Derek Chauvin found guilty on all counts
Geoge Floyd handcuffed and lead away from his vehicle. (Sell It Media/The Daily Mail)
Derek Chauvin was found guilty of the counts against him. They were second-degree unintentional murder, third-degree murder, and second-degree manslaughter. Prosecutors will be asking for an enhanced penalty during the sentencing.
From the Post Millennial:
The panel of jurors was made up of five men and seven women, with deliberation beginning Monday after three weeks of witness testimony. The jury deliberated for 10 hours.
Video went viral last May of now-former police officer Derek Chauvin kneeling on George Floyd’s neck for over nine minutes while Floyd was handcuffed in a Minneapolis parking lot. Derek Chauvin and three other officers were fired days after the incident occurred. Floyd died on Monday, May 25. By Friday of that week protests and riots began, and lasted throughout the summer across the US.
Chauvin’s lawyers had argued that the former police officer acted within reason during the arrest of George Floyd, claiming that Chauvin’s actions were in line with Minneapolis Police policies and that there was reasonable doubt as to whether or not Chauvin’s actions directly led to the death of Floyd. They said that the aggression Chauvin showed only came after Floyd had resisted arrest.
The prosecution maintained that Chauvin acted with “cruelty and indifference,” causing Floyd’s death. Nearly 40 witnesses were called to the stand over three weeks. Chauvin was not one of those witnesses, as he and his attorneys determined that he should not take the stand, invoking his 5th amendment rights.
Officers were called to the scene by a nearby shop employee who said Floyd was trying to pass a counterfeit bill.
Chauvin had initially agreed to plead guilty to third-degree murder, though it was quashed by then-US attorney general William Barr who believed the plea would be seen as too lenient.
The Jury’s findings are read in this video:
Former police officer Derek Chauvin has been found guilty of second-degree unintentional murder, guilty of third-degree murder and guilty of second-degree manslaughter in the death of George Floyd. pic.twitter.com/25NoaKn2md
— The Post Millennial (@TPostMillennial) April 20, 2021
The Post Millennial has more details on the story here.
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Just a question. He was found guilty for killing George Floyd. OK. He was charged with all three, there were second-degree unintentional murder, third-degree murder, and second-degree manslaughter. How can he be found guilty on all three when he only killed one person?? He should be found guilty on one of the three. You can’t kill someone 3 times, can you? Just curious how this works.
Three different courts: Those of public opinion, law, and political expedience?
From what I understand, federal charges could still apply, somehow, if he wins on appeal. Not sure as to why. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
He could only be prosecuted on a federal civil rights violation charge. If he won on appeal he could only be given a new trial. I doubt an appellate court would completely reverse his conviction.
Jurors will vote for anything if they’re intimidated.
Here is a half hour long body camera video of the George Floyd incident. This video provides a different narrative than what the left advocates.
I can see the jury afraid for their own lives convicted the man. Depending on your patrol sector, how about effecting the Fergesson effect so you don’t wind up in the clink.
A well-connected minority of Godless people, who transact exclusively in violence, now run this country. If something external does not sway this course, our internal strife will be ruinous.
Amen, Roh-Dog.
Saint Floyd , drug free for over year, and supporting his family/baybay mom.
Except for the meth, fentanyl, coke and weed found in his blood. I guess passing counterfeit $20’s was to support his baybay mom.
LARS?
He’s putting on his Black Bloc and getting his street medic bag ready for tonight…
Biteme: This conviction doesn’t bring back George.
Yeah, a real shame. Lost a true scholar, gentleman, and productive member of society.
Night time is approaching and it begins.
Be safe.
Yup… applies to Antifa/BLM only, everyone else gets arrested/prosecuted for defending themselves against them:
Pathetic.. there is no more rule of law, only mob (communist) rule..
Crime is about the really go up in “high crime” neighborhoods. You think cops responding to “shots fired” in an alley aren’t going to be making a “business decision” about how fast/if at all they go down the alley way?
Will this summer be a repeat of ’68?
Potentially worse. At least in 68, the “leaders” didn’t support the insurgents.
I was 5 years old in ‘68. My dad was stationed at March AFB. My folks sent me to stay with relatives in Idaho, didn’t want me anywhere near California that summer.
And to top off this debacle, there was another shooting in Columbus, Ohio. A teenage girl shot and killed by police.
Stand buy for heavy rolls.
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1384635008611127299?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1384635008611127299%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Face.mu.nu%2F
Yep, the social democrats really really want to get all that gun restriction through. They are staging shootings all over the country now.
