Oklahoma Guard Rejects Covid Vax

| November 12, 2021


Brig. Gen. Thomas Mancino

Just in. David sends.

Oklahoma Guard goes rogue, rejects COVID vaccine mandate after sudden change of command

The new commander of the Oklahoma National Guard has declared the organization will not enforce the Defense Department’s COVID-19 vaccine mandate on its troops, according to local media outlets.

Army Brig. Gen. Thomas Mancino was announced as the state’s new adjutant general Wednesday, though he has not yet been confirmed by the state Senate, according to a press release from Gov. Kevin Stitt’s office.

On Nov. 2, Stitt formally requested that DoD not enforce the mandate on the state’s Army and Air National Guard members. In the letter, which his office posted online, he said that 10% of the state’s troops had refused the vaccine and that the mandate was “irresponsible.”

Yahoo

Isn’t this interesting. Thanks, David.

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KoB

Very interesting indeed. Big Army stepping up in 5.4.3.2..

Sapper3307

Will his Governor support him?

MarineDad61

Sapper3307,
The Governor engineered this.

The transfer of AG for January 2022
was moved up to Veterans Day,
by the Governor.

The former AG found out on Twitter,
2 weeks after posting a photo of himself
getting his own vax booster, also on Twitter.

Looks like the Gov. got (politically) pissed off,
that his own outgoing AG was publicly advocating getting the vax.
You know, since the new AG made his own news here only 2 days later.

https://okcfox.com/news/local/fmr-head-of-oklahoma-national-guard-says-he-found-out-hed-been-replaced-on-twitter

Sam

The OK Governor had already taken steps through his Attorney General:

Oklahoma AG joins another lawsuit against federal vaccine mandates
Randy Krehbiel Nov 6, 2021 Updated Nov 7, 2021

https://tulsaworld.com/news/state-and-regional/govt-and-politics/oklahoma-ag-joins-another-lawsuit-against-federal-vaccine-mandates/article_6c2b75a4-3e5e-11ec-a0d4-571dd7056ca8.html

David

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” I’m not all that smart, but I am pretty sure vaccine mandates’ aren’t even mentioned in the rest of the Constitution.

USAFRetired

The 10th amendment seems to give the State Government and the people a role in this.

5JC

Unless they get Federalized. Wonder if they will stand up the ONG for one day to take the shot?

SFC D

It would not shock me.

NDHoosier

General Milley Vanilley certainly won’t like it that Brigadier General Mancino isn’t following the orders of the ChiComs….

P.S. Let’s go Brandon.

A Proud Infidel®™

General Milley Vanilley sold his soul to politics years ago and the last time I looked the 10th Amendment to the United States Constitution is STILL in effect!

LET’S GO BRANDON!!!

kaf

He should have quietly put out a letter stating that all requests for discharge due to refusal of vaccine will be approved by his office and then just stamp them all “Denied.”

MarineDad61

Expect a National Guard Bureau response soon.

Governors and Adjutant Generals can not change the primary military uniforms,
nor the training and equipping of National Guardsmen and units,
if there is any possibility those NG units and Guardsmen
may be activated for federal active duty.

If they want to play state games with “State Guards”, sure.
But not with Air and Army National Guard.

MarineDad61

Prediction – Oklahoma and this new AG Mancino will either flinch & blink
(and look stupid),
or AG Mancino gets Schellered.

Green Thumb

To the uniform question, there is some leeway.

I have seen the NG from various states wearing all types of cords corresponding to their MOS / Branch color.

I informed them that only IN was authorized to wear a cord. They got defensive and stated that their commander (TAG) authorized it.

Its like the old saying goes, everyone wants to be IN but no one wants to do that IN thing first.

OWB

The ability of big Army/Air Force to control every aspect of a part-time employee’s life had been adjudicated many times over the decades. Almost without exception the final decision is simple: Behavior cannot be controlled for part-timers nearly as much as it can be for full-timers.

This will be very interesting to observe. I seriously doubt that the DoD will win. But, maybe that is just wishful thinking. If they go by precedent of previous decisions, it’s easy. Still, there are ways to mess it up. Looks from waaaaay over here that the OK gov has his ducks in a very neat row on this one.

