Ron Paul’s foreign policy problems

| December 27, 2011

This post from Right Wing News has been making the rounds on the internet; John Hawkins mailed it to us yesterday and I just got around to reading it today. Sorry, but I’m feeling lazy this week. But anyway, it’s an interview John did with former Ron Paul staffer, Eric Dondero.

Dondero tells us in the interview the same thing I’ve been saying for years. The worst part about Ron Paul is his naive world view and pre-WWII isolationist beliefs. Dondero says the he believes that we were wrong to fight the Germans in WWII and save the Jews from the Holocaust. But he does concede when pressed that maybe Germans invading our shores and blasting our ships on the open seas was reason enough.

But to me this was the most troubling. Paul fully intended to vote ‘no’ on Congressional approval for military action in Afghanistan but changed his mind for purely electability reasons;

Ron was “under the spell” of left-anarchist and Lew Rockwell associate Joe Becker at the time, who was our legislative director. Norm Singleton, another Lew Rockwell fanatic agreed with Joe. All other staffers were against Ron, Joe and Norm on this, including Lizardo. At the very last minute Ron switched his stance and voted “Yay,” much to the great relief of Jackie and I. He never explained why, but I strongly suspected that he realized it would have been political suicide; that staunchly conservative Victoria would revolt, and the Republicans there would ensure that he would not receive the nomination for the seat in 2002.

So, either way, in my opinion, Paul is screwed on this. If he really intended to vote ‘no’ on Afghanistan, that was just wrong. If anyone deserved to be punished, it was al Qaeda and their caretakers, the Taliban. But then he compounded his mistake by changng his vote at teh last minute in order to be ‘right” in the view of the Party, so he could keep his seat in Congress. So all of that talk about Ron Paul being principled and not for sale is just what the paulians want to believe rather than what is the truth.

When the chips were down and Paul could take a principled stand, he caved to political pressure. A quick and revealing peek into the Ron Paul presidency.

According to The Hill, the Paul campaign is trying to discredit Dondero;

Paul campaign manager Jesse Benton described Dondero as “a disgruntled former staffer who was fired for performance issues. He has zero credibility and should not be taken seriously.”

Dondero cites several witnesses to the events he’s recounted and I don’t see any of them coming out to denying the most troubling aspects of the interview. A President Ron Paul would be a disaster on the world stage, worse than we have now, I suspect.

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CI

Paul is going to go down for his newsletters. He may well win in Iowa [weather dependent], and he will still corner the Catholic vote…..but he’ll go down long before his foreign policy comes under much scrutiny.

OldSoldier54

Lord, I hope so, CI. This guy is looking more and more like another Carter – a pie-in-the-sky dogooder who had no business being President.

I just hope he doesn’t play the spoiler like Perot did and put Obama back in office.

2-17 AirCav

CI: Ron Paul will corner the Catholic vote? Where are you getting that?

CI

@2 – Perhaps it’s just my perception, but I live in an insanely predominant Catholic area [dress like Mormons, eight child minimum fundamentalist Catholic].

They are cra-a-zy for Ron Paul around these parts. Paul is staunchly anti-abortion.

CI

Sorry, the above was meant for AirCav.

@2 – I’m less concerned with Obama losing [liberals aren’t even fired up for him] than I am for the eventual President-elect continuing the status quo.

2-17 AirCav

CI: I am relieved. I am a practicing Catholic (I’ll get it right one of these days) who never heard a positive thing from fellow Catholics about the guy. Oh, I know that months ago folks were talking about his pro-life position and voting record BUT, quite frankly, even Catholic blogs added the BUT immediately thereafter to point out his many faults.

UpNorth

“President Ron Paul would be a disaster on the world stage, worse than we have now, I suspect”. I’m convinced you’re correct, Jonn.

Brian

Ron Paul for President? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

The only scarier thought would be who that eccentric,
little Martian would appoint as his Secretary Of State,
as his Secretary Of Defense and as his CIA Director.

faboutlaws

He would have made a great running mate for Warren Harding.

Doc Bailey

I remember a post some months ago that had Ciny Shehan in an (apparent) interview in a car, talking about a clearly left leaning (Nadder?) she liked, and Ron Paul. Right then and there, Ron Paul lost any hope for my vote. Anybody Shehan endorses isn’t worth the meat he’s printed on.

I can get why he speaks to the Libertarian. The Classical Liberal (NOT THE RETARDED MODERN VERSION!) in certainly likes his whole constitutionality shtick. Its been a long time since I heard any politician talk about actually following the constitution. I like that. I wish more of the candidate would as well (Newt does, which is one of the reasons I’ll admit to his likability as a politician), but then ge veers into far left field and you have no idea what the hell his position is, or if you actually understand it, you’ll feel that cold grip of fear, and you realize you are totally screwed if anyone actually followed him.

CI

@10 – I used to like Paul once upon a time. The problem many Libertarians have with him is that he’s more of a Paleo. He tries to bridge Libertarianism and cultural conservatism, and it doesn’t really work.

Paul is an interesting case study. Many people seem to like 70-80% of what he claims to stand for, but the other 20-30% is a deal breaker. To compound that, the 20-30% isn’t static across the voting public.

What I can’t understand is how the GOP continues to allow a sizable number of voters, for whom civil liberties is a core issue, to be siphoned off every election. I sort of get playing to evangelicals during the primaries, but if the GOP would reach out on several key issues that are in line with individuality liberty, they might have a hope of sustaining a majority. It’s because of this that people vote for Paul, and even when he’s not the nominee, won’t vote for the GOP candidate.

Cedo Alteram

First Lew Rockwell is an idiot. With that out of the way…

Paulites can never understand that the rejection of Paul stems almost entirely from his positions, his company aside. There is no way I could ever vote for Ron Paul under any circumstances. If he ever were the nominee, I’d just stay home.

We didn’t fight Nazi Germany to stop the Holocaust, we did it because Hitler declared war on us after Pearl Harbor! This ties into the Afghan vote, the federal governemnt may be responsible for much that is wrong and evil in this world but by no means anywhere near all of it. The Federal government does have certain powers enumerated in the Constitution, One of them being national defence. We do have potential enemies abroad that have nothing to do with our domestic sphere.

He does have a defect that many libertarines(I use that term loosely) suffer from, they see themselves as modern agnostics. They and they alone, hold somekind of sacred truth, and if you knew/understood what they did you would see your folly. When you reject said proposition they tend not to able to accept it.

UtahVet

#8 Brian,

My guesses for a Ron Paul presidency:

Secretary Of State: Bernie Sanders
Secretary Of Defense: Dennis Kucinich
CIA Director: Barney Frank

UpNorth

I think the possibilities of who would be who in a Ronpaul cabinet deserve a thread of their own. I’m sure the people here could come up with a great cabinet.

Secretary of State: Sheila Jackson Lee
Secretary of Defense: Congressman Jim McDermott
CIA Director: Congressman Hank Johnson

Brian

At this stage, what do Ron Paul and his campaign people hope to gain by incessantly running their vicious attack ads against Newt Gingrich on TV? It seems like every time that we turn on our TV or switch to another channel, there are Ron Paul’s vicious attacks against Newt Gingrich. His malevolence is creepy.

Brian

#13 – 😉

Brian

#14 – Whoa, I saw that you had a few lucid moments there. See how much better you feel when you’ve had your meds and a nap? 🙂

UpNorth

@#17, if I need any shit from you, I’ll merely unscrew the top of your head and dip some out, but thanks for playing, libtard.