It’s OK to bully if you’re PC
Bullying is the topic of the moment, obviously– although, when the media gets bored with it they’ll just move on to something else that matters to them. Kids get bullied at school because of the nature of the beast: huge institutions used to house barely supervised children. School is Lord of the Flies, all day. Period.
That being said, I read this story on Fox about the founder of an anti-bullying campaign, It Gets Better, that is evidently hugely popular– even President Obama has made a video for the group.
It seems this founder, Dan Savage, who’s sexuality would be irrelevant if HE didn’t make it the POINT, feels that it is the fault of Christians and, of course, the Bible that bullying exists (specifically toward homosexuals) and he told a bunch of high school journalists so at a conference. Many students walked out of his “rant” and were taunted by him. Students report that he called them “pansy asses” as they left the auditorium.
Rick Tuttle, the journalism advisor for Sutter Union High School in California, was among several thousand people in the audience. He said they thought the speech was one thing – but it turned into something else.
“I thought this would be about anti-bullying,” Tuttle told Fox news. “It turned into a pointed attack on Christian beliefs.”
“The first thing he told the audience was, ‘I hope you’re all using birth control,’” she told CitizenLink. “he said there are people using the Bible as an excuse for gay bullying, because it says in Leviticus and Romans that being gay is wrong. Right after that, he said we can ignore all the (expletive deleted) in the Bible.”
As the teenagers were walking out, Tuttle said that Savage heckled them and called them “pansy asses.”
I couldn’t care less if this guy is gay, and married to a man or anything he chooses. It was publicly known he was gay before this incident. Clearly he was not being bullied or in any way ostracized for his beliefs and lifestyle choices– but he felt he had the right to bully and insult high school students for their beliefs and lifestyle choices.
Hmmm. Students, some Christian, were respectfully giving him a platform but he could not respect them in return. Got it.
CitizenLink sums it up, I think:
So it’s significant—and extremely ironic— that Savage would feel the freedom to display such intolerance during a speech that was supposed to be about bullying prevention.
Using profanity to deride the Bible—and then mocking the Christian students after they left the room—is obviously a form of bullying and name-calling. This illustrates perfectly what we’ve been saying all along: Too many times in the name of “tolerance,” Christian students find their faith being openly mocked and belittled in educational environments.
I’m a mother of high schoolers and a Christian (yes, I bleach my eyes after a day at TAH…. just kidding!) I don’t expect the government schools or the main stream to get it right. And I, especially, don’t expect any government to legislate good behavior.
But as individuals we can see right and wrong. We can see that painting ANY group of people with the same brush is bigotry, whether you’re insulting a gay man or a Christian high schooler.
You don’t have to like me, Mr. Savage, just don’t BULLY ME. Really. And you damn straight better not bully my kids.
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Really? WHERE IS THE ACLU now? OH WAIT, he was bashing Christians and the Bible…it’s ok now.
So he led everyone to believe he was there to speak about anti-bullying…and ended up bullying the audience? How rittard.
Heh…. some queer guy bullies kids and his last name is….. wait for it….. Savage.
Oh sweet, delicious irony that seems lost on the MSM.
Dan Savage has always been one of the most disgusting gay activists out there-This is not new behavior for him.http://www.mediaite.com/online/dan-savage-demands-sexual-favors-from-herman-cain-in-poorly-thought-out-publicity-stunt/ A class act…
I don’t agree with “bullying” anyone because of their lifestyle or beliefs, even if I don’t agree with them. My basic rule is “you treat me nicely and with respect and I’ll treat YOU nicely and with respect. You don’t respect me… don’t expect any in return. Lord help them if anyone, especially an adult male (so to speak) bullies my daughters. They’d better have an Orthopedist and a Dentist on speed dial.
I call him the doorknob licker.
Dan Savage is truly one of the sickest individuals on the scene today. And he’s getting his own sex show on MTV!
No, seriously, I call him the doorknob licker because he licks doorknobs. Actual knobs. On doors.
I’m not saying that he slobs knobs, although he does that too. He visited the Iowa campaign HQ of Presidential candidate Gary Bauer in 2000 and deliberately attempted to infect Bauer’s campaign staff with the flu virus.
