Twitter permanently silences Trump
Twitter has announced a permanent ban of the President of the United States. This is a stunning move against free speech. Even more stunning is their reasoning. As I said elsewhere here in the last few days, whether you agree with Trump or not, or agree with the way in which he speaks/tweets, this is a huge blow against free speech in the modern age.
After close review of recent Tweets from the @realDonaldTrump account and the context around them — specifically how they are being received and interpreted on and off Twitter — we have permanently suspended the account due to the risk of further incitement of violence.
So just what is the “incitement to violence” Trump engaged in?
On January 8, 2021, President Donald J. Trump tweeted:
“The 75,000,000 great American Patriots who voted for me, AMERICA FIRST, and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, will have a GIANT VOICE long into the future. They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!!!”
Shortly thereafter, the President tweeted:
“To all of those who have asked, I will not be going to the Inauguration on January 20th.”
They claim these two tweets are a “glorification of violence.” Here is how they “assess” the threats as they place them in “the context of broader events in the country.”
We assessed the two Tweets referenced above under our Glorification of Violence policy, which aims to prevent the glorification of violence that could inspire others to replicate violent acts and determined that they were highly likely to encourage and inspire people to replicate the criminal acts that took place at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021.
This determination is based on a number of factors, including:
- President Trump’s statement that he will not be attending the Inauguration is being received by a number of his supporters as further confirmation that the election was not legitimate and is seen as him disavowing his previous claim made via two Tweets (1, 2) by his Deputy Chief of Staff, Dan Scavino, that there would be an “orderly transition” on January 20th.
- The second Tweet may also serve as encouragement to those potentially considering violent acts that the Inauguration would be a “safe” target, as he will not be attending.
- The use of the words “American Patriots” to describe some of his supporters is also being interpreted as support for those committing violent acts at the US Capitol.
- The mention of his supporters having a “GIANT VOICE long into the future” and that “They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!!!” is being interpreted as further indication that President Trump does not plan to facilitate an “orderly transition” and instead that he plans to continue to support, empower, and shield those who believe he won the election.
- Plans for future armed protests have already begun proliferating on and off-Twitter, including a proposed secondary attack on the US Capitol and state capitol buildings on January 17, 2021.
As such, our determination is that the two Tweets above are likely to inspire others to replicate the violent acts that took place on January 6, 2021, and that there are multiple indicators that they are being received and understood as encouragement to do so.
There’s an awful lot of mind reading going on there. They should open a psychic hotline since they seem to know what Trump is thinking.
Apparently saying that your supporters are not going to be silenced and saying you’re not going to a party are incitements to violence. This is the same Twitter that still allows Ayatollah Khamenei, the Supreme Leader of Iran, to make threats against the US, Israel, and their allies.
Category: "Teh Stoopid", Trump!
The Twitter banhammer has been dropped on more…
Is this a techno-Kristallnacht happening?
Reichstag Fire: check
Kristallnacht: pending
SiPo/NKVD: forming up
Night of Long Knives / Purges: up next
It’s like the Left has a playbook.
He can count on his whitehouse.gov account;
press secretary Kayleigh;
or (sarcastically – his former buds -Farrah/Hicks).
Yes, I agree this presents some speech issues.
But all social media are private entities who have their own TOS (legality not debated here).
BLUF –
There is an argument that can can draw a line from Presidents speech to actions resulting in riot and death.
I sympathize most- right now- with the family of the Capitol Policeman Brian D. Sicknick.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/brian-d-sicknick-capitol-police-officer-who-died-was-proud-to-serve-his-nation-family-said/ar-BB1cB3Nt.
Right now – where are Mr. Sicknick’s abilities to speak about what happened?
Destroyed by idiots while on he was the job.
The REAL election interference is was committed by Leftist Tech Billionaires.
On a slightly different topic – Article 230 –
anyone old enough to have used the internet prior to 1996 might remember the tedium of signing into different forums because no site owner wanted responsibility for what speech got posted.
Go ahead – demonize Article 230 –
but it keeps you from having to log into every forum with a unique id based on the amount of liability a website owner wants to take on.
Imagine needing to log onto this site with user id just because this place does not want to be liable for (possibly) defamatory expressions?
I’ve been using the Internet since well before 1996. You’ve always needed a separate account at each site. Nothing changed from the end user perspective. Section 230 is all about civil liability for the communication medium.