Girl had a large knife, was threatening two other girls with it, was shot while trying to stab one. Sometimes a good shoot is just that, regardless of the race of the asshole who got shot.
All very true, and absolutely non of it matters to the left.. The fact that the DRT is black is all they need to know to start rioting..
If the hadn’t shot the bitch, and she fatally stabbed/slashed her intended victim, the same shrieking dickheads would be screaming “racist” for not stopping it. A knife is a deadly weapon; you counter a deadly weapon with equal or greater force, hence, shoot the bitch. But that doesn’t matter because the agenda-driven narrative outweighs any kind of reality.
Nope-we never would have heard about it, black on black crime doesn’t move the needle for the media.
Just Lurkin,
New day.
New rush to press (for clicks and ads).
New MSM media spin.
New street protest.
Even with the money shot
knife in hand
bodycam video out there.
Even with MSM who still can’t bother to figure out and verify if she’s 15 or 16,
even though the non-custodial mother stated early on that she’s 16, not 15.
By the way, the 60 Minutes Oath Keepers episode
(recent VG page) was the highest rated TV show of the week, and among the highest rated 60 Minutes episodes of the year.
With 8 million viewers.
More than 8 million watched 50s prime time reruns of 30s and 40s Three Stooges shorts.
https://www.tmz.com/2021/04/21/columbus-ohio-cop-shots-kills-makhia-bryant-black-teen-knife/
I’m considered to be the ‘Left’ here, and I think the shooting was clearly justified. Thinking this to be equivalent to George Floyd just because the ‘result’ is a black person shot by a white cop, while ignoring all of the circumstances of the situation, is utterly idiotic.
LC,
Yes, and LeBron (James) fell for it,
doxing an Ohio cop photo with “You’re Next”.
He and many others are now “injustice hunters”,
trying to pin any new police action into hate crime.
Irresponsible MEDIA (Huffington Post and ABC6 in Philadelphia are Ohio story examples) are culpable, too, for pushing inciteful partially false partially misleading early stories.
For the clicks, and the revenue$.
Because racist narrative sells,
and incitement sells.
Ugh.
https://www.tmz.com/2021/04/21/lebron-james-youre-next-instagram-post-national-police-senator-nba/
Maybe I’m slightly more optimistic than you, but I’m inclined to think more people, including LeBron, will come around once the full circumstances are widely shown.
To me, it’s understandable that some people just assume this fits the (valid, in my opinion) narrative of excessive police violence, and in particular white officers shooting black people. Not correct, but understandable. And it takes a bit of time to let the emotions settle and reason take over.
It’s a bit like how in politics, conservatives are biased towards believing any bad story about Biden or Clinton, and liberals are biased towards believing any bad story about Trump. But, over time, some portion of those people will let the facts determine their take on things, vs their emotions. Not all, and definitely not as many as I’d like, but I’m optimistic that it’s more than the crazies who’ll believe their extreme take even without evidence to support it.
Or, to put it differently, I don’t mind the ‘hot takes’ being wrong, so long as they give way to the truth in the long run. I’ve just had CNN on, and they’ve had multiple commentators and leads talking about how this certainly looks justified.
There is plenty of ‘woke twitter and youtube’ filled with black supremacists and race hucksters that peddle these false narratives.
Because of complicit MSM, liberal stupidity, and/or misplaced guilt, the culture surrounding the woke-a-verse has a poor way of taming itself before jackasses jackass, see above.
As you partially implied, this is feeling-based response to a nuanced situation. Unfortunately for “King James”, the video had been out for hours and the rumor that this was a justified use of force was already circulating. The professionally aggrieved-class will continue these knee-jerk reactions, so long as it carries social credit points because in the media space, more so now then ever, it is more important to be ‘spiritually right’ than factually correct.
Not to mention, this fish is rotting at its head too. When we have a ‘President’ green lighting injustice and militant reaction its not hard to see more of this is on the menu.
The reason we believe so many stories about Klinton and Resident Biden is because they are based in fact and are in fact true. Some of us were watching these two cockwombles for decades, and know them for what they are.
As for CNN actually speaking the truth, I missed that. But then, it happens so rarely. But, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
She weird how many of you all defend Chauvin and act like he is some innocent martyr.
Is there any use of force or violence an armed agent of the state could subject citizens to that you wouldn’t defend?
The usual sycophantic authoritarianism from “small government” conservatives.