“I go around the room licking doorknobs. They are filthy, no doubt, but there isn’t time to find a rag to spit on. If for some reason I don’t manage to get a pen from my mouth to Gary’s hands at the conference, I want to seed his office with germs, get as many of his people sick as I can, and hopefully one of them will infect the candidate. I lick office doorknobs, bathroom doorknobs. When that’s done, I start on the staplers, phones, and computer keyboards. Then I stand in the kitchen and lick the rims of all the clean coffee cups drying in the rack. I grab my coat and head out.”
Also, he offered a Canadian MP (John Cummins) the opportunity to prove that homosexuality is a choice. Cummins chose not to take him up on the offer, which somehow proved that it’s not really a choice.
Here. Would you like some anchovies? No? I told you that eating anchovies is not a choice. If it were, you would have chosen it.
Savage: “What if being gay is something people consciously choose? Gee, if only there were a way for choicers to prove that they’re right and everyone else is wrong… actually, there is way for choicers to prove that they’re right! I hereby publicly invite—I publicly challenge—John Cummins to prove that being gay is a choice by choosing it himself. Suck my dick, John. I’m completely serious about this, John. You’re not my type—you’re about as far from my type as a human being without a vagina gets—but I have just as much interest as you do in seeing this gay-is-a-choice argument resolved once and for all. You name the time and the place, John, and I’ll show up with my dick and a camera crew. Then you can show the world how it’s done. You can demonstrate how this “conscious choice” is made. You can flip the switch, John, make the choice, then sink to your bony old knees and suck my dick. And after you’ve swallowed my load, John, we’ll upload the video to the internet and you’ll be a hero to other choicers everywhere.”
Great article by Dan Flynn on Dan Savage. http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=48642
Savage is emblematic of the homosexual movement. He is a pervert, a bully, and a fanatical anti-Christian bigot. He is not the exception, he is the rule.
Maybe Dan was really trying to spread the HIV throughout Gary Bauer’s campaign HQ. It has quite obviously eaten away his brain.
Creepy, creepy, creepy. I supposed it’s good to be a bigot, if you’re THEIR bigot. 🙁 thanks for the links ben. I really never heard of this guy before.
Being a dick is not regulated by someone’s sexuality. There’s gay assclowns and Christian assclowns.
Christian assclowns are condemned. They are the exception. I suppose you’re going to cite the Westboro freakshow at this point.
“Gay” assclowns are feted and given television shows on MTV. They pay little social penalty for their bigotry. And they are the rule.
That’s the difference.
Why the kneejerk reaction, CI? Why is there always the need to draw equivalence?
“Bigoted” Christians–by which they mean Christian who don’t stop believing their faith because the overbearing authority of the state commands them to–are punished by school authorities. Bigoted homosexuals are invited by school authorities to sound off from a taxpayer funded forum.
And you consider yourself a “libertarian.” What a phoney.
Bullshit. Christian assclowns are feted by the right. And don’t give me the tripe about exception and rule; those dynamics are influenced by predisposed notions and personal bias’s; and is a vacuous argument.
Believing your faith is fine….legislating it is antithetical to liberty. That’s the realm of the Christian assclowns.
“And you consider yourself a “libertarian.” What a phoney.”
As if you would know. You’re the reason there’s a difference between Conservatives and Republicans.
I am more libertarian than you are, CI.
So there are no exceptions and no rules?
Which Christian ‘assclowns’ are feted by the right? Are they getting shows on MTV?
Christian legislating their morality is why we don’t have slavery any longer. Or segregation.
CI: Homosexuals can sodomize each other all day long. That’s not in jeopardy.
The right to say that it’s wrong IS in jeopardy. If you were a real liberatarian, that would be your concern.
“I am more libertarian than you are, CI.”
I’m sure you think you are.
“So there are no exceptions and no rules?”
There absolutely are exceptions and rules. But they’re provable. Diarrhea of the mouth doesn’t qualify.
“Which Christian ‘assclowns’ are feted by the right? Are they getting shows on MTV?”
Pick any that endorse or associate with GOP candidates or are dominionists or reconstructionists. And they’re not on MTV, they typically have their own channels.
“Christian legislating their morality is why we don’t have slavery any longer. Or segregation.”