Surprised I saw my comment made it out of moderation and I saw your response as I was heading out of here.
So here goes –
Yes I too have been on the internet since 2400baud modems. You are correct. Sites and BBBs required user logins.
The difference is that after Art 230 website providers, as far as I know, relaxed how you could comment because they were off the hook for what a poster said.
I remember a change from policies of strict documentation of credentials to the more loose standards allowing the use of anonymous posts or users names not tied to the persons PII.
That was my recollection.
So here we go. Eliminate ART230, or rewrite it incorrectly and website hosts could be required for people to list all PII to get an account. Maybe post using real names, such as writing letters to the editor in most local papers.
A website owner will want to be able to point back to the poster if faced with a libel or defamation lawsuit.
So, eliminate ART 230 or screw it up may affect freedom of expression on the internet. my two cents.
Thanks for your perspective. Now gotta fly. Take care and stay well.
To be clear, I’m not for removing Section 230 protection. I’m saying they lose that protection when they start to editorialize, which Twitter and Facebook both have just this past week. They’re publishers, which just like papers and other publishers, are subject to civil suits.
I want the Internet (to include all “public square” forums) to be free speech.
I still have to sign in to comment on several fora. For that matter, I have to sign in to comment on this site. what’s the big deal?
timactual
Sir – don’t know your real name. we both would prefer to keep PII off posts, I think. This is redundabt to what you see above, but in case you missed it…
If Art 230 did not exist, a provider might require all your PII on file in case any bought libel or defamation cases against the web site for what you might post. You might have to log in using your real name. Posts you made might be used against you. That is why Art 230 is under debate.
Also –
No harm has been done to President Trump by this action.
His ability to speak is not impaired.
I’ll post this again…
because it got stuck in moderation…
Also –
No harm has been done to President Trump by this action.
His ability to speak is not impaired.
But a lot of harm has been done to America.
The idea that social media platforms are not publishers is ridiculous. They are also the modern equivalent of speaking on a street corner, and they are willfully eroding our freedoms and specifically free speech.
The Tree of Liberty is thirsty.
Sorry, as it appears that my comment to you is stuck in moderation.
To your point, my comment about internet publishers is that change happened with Article 230.
The Internet is fluid and international and subject to change at any time.
Look at restrictions placed on internet speech placed in other countries domains.
Do you even know who hosts the servers for this site?
What laws might apply that could speech on this place you post on?
My point, to you, is
Free Speech on the Internet is not free. Prepare more to pay to express yourself on the internet. Sites must fund backup and change plans, or plan to go dark.
If that is not clear, well, it’s late, sorry.
Well, meant to say *Prepare to pay more*
@Devtun
I think the above applies. Okay to be frustrated with the system, but still remains, if Parler is under stress – when does their backup plan kick in?
“Failure to plan results in piss-poor performance”
If any site is going to survive on the internet, fee or subscriptions are likely.
I seem to recall a debate here not so long ago.
Everybody needs funding.
That’s fine. Then they don’t get to pretend to be a free speech platform with those protections and they damn well better start curating it more judiciously. You shouldn’t get carte blanche to straddle both because “Those guys aren’t the good guys.”
Watched Tucker’s show tonight, oh man, Parler is under severe distress. Not just Google & Apple shit canning their app, but Amazon provides technical infrastructure & support for Parler. Dadgummit to hell.
All significant opposition will be silenced. No opposition allowed. Free Speech is going to have new costs:
Cancellation, poverty, revenge, oblivion.
Yes. Also, Apple has stated it will not allow Parler on its devices, the only alternative to Twitter, unless Parler allows its content to be moderated according to some unstated Prog standards. Any dissent from the Prog party line will not be tolerated by big tech.
Alternatives such as Gab, MeWe, Donaldtrump.com?
Also, to Mason’s point – how has the Presidents free speech been impaired?
And before I’m again labelled as leftist or snowflake or seagull – bear in mind I did my time in Hell’s own brown pastures –
Ft. Hood; Ft Huacucha; Ft Stewart, Ft Ord, Ft Irwin, Ft Devens and overseas. Yeah, leg and REMF, but only because I got TRL before PMDB.
Also still a six gun totin, m4 carrying patriot.
And now you are using your military service to give weight to your opinion.
You don’t need to do that. It actually undermines your points, because it looks like your arguments cannot stand on its own.