Standing by with popcorn.

Commie-Tsar

BUT, IT’S TEH COVID!!! GET THE STAB!!! WEAR YOUR SIX FACE DIAPERS AND SOCIAL DISTANCE!!! ANOTHER 14 DAYS TO FLATTEN THE CURVE!!! PROTECT ME AND THE OTHER COMMISSARS FROM TEH COVID!!!

Roh-Dog

I hope you get all the Trump shots, in triplicate, embracing the merger of government and corporations you so desperately need to accomplish your Utopia.

Hashtagnotgettingonthetrain

Commissar

I have been warning people that when civil war breaks out many deep red national guard elements will defect to the MAGAt side.

Roh-Dog

I accept your terms.

Dulce et decorum est Pro Trumpia mori.

SFC D

I don’t think “defect” is the word you’re after. That would imply that it’s wrong to protect your state against overreaching, tyrannical government. Although, I can understand how you’d make that mistake, seeing as how you’re a major fan of tyranny. As well as a fraud.

Commissar

Requiring soldiers get vaccinated against diseases is not authoritarianism you dumb fuck.

nobunny

He’s so triggered by the F word. But not the usual, useful F word.

SFC D

I was referring to your civil war comment. Requiring American citizens to get a vaccination in order to exercise their constitutional rights and live as free citizens is absolutely authoritarian and tyrannical. Now you go have yourself a nice day.

Roh-Dog

But, “[r]equiring [S]oldiers [to] get [experimental] [vaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxines] against diseases [that a)the jab isn’t effective against the spread of, and 2)the underlying virus is statistically a non-factor in the cohort] is…authoritarianism you dumb fuck.”
Fify! I was going to attempt a sober day here Larsie-poo, but you’re driving me to drink.

Hatchet

Then what’s YOUR definition of ‘authoritarianism’. Lars?

Do tell!!!!

DUMB.FUCK.FRAUD.

Animal

You say that like you’re looking forward to it.

Commissar

Nope.

But it feels inevitable.

The right has become an irrational cult that want to overthrow our democratic institutions and install a despotic clown premised entirely on baseless lies.

Traitors. And they can’t be reasoned with. Because they don’t care if what they spout are lies.

Animal

You could say the same about the left and democratic socialist.

Mason

Not only can you say that about the left, but they’ve actually succeeded in installing a despotic clown in the WH.

SFC D

This, from an antifa supporter. Got that new brown shirt yet, Commissar? Is that evil orange man haunting your dreams again? You’re a fraud and the poster child for “useful idiot”.

Roh-Dog

Wait until Poodle finds out that God Emperor Trump I never stopped being President and JFK Jr is coming back to the Southern District of NY to chase out the Chicomms and other money changers.
Wwg1wga

Q
(Ever go fishing with stank on all lures on every pole you own? ^see above)

Sapper Grunt

“The right has become an irrational cult that want to overthrow our democratic institutions and install a despotic clown premised entirely on baseless lies.”

YOU MAKE ME LAUGH, Major Moonbat!!! ALL THROUGH the Presidency of Donald Trump you and your minion moonbats screeched that
Resistance is Patriotism” among other things, the pols on your side screeched NOT to get the jab because Donald trump was somehow making money off of it, but now since Joke Biteme was installed like a cheap toilet, you and your fellow moonbat minions have gone FULL THROTTLE in screeching for everyone to comply with whatever the Government says JUST LIKE Hitler’s “Sturmabteilung” or “Brown Shirts” who did just like what today’s BLM and Atifa queefs do. Keep the laughs a-comong, Major Moonbat!!!

[Name edited to remove PII -Mason]

Hatchet

YOU? Constantly espousing your brand of altered dementia and using the word ‘traitor’ in the same sentence?! Thanks for confirming that YOU’RE A WALKING/TALKING JOKE WITHOUT A PUNCHLINE.

Berliner

Hatchet

Commie-caza-ZEK snivels:
November 13, 2021 at 11:31 am

– I have been warning people that when civil war breaks out many deep red national guard elements will defect to the MAGAt side.

You have been ‘warning people’? Guess your thunderous ‘warning’ is probably categorized somewhere between “Wind and Piss”…

SP = “MAGAt”. There, fixed that for ya. For your future reference – it’s spelled MAGGOT.