Which is odd given the writings of the Bible.
Ben I am not going to argue this with you, but I will tell you that that almost all of the gay people O know want nothing more than to live and be left alone. The asshats like Dan Savage make their lives more difficult.
“I’m sure you think you are.:”
And I am.
“There absolutely are exceptions and rules. But they’re provable. Diarrhea of the mouth doesn’t qualify.”
In other words, exceptions and rules exist, but I may not identify them, only you can.
“Pick any that endorse or associate with GOP candidates or are dominionists or reconstructionists.”
That sentence is ungrammatical. But I think I understand what you’re trying to say. “Dominionists” are the boogeyman of the Left. Which makes sense because you’re a leftist. They aren’t “fetted” by the right either.
“Which is odd given the writings of the Bible.”
Why, cause the Bible is pro-slavery? So you’re essentially making the argument that the Southerners were right.
But I see that you don’t dispute that I am right. Christians legislating their morality ended slavery and segregation. You just think that it’s “odd.”
“The right to say that it’s wrong IS in jeopardy. If you were a real liberatarian, that would be your concern.”
It’s absolutely a concern, just as is the right of all citizens to legitimately engage in consensual activities. This doesn’t mean just mean ‘sodomy’, which heterosexuals engage in as well.
JustPlainjasin:
We need reasonable homosexuals to speak out against the perverts and the bullies.
But much like the moderate Muslims I’ve heard so much about, they just keep us all waiting.
“It’s absolutely a concern, just as is the right of all citizens to legitimately engage in consensual activities.”
Which is NOT in jeopardy! The Supreme Court has even invented a fake right to it, so rest easy CI.
Now, the actual constitutonal right to free exercise of religion and free speech, those are under attack. Get on it, Consitutional Insurgent.
The “gay” movement has never been about consensual activities. It’s about coercing approval of those activities.
“If you don’t affirm my sodomy, I’m going to KILL MYSELF! WAAAH!”
“In other words, exceptions and rules exist, but I may not identify them, only you can.”
Nope, I just don’t use them if they’re not provable.
“Which makes sense because you’re a leftist.”
Sure, that makes perfect sense. Only the most intelligent person would take one issue from a guy they don’t know [and who has a position that’s not remotely leftwing] and call them a leftist based on that. Save this prattle for the playground.
The abolitionist movement was quite correct. I never argued otherwise, but it’s nice to see you grasping. That movement being Christianity based doesn’t negate the rantings of the Robertson, Dean’s, Hagee’s et al….who go Savage when their personal faith isn’t promoted and legislated.
“The abolitionist movement was quite correct. I never argued otherwise, but it’s nice to see you grasping.”
I didn’t say that you were pro-slavery. But you think it’s “odd” that the abolitionist movement was Christian. I think you were hinting that the Bible is pro-slavery. Southerners argued that the Bible was supportive of slavery. So you’re saying that the Southerners were correct in this Biblical debate?
Yes, you are a leftist. Being a libertarian simply means that you think two guys buttfucking each other shouldn’t be illegal. That’s where I stand. And guess what? It ISN’T illegal and the chances that it will become illegal anywhere in this country is basically nil.
If you’re concerned about two adults being arrested for consensual bedroom behavior, you can rest assured that it’s not even remotely possible. That’s not your motive and that’s why I say that you’re not a libertarian.
But when your knee jerk reaction is always to defend the homosexual, when you become pro-“gay”, you have taken the leftist position.
“Nope, I just don’t use them if they’re not provable.”
More of the same. “Provable” to whose satisfaction?
“That movement being Christianity based doesn’t negate the rantings of the Robertson, Dean’s, Hagee’s et al”
They legislated their morality. That’s my point.
Bla bla bla bla. The difference is that homosexuals are a protected class. You’ll be decimated by the media and your co-workers and your boss for saying similar crap to any member of a protected class. If something is wrong then it must be wrong across the board. CHILDREN should be the damn protected class, not the fighting ground for everyone’s stupid ideas.
I don’t disagree that there are stupid Christians… but that isn’t what this blog was about. It’s about a person who purports to be ANTI BULLYING– BULLYING a group of minors.
