Right Wing News: Bloggers rank 25 worst figures in history
There’s another poll at Right Wing News that John Hawkins conducted among bloggers. This one entitled “Conservative Bloggers Select The 25 Worst Figures In American History“.
These were my choices in no particular order; Bradley Manning. Karl Eikenberry, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, General George McClellan, Woodrow Wilson Franklin Roosevelt, Noam Chomsky, John Kerry, Al Gore, John Murtha, Jimmy Carter, Eugene V Debs, Ted Kennedy.
Category: Bloggers
Lyndon Johnson, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, just to add to your list, Jonn.
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About a dozen of those listed are people I highly admire…
Of course you do, all deluded socialists would. Of course, had you spoken up against Wilson, you would have ended up in the cell next to Debs, but who needs a pesky Constitution, right Joe? I mean, I wish I had the time, bandwidth, and could generate enough motivation to address each of your “heroes”, but I’ve got better things to do, like stare at the lint in my belly button…
Add:
Saul Alinsky
Professors Cloward & Piven
(may they ALL burn AND rot in the lowest depths of Hell).
And for Joe;
I need to rotate the air in my tires.
Forgot Mathhis, Moore, And Joe.
Okay, Joe. I’ll ask the question.
Which of those listed do you admire most, and why?
I would add Franklin D. Roosevelt to the list.
PintoNag,
The person on the list of 25 worst figures in history (Ha! they forgot Attila the Hun, Gengis Khan, Hitler, and a few others) would be FDR. He got us through one of the most tumultuous times in our history, he won WW II, and despite his patrician upbringing, he had a deep respect the common man (so often lacking on this site), as evidenced by starting Social Security (a very good thing, not a descent into socialism as many of you think). I wish our wishy-washy president today had the guts to make a statement, so relevant today, like this one FDR made in Madison Square Garden, referring mainly to the financial industries:
“We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob. Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me—and I welcome their hatred.”
Anonymouse 3:03 = Joe.
If you read a little deeper then the large-print headlines, it’s asking for Worst Figures in AMERICAN history. I might grant you Adolf, as he started WWII. But Attila and Gengis?
I HATE and LOATH FDR.
FDR did MORE to expand the unauthorized power of the Fed Gub into the private person’s life then any president prior to Obeyme. Including Socialist non-Security.
With his three-letter agencies and policies, FDR prolonged the Great Depression far longer then it should have lasted — up to 8 years longer. Only because the Japanese involved us in WWII (remember Pearl Harbor?), did the USA finally and eventually come out of the Great Depression.
If you want an example of how a Gubbment SHOULD behave, research (you DO know how to do that, don’t you?) the little-heard-of Depression of 1920-1921, and Pres Warren Harding’s behavior and policies during that time. This Depression lasted from Jan 1920 through June-July 1921, a year-and-a-half. It was sharp and deep, but it was SHORT. Why? Because (for all you Sherlock Holmes fans out there), the gov’t behaved like the dog in the night. And what was the mysterious behavior of the dog (and the gov’t) in the night? Why, it did NOTHING!! Absolutely-freakin’-NOTHING! Which is how it should be.
Well B Woodman, have you been reading that 20 million older Americans thrown out of work by this depression would be out on the street if not for social security? This place would look like Calcutta if not for FDR’s foresight.
Or, Joe–they would be living much better without the spectre of Big Government hanging over them had they instead used the money confiscated from them and been allowed to invest it privately at a rate of return far in excess of the (under) 1 percent annualized return they currently get under SSA–and the ZERO return people my age will be getting by the time I turn 65. Had they stuck it in a low-risk mutual fund returning 4-5 percent (still below the historic rate-of-return for the DJIA, NASDAQ, or S&P 500 benchmarks), they’d have several times more income per month.
Sparky, stop it, you’re confusing poor Joey. DU and Kos tell him who to admire, and why. After all, why would anyone want more than what the gubermint deems appropriate, for their retirement, or healthcare? Progressives know best.
Nice plan Sparky. Too bad human nature shows us most people won’t plan that far ahead, so it’s kind of an enforced savings plan. And with a plan like yours they’re still be big winners and big losers, turning it into a lottery.