*so weird
It’s always easy to determine which position to support by simply waiting to see your stance.
@ Commissar – clearly – you have absolutely no concept or actual grasp of the fundamental FACTS of the Floyd/Chauvin case(from a citizen’s and/or a LEO’s point of view). Also glaringly apparent; you’re consistent inability to apply something as simple as grade-school spelling and syntax. Dude! Seriously!! PLEASE!!!! Unfuck yourself…
Wait, wut? Who was defending who?
Who the fuck is defending him, dipshit?
Manslaughter? Maybe. Murder? Oh, fuck no.
Then again, the communities in which crime is already out of control are going to be suffering most in the long run, because cops will be leaving in droves, with only the incompetent or unqualified left.
Lemme know how that works out.
NHSparky,
Irony, that many Philadelphia murders get pled down to manslaughter,
and many who kill are out in 6-8 years.
Then again, that’s (only) for the murderers who actually get caught.
Only because, Philadelphia is loaded with citizens who see all, but say nothing, because they claim they didn’t see anything (correct English version).
Philly is already living the outcome of hiring a Portland, Oregon police chief, as their newest politically correct diversity hire, for police commissioner.
Violent crime and murder statistics are up, way up, in 2021.
Another brilliant contribution from the failed LEO himself.
No one here is defending him, you shit-and-run waste of life.
Nobody defended him. I see people asking good questions about the charges and convictions, and refusing to believe Mr. Floyd was the pillar of the community that we’re led to believe. There was no way justice could ever be served in this case. There is no happy ending, regardless of the findings of the jury. The cries of “justice for George Floyd” are not what the mob wants, they want vengeance and retribution. There is no winner here. Mobs will burn the city, loot the stores, and call it a mostly peaceful protest. They will then whine that they have no grocery stores, no Walgreens, no Starbucks. And somehow, it’ll be blamed on institutional racism and white privilege. So go inventory your medic bag, put on your best black bloc costume, go aid your antifa buddies, go strike a blow for your socialist utopia. You’re a fraud and a disgrace to the uniform you wore.
“They will then whine that they have no grocery stores, no Walgreens, no Starbucks. And somehow, it’ll be blamed on institutional racism and white privilege.”
It has long been ol’ Poe’s observation that these “retail deserts” are almost always an outgrowth of the unlawful and illogical behaviors of their customer bases.
My dad always said “you don’t shit where you eat”.
Absolutely PT, who in their right mind wants to open up a store where they KNOW there’s a high risk of getting robbed, burned and looted?
I can go to my old beat(s) in the city where I worked and see empty storefronts all over. Where good people tried to provide a service for the folks and got driven out. Mostly by thieves who stole them blind, burglars who caused more in damage than they ever stole and, in a few cases, where those folks got burned out.
Once it begins, insurance is impossible to afford.
Lars,
Those who deal in facts and care for truth and justice know Chauvin did nothing wrong.
It is fark-heads like you who don’t care for anything but your vile belief system that don’t see that.
Kindly go put yourself in the way of the riots tonight – and don’t come back. Ever.
I didn’t…
he obviously got what he deserved
I’m guessing he won’t he doing any more
9 min neck jobs
I’m wondering why or how he made it
All these years as a LEO with all the formal complaints
And investigations against him
It was only a matter of time
Before he did something like this
Minneapolis PD never has to police itself– Democrats want a goon squad and they can afford paying damages.
Might have something to do with the coroners report that said he died from a drug overdose of fentnyl. Floyd even told the cops who busted him that “I ate too much drugs”. Chauvin abused the guy, didn’t kill him. The jury voted to convict because of the agitation of Waters, the undisciplined morons who would riot, and the fact that someone got their info out to the world so the jury pool is now known. They threw this turd under the bus to save themselves.
I watched the video tape, you could tell that he said that he ate too many drugs. This speaks volumes for someone who apparently had a high tolerance for drugs.
I haven’t followed the trial closely, but it seems to me the prosecution pointed out that Floyd would not have died had it not been for the knee on his neck for all that time, and the defense… didn’t really refute that. I caught a little bit of testimony where one of their expert witnesses tried to say the exhaust from the car could’ve been a contributing factor, but then admitted he didn’t even know if it was running? That’s not exactly compelling.
I’m not sure how you arrive at a different conclusion here. It doesn’t mean Floyd was a saint, or devoid of health problems that were exacerbated by his arrest that could have contributed here. Hell, in my opinion, it doesn’t even mean Chauvin is some sort of monster. But without his actions, Floyd wouldn’t have died. He’s guilty, and largely responsible, though I think there’s a little bit of that resting on other shoulders too.