🙂
And I do agree that it is about APPROVAL. There is no “live and let live”– it’s “you must view my choices (christianity, islam, homosexuality, heterosexuality, hillbilly-ness, ghetto-ness, fatness, skinniness) as THE PROPER CHOICE.
no. at least there was once a time when people were going AGAINST the grain- sticking it to tradition– but now, they cry when they’re not considered mainstream.
Just when I thought you couldn’t come off as any more inept, you continue to not only distort my position but proclaim that it represents my overall ideology. Do you not see how monumentally asinine your statement sounds? You could at least tell me what my positions on gun rights, civil liberties, public education, economics and foreign policy are…..if you think you can determine one’s politics from an internet exchange, this should be no problem for you.
“More of the same. “Provable” to whose satisfaction?”
Prove that Savage is the rule not the exception. Then everyone will be satisfied. Until or unless that happens, it’s diarrhea of the mouth.
“And guess what? It ISN’T illegal and the chances that it will become illegal anywhere in this country is basically nil.”
You’re apparently not familiar with sodomy laws still on the books. My reaction wasn’t knee jerk at all…do you dispute that there are both gay and Christian assclowns? Do you dispute that one’s sexual orientation does not regulate whether or not they’re a dick?
BTW, if I’m somehow “pro-gay” based on my stated positions….that would make you “anti-gay”…and decidedly not Libertarian. Unless you dispute the merits of my original post, then you went trolling for an argument. And you’re doing everything you can to foster your framework of it, to the point of absurdity.
@Boo – I agree with you on Savage…he’s a monumental dick. But homosexuals are no more a protected class than religion…with far less less legal and financial protections from the state.
Religion, and the free exercise thereof, IS protected. By extension (at least in the heads of some of us), so is the ability to NOT be religious.
Sodomy is not in any way a constitutional issue. No one that I know gives a flip what consenting adults do privately. However, if communities wish to protect their view of sexual acts by declaring them illegal in the public view, that is the right of the community. For folks like me, it is simply an issue of those acts which should be private vs those which some demand I should share in even if only passively by viewing it.
It would be funny if it were not so dangerous to observe an idiot like this being encouraged to declare to school children that they should be forced to watch him do whatever it is that he does, and applaud it (apparently), no matter how offensive but that they do not have the same right to do something which offends him publicly.
It is a very sick person who demands the approval of others for things he does when we just don’t care what he does as long as we are not forced to watch. Or pay for it.
OWB – Your statement about Constitutional law is correct but also begs the deeper question regarding a communities ability to criminalize an action not in the public purview……which was the case with sodomy laws……and the even deeper argument over restricting the rights of citizens to have sovereignty over their bodies.
Your last paragraph is dead on.
@31 Ahhh, so when these “sovereign bodies” end up infecting each other, why is it that the public must pay to treat them?
We shouldn’t. What’s your point?
Dear Dan Savage,
When normal people stereotype gays as a bunch of horrible screeching drama queens incapable of doing anything other than sowing misery and discord (and thus avoid associating with them, personally and professionally), you are the template upon which they’ve based their assumptions.
Keep up the good work buddy, you’re a credit to your cause, whatever the hell that is.
Until the westboro fags began piketing soldiers funerals a lot if people weren’t against them, then all of a sudden everyone was against them. Did we need Christians to denounce their behavior? Every time VFP does something or says something asinine do we all have to stand up to counter them?
Or we could just be rational human beings and realize that any small group doesn’t speak for the majority and most people are just like us and want to live their lives. If you would take the time to understand and know people in general a little better you would realize maybe you would like them all a little better. Not everybody is some asshat that wants to keep their name in the media.
Athena, I assume you are talking about cirrhosis of the liver that alcoholics give themselves because if you have ever seen a loved one die of AIDS you would never say that. You know what I don’t think you would wish cirrhosis on anyone either…
Uhm, no Jason, I’m not. I’ve also yet to hear of a group called “Alcoholics For Free Liver Transplants” either.
P.S., I have lost an Aunt and an Uncle from AIDS, both due to injecting drug use.
@31 Think hard, think hard…
Wow Athena it sounded a lot like the whole I know a whole lot of…excuse. Just sit quietly and think of what you say next time. How about just disliking someone for being an asshole and not for some other reason. I don’t like Savage cause he is an ass, not because he is gay.