Well, Joe, I find that a strange statement in that eveyrtime I look in here it seems that someone is bolstering a comment by going on about being a longtime firefighter or peace office, EMT, or commo wiredog, or somesuch.
Last time I posted here some people started throwing labels – whether they were deserved on not. so the post was not to bolster an argument as much as to say consider the person before throwing shade.
And just because I was a remf MI guy, didnt meant I didnt bust my ass on wheels and tracks in the motorpool, or didnt break track in the desert; drag concertina through the swamp to set up a TOC or tie down crap on the railhead.
I know I wasn’t a snowflake. I get it too, not to be so thin skinned – to remember a label is only a noun or a name – but if I have a label here it should be soldier. That’s all my gravestone will read.
Gotta go now, take care.
” say consider the person before throwing shade.”
Bullshit. Theoretic ally we are supposed to be commenting on other comments, not the people who wrote them. A stupid comment is a stupid comment no matter who posts it, and no matter their military bona fides. I have said bad things about comments from people I generally like or respect (as far as I can tell over the internet) and I have mad comments that even I think are stupid, ignorant, and downright embarrassing. You want to flaunt your military “credentials? Not impressed. Don’t give a shit. You want to share an anecdote or interesting experience or some knowledge gained by personal experience? I’m all ears.
“if I have a label here it should be soldier.”
Fine. As long as you remember that even soldiers can be moronic dumbasses and/or dishonest, worthless pricks. I hesitate to speak for others, but I know I have met a few.
Hey, man, no problem with your comment. We all met assholes, in military and out. It hard to gauge character through text posts, so I’ll agree with all you said except one thing.
You say I am ‘trying to flaunt military credentials’.
Wrong – all I did was list some places I was stationed. Not a credential mentioned. Never have, probably never will besides maybe the NDSM which seems to kicked around a lot around .
I never felt the need to tell a bunch of stories either, as I always felt them to be less deserving of those who served in combat.
Listing some stations was meant to say I had been a grunt. Didn’t mean to make a point of it except to say what I did.
Having to clarify comments here is such a pain.
and I know the saying goes, if you having a problem, with a lot of people the problem is you.
So I’m gone for a while. Take care and stay well.
You take off the uniform, the military’s stuff goes in a box. Nobody cares.
He has access (for now) to his @POTUS account, yes. In two weeks, he’ll be a private citizen, and won’t have access there. Sure he’ll have his surrogates, but that’s not the same. If Twitter is supposed to be the new public square (as they’ve repeatedly professed in Congressional hearings), then silencing someone for something that is objectively not incitement to violence is not acceptable.
The answer to bad speech is more speech, not censorship.
That’s not Jack and Zuck see it… it’s all about the information.
Ft. Devens was a “Hell’s own brown pasture.” I don’t think so, unless there was massive Glowbull Warming after I left in 1974. Cold, frozen, and dark winters is what I experienced. I saw lotsa green when suspended from an MC1-1 canopy every spring and summer when we jumped onto our airfield drop zone.
By the way, during the late 70sand mid eighties and early 90’s I did language training for members of the 5th, 7th and 10th groups so I maybe met you or someone you knew.
yes, my SERE class was there in the winter and hell cold and brown it was. I don’t recall there being much cover besides what found to hide in the ground and bare trees. I went back for ASI K3 training in 74 or five and the daily trips out to deploy the jammers along the rutted mud trails north of Devens was no picnic. That FTX was a joy. Back again for BNOC in the lovely month of February. Not sure where you deployed out of or when but we always deployed to the cantonment areas in the north and the cadre always made sure we always enjoyed the worst of the weather. Yes when I went up for TDY I saw green spaces and forest but that was much later on when I was doing training for guys going overseas.
I was with the 10th from about October 1971 to March 1974. The only language training we received while I was there was three weeks of intensive German before they shipped us to England and dropped us into Southern Germany one very dark moonless night in early September, 1973 (IIRC).
Ok, did not start training people in mid east languages until mid 1978. At that time my classes included military, DA civilians and others.
I met people in various SF units throughout training.
RIP my best bud Steven T.(SFC) 5th Group.
Throughout the years as Groups changed AOs I met personnel from some other units. I wasn’t granted permission to attend AB training until 1987 as part of the packet when I was accepted for an assessment course.
Sorry, my comment got stuck in moderation. Short answer I started training military and others in language since 1978. I’ve been in language classes with Group members since 1974. First 5th Grp than others as units changed to new AOs.