Go to the Legal Insurrection blog and read the coverage by attorney Andrew Branca. He presents all sides and the prosecution does not come out of this looking good. And the defense had a very strong case.
Thanks, I’ll check it out tonight. If that’s the case, I imagine the appeal will get interesting. I admit I fail to see how the defense has a strong case prior to reading more; it seemed Floyd was already in handcuffs when Chauvin arrived, and his actions were excessive per the testimony of multiple expert witnesses. But I’ll keep an open mind, as I don’t know much about legal matters.
Have to disagree with you on your comment that Floyd would not have died but for the actions of the Police. He had toxic levels of narcotics in his system, per the autopsy. He would have dropped dead regardless of what the cop did. But don’t worry, his family got tens of millions of dollars from the city, the entire city has been destroyed, and all of the past victims of his assaults against them will never see a nickel. Wondering if the pregnant woman who did the home invasion mourned his passing.
Regardless, he has plenty of ammunition to have the verdict overturned. He was not granted a change of venue, the jury was not sequestered, and of course, Maxine Waters chiming in should have caused a mistrial. Still would like to know how they convicted him of all charges, you would think it would be one of them, but how the hell is guilty of all three simultaneously?
I am going to disagree with you Hack, which is a rare thing. It is very likely that Floyd had built up a tolerance to the drugs he had taken and what would be lethal for you and/or I was just another Monday for Floyd.
In my state it is one or the other for conviction on charges. IT doesn’t really follow that a conviction on 2nd and 3rd degree murder makes sense, however my understanding is that the sentencing is only on the most serious charge.
Let’s say that the 2nd Degree conviction gets thrown out on appeal. I guess that means he is till hemmed up for the 3rd degree, although he might need a new sentence on that charge.5
5JC, while it is likely true that Floyd had built up a tolerance to drugs, it most assuredly does not rule out death by overdose. Such incrementally increasing tolerances is what kills so many of them. Almost all addicts require ever-larger doses to achieve the high they seek.
Until they finally take the one that takes them out…
Happy to see any information to that notion – you say he had ‘toxic levels’ of narcotics in his system, but the prosecutor said otherwise:
Source: https://apnews.com/article/trials-us-news-death-of-george-floyd-racial-injustice-a7c9b49984016908d0bdbb385db66ec1
That link also has the following blurb:
As for all the charges, like I said, I haven’t followed the case much – I think manslaughter is an ‘easy’ charge, but without knowing the details behind the murder charges, those do seem to be a higher bar and more questionable to someone like me. It may be they’ll get reversed on appeal, but I highly doubt the manslaughter charge will. Again, to me, it just seems hard to conclude it was pure chance that a long-time drug user like Floyd just happened to die coincidentally while under the knee of Chauvin, and there wasn’t some causation there. That seems incredibly unlikely.
Their experts also testified that if Floyd had died and the cops weren’t around, his death would have been declared an OD.
Their cardiac expert also testified that high blood pressure is a good thing. It makes your heart stronger. 🙄
The prosecution’s “experts” were abysmal.
Maybe I’m missing the context, but that doesn’t strike me as contrary to the verdict. If someone with a weak heart, for example, was suddenly accosted and died due to the shock, the cause of death would be the sudden shock, not just ‘heart failure’. But if nobody was around, it’d be heart failure.
(Actual case where this happened:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/scared-to-death-heart-attack/ )
Now that I didn’t see.. got a link? I did a quick google, but found nothing suggesting that.
The context is that Floyd OD’d. That’s what they testified to, except they believe it was a homicide because the police were restraining him at the time.
It was on Day 11 I believe. Don’t have the time to watch it all again.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/04/chauvin-trial-day-11-wrap-up-breaking-trial-expected-to-end-testimony-this-week/
This POS is getting what he deserves
Unfortunately this makes good cops
look like crap to stupid people
More departments need better 3rd party oversight
But it don’t going to happen in my lifetime
George Floyd has been drug and crime free for nearly 11 months now.
Finally clean isn’t he
Bullshit. You don’t kneel on someone’s neck for ten damn minutes and tell me you didn’t mean to kill.
I hope Chauvin gets sentenced to hang…it would be a fitting end.
Cocksucker.
Amen ^^^^
Since when does kneeling on a neck, given no structural damage to the vertebrae, impede either blood flow or oxygen?