Sapper3307

Dedicated to Commissar.

nobunny

God in heaven. That was a hauntingly beautiful performance.

The little over-achiever.

Mason

One of those Orthodox Jewish Nazis if you listen to the Left.

SFC D

Does that make him a bad Jew, or a bad nazi? Everything is so confusing these days.

SFC D

“If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”

Roh-Dog

If he deems me a traitor I shall take it as a compliment and vow to surround myself with like-minded friends, keenly focused on that Jewel of Liberty.

No greater honor than to serve in the company of Free men.

Eat my ass, Commissar.

Fyrfighter

I’m shocked that it took the little commie bastard until his third post to go down the traitor route…I figured that’d be his first statement.. as usual, he’s a delusional moron supporting actual authoritarians, while accusing others of the same. It really does make ya wonder if he’d actually that stupid, or just pushing to complete the destruction of our Republic…

Roh-Dog

He’s a walking perpetual vortex of stupidity and destruction, hellbent on acceleration to total control over all because he’s the smartest person in the room.

Welcome to The United Socialist States of Larsmerica.

A Proud Infidel®™

He comes, shits his pants in front of everyone for any attention he can get, than runs off to go suck his thumb.

SFC D

A true Biden acolyte!

Fyrfighter

That’s not his thumb…

Poetrooper

Lars says, “I have been warning people that when civil war breaks out many deep red national guard elements will defect to the MAGA side.”

You mean they’ll look to their governors and state legislatures for guidance?

As they damned well should…

You might also warn your Anteefee pals that most of the active duty combat arms units are based in red states as well, so that could be where actual “defections” will occur on a major scale.

And even in the blue states, ol’ Poe suspects installations like Camp Pendleton, Ft. Lewis, Ft. Carson, Schofield Barracks and Ft. Drum might find a great many of their combat arms troops not politically aligned with their ultralib state governments.

Which could be extremely problematic for those governments as well as the federal governments control of their forces.

A Proud Infidel®™️

During the time I was in as well as now, I remember the Oath of Enlistment I took which says: “I, [A Proud Infidel®™️], do solemnly swear that I will protect and defend The Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, Foreign and Domestic, that I will bear true and faithful allegiance to the same, that I will obey the Lawful Orders….” which not only has no expiration date to me, THERE IS NO pledging of any allegiance whatsoever to any politicians, bureaucracies, or their agendas. I told myself then that I was obligated to disobey any Illegal or Unconstitutional orders and a huge number of those still serving feel the same, maybe that’s why the current Administration of corruption is so hell-bent on purging the ranks of those who don’t mindlessly obey no matter what?

MarineDad61

A Proud Infidel@,
Much of your comment
is the tagline and playbook of the Oath Keepers.

I sure as shit hope you are not one of them.

Take a look here, at the Wayback Machine.
Pennsylvania Oath Keepers website,
from 2015-2016, and a new 2021 entry.
Much of your comment is boilerplate 2016 Oath Keepers.
Now look at 2021.
Surprise.
POOF. It’s NO LONGER there on today’s 2021 website.
https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://www.paoathkeepers.org/

SFC D

The stated purpose and intent of the oathkeepers is actually very good. In practice, however, it goes to liquid shit. API is exactly right, I agree with him 100%. I’m willing to bet nearly every veteran in this forum agrees. You may want to be a little less heavy handed with your oathkeepers accusations. Just my two cents, your mileage may vary.

MarineDad61

SFC D,
Well, this veteran was approached for recruitment into Oath Keepers PA
by 2 members, a total of 3 times.
All before 2021.

(NOTE – PA Oath Keepers org
claims to be independent of national.)

Trouble is, neither of these 2 guys
(1 a former Army National Guard SPC E-4) could keep themselves from talking like Soldiers of Fortune, ready for packing their arsenal, and heading out on a Rambo hunt.
An anticipated hunt for selected elected DEM officials, and then anyone else who gets in their way.a

Oh, 1 of them tossed in some nig jokes
during the same conversation,
you know, just to make me feel more welcomed.

Not exactly something any normal civilian would want to be involved with,
nor any decent and honorable veteran.