Bullying has been hijacked by left/libtards for their own ends: It’s all about homosexuality, therefore we need redistructive social policies to address that. WTF?! (Oh, and bashing conservatives, too… )
#40 Savages stupidity is directly related to the fact that he’s gay, silly. When gay asshats are drummed out of their careers the way straights are when they do obnoxious shit, then we’ll all be equal. This moron probably gets financed by our tax dollars as well.
Just my two yen (I live in Okinawa), If you’re gay, I don’t care…just don’t scream it…we can tell. I just don’t think it (or any other sexual behavior) needs to be endorsed, taught, or spoken of in schools. That is the PARENTS responsibility. I raise my children according to the Baptist faith (unlike Westboro, they are Primitive Baptist, I am an Independant Fundamental Baptist). This means that I love the sinner, but hate the sin. Yes, I hate to tell the homosexuals, that the bible does say your lifestyle is a sin. BUT, I will not be the one to persecute you. I don’t care. I can only tell you that Jesus loves you, died for your sins, and wants you to repent of these sins. HOWEVER, if you reject him, there is nothing more I can do. In fact, the bible is clear about it, that if they reject the message, we are to wish them a good day and “shake the dust off of our sandals”. I take that to mean, leave it at that. As for the comments about the bible being pro-slavery, prove it. I have read the bible cover to cover, with a concordance, and studied it very carefully (I used to be an atheist, I wanted so badly to disprove it and make a mockery of it). And I can only say that I believe it 100%. EVERY WORD OF IT. In summary, what I can say is this. Homosexuals are not under attack in the way they try to portray themselves to be. REAL Christians, will try to talk to you about your lifestyle, but in the end, we don’t really care…the choice is yours to make. On the other end of the spectrum, OUR rights to say and do as our faith leads us, IS under attack. It is ok for someone to use the name of my Lord and Savior as a curse word, but heaven forbid I envoke his name out of love and respect…then I just become a religious right-wing nutjob. As I said, my two yen. TTM,… Read more »
Interesting reads in this thread. Who’s more libertarian?
The Bible calls the practice of homosexuality an abomination. Abomination, while related to sin, is in a different category that is explained in the Decalogue. These ten commandments give the standard for right and wrong, unlike the 600-odd commandments that describe how to live, and so on. Savage’s speech and actions show a violation here.
What Savage is doing is not committing homosexual acts. He is bearing false witness. Arguably, he has made an idol of his sexuality, putting himself above G-d. That whole false witness thing destroys one’s integrity. Folks who flip the bird to G-d generally become excessively assholy when G-d flips the bird back at them.
So who’s more libertarian? Does it matter given Savage’s unfettered access to impressionable children?
Yeah, admittedly that was a rather tedious distraction, especially given that neither Ben nor I have much respect for Savage. An asinine accusation was fielded……and not having anything on deck to entertain me……I took the bait.
But bearing false witness in the biblical sense is only relevant if Savage believes in God.
@45 If I may make a minor correction, CI. Savage’s bearing false witness in the biblical sense is only relevant IF GOD EXISTS. In that case, whether Savage BELIEVES in God or not makes no difference.
If God doesn’t exist, then Savage’s bearing false witness is just his style and way of doing things.
@46 – Can’t really argue, it’s sort of in line with what I was thinking, if not what I was typing. God exists if someone believes in God I suppose, since it’s provable no other way.
Whether or not one believes in G-d, there remains right and wrong, good and evil, the rule of law and anarchy, or however one would characterize the extremes.
Most of us have a standard which includes shielding young children from hate and discontent. The line of what defines children, of course, is kinda murky but taxpayer funding of this type of ugliness is beyond the pale. It matters not who is spewing the hatred and discontent or toward whom it is being directed.
No one is suggesting that one’s thoughts or reasonable speech be legislated. But when you expect me to pay for the words you utter or the actions you take my opinion matters.
@48 OWB: I concur. And I would ask this: who exposed these young people to Savage? Certainly they knew who he was when he was invited to speak. I would suggest that whoever exposed these journalism students to this speaker knew exactly what they were doing and the effect he would have.
Athena you just said something stupid that is all. You don’t have to avoid, make excuses, or lie.