Simultaneously kneeling on the neck and lower back – yeah, I could see that restricting one’s ability to breath, but I fail to see how that equals murder.
He was negligent, criminally so; I’m not saying otherwise. From the available evidence, however, he’s no murderer.
As if people aren’t upset enough by all of this and just when I thought that no one could be more of a complete dip-shit than Justin ‘Show-me-the-Money’ Trudeau – this idiotic women comes out and publicly states this?! Whoa…
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/04/21/pelosi-thanks-george-floyd-vpx.cnn
I can only hazard a guess that this women must be a transplant surgeon’s day-dream; heartless, gutless and her brains and asshole are seemingly interchangeable…
Another low for the Democrats. Floyd didn’t die intentionally for any great cause. He wasn’t serving some higher purpose.
Mason,
More accurately, Floyd died because he didn’t listen and learn from comedian Chris Rock.
(The 20 year old comedic PSA,
which I’ve posted here several times before.)
That video “How to Not Get Your Ass Kicked by the Police” should be played in Congress.
And I want to go on record that Saint Floyd should not have been hassled or arrested. He is one of a privileged race that should be allowed to commit whatever criminal act makes them any money cuz reparations are due them.
“Dindu Nuffin” opened for “Fractured Taint” at the Roxy back in ’82…
HMCS(FMF),
Interesting, I put Google Fu to work on this “Fractured Taint” phrase I never heard before, and came up with this:
[Staff Sergeant Justin Druskis booted for Stolen Valor
Jonn Lilyea | October 28, 2015]
And, the 2015 comment is from you. 🙂
https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=62503
Been using that term for a whole lot longer …
If Chauvin or any officer had responded and managed to place him in a patrol vehicle without scuffle (hardly likely as Flyod was having an overdose), and he died of his heart condition and drug overdose, the mob would still claim racism killed Flyod.
I am not a big fan of police as I have had my experiences with a few who have done some pretty dastardly things that were well outside the law, I will not go into detail.
But at the end of the day not all police are bad, and Chauvin did nothing wrong intentionally. The fact the jury returned such a verdict is more a testament to how far gone our court system is.
Our nation has failed to remain free under the contract of the U.S. constitution and Bill of Rights. Law and government are merely just tools for which the powerful punish the vulnerable and extort control by way of fear.
The mob is the only thing that matters to rulers who do not understand anything other than intimidation.
! agree.
John, this is the first time I’ve seen your name up here in a long while. Have you been missing in action or have I just been missing your comments?
Nice to see you post again, John…
I’m now living in an apartment building here in Vernal, Utah, for senior residents.
After three surgeries on my collapsing spine, I am now totally disabled and housebound.
But, as a disabled war veteran (i.e., Agent Orange), I receive a healthy compensation and pension from the Department of Veterans Affairs and the Social Security Administration.
I’m well looked after, with lots of medication, including opiates, a wheelchair and walker, a daily lunch from Meals on Wheels, a nurse visiting each week, and a certified nursing assistant visiting three times a week to help with personal hygiene and do light housekeeping.
As KB3KWS, I’ve become active in my local ham radio club, and I’m visited each Sabbath by the Priesthood, who administer the Sacrament.
Using ZOOM on my computer, I’m able to attend the Sacrament service, and the Sunday School, each Sabbath.
So, for me, life is good.
I wish everybody could be as well off as I am.
Someone wrote a fairy tale initially on 25MAY20 regarding this incident…and that’s what was reported.
Man Dies After Medical Incident During Police Interaction
May 25, 2020 (MINNEAPOLIS) On Monday evening, shortly after 8:00 pm, officers from the Minneapolis Police Department responded to the 3700 block of Chicago Avenue South on a report of a forgery in progress. Officers were advised that the suspect was sitting on top of a blue car and appeared to be under the influence.
Two officers arrived and located the suspect, a male believed to be in his 40s, in his car. He was ordered to step from his car. After he got out, he physically resisted officers. Officers were able to get the suspect into handcuffs and noted he appeared to be suffering medical distress. Officers called for an ambulance. He was transported to Hennepin County Medical Center by ambulance where he died a short time later.
At no time were weapons of any type used by anyone involved in this incident.
The Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension has been called in to investigate this incident at the request of the Minneapolis Police Department.
No officers were injured in the incident.
Body worn cameras were on and activated during this incident.
The GO number associated with this case is 20-140629.
Had there been no civilian video of this incident that story would be the only story anyone would know. And no one would know who the hell George Floyd was except his family.
