Supremes screw the pooch again

| May 11, 2024

While I generally like this set of judges, they sure aren’t infallible, and proved it in a major way today.

In a 6-3 ruling powered by its conservative majority, the justices affirmed a lower court’s dismissal of the lawsuits by the two plaintiffs, who were denied prompt hearings to reclaim vehicles seized by police in crimes committed by other people.

You know civil asset forfeiture – brought in ‘way back when, it was supposed to be used as a tool to keep drug dealers and major criminals from enjoying the fruits of their criminal activities. Sounded great – Pablo the dealer loses his cocaine money, Tony the Capo doesn’t get more pasta, all kinds of things. But, like ‘most anything, what CAN be warped into screwing thy neighbor,  HAS been.

In 2014, a Los Angeles music promoter had his cash seized twice. He had sent his staff to collect the door receipts at big Mexican music concerts that he promotes and organizes. In both cases, a simple traffic stop turned into a loss of property, even though there was no evidence of a crime.

A taco truck owner had $10,000 taken by LA Sheriff’s Department near Lancaster. He answered honestly that he was carrying a large sum of money. Why wouldn’t he? He wasn’t breaking the law, he was traveling with his own money, from his own legal business. There were no drugs in the car, no evidence of a crime, but a K9 keyed on the money. The driver was not arrested or charged. But his property was seized and put into forfeiture proceedings.

Mr. Jalali had previously rented an office space to a medical marijuana dispensary. And although Mr. Jalali was never been charged with any crime nor were his tenants, the Anaheim Police Department and the federal government attempted to use civil forfeiture to take his entire $1.5 million commercial building.ACLUNC.com

Then there are others, like the trucker who was headed to buy a truck and his savings ripped off. There are whole geographies benefiting from deciding that anything more than a few hundred bucks simply MUST be money meant for the local coffers.

The Interstate-44 corridor through southern Missouri, Interstate 70 through St. Charles County and the network of interstates that connect in Illinois across from the Gateway Arch are prime locations for asset forfeiture and drug traffic.

No drugs, no charges: In Missouri, St. Charles and Phelps counties seize about $1 million a year, mostly by taking in cash in highway stops where no state criminal charges are filed and no drugs seized.

An unusual alliance of libertarians and liberals — from the ACLU to Cato and the Koch brothers — says civil asset forfeiture often amounts to highway robbery.

Law-enforcement agencies can circumvent state restrictions on the use of forfeited property through the federal Equitable Sharing Program, under which the Justice Department adopts a forfeiture and sends up to 80 percent of the money back to local law enforcement to spend. Pulitzer Center

The federal government seizes roughly 30,000 property assets every year. Approximately 80-85 percent of the seizures are forfeited administratively with no one making a claim on the property after appropriate notice. The courts resolve the remaining 15-20 percent of seizures. Judicature (Duke Law School

Apologists say “well, using this we can  hurt the folks we can’t prosecute.”  So we let law enforcement steal from folks using “oh, it must be drug money” as an excuse?

Long term readers know this a topic that gets me steamed, and rightfully so. How the Supremes could not strike this down on Constitutional grounds (pretty sure “it must be drug money” is not exactly an excuse for ignoring due process!) Something allegedly used in a crime by a third party? Equally as unsupportable. Legalized government theft should not stand.

Category: Crime, Supreme Court

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STSC(SW/SS)

They make you pay taxes
They make you pay fees
When that’s not enough they just steal it from thee

2banana

And politicians become 10s of multi millionaires on a government salary.

Hack Stone

Hack Stone is a “Law and Order” kind of Adorable Deplorable, however, he has an issue with “civil forfeiture”. You can’t send someone to prison without a trial and conviction “beyond a reasonable doubt”, so why can you take someone’s property without due process? Except that can be abused too. Look no further than charging Donald Trump for loan fraud on a transaction that occurred years before and is beyond the statute of limitations, find him guilty of defrauding banks despite them losing no money and actually making a profit, then fining him hundreds of millions of dollars with none of the money going to the “aggrieved party”.

26Limabeans

Well, you know you can’t hurry love so sometimes it may feel
like they just keep you hanging on.

Buckeye Jim

Supremely stated.

Odie

After that, Gov. Hochul had to publicly admit that law was passed for 1 person only, and other investors had nothing to fear.

