In IVAW news today

| November 20, 2009

The word is that Carl Webb has been asked to leave IVAW. I can’t verify that, but his profile is gone;

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Here’s why he’s disappeared for the time being;

In other news, something happened at Darnall Hospital at Fort Hood the other day involving some IVAW members. Apparently, one member was thought to be suicidal by his chain of command, but the mental health experts at Under The Hood Cafe thought they knew better and went to the hospital – who knows why.

Now this fellow mixbyspyke has been talking to every media source he can find to tell the world that the Army wouldn’t give him help when he needed it – now the Army moves to stop what they thought was suicidal behavior (no, I don’t know what that was) and Kern tries to make it sound like they didn’t like the guy’s T-shirt.

So as far as the ass-clowns at UTHC are concerned, they’re the only people trained well enough to spot suicidal behavior. Anyway, here’s mixbyspyke’s account of the incident in his own version of English – obviously not his first language;

During a meeting at Under the Hood cafe, the chapter was informed that one of our members was admitted to the Carl R Darnell [sic] Medical Facility, for supposed suicidal tendency’s [sic]. We had just seen this member not to [sic] long ago and knew he was having problems with his chain of command for wherein [sic] a IVAW shirt on post. The chain of command told to [sic] soldier to report to staff duty and once he got there was placed on line of sight and taken to the ER because (according to the chain of command) someone had “called” staff duty to tell them that there [sic] soldier was going to kill himself. Our member was shocked by this news went along peacefully making sure to say that he was NOT suicidal but would get evaluated to put his chain of command worry s [sic] at ease… The rest of the chapter got the news of this and was concerned, and wanted to see if they could help so five of us piled into a car and went down there to the ER. At the ER our member was not in the waiting room so after asking if he had been admitted we told [sic] a seat and sat quietly to wait for the arrival of our friend. Apparently we were not allowed sit in there waiting to see if our friend was ok… the police told us that the hospitals standard operating procedure was to only allow family and chain of command in there, witch [sic] is false, but we left respectfully after the police said that we were trying to make a statement, witch [sic] for the record we were not! long story short a group of veterans can sit in the hospital wearing IVAW shirts lol.

** ATTENTION **

the member has since been released from the hospital and now is restricted to post and told not to were [sic] his IVAW shirt anymore, by the same chain of command that threatend [sic] the soldier saying ” i will kick your ass if i ever see you wearing that shirt ever again”

– Last time I spoke to this soldier he was still wearing it and is filing complainants [sic] against his chain of command!

So the Army is damned if they do and damned if they don’t. This can all be traced back to Cindy Thomas’ yammering about young commanders who don’t know what they’re doing. Like Cindy is an expert on anything besides working people into a frenzy while they’re hopped up on coffee.

Category: Antiwar crowd, Iraq Veterans Against the War, Usual Suspects

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VFW Commander

Bob Says:
November 24th, 2009 at 11:13 am

Should clarify my last comment… We vote on all new applications after reviewing their DD-214 and other relevant military documentation. At least in my post, this is something that is taken very seriously.

Bob,
We also take this matter very seriosly.
She refused to provide proof.
National called me about this matter & they sent her letters requiering her to provide proof.
That is the problem with the online membership.
There is no way to check an ERB or DD214.
Her refusal to provide the proof is proof enough.
The fact that she has a card does not make her a member.
Fraud is fraud.

VFW Commander

About the only truth I see in any of the crap she wrote is the CSM of USAREUR part. Ralf is a great guy.

Bob

VFW Commander,

This comment is in no way meant to be a slight at you since I don’t know you and am in no position to judge, but rather my thought as an active VFW member.

As you know very well, at the beginning of every monthly VFW meeting the post commander reads that all petty differences be left at the door while the oath for new members includes not knowingly allowing an unqualified person to be a member. I originally signed up for the VFW online and my Iraq service was verified, with my joining of the post also being verified at a meeting. It looks like in this case that AS was approved online and then subject to a more thorough review/screening of her qualifications. Based on this fact, I have no doubt that she is qualified, and as one of the only Iraq vets to be active in my post, I would absolutely welcome AS or any other VFW-eligible vet or VFW card carrier into my post regardless of politics or anything else.

Again, it goes back to the opening ceremonies of the VFW meetings where we cast all petty differences aside. Even if her other claims are completely false — which I have no way or inclination in verifying — she is welcome no matter what as a veteran of a foreign war.

Female Vet

I have to say that the comments here have given me much to contemplate. I searched long and hard for a group to join regarding my dissent about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Having watched so many of my brothers and sisters return “wounded,” if at all, after serving in harm’s way for the sake of a bunch of lies (propagated by a 60-page dossier served up on a golden platter from Tony Blair’s intel folks and spoon fed to the world by Bush’s hound dogs), I believe I have every right to speak out on their behalf! I can honestly say I don’t know any of you well enough to judge you or your opinions. That said, I’d appreciate that same consideration. However, I do respect your right to challenge my positions and look forward to it. As for who I am, I believe I am a voice of reason. I have 22+ years military experience. I do not proclaim to know everything about anything. I am open-minded. I have handed the folded American flag to 63 mothers, sons, husbands, wives, siblings, etc. of fallen veterans (WWII, Vietnam, Korea, and current era) and almost always tear up after having done so. “On behalf of the President of the United States and a grateful nation, I present this flag to you in honor of your __________’s unconditional sacrifice to our country.” I have voluntarily taught flag etiquette classes to 137 classrooms of 5th graders in Kansas City, New Orleans, Dallas, Portland, Sioux City and Cleveland. I have taught/inspected Highschool Marine Corps JROTC classes in New Orleans and Albany, GA. As a Marine, I have taught hand-to-hand combat, MCMAP (martial arts/brown belt) and was the first female to receive certification as a HRST Master (rappelling/rast roping) with 1st Marine Division and served as an instructor for 6 years. I have lead Marines, babysat them, managed their checkbooks, bailed them out of jail, fed their families, and as many have come back later to tell me, I’ve inspired them, motivated them, mentored them to push their limits. I have done my… Read more »

Female Vet

VFW Commander: “… National called me about this matter & they sent her letters requiering her to provide proof.
That is the problem with the online membership.
There is no way to check an ERB or DD214…”

IVAW requires members to upload copies of their DD214 (scan and attach the documents via the web) to verify service since 9/11/2001. Truth be told, I know they haven’t required 100% compliance. That personally bothers me, and I’ve been told some of these people were “grandfathered” in before the policy was incorporated.

I think the VFW should check into providing a method for attaching PDF forms/documents to applications.

Someone said something about IVAW not being a VSO but a political action group. That’s indeed what it is!

Brown Neck Gaitor

Female Vet,

VFW Commander was talking about the VFW. Which requires that members went somewhere during certain date ranges. It further requires that prospective members provide proof of above.

He was not talking about IVAW which doesn’t.

You might want to check fire.

JuniorAG

“but a political action group. That’s indeed what it is!”
Under the hammer-n-sickle!!

Army Sergeant

Female Vet:
The problem isn’t with the VFW, it’s with that particular VFW commander who is completely crazy. The VFW, surprisingly, does accept scans of your ERB/DD214 as well as physical copies and various other things. They’re surprisingly tech-savvy for the median age of the organization.

I’m leery of getting heavily involved again, but I’m still paying my dues on the off chance I change my mind.

Anyway, yeah, there isn’t any need to go off on the VFW just because it has one crazy guy in it.

Blanka

Female Vet, you won me over. =0)