IVAW’s Executive Director on burning the flag
Matthis Chiroux of the IVAW burns an American flag in Lafayette Park, DC
The IVAW’s Executive Director, Jose Vasquez, has issued a statement in regards to Matthis Chiroux’s flag burning antics last Saturday in Lafayette Park. Apparently it has become a bone of contention among the remaining members of the organization and once again, Vasquez punts the issue rather than make an actual decision. (I know you can’t get to IVAW from that link – they block us. Just copy the link and paste it in your browser).
In his statement, Vasquez admits what I told you yesterday – there has been a grievance filed with the IVAW. It might surprise you that the grievance was filed by Geoffrey “Stolen Valor” Millard, the president of IVAW’s Board of Directors. Regardless, Vasquez seems unable to make a real decision about Chiroux – also a Board member.
The message Matthis chose to convey represents his views and those of some other members in IVAW. It does not, however represent the position of all members nor the official position of the organization. While we endorsed the ANSWER march, there was no official endorsement of the message Matthis conveyed. Nor was official endorsement sought. Matthis represented his personal views which resonate with some but not all members. Our messaging is important and in the future we should all make an effort to reach consensus with those we organize with in an open way about how we represent IVAW.
But here’s the part of Jose’s message that I don’t understand;
I personally have no particular affinity to the flag (especially having Puerto Rican ancestry)….
I have Swedish ancestry and I was born in Florida, so I’m wondering what the Hell Vasquez is trying to say. I know one particular member of IVAW has ancestry in a REAL Central American nation and detests the Matthis incident without equivocating . I’m pretty sure Puerto Ricans are born Americans, too. But, we’re talking about a guy who calls himself an Iraq veteran without setting foot in Iraq. A guy, who last year said he would have served in Afghanistan if the Army had given him a choice, but now leads an organization committed to ending the war in Afghanistan.
Oh, I keep posting the picture of Matthis burning the flag because the ISO members of IVAW tried to keep the photo out of the public domain, because they were a little bit ashamed of it, except among themselves until TAH got a hold of it and put it up for the world to see. Expect to see it often.
Category: Antiwar crowd, Iraq Veterans Against the War, Phony soldiers, Usual Suspects
The more these morons from IVAW talk, the more detestable they become. Vasquez has no particular affinity to the flag because he is Puerto Rican? WTF? Does he extend that belief to all Puerto Ricans, or just morons who choose to affiliate with ANSWERS?
IVAW isn’t anti-war. It’s anti-American.
(Oh, and Chiroux still has girly arms.)
AP said “(Oh, and Chiroux still has girly arms.)”. That’s because he/she still has a vagina, also.
Ok, as to IVAW; they have no problem, including Millard, with ANSWER, which is a known communist group? They are the bottom feeders, plain and simple. They detest everything this country was founded on, obviously if they are in bed with communists, they have no real ambition to “help” Veterans, and they have no real direction except further to the left. I have had exchanges with Vasquez on this site and he was reasonable in his replies, however, to be the head of a group where actions like this are commonplace, well, demonstrates a far different set of values.
What does the group really stand for? I know the rhetoric and the stated goals, but they mean absolutely zero. I’m talking what these people really stand for, because from everything I’ve seen, they are no more a Veterans assistance group than Rosie O’Donnell is a smokin hot hetero chick.
I’m German and Scottish, should I have an affinity to skirt wearing nazi’s?
OT, that’s just wrong for a Friday! Thanks for burning THAT image into my melon ya bastard!!!
Trooper,
Just picture Hitler in Eva’s stilletos and fishnets…..now try to cleanse THAT one!
Bullshit. I’m an ISO member and I’ve had this picture as my Facebook profile picture ever since I received it. Some other members have done the same. Thanks for re-posting it. Your article on Travis Bishop’s clemency is also incorrect. He received a 3 month reduction in sentence, which means that his sentence would have ended in May. His good behavior was applied to the new sentence. This is typical of the speculative nonsense you spout. Unfortunately, I don’t have time to respond to your constant stream of misinformation. I’m not even gonna try to explain to you the difference between hating a government and hating people who live under that government.
I do not believe my son burned that flag in protest but rather as an act of showmanship. My son’s convictions have always been situational and I doubt that has changed. If he were a man of conviction and principle he would not be dodging the certified letter from his sister asking him to cease and desist all contact. I have no issue with the IVAW but the IVAW has a problem and they know it. They are being dragged along by one director’s agenda and it is a bad situation for them. I have a saying, “A bad situation does not get better, it just gets more complicated.” For those who have ears to listen …
Hey Victor: Fuck off you communist pussy.
Robert: I think you are right, it was about getting a reaction.
Mr. Chiroux, Matthis is no longer a Chiroux to a very large number of us. My personal renaming of him is “Matthis Chithead”. It hurts a parent to see his/her child “go astray” of all they’ve been taught. My brother in law and I lament the conduct of our first born sons. His admonition is quite good as he says: “They’ve had charge of their lives longer than we had charge of their lives, and they’ll be what they will be.”. So sad, but reality is not a pleasant lady. You sir, have the respect of all the positive thinking readers here. It would have been much easier for you to just stay in the background in all this; but you chose to let us know that this is not the son that you hoped he would be. And, thank you for your service, Sir!
Nuf Sed
when they block you, that’s all you need to know about the character of the men on the other end. now that Murtha’s gone, Chiroux gets to be the country’s leading ex-Marine.
jcrue: Well, Matthis was in the Army, but the spirit of your comment remains.
Robert, just follow Matthis’ exploits, someone will be able to serve him that letter, because he’ll eventually end up in jail. Or find out when his court date is for his arrest outside the WH, and serve him in court. And like Frankly said, you have our respect, and thank you.
Hey, Victor, Bishop still is saddled with a BCD, wonder how that’ll work out for him, and, what OT said, Fuck off, pussy.
Video of flag burning (and stomping):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbqeHEOunzE
Elaine Brower (Workers World Party front World Can’t Wait member) says “That’s what we think of this country.”
Her blog
http://elaine.worldcantwait.net/?p=194
“Some didn’t agree with burning the flag, so they need to get out of the way. We are serious now. We mean business.”
By the way, which one of Matthis’ legs was injured?
To the best of my knowledge, you hold the cane next to the injured leg. If that’s true, then Chiroux is stomping with the bad leg.
Also, note the “Make Out Not War” pink slip in his back pocket adds a nice touch.
Jeez
More idiocy from the far Left. Just when I think they couldn’t possibly get any dumber, they go and do something like this and totally FAIL to redeem themselves.
Although I am sure that burning a flag would go over real well in their little Socialist paradise. In fact, I would bet such an act would be called destruction of Socialist property and warrant time in a labor camp.
Dear Mattis and Victor,
Never go full retarded.
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