Unfortunately this press release does exactly what Skippy states above, makes every other press release suspect, especially in the absence of third party video.
Instead a 17 year old girl with a phone camera had video that not only indicated the official release was somewhat less than honest but also led directly to Chauvin facing many years behind bars.
Sometimes one person can make a difference, a 17 year old girl made a difference that day. Here’s hoping that bodes well for the future of the nation.
Maybe I missed it, but I didn’t see them introduce the police body am footage and argue from that angle, and refute the other video.
As for Lars the dipshit, 3d degree murder is akin to the wanton disregard for life – like dropping a cinder block from an overpass into incoming traffic…and if it kills someone, that’s it.
IMO, Chauvin should have been convicted of involuntary manslaughter. The other charges seem to be overkill.
There’s not an appellate court that will overturn anything on appeal. That is where this country is now.
Agreed I saw no body cam introduction either…which makes one wonder if the body cam footage confirmed the events of the day…because one has to believe if it contradicted the prosecution’s narrative it would have been the lead off for the defense.
With respect to the cinder block comment I understand your position, but as Americans we should hold those we hand a gun and a badge, to a somewhat higher standard of behavior than some morons who drop things from highway overpasses…
That gun and badge should mean your word is your bond, as in a court of law we are asked to give deference to the honest word of law enforcement.
Moments like this will damage that deference, perhaps irreparably, where moving forward the assumption will be somewhat different when assessing the overall nature of honesty from officers.
No disagreement from me, VOV.
Yes, I believe Officer Chauvin should be held to account for his actions (as I do for all LEO’s and other public servants), but the disparity in charging him with 3d Degree murder was, IMO, a little overzealous.
Ah, but when law enforcement officer breaks the law he becomes a criminal does he not? And what is the number 1 rule all lawyers tell their criminally accused clients?
VOV,
While I disagree with the verdict, I am happy with the idea that independent individuals are able to record and present evidence. What that 17-year old girl did should be celebrated.
I can’t be as sanguine about it as you seem to be, though, as that particular liberty comes from the same place as mob justice.
Our own revolution, of course, began with sensationalist, independent newsmen rallying the public – but was tempered by legal and economic minds that eventually stepped in to direct that vitriol toward productive ends. Today, we seem to be missing the second half of that equation; without that, the future is going to look a lot more like the Terror of the Jacobins than the seminal years of this great American experiment.
Still have a lot of questions about all this. Some of them may have been answered in court, but like many of y’all, life sometimes gets in the way of watching non-stop TV.
Wonder how many minutes responding EM personnel were delayed due to the (rowdy) crowd milling about.
There were plenty of distractions that day. Must have had some impact upon any ability to concentrate on that knee-on-neck procedure.
Why was this even an authorized procedure? Choke holds went out of fashion decades ago. This is obviously just as dangerous.
Got more, but that’s enough for now.
I can’t answer the majority of your questions, but kneeling on the neck is not a chokehold.
There are various types of chokeholds, as well as different techniques that apply torque to the neck (often referred to as “neck cranks”), and their utility is varied. You’ll often come across distinctions between “blood chokes” and “air chokes,” with the Rear Naked Choke seen in MMA and various combatives programs being the most common/recognizable form of “chokehold.” Done properly, it is a blood choke and relatively harmless in the long-term.
Kneeling on the (back of the) neck better falls into a category that I would term “control” techniques. I cannot think of a reason to intentionally hold the position for that long in those circumstances, beyond distraction by the perceived threat of the gathered mob, but the technique, itself, is not particularly dangerous. Given that there was no physical damage to the neck anatomy in the coroner’s report, a death by asphyxiation (still up for debate) would more likely be caused by inability to fully inflate his lungs than by any form of choking. Whether this would be due to the drugs he had taken, congenital issues, or the pressure on his back (to include the knee on his neck), I have no idea. If he truly died of asphyxiation, I imagine it was a combination of all those factors.
I don’t have the reference handy, but I believe it is an authorized technique according to the MPD rule book.
As far as the 2nd Degree Unintentional Murder charge, I cannot possibly see how he was found guilty when the death has to occur during the commission of a felony – when the only felony would be the homicide, itself, this belies all logic.
I’m no lawyer, but it appears to me that Chauvin’s lawyer failed him. I can only hope his intent was to give adequate reason for appeal, so the case can be better heard outside of the national/global spotlight.
Chokeholds have largely been banned in police forces due to ignorance on the part of the public and elected officials rather than any inherent danger from the techniques.
