stunned silence at the grim and horrible reality of how terrible it all was. I intend to go and complain loudly if at least part of the grim and horrible reality doesn’t involve having to go in a stifling, stinking port-a-john in 120 degree heat.
My only regret is for my grandson (a smart boy, but I may be biased). With the current (and near future state) of the military, I would NOT recommend a term or career in most branches, even my beloved Army. The only exception might be the Marines.
Excellent article.
Damn good article.
And so true.
Well done John. I could not agree with you more about being a college graduate. The smartest people I’ve met in my life are the guys that I served with or people that have served. I was a little apprehensive about college after serving because I had been out of high school for some time now, but when I started it I could not believe how dumb the students in my classes were. I get really pissed when I see all this stuff about employers wanting to hire veterans and paying lip service to it, or when I see that damn “I’ve got your 6” commercial with those mouth breathing celebrities. The truth of the matter is that employers do buy into the myth that the media perpetuates. We are all broken, dumb, and crazy. We are also inflexible. It could not be any further from the truth. I could put that I was an 11B on a resume and the civilian looking at just sees infantryman. You cannot really explain the life experiences and qualities that you bring to the table. But as you said we have each other and thank god for that. Keep up the good work John.
Well, said.
And this is why I hate reporters. These fuckers were nowhere to be found while the wars were going on except to point out problems as long as doing so validated their worldview. They care nothing for those of us who served and spent their youth in service to this country doing those thankless tasks that they could not be bothered to do. “What kind of government have we, Mr. Franklin?” “A Republic, if you can keep it!” Well guess what, Washington Post, thanks to subversive fifth columnists such as yourselves, we’ve lost it. Fuck off and die, WaPo!
It’s that ‘we’ thing. ‘We few, we happy few, we Band of Brothers’.
We have it. They do not.
Damn. Now I’m getting misty. I miss my time in service.
Agree, BZ
Yup.
I was riding my bike last Thursday and some guy in a car saw my Legion Rider vest and flagged me down. We pulled over and talked for a few minutes, he was in 1st of the 504th at Bragg back in the eighties. I was in the 2-325 and our time overlapped by a year. He told me he had been trying to get into the Legion Riders, but no one was talking to him. I took his phone number and email and emailed him Friday about Legion Post 99’s BBq for Vietnam Vets we were having on Saturday. He showed up and spent about five hours having a great time. Later I received an email from him telling me he felt at home and among friends for the first time since he left the Army.
Like you said ExPH2, we have it, they don’t.
“It’s that ‘we’ thing. ‘We few, we happy few, we Band of Brothers’.
We have it. They do not.”
Exactly, Ex, and they really do dislike us because of that.
Now, I have no military experience, so take what I say with as much salt as you wish.
I find that the Left’s hatred of the military stems from more than just jealousy. What I see is that soldiers don’t rely on the government. They have come to see the bureaucracy delay and impede, and in the worst case, actually cost lives. Soldiers, Marines, Sailors, Pilots… To me, they all rely on each other, not the Federal Leviathan that the Left so dearly wishes they would. So, they destroy, because the less people with that kind of bond, the more power they have.
Besides the military is overwhelming conservative, this site is evident. Downsizing the military means less people who know the truth. I also get this nagging feeling that they don’t like the military because of the oath to uphold the Constitution, not the Senate and President…
Hear hear!
Ya nailed that one Jonn. Well said and thanks.
The non-serveing public will never understand After almost 49 years I still miss our we few,we happy few. Joe
You hit the nail on the head, Jonn. Multiple times. Very well said.
When the statistic came out that the vast majority of Vietnam Veterans would do it again, even knowing the outcome, the never served and hippies couldn’t believe it. It will be the same with Panama, Grenada, DS, Iraq, and Afghanistan Veterans some day, if it already isn’t. “We” get it. Very nicely said article Jonn. Welcome to the Club all those that followed us! We love having you…more people we can actually talk to. Well done to all of y’all.
1AirCav69 I agree. I would gladly perform my tour in Vietnam again. I was proud of what I accomplished and prouder still of the fine men I served with.
Very well said article. I am very proud of the military in both wars. I have been privileged to work along side our Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines in both Iraq and Afghanistan as a slimy civilian.
Little story–When I got out of the Marines following the Gulf War, I went to college where I met my eventual wife. I remember when we were going to school, having the conversation with her on how irresponsible and lazy the younger crowd was. I remember telling her at the time that I feared for the future of this nation if war ever came that required sacrifice and effort that was clearly not in the lexicon of these spoiled kids I went to school with.
Well, after returning from Iraq, and as I am packing now, getting ready to return after 2 years in Afghanistan and I can tell you, these young men and women (not kids) should be proud of the work they did. They did their best even if the whiny anti-war crowd screwed the pooch with their faux support. I was so wrong those years ago.
Jonn thank you and I wish I had the wisdom to add anything to your posting. But I don’t. It stands grandly, on its own merit. Thank you again and I thank all of you veterans here, from the old dude types like me, to all you younger vets, for serving. May the time come when our nation holds our veterans in the esteem they deserve. They don’t ask for accolades, just respectful recognition for doing a necessary job.
The only regret I have is that I got in at 21 and not at 17.
Perhaps this is a sign of the times. Home Depot has a 10% discount for vets. Last year, one could claim to be a vet with no questions asked. One also got a discount on everything in the store. Something has happened because the rules have changed and become tighter. Perhaps the posers took advantage?? BZ