Guns on campus
I understand that the gun issue is tough. It’s tough because people make idiot arguments which support their side when there’s no real convincing evidence. Take this Tyler Figg from Purdue, for example. He claims to be a clinger and certified gun nut, but he doesn’t want guns on his campus. Here’s his reasons for banning guns from his campus;
A college campus is just no place for guns. There is too much stress, alcohol, hormonal imbalance and general insanity. There’s a saying that “guns don’t kill people; people kill people,” and that’s absolutely true. Do you know what there are a lot of around campus? People. People who could kill other people a lot easier if they have guns.
Two shootings have occurred while I’ve been at Purdue. The first one happened when some guys jokingly pointed a loaded gun at a friend, and it went off accidentally. Another one happened when an argument outside a night club turned violent. Alcohol was involved both times. Would adding more guns into the mix have made these events turn out better?
It sounds to me that he’s making an argument to ban alcohol and not guns. “Too much stress, alcohol, hormonal imbalance and general insanity”. Or maybe we should ban college students from campuses. I suppose there’s no stress or hormonal imbalance off campus? Out here in the real world where I carry my handgun concealed.
He also blames the fact that everyone wants to be a hero. Really? Then why aren’t college students lined up outside of the Marine Corps recruiting office? They don’t want to be a hero quite that much? I think young Tyler is much too immature to have a say in the discussion. His youth belies his inexperience and his inability to admit that people other than him are more responsibile when it comes to firearms.
Thanks to Old Trooper for the link.
Category: Gun Grabbing Fascists
The simple FACT is that MORE violence happens in “Victim Disarmament Zones” than any other place. Why?? Because the Violent Offenders KNOW that there will be nobody to fight back and little or no resistance. Ones doesn’t see mass murders at a gun show or firing range, do they? Methinks that this “bitter clinger & certified gun nut” is NOT.
Or he is just lying about being a gun owner. Sort of a riff on the ol “Lifelong Republican, voted for Bush twice…but” routine.
“Too much stress, alcohol, hormonal imbalance and general insanity”
Sounds like the Infantry.
I have been lobbying pretty hard for concealed carry on campus at ASU. I have run up against the same tired arguments again and again.I’ve heard Professors make arguments so ridiculous that if I used them in a research paper and turned them into the same professors, I would get an F.
30 campuses across the country (both large and small) allow concealed carry on campus. Not one of those campuses has had a violent incident involving firearms since they enacted their respective concealed carry policies. Unfortunately, most universities with bans on concealed carry on campus can’t say the same thing.
“Two shootings have occurred while I’ve been at Purdue. The first one happened when some guys jokingly pointed a loaded gun at a friend, and it went off accidentally. Another one happened when an argument outside a night club turned violent. Alcohol was involved both times. Would adding more guns into the mix have made these events turn out better?”
As for the first episode, if it really did happen on campus, then it shows that a ban on firearms obviously would not work. Did the moron have a conceal-carry and the requisite training? I doubt it. As for the second episode, unless Purdue has a nightclub on campus, what doe that have to do with the issue?
“OK, another scenario for you. Some psycho pulls a gun in the middle of a final exam and pops off a couple shots. Someone else goes to stop the guy from hurting anyone and takes him out. Another person turns to see the second guy gunning someone down, and pulls on him. The cops arrive on the scene and find five people pointing guns at each other. Who gets taken down? ”
Christ, can these fucking idiots please come up with some new material? Some permutation of this stupid hypothetical gets raised every time concealed carry is discussed. For one, defensive uses of a firearm almost never involve the “random mass shooter” scenario. Second, the odds of having five people in a lecture hall with legally concealed weapons is slim to none. Something like 2% of all American adults are licensed to carry, and just because they have the license doesn’t mean they pack heat everywhere; my wife got hers largely just to avoid charges if she gets pulled over with a loaded magazine in the car (we go to and from the range a lot) and for certain instances when she knows she’s going to be out late in a bad neighborhood. Others I know got it just because they can, and they want to have the ability reserved if they decide to start carrying.
Not to mention, in an undergrad lecture hall, and on college campuses generally, about 75% of the population isn’t old enough to legally buy a pistol, let alone carry it. And of the 21 and 22 year old college students I know, most don’t have the kind of disposable income needed to drop $500 on a pistol. Those that already have guns probably inherited them, along with the requisite knowledge and respect thereof.
Those against concealed carry never cease to amaze with their far-flung fantasies about what kind of hellscape we’ll all live in once CCW is widespread. Ignoring, of course, that it already is, and that crime, violence, and firearm deaths have all dropped in the wake of its proliferation.
Scott,
I have any even simpler response to his scenario:
A) Cops show up and find a dozen bodies: The maniac and eleven victims.
B) Cops show up and find one body: The maniac. And several armed men being very careful to make no sudden moves.
Pick one.
“The first one happened when some guys jokingly pointed a loaded gun at a friend, and it went off accidentally.”
Never heard of a gun going off “accidentally” all my firearms must have the trigger pulled to make them go boom.
So some moron who does not know how to handle weapons is the example the left uses to deprive me of constitutional rights? I carry and just ignore the No Firearms signs, and I teach at a University where they have not taken a stance on CCW.
I notice that one thing in common with people like him is fear. He’s so afraid of far-fetched situations or himself that he thinks it better to ban weapons instead of growing the hell up.
I don’t see a problem with guns or alcohol in that article. I see a problem with maturity.
We treat college students as “kids”. High School part 2. And then they act like it. Not a huge surprise. Don’t see why the ‘mature’ people have to have their rights and security taken away because the vast majority of college students are overgrown teenagers who’ve never had a day of ‘reality’ in their lives.
Two shootings have occurred while I’ve been at Purdue. The first one happened when some guys jokingly pointed a loaded gun at a friend, and it went off accidentally. Another one happened when an argument outside a night club turned violent. Alcohol was involved both times. Would adding more guns into the mix have made these events turn out better? ========== I went to Purdue from 1994-1999. I believe it was my Sophomore year that there was a shooting and hostage situation in my Residence Hall, Tarkington Hall. I came back from class one afternoon, and a bunch of people were gathered outside the Residence Hall. And entrance to the Hall was being blocked. I walked around to the front and found a bunch of people standing around as if there was a fire drill or something. Not too many people knew what was going on. After a while, police showed up, SWAT showed up and local news as well as Indy and eventually Chicago news showed up. Turns out that a RA (Resident Advisor, upper classman who serves as the floor counselor) had caught a student with drugs in his room. And apparently it was not the first time. I think he issued a warning to the guy, I don’t remember for certain. Well, the kid went beserk. He took off for his home nearby (somewhere near Indy I believe, about 45 mins south of Purdue), got his shotgun or his dad’s shotgun or something, came back to campus, stormed into his RA’s room and blasted him, killing him. He then went across the hall to his room and baracaded himself in his room, threatening to either shoot anyone and everyone or kill himself. The standoff with SWAT and everyone else lasted for hours as the kids’ floor was not evacuated completely and they didn’t know if the kid had committed suicide or was still a threat to kill anyone who tried to get out of their room and out of the Residence Hall. Turns out the kid had committed suicide and no one else was hurt. But the… Read more »