Another .762 caliber rifle found
You might remember last week that the Washington Times reported that one of the Fast & Furious weapons found at crime scenes in Mexico was a .762 caliber rifle. This week, it’s NBC that saw one of these rifles at the brief school shooting in Georgia yesterday;
A photo of [Michael Brandon Hill, the shooter] holding a rifle, believed to be the same one used in Tuesday’s shooting, was found on Hill’s cellphone, Davis said.
The rifle was a .762-caliber AK-47-style weapon, manufactured by Romarm/Cugar.
I’m pretty upset that Big Gun would create this rifle and not let me shoot one. But I guess the most fantastic part of the story is that Shooter Hill was carrying 500 rounds of ammunition for the gun. He must be The Hulk. The bullet is half again the size of a .50 caliber, so 500 rounds is quite a load.
Um, media guys, it’s 7.62 millimeter, or if you’re married to calibers, that’s a .308 caliber. Hill was still pretty sturdy for carrying 500 rounds of .308. And of course, i can make fun of it all because no one was hurt – no one was hurt because good guys with guns arrived on the scene in time. And the gunman was more interested in being famous than being a killer. Good thing he was in a gun free zone or someone might have gotten hurt. And it looks like he might have stolen the gun from a friend.
Thanks to H1 for the link.
If this turdbisquit had an AK47 style weapon, it would be using 7.62×39. Smaller than .308, but still a prodigious load at 500 rounds.
.762 caliber? Was it an antique anti-tank rifle from WWI? Effin’ morons in the media. As I think on it, I take back the moron comment because calling these media vultures that would be an insult to all the morons of the world.
Being close to the scene I can clarify if it really is needed. The 500 rounds were in a car nearby along with 3 magazines. Another funny twist on this is that some of the local on air talent make it sound as if all 500 rounds could be loaded into those same 3 magazines.
The guy was definitely mentally unbalanced and kudos to an office worker who screwed up the courage to talk the guy down as it were. He is being charged with possession of firearm by a felon based on a previous conviction for threatening to kill somebody on Facebook. The hand wringing liberals are blaming the fact that he was off his meds and there is no way to prevent somebody like this from buying a gun, except for the fact that he didn’t, you know buy the damn thing. But why let facts get in the way of a narrative. They shifted gears to well if nobody had guns he wouldn’t have been able to steal it now would he.
Oh I’ve heard of .762 caliber. It was developed especially for the AUR (Anti-Unicorn Rifle), a magazine clip-fed assault machinegun used for hunting – you guessed it – unicorns… and sometimes ground squirrels.
Yup, I have always wanted a 20mm AK rifle for my collection…
Where are these guys finding all of these antique “Brown Bess” muskets?
That must be what they are, since it’s about the only firearm I know of in anything close to .75 cal.
Or maybe the guy was really carrying a 12-gauge shotgun (normal bore diameter, approx .73″ – but can range to .80″ for an overbore) and the reporter didn’t know the difference between a rifle and a shotgun.
Yeah, the guy was a true stud if he was carrying 500 rounds of .75 cal.
A .50 cal round weighs somewhere between 110 and 132 grams, depending on type. Let’s say M2 ball, which is about 118 grams.
A .75 cal round would be much larger – let’s say 1.5x larger. Although weight typically scales with volume (which increases faster than linearly), for simplicity let’s use linear scaling. (I don’t have the inclination to do the detailed calculations for volume and weight required to get a more accurate answer tonight.) That means a .75 cal round would weigh at least 1.5 x 118 grams = 177 grams (6.24 oz) – each. In reality, they’d probably weight quite a bit more.
500 x 6.24 oz / 16 oz per pound = just under 195 lbs.
Carrying a rifle plus nearly 200 lbs of ammo? Badass.
The media is just plain too busy telling Americans we shouldn’t be trusted with weapons to actually learn anything about weapons.
And I thought that my issue .30 caliber M-1 Garand, and later my M-14 in 7.62 were some pretty powerful weapons, but .762 caliber, holy sheyit, that is one badazz weapon. But hell any LRRP Radio Operator could hump one along with his PRC-10, under that triple canopy ‘Nam forest, after skydiving from the ionisphere.
Damn! That’s a bigger calibre than my A&P57. And the canister on the A&P57 carries only 30 pounds of ammunition.
I have to crank up my volume somewhat.
On a side note, I had no idea that these DWKs coming out of college with degrees in the humanities (whatever that is) could actually get jobs that allowed them to work in a venue that lets them constantly violate the public trust by making regular mistakes about facts. And they get paid to do it, too.
Good shot Frank. I do want a .762 rifle first I could not the rifle. Who wants a rifle that kills on one end and maims on the other? Joe
Do today’s media monkey TRY to be as stupid and ill-informed as they can be, or does it just come naturally to them?
Well, this might make you guys happy. It’s a .950 centerfire rifle. It goes BOOM!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rKHXTsDcco
Not as loud as a harbor cannon, though.