Our three week course was at Devens and taught by a woman who was a native German. The only one on my ODA who didn’t have to attend was my black SFC commo man, who had just been to DLI’s German course. Needless to say he was worthless to me on the exercise as an interpreter. I could just hear the locals in the village I operated out of asking, “Wo ist die swartze Mann?” But he did a great job making all our radio receive and transmits on the old AN/GRC-109. Mine was one of the few teams that never failed to communicate.
Ah, days of the CEOI green books. Inevitably someone lost a page or book and then it was the mad dash to ensure everybody had the next rota. Good times.
Gotta go. Stay well.
@Mason
Does Twitter or any other social media platform have an obligation to provide for free speech?
Does the American President have other means to address the Nation?
Where is the infringement on speech?
They own their editorial position, thus should have no immunity for being a neutral platform. They are misusing 230 to edit/cancel but shield from the consequences. They monopolize without legal consequence.
They net-effect act as government. Symptom: monopoly of force
If you want a libertarian/free-market template, they can’t use government to shield themselves from responsibility or consequence. They have to go to court as buck naked as Jo(e) Six-Pack, no legal exemptions, no copyright, legal humans only no “corporation” to shield humans, -free- market not -defined- market,
All that government-created stuff goes away in true “free market” . But they are not Human free market entities, they are government-created entities.
Government created, authorized, empowered, consequence-shielded, and now weaponized force-monopolists.
The destruction of opposition is a huge “tell”.
You’re conflating infringement with censorship, 98z. The President’s free speech is absolutely infringed by these bans. Censorship would be done by the government, and a violation of the 1st amendment.
He appears to want it both ways.
Protect Twitter from litigation, as a neutral platform. No consequences if poopyheads fling poo.
Remove any and all poopyheads we don’t like, only allowing poopyheads we do like. Poo flinging is only at the proper targets. No consequences for their bias.
230 doesn’t say “no consequences for poo-flinging”. There is an -if-, a big if, if you do not exercise editorial control over the poo-flinging.
I demand enforcement of the agreement. Either they edit and are a publisher, per the law, or they are a neutral platform and are protected, per the law.
Choose.
I was not thinking of censorship in discussing twitter because I thought the President had many other channels to communicate through and ready access to both official – his press office, and media interviews; and informal such as Parler, Gab, MeWe, and DonaldTrump.com. Not a twitter user myself so I did not see it’s loss as a big deal.
After reading your comments, I can see how you see how it is selective infingement and therefore could qualify as censorship BY twitter. Sure it’s loss of easy access to his fans, but I’m sure he can adapt. Many are jumping the twittership, anyway, aren’t they? Anyway I asked the question to see some answers and have seen them. Gives me something to think about, which as the singular motive for me. Got no other axe to grind except one different issue for another time.
@SFC D and 11B –
My response was meant for both of you with the first section primarily for SFC D. Failed to hit the correct reply button.
11B – I wasn’t trying to argue two points. My first question to Mason was how was the loss of twitter an impairment to the Presidents freedom of speech?
I’ve seen the answers to that and will think on them.
For my point of view it is a private communication entity doing what the owners want. I would not be surprised to see it go away or change severely as the market changes.
My other point is if you count on any internet medium for speech, you will be disappointed as some point. Changes in philosphy, leadership, governance.
Prepare for a new type of forum where you pay for speech if you want to speak freely.
Is that censorship – yes – by the system that says you must be able to afford to speak.
Done giving my views here. Going away for a while to take care of family. thank you both for your time.
Also, as other posters have said today, be careful how Article 230 is rewritten because it will impact freedom of speech.
So was AT&T, so are the radio networks, so are all the television networks. Right now Twitter, Facebook, and Google are totally unregulated and are free to (and have, repeatedly) hide behind Section 230 as a means of silencing that which they do not like.
As much as I do not want to see the FCC take over regulating the shit out of these Internet companies, that’s where we’re headed. They’re clearly editorializing. Read the link in the article at the top if you haven’t. They infer and contextualize to twist words how they see fit to show it violates their terms of service. It’s no different than a newspaper’s editorial board writing political hack job articles.
“President had many other channels to communicate through..”
Not really. His ability to communicate relies entirely on the media’s willingness to allow him to. There is no presidential television, radio, or newspaper. How do you hear about what the President wants to say? Only what the media want you to hear, and that was true long before Trump. Trump merely brought it to the public’s attention, and that is one reason the media hates him.