The 2021 webpage for PA Oath Keepers
actually looks respectable (now).
But Google and The Wayback Machine
reveal what lies underneath PA Oath Keepers.

SFC D

You’re proving my point. The Oathkeepers sound awesome on paper, but is rotten to the core with fakes, phonies, posers, and wannabes. My oath never expires, but I have no need for any group like them. I’m just asking you to put that broad brush down.

MarineDad61

SFC D,
I put no broad brush on A Proud Infidel@,
and only when I saw him type
“obligated to disobey”,
did I then think of, and compare to,
the (PA) Oath Keepers.

Many large orgs get the broad brush, often deserved, and mostly, but not completely, justified.

Since many here like to divert with whataboutism towards 2020 and BLM,
BLM is mostly dirty, and dirty at the top, but certainly has many decent citizens that take part anyway, with good intentions, and either knowingly dismissive with horseblinders on, or naive and unaware of the dirt.

There’s too much out there about PA Oath Keepers to claim ignorance or lack of awareness.

MarineDad61

See for yourself,
on the grand F U of Google.
https://www.google.com/search?q=PA+Oath+Keepers

SFC D

You do not need to prove to me just how bad the oathkeepers are. I’m fully aware and in complete agreement with you. What API stated is a fact. That doesn’t make those of us that agree with him oathkeepers any more than having white sheets on your bed makes you a Klan Klown.

MarineDad61

A Proud Infidel@,
IMHO,
The PA Oath Keepers held pre-rally meetings in Lancaster, PA
for the January 6 D.C. Trump Rally (and preparations for the aftermath).

Subsequently, multiple meeting participants have been charged,
with at least 1 jailed early on,
and at least 1 in jail today.

As a result of their efforts on January 6 backfiring (badly),
they have since shit their collective bricks,
and revamped their website,
removing all the “Call to Action” and other rogue language
on May 7, 2021.

I’ll guess membership is way down now in 2021.
Because it’s now “pin the stink on the donkey”.

MarineDad61

And here’s the punchline.

The idiots and knuckleheads at PA Oath Keepers
believe they can tone it down, or reinvent their image,
or otherwise somehow collectively cover their own dumb asses
by making changes on their website,
while using the SAME internet URL and domain.

They’re too stupid to realize that
Google and Wayback Machine are easy to find,
and easily expose their rogue recent January 6 era past.

And, they’re too stupid to vaporize/poof that URL,
and begin a new website with a new name and new URL.

The epitome of misguided morons,
with the technical proficiency of turnips,
and most likely, the weapons skills and quals of Alec Baldwin.

Skivvy Stacker

The last time we had a Civil War it was over slavery, and the right of states to self determination.
This time around it’s looking to be over getting vaccinated or not, and if a president can be elected who hasn’t got a working brain cell.

Commissar

Just to be clear…while what he did was serious.., I am not treating it seriously because it is the actions of an insulated clown.

He is holding a state appointed position so not subject to the federal UCMJ.

His positions, while harmful to the health and welfare of the soldiers that have to stand in formation with the idiots who refuse to get vaccinated.., has little impact on the necessity of the vaccine for most soldiers…

In order to attend schools, go on active duty, serve on title 10 orders.., or essentially function as part of the big Army that will still be required to get vaccinated.

And all new guard recruits will still be required to get vaccinated to go to BCT.

So he is making a political spectacle of himself knowing it costs him little to nothing just before he retires anyway. And he likely has political aspirations which is why he stepped up to be the center stage clown this week.

I am sure there will be consequences for him in some form because it is untenable to allow guard units to refuse to follow DoD mandates while still receiving federal funding and expecting to function as part of the bug Army…

But this assclown does not care about those consequences. This is a political stunt for him.

Animal

I don’t get your concern for their welfare. Your comment above has identified them as enemy forces.