Do today’s media monkey TRY to be as stupid and ill-informed as they can be, or does it just come naturally to them?
I think they take their cue from Feinstein, who has amply demonstrated a severe lack of knowledge about the weapons she wished she could ban.
A 20 MM shoulder fired weapon would get meat at both ends. If you missed with the first shot, you wouldn’t get a second. Well, not until your broken shoulder had healed and they could find your arm, and that’s only if your back was not broken. Or your neck was not dislocated. Reporters are infamous for screwing up commonly known facts. It never fails, a small plane crashes and it’s always a six place Piper Cub!
I fired a .762 rifle once. ONCE.
Sincerely, Lefty
Uh, regardless of the “.762” rifle bit, I was very impressed with the lady who rucked up and went into the line of fire for her children. There’s a special place in Heaven for folks like her.
You have to have at least half a brain to know metric and inch.
Media folks don’t have half a brain.
Face palm.
Uh, regardless of the “.762? rifle bit, I was very impressed with the lady who rucked up and went into the line of fire for her children.
Truth. Ms Tuff lived up to her name that day.
Maybe they had the decimal point in the wrong place, and he had a 762mm weapon?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MGR-1_Honest_John
Hayabusa: if he was manpacking one of those, he’s truly a stud! (smile)
Hondo,
I’ve carried a full basic load for the ACW period for several days of campaigning. Even the .58 caliber Springfield ammunition used back then weighs in at just under 5lbs for 50 rounds. Those are paper cartridges with .570 lead minnies and 68 grains of ffg black powder. 40 in the box and 10 more in the knapsack.
Must by that mag-fed 12 Guage Russky shotgun that looks like an AK… Taiga Combat Shotgun or something.
He fired One (01) round inside the school and hit the floor with the bullet. he exchanged an unknown number of rounds with police outside.
So if he had three mags in his car and one with him in the AK that means he may have fired 30 rounds of that 500 rounds.
I guess for reloads he was gonna do a low crawl out to his car and rearm.
He was a convicted felon and had three years probation for threatening his brother on facebook.
No gun laws stopped him from obtaining the rifle the ammo (I cannot find any kind of ammo for sale) and the magazines and the no gun zone signs were ignored.
Obsidian, it’s like I always have and always will say, “Gun-Free Zones” do little more than assure cowards like this perp and others that they will have a resistance-free shooting gallery!
@24
I think you’re thinking of the Saiga.
AW1 Tim: won’t debate you, amigo. Was merely pointing out that the claim that he was “carrying 500 rounds” of large-caliber modern ammo (e.g., .50 cal or larger) was ridiculous.
The ammo you’re quoting above weighed a bit less than 1.6 oz each. One could plausibly carry 500 rounds of that plus a weapon if necessary (that’s 50 lbs plus the weapon) – for at least a short while.
However, even .50 cal ammo (much lighter than a hypothetical .75 cal round) would be problematic. M2 ball weighs 117.5 grams per round – or over 4.1 oz each. That’s less than 4 rounds per pound of weight.
Doing the math yields a weight for .50 call M2 ball of over 2070 ounces – or just short of 129.5 lbs – for 500 rounds.
Short of the guy being literally the Incredible Hulk, I don’t think so.
@25 obsidian, reminds me of the Ranger Up Damn Few episode on gun control. you arent allowed to have a gun, thats cheating!
Every video of these momster caliber rifle cannot be held up to the shoulder long enough to fire to fire it. The shooter must be a rich SOB to buy 500 rounds of that size rifle.
Hondo,
Oh, don’t mistake me, I’m not arguing with you at all. Simply pointing out that even the .58 caliber paper cartridges still weighed in, like you say, at around 50lbs/500 rounds.
In fact, according to the 1862 Ordnance manual 1000 rounds of .57 minnie (they reduced the diameter to allow for use in both the .58 Springfield and .577 Enfield) weighs in at 98 pounds including the wooden packing box. Even back then you’d have to be the Hulkster in order to carry a single box, since all it had were handles on each end made of 1″square stock nailed on.
To put it in perspective of the soldiers of the period, in Dean Thomas’ book “Ready…Aim…Fire, small arms ammunition at the battle of Gettysburg”, he includes in the errata many official notes and letters. One of them is from a Regular Army officer to the Ordnance department detailing his observations that the men, having been issued 50 rounds of ammunition when the cartridge boxes were only designed to hold 40, threw away the extra ammunition at their first opportunity. In fact, another letter also notes that the men, noticing the blue or green paper wrappers of the William’s Patent Cleaner Bullets included in each packet of 10 rounds, would throw THOSE away as well, because of the great recoil they imparted upon firing.
To my mind, it’s quite fascinating to read the period accounts at the soldier, company & battalion level, vice the great leader’s level, as so much would be so familiar if we could travel back then, and they to our time.