Great–so let’s pay for other people’s lack of foresight and laziness–what a great fucking idea!
Jesus you’re a joke.
Joey, you sure your last name isn’t “Bite Me”? You have the same “thought” processes, and sound just as clueless as he does.
Agreed, Sparky, let’s punish those who plan, just because others would rather party now, counting on the gubermint to punish the planners. After all, it becomes an “equal outcome”. Everyone ends up with less.
What the hell, I’m already being punished. I know my 401(k) is going to get taxed at a MUCH higher rate now when I retire, incentives to save on my own are disappearing faster than you can say, “Jack Robinson,” (+10 points if you can name the movie reference) and despite all that, it’s not enough–the government wants MORE of my compensation to give to those who fail to work or plan for their futures?
Joe, I’ll give you a little bit of history. I’ve been contributing to Social Security since 1981 (starting with my first job at age 14), according to my most recent SSI statement. If you add up all the contributions I’ve made since then JUST in SSI taxes (not including Medicare insurance), I’ve seen about $100,000 of MY INCOME disappear into federal coffers just in SSI alone. Now DOUBLE that because of what my employers over the years have been forced to contribute. $200K since 1981.
So are you trying to tell me that I couldn’t have taken that same amount of money, invested it in a low-risk fund, received 4-5 percent on my money (well below the average DJIA return, mind you), and been much better off? I’m told that if I manage to make it to age 67, I’ll be getting about $2300 a month. Newsflash–$2300 a month when I turn 67 won’t be worth jack shit.
I’ll make ya a deal, Joe–give me back the money my employer and I have been forced to give to the government in Social Security. Let ME invest it as I see fit. I guaran-fucking-TEE that I’ll have WAY more than $2300 a month for life well before I turn 67.
You’ve got the conservative victimhood thing down pat NHSparky. You make contributing to a civil society sound like extreme persecution.
Blow me, Joe. Victimhood? How about I don’t feel like fucking paying for lazy fuckers who won’t do for themselves? Ever hear of personal responsibility? Consequences for actions, little shit like that?
Newsflash, dipshit–it’s MY money, and to see it wasted in such a fashion pisses me off–just the same way my tax dollars are wasted. When you consider I’ll likely NEVER see that money, or will at some ridiculously reduced rate as to render it worthless, it pisses me off.
Contributing to a civil society? You mean like serving in its military for over a decade? Paying my taxes, even though where they go is a crying shame of waste, fraud, and abuse?
Bottom line, Joe–GFY. There is no need for the government to take the fruits of my labor and give it to someone else because of their malfeasance. None whatsoever.
Joe,
I’d like to point out that FDR also intended for Social Insecurity to be 100% privitized…..by 1967….
If my tax dollars actually helped people in need get back on their feet, I wouldn’t complain one bit.
However; the only thing my money is doing is perpetuate the welfare class. It’s also not doing me a bit of good, and I’ll never see it again. (I currently pay over $4000 a year in federal taxes, and SSI tells me I’ll get about $720 a month when I retire.)
And I think the thing that aggravates me the most is that I have no choice in the matter. The government takes the money whether I want to contribute to SSI or not. And believe me, at this point, if I could pull out of it — I would!
Thanks OT, I was gonna bring that up. (#19)
Leftists like Joe can’t ever seem to grasp the concept of personal responsibility, and the bleeding heart side of them can never grasp the fundamentals of facing consequences.
“Too bad human nature shows us most people won’t plan that far ahead”
Really Joe? Personally I think you’re wrong.
American’s personal savings rates did pretty well right up until the Depression of the 30’s, as soon as ‘Big Brother’ told folk that they’d be taken care of, thereby removing a lot of personal responsibility, the saving rates started to drop. Interestingly, two of the best years for personal savings since the Depression were in 1982 and 1985.
When we understand we’re going to have to take care of our self, and we are left with the majority of the fruits of our labor, Americans do pretty good at taking care of themselves.
Spend some time, as in a week or so, researching the U.S. Department of Commerce’s Bureau of Economic Analysis website, as well as some critical analysis of the economics of the 1920’s and 1930’s. It would do your education some good.