Hatchet

Commie-czar-ZEK snivels yet again: November 13, 2021 at 1:03 pm – Just to be clear…while what he did was serious.., I am not treating it seriously because it is the actions of an insulated clown. Spelling and syntax errors, contradiction of references. – He is holding a state appointed position so not subject to the federal UCMJ. A firm grasp of the OBVIOUS. AND..? – His positions, while harmful to the health and welfare of the soldiers that have to stand in formation with the idiots who refuse to get vaccinated.., has little impact on the necessity of the vaccine for most soldiers… Supposition at best. Basis, supporting FACTS? – In order to attend schools, go on active duty, serve on title 10 orders.., or essentially function as part of the big Army that will still be required to get vaccinated. Belabouring the OBVIOUS. Again. – And all new guard recruits will still be required to get vaccinated to go to BCT. Again – basis, supporting FACTS?! – So he is making a political spectacle of himself knowing it costs him little to nothing just before he retires anyway. And he likely has political aspirations which is why he stepped up to be the center stage clown this week. More OPINIONS – No FACTS. I am sure there will be consequences for him in some form because it is untenable to allow guard units to refuse to follow DoD mandates while still receiving federal funding and expecting to function as… Read more »

Animal

I gotta say this is a new step for you. I’ve disagreed and agreed with many things you’ve said over the years, but you just openly advocated violence against your fellow citizens over ideological differences. If that is what your cause is about I want nothing to do with it.

A Proud Infidel®™

I’ve said again and again that the Antifa and BLM take their actions right out of the “Sturmabteilung” or “Brown Shirts” playbook and he does a great job of projecting that!

SFC D

In the grand scheme of life, your feelings and opinions matter very little. Much a like an infant screeching for attention. It’s all noise and bluster, just a pile of “look at me, I’m relevant dammit!”

Hatchet

^ ^
THIS

UpNorth

Well, Commie-czar does have the whole infant screeching thing down pat. It’s the only thing he even rises to the level of mediocre in.
Nothing else he does carries even the tiniest bit of relevancy.

nobunny

His DUI’s banner would say “Sound & Fury!”… or “Sound & Furry!”… who knows about ol’ Lars…

SFC D

There’d also be a large spoon, representative of the liberal / progressive/ socialist/ communist dogma he’s been fed.

nobunny

Spoon and a glass of Kool aid.

Mason

I doubt he’s a furry. Those people seem like they’re pretty happy and joyful.

nobunny

Good point. At the very least they have a sense of humor. My money’s on he likes to be kicked in the balls. So maybe a spoon crossed with a whip…

MarineDad61

Like Oklahoma, like Germany.
But who’s listening here?

“A federation of imbeciles has ensured that
Germany is being hit extremely hard by the fourth wave
– much worse than many other European countries.”

[Anti-Vaxxers and Politicians Push Germany to the Brink]
https://www.spiegel.de/international/coronavirus-in-deutschland-wenn-impfverweigerer-auf-ein-land-ohne-politische-fuehrung-treffen-1636729575-a-1495255a-25af-4b8e-9727-4ea7f26db55f

Poetrooper

So you’re on board with forced vaccination?

MarineDad61

Poetrooper,
No. Not forced for everyone in the USA.

Before you pull your political card out, read this 2018 story
about what happened in Philadelphia (and around the USA) in 1918.
Remember, 2018 was before 2020, as you read about 1918.

BTW, my son is deployed overseas.
They ALL got the vax.
And very few bitched.
Because they see what’s going on in Europe and North Africa.
Not with war,
but with virus, spread, and numbers.
And for almost all of the deployed Marines,
it’s NOT about Biden, Trump, Fauci, nor wingnut attitudes.
It’s about serving your nation,
keeping your ass alive and fit for duty,
and protecting your fellow Marines.

And yes, it was forced on the few deployed Marines who bitched,
that is, if they wanted to remain a (deployable) Marine.

So, for military deployed to other hotspots around the world,
YES, I am on board.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/philadelphia-threw-wwi-parade-gave-thousands-onlookers-flu-180970372/

MarineDad61

Add…
For all DEPLOYABLE military in the USA,
YES, I am on board.