MustangCPT

Funny thing is, a good lawyer can take that admission and run with it, considering one of the FIRST things mentioned in the Constitution as a “No-no” is a bill of attainder.

Anonymous

Meanwhile, the 9th Circuit in California just ruled non-violent felons can’t be barred from owning guns:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/nonviolent-felons-can-t-be-banned-from-owning-guns-9th-circuit-rules/ar-BB1m7ctK

Pretty soon, as “progressive” as things are getting, only law-abiding people won’t be able to have guns.

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Fyrfighter

Isn’t the 9th circus the most overturned court in the land?

USMC Steve

More than every other circuit court in the country combined.

Jimbo

Carry travelers checks and cash them at your destination. Don’t carry more than you can afford to loose. If the cops don’t rob you, Uncle Sam might. And there’s always robbers too.

5JC

All civil forfeitures have due process.

That wasn’t the question in this ruling. The question was if the owner of an asset seized while in the possession of another party is allowed a preliminary hearing to retake possession of the asset until the actual CF hearing take place. The court rules no.

https://www.fd.org/news/scotus-holds-due-process-requires-timely-forfeiture-hearing-civil-forfeiture-cases-not

I will give an extreme RL example to explain the reasoning here. Say granny is in the nursing home and doesn’t drive. She has seven cars titled and registered in her name. The cars are a way to launder money by buying them and putting them in her name and then also used to run drugs around town by various grandkids. She may or may not even know this is happening. Seizing the vehicles makes things difficult for the drug ring and has no real effect on granny.

I will say it is ripe for abuse by corrupt law enforcement so it should probably go away. But there is definitely a due process.

Hack Stone

So when is there due process? Has a trial been held where the government presents their evidence, a defense is offered, and the evidence is weighed and a ruling made by a court or jury? Everything Hack has read is that Law Enforcement seizes the money claiming that it is tied to illegal activity, and the burden of proof is on the person whose assets were seized. That’s not how it is supposed to work.

5JC

The type of hearing depends upon state law. Here is a primer for Maryland.

https://www.peoples-law.org/can-state-take-my-stuff-seizure-and-civil-forfeiture-property

Sailorcurt

We’re talking about two different things here:

In the case SCOTUS ruled on, the cars were seized as a result of being used in the commission of a crime. The operators of the vehicles were arrested and charged with crimes when the cars they were driving were seized. The fact that the drivers didn’t own the cars is irrelevant.

Not the same thing as the cops seizing cash or property with no indication that a crime had been or was going to be committed, with no arrests made and no charges filed except against the cash or property.

From what I can tell, in this case, the only thing SCOTUS held is that there is no constitutional requirement for an “expedited” hearing in the course of due process.

The owners of the cars should have used better judgement in determining who they would allow to use their cars. Having their cars seized during an arrest was a foreseeable consequence of allowing drug dealers to use their vehicles.

KoB

“…adventurous abroad and despotic at home…” You called it, Bobby Lee. And here we are.

Roh-Dog

Is this the SPotW post? Because it sounds like the SPotW post.

“Our” fake-as-fuck money currency-cum-control mechanism, which is based on lies, favoritism, and war, states this on its face:

THIS NOTE IS LEGAL TENDER FOR ALL DEBTS, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE

You ask any kindergartener if this statement is true then how can these actions be just or fair and I’m sure even they’d understand, it ain’t.

……

Since this is the stand-in StuPepottoWe, I submit the VFW doing swamp bullshit:

President Elect Toxic Deplorable Racist SAH Neande

I am SO glad that I haven’t wasted my time and money by joining either organization, VFW or (what’s that other one?).

Green Thumb

Fucking Trump!

MIRanger

Well, I was going to bring up the perfect example of this crime scheme, but it appears to have been “settled” amicably. https://reason.com/2022/05/09/sheriff-agrees-to-stop-stealing-cannabis-cash-from-armored-cars-saying-his-deputies-are-not-highway-robbers/
For those who don’t google-foo, it was the San Bernardino Sheriff stopping Armored cars with cash from Medical Marijuana dispensaries (all operating legally and in compliance), seizing the cash, and then trying to hand it to the Fed because he could not legally steal it so he could at least get 80% of it. Unfortunately for him, the Feds returned the money.
If you thought this was a one time mistake… nope he did it three times before Empyreal Logistics, a Pennsylvania-based company sued them and the Feds!