I carried a shotgun in my cupola when we responded to riots in Iraq. It was the only non-lethal weapon I had with any real stopping power (round in the chamber was a rubber torpedo, followed by rubber buckshot – everything after that was lead). Some staff weenie saw pictures of the chest bruises these rounds could create and argued we shouldn’t be using them. Thankfully, I showed my CDR a picture of what actual buckshot does to a man’s chest, and he sent me a whole new pallet of the rubber rounds.
Removing chokeholds from an LEO’s arsenal is like telling me non-lethal rounds are too cruel to use.
On the other hand, I can’t see how bruising a belligerent makes him less belligerent, but killing him seems to work.
Hate Me said ” I cannot think of a reason to intentionally hold the position for that long in those circumstances, beyond distraction by the perceived threat of the gathered mob”… And that right there is the truth of the matter. Beyond Floyd resisting arrest in a drug fueled condition, the crowd bears responsibility as well. Whether the crowd was an actual threat, or just created a situation where Chauvin felt he could not back down (ego, attitude, fear of the mob, or whatever else on his part) appears to be the main reason why he held that position for so long. Of course if floyd had not already attempted to kick out a window of a police cruiser, none of this would have ever happened. So he, chauvin, or the crowd could have prevented this outcome. sadly, they all chose to take the wrong action
Nobody remembers his short carrier as a adults film actor (The Landlord) on Pr&nhub. Its was less than 8:28 seconds.
True.
Is carrier a typo, or is “short carrier” an analogy for certain physical shortcomings?
Also, who pays attention to the male actors in a porno? As an engineer, I assume you’re familiar with the bridge analogy.
Just wondering, but has Floyd family attorney, Ben Crump, made a public service announcement advising people to follow instructions during a police interaction?
A few simple pointers:
-Don’t struggle during an arrest
-Don’t draw a gun on the police
-Don’t run away
-Don’t try to drive over the police
I am sure there are other valuable pointers.
Well…
Anonymous,
Bingo.
It’s only been out there for about 20 years,
and I’ve spent 5 years plastering it around the Book of Fake
(and about 1 year here, too).
🙂
BTW, did anyone see Chris Rock’s standup stage gig,
where he blamed HILLARY CLINTON
for the Bill Clinton impeachment?
He makes a great point. Or 4.
🙂
After this (and other similar news reports), who’s ever going to choose to go into a career in law enforcement?
Increasingly, law abiding citizens will be forced to rely on their own means of protection.
That’s a good question, but let’s face it, for the most part, being a cop is a good government job with above-average pay and benefits so there’s really no chance that the job will go un filled, no matter how awful the working conditions.
What will change, very likely, is the caliber of applicants for those inner city police force jobs.
Officers with education, experience and good disciplinary records will likely start shopping their resume’s to posh departments in suburban Whiteyville where they can deal with drag racing high schoolers and cats in trees for $60k/year.
Which in turn means those $40k/year inner city jobs are going to go to less qualified, less experienced, and less disciplined officers who can’t find a job at a more reputable department.
Not exactly a recipe for harmony.
Word.
And the eventual (and ongoing) rising crime numbers from increased and more strict ROE and the mass exodus of police officers (as mentioned) will continue to push up my property value from the white flight.
I mean lets face it, why go down a dark alley and put yourself at risk when there is a good chance you will get fucked anyway.
I mean, “hey Chief, the dude was wanted, had a weapon, demonstrated dangerous behavior, was coming at me, etc.
What the fuck was I supposed to do?”
“Hopefully, if the suspect was black, then why not turn to page five of your “deescalation” manual and go from there. That is what the new Police Oversight Commision trained you to do!”
Whether you believe Chauvin was guilty or innocent,a lot,and I mean ALOT of police officers were paying attention.
Damned if you, damned if you don’t.
You’re absolutely right. Lots of paying attention.
They’re paying attention to the likelihood their own department won’t back them, followed with the media narrative taken out of context, the call for mob justice, coupled with public officials throwing them under the bus.
Seems the rule of law is a moot point nowadays.
Martinjmper says, “What will change, very likely, is the caliber of applicants for those inner city police force jobs.”
And those lower caliber applicants are guaranteed to provide a lower quality of policing and an increase in the type of incidents that drove the good cops out.
It’s going to be combination of both. What isn’t being accounted for is the immediate exodus of officers and the reduced applicant pool/laterals. It takes time to get folks through an academy and FTO. And there are a limited number of FTOs so there’s that bottle neck too.