Poetrooper

Well once again, we disagree. This Covid vaccine, like no other vaccine that came before it, was rushed through the approval process because of a political need of the federal government to be seen as doing something positive to save the populace. Now, at present, with successive failures of the vaccine to provide protection from infection, we are being asked to accept a possibly ongoing process that involves who knows how many “booster” jabs to temporarily maintain a highly questionable immunization process. What ol’ Poe hears is a desperate federal government saying, “Okay, so the first two jabs didn’t work, but by God, this third one will, just trust us.” Well, ol’ Poe’s a thinking man and just not quite that susceptible to desperate government propaganda. So screw those fools… You seem like a pretty smart guy, Marine Dad, so aren’t you wondering just a little bit why the federal government seems so intent on making sure every American gets this injection of a rushed vaccine containing who knows what in terms of long term consequences? Of even more consequence, if you had a daughter of prime child-bearing age, would you want to subject her fetus to the potential risks of physical deformities or brain damage that might result from government dictated vaccine injections? I’ll wager you wouldn’t. So think about how many young women of prime child-bearing age are in our military forces right now. Or on a probably larger scale, how many husbands subject to the vaccine mandate… Read more »

MarineDad61

Poe,
Then disagree we will.

We had 3 separate rounds of “infect thy fellow member”,
selfish and careless spreaders at our local (unnamed) veterans org canteen.

First, by a old drunk regular (female),
who kept coming in even after she tested pos,
not telling anyone.

Then, by an EMPLOYEE, a barmaid,
who also didn’t tell anyone about her pos,
because she didn’t want to lose any work hours.

The 3rd (happening right now) is an org officer,
a hard core anti mask and anti vax type,
who at least is now staying away,
while he does his time coughing his ass off at home,
now that he’s out of the hospital,
and the cat is out of the bag.

Shitty behavior by those we should be able to trust, and doing it around elderly and easily susceptible canteen members, MOSTLY VETERANS.

So yo know, Poe.

MarineDad61

Look, I’m a little pissed off about all this. I live in an area where multiple nursing homes got ravaged last year, my Gulf War Warrant Officer is dead, after going to a hospital for unrelated reasons, and getting it and dying at the hospital, locals are LYING about their status and condition, selfishly risking the lives, health, and safety of others around them, all kinds of local anti mask / anti vax loudmouths are getting it, and giving it to others, not to mention (but I will) the string of national news stories about vocal anti mask / anti vax types on talk radio, local politicians, and other blowhards using their microphones and visibility, telling everyone else what they should do, and then catching it and dying. So, since NO ONE really knows what to do, and never did, the best answers out there are somewhere in between the careless do nothing but whine about mask discomfort and cry freedom types, and the lock us down into financial oblivion types. As I said in early 2020, NO politician will go on record saying it’s ok to lose 1% (3.3 million out of 330 million), or that we should let 1 million die so that everything is fine for the other 330 million, but what price is the right price to pay to keep that last 1 million alive? We’ve spent a shitload, and it hasn’t been working out too well. And, as I type this, we’re over 3/4 million… Read more »

Roh-Dog

“we’re over 3/4 million (dead)”
Absolutely wrong. Assuming facts not in evidence.
Many upon many ‘cases’ were presumptive and even when tested the positive outputs had little, if anything, to do with The Novelest Virus of All Time.

Also, this shot negates natural immunity.

This has been 600+ days of medical malpractice and doing *nothing* we would be in the same spot as today (with less tyranny and less unnecessary debt).

It’s time to stop pretending these shot do anything of benefit for those with very little risk. (Ie our uniformed Brothers and Sisters)

Poetrooper

Best advice ol’ Poe can offer you, Marine Dad, is you might want to find another place to drink besides that petri dish of a bar at your service organization…

MarineDad61

Poe,
It’s not a petri dish, but a flask.
The board has repeatedly voted to post paper about, but NOT enforce, the changing PA guidelines, since reopening late 2020, and throughout 2021.
(Risking the wrath of the Liquor Control Board, and possibly the liquor license.)

Like smoking, it was a long time safe haven for skipping the masks, and taking cracks at those who (played the game and) wore them.

SFC D

So now that we know that vaccinated folks can spread the virus, are you just as aggressively hateful towards vaccinated people who carry and spread it? Or do they get an exemption? Where is your line drawn?

Roh-Dog

“So now that we know that vaccinated folks can spread the virus…” at a higher rates than the unjabbed as they are asymptomatic longer/moarer than the Pureblood.

The spike protein is the danger, let’s make those proliferate the body. That’ll fix this! /s