Baltimore is down to 700 officers in a department authorized over 1,100.
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/baltimore-police-manpower-falls-below-700-sworn-officers-as-morale-fades/
But everything is going to be just hunky-dory there according to Baltimore’s Police Commissioner:
“Harrison said that his officers are currently in training under a new program called EPIC (Ethical Policing is Courageous). Harrison said the program is “a peer intervention system that teaches officers how to step in front of their colleague to prevent a bad act,” and adds that if the officers involved in George Floyd’s death had this training, “perhaps it could have been prevented.”
Oh yeah, just go ahead and step between a violent/resisting/armed perp and an officer with a drawn weapon–that’s really smart.
That’s what I’d expect from a guy who spent 28 years in one of the most inept and corrupt police departments in the country, New Orleans.
https://www.wbal.com/article/510450/21/we-all-knew-it-was-wrong-harrison-says-chauvin-verdict-wont-affect-baltimore-policing
The NOPD has been repeatedly rated as the Nation’s worst in past years.
For past decades is closer to reality–having lived there in the ’70’s and then doing business there for decades after moving away, ol’ Poe can attest to it.
Interestingly, through the years when I would try to explain to people that New Orleans wasn’t like other Old Deep South cities, I always described it as being more like Baltimore.
It’s still true…
Meanwhile, Baltimore focuses on what’s really important to their Democrat leadership, climate change:
“Baltimore County will have solar panels installed at two closed county landfills, County Executive Johnny Olszewski announced Wednesday.”
“Olszewski also signed an executive order calling for county government to generate or displace an equivalent of 100% of its electric demand with renewable energy by 2026 and 125% by 2030.”
https://www.wbal.com/article/510543/3/baltimore-county-landfills-to-become-solar-farms-olszewski-sets-ambitious-green-goal
Another empty promise to kiss up to their political agenda, I wonder which campaign donor will end up supplying the stage props, I mean solar cells?
The standards will be lowered. Even at that, there are numerous agencies out there (even in “safe” quiet communities that support LE) that cannot get anyone to apply. I know of one agency in my state that’s rural, quiet, and with a low cost of living. They had three openings and got zero applications. This is a state that used to have at least 50 apps for every single opening, no matter how small or remote.
And then, there’s the unspoken truth in policing. That is, the assignment to the worst of a city/county area(known by various terms, i.e. ghetto, inner city) is often used as punishment by inept, stupid police administrators. Or, occasionally, as a way to get back at someone for a slight, real or perceived.
Of course all of the above comments are assuming that this is not an intentional movement to drive all good cops, ones who believe in the rule of law and the rights of citizens out of the profession, to be replaced by willing low intelligence stasi willing to ignore any and all Constitutionally protected rights, who will without question load “enemies of the state”, otherwise known as “deplorables” into box cars, gas chambers, or just plain shoot them…
I used to think like that, but given the comments from the left over the last few years, it seems very clear that is exactly why this is happening..
If they intend to “load [us]… into box cars, gas chambers, or just plain shoot [us]…” that implies that they’ll have us surrounded. GOOD! That’ll simplify finding them to strike back.
Big MIC is 0 and 3 in guerrilla conflicts, and if history is a guide a shutout is looking like a safe bet.
I agree, wasn’t for a second saying that it was a good plan, or that it had any real chance for success, just that it’s what they’re planning..
I wonder just how quickly Floyd’s family will burn through the money handed to them?
Unknown.
Has Big Al Sharpton taken his cut yet?
Didn’t Big Al already take a small cut (24K) of the 27 Mill when he delivered the eulogy at Floyd’s funeral?
He used it to pay his back taxes.
Hey, it could happen.
Those private jets ain’t cheap. Don’t hate the player, hate the game.
Another day, another riot to rationalize the shitty behavior of some klowne that got caught doing illegal shit while all pumped up on various levels of an exploding cocktail of illegal substances…
another couple of ruined cities followed by more of the exodus of the people that live and work in those shitholes.
I have no clue why libturds always want to turn everything into a shithole. Austin has become that, it is unsafe to go to Sixth St after dark and becoming a shithole during the day too… I explain that to all my customers when I drop them downtown from the airport.
We haven’t had a riot in this town since Sgt Daniel Perry shot and killed one of the morons as he pointed his weapon at Sgt Perry……
HA !!!!!
Fuck off to all you butthole bun bois and may the golden bird of paradise take a shit in your supper plate tonight !!!