Since time is limited and I may not be back for awhile I answer my questions:
1.There probably isn’t any obligation for any free entity to provide any speech on their platform on the internet.
Local, regional, national and international laws apply in differing ways.
2. Obviously President has many ways to address the public besides the internet.
Mason, Perhaps I missed your point. I tried to gist it as best I could. If I mistook your argument, it’s on me.
But the are so many click-bait low effort posts around any more, man, I wonder at the attempts to just gin up outrage.
Honestly, I only look here occasionally now due to sentimentality for times on the old Jonn site. There used to be so much insight, military lore and camaraderie.
So-
In all respect to the Veterans and Warriors, present and passed – for America and the World.
Especially for those posters and lurkers here, who honorably served, best wishes and regards going forwards.
So Parler, new home of Trump and others freely expressing himself, has been banned by appstore/playstore.
You know, that freedom-protecting duopoly, AppGoog.
Free Speech is dying at the hands of the left. Again. No dissent tolerated. Nothing against them, nothing outside them. No quarter.
Again.
And we will be told to calm down and go along. “Two wrongs don’t make a right!” but a whole bunch of left-wrongs make sure there is no right.
Note how fast that last paragraph was validated.
How long before TAH is targeted for “corrections” or outright deplatforming?
“Stick to Stolen Valor”
Must show “balance”
Get off our servers!
Everytime, I write a response, I have to refresh the page to see what else got written before responding. That’s a challenge here.
Yes, my points above say prepare for the blowback because few legal rules apply across the internet.
Your arguments concerning market positions – corresponding obligations of internet entities such as twitter – are interesting but have no basis in law that I know of.
Perhaps those here who are legally trained might remark.
I don’t think free speech is dying, it moves around a lot.
“Free Speech” is moving, yes. It is being “relocated in the east”.
If they want to be “publishers”, exercising editorial control, then they must accept that they can be litigated as such. They should not enjoy the litigation shield of a Section 230 “neutral platform” which does not regulate content.
One or other.
Right now, they are this weird twixit where they heavily edit/censor yet demand to be treated as a neutral platform without liability or consequence.
If one advocates for “they have freedom to do as they wish” then they cannot have shielding from the consequences, sheilding that ordinary humans lack.
They lobbied for a special protection based on a neutral behavior. Either return to neutrality or lose that special status.
How can one argue they are free to do as they please, when they specifically said that they would limit their behavior in exchange for special status? (Neutral “platform”)
yeah, about that, I’d like to carry on but must take meds and get sleep. regards
I wouldn’t be surprised if Lars and SteeleyI are cutting and pasting links to send to the owners of the server that TAH is on.
Also, remember what got Lars banned he when Jonn (RIP) was alive – he stated that this was a racist site.
Remember when Lefties went to court to demand Trump not ban some annoying folks from his Twitter feed, because “Free Speech!” ?
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I was waiting on Lefties to have that “oops, my bad” moment of introspection.
Pepperidge Farm remembers. Pepperidge Farm also remembers those annoying commercials on TBS with Samantha Bee where she kept saying that Donald Trump was going to take away our right to free speech. Today’s word boys and girls is Irony, brought to by the letters DNC.
Progs uniformly are lacking the introspection gene.
This should make it obvious that the left will go to no limits to destroy this Republic. Ranks right up there with blaming a music video…or reasons. “At this point, what difference does it make.”
Are those black choppers I hear? Where did all of these black Suburbans come from? When did the trains start hauling passengers in cattle and box cars? No, I don’t need a shower right now.
The FCC tried to control free speech on Ham Radio back in the late
eighties, early nineties. Profanity is still not allowed but the
attempt to stiffle political conversation went nowhere and in fact
strenghtened the resolve of Hams everywhere.
Don’t let big tech shut you up.
Get licensed to use the public airwaves. YOU own them, not big tech.
It is very simple to get licensed. Some technical understanding
along with recognition of rules and regulations is about it.
Take a look at the ARRL or similar organizations for more info.
I have been licensed since I was nine years old so it is not difficult
for anyone to obtain a license.
Do not look at “licensing” as a deterrent. We have to be licensed to drive on public roads and the public airwaves are quite similar in
that there are rules of operation but free speech is the name of the
game and once it is gone you might as well just sit down and shut up.
Cut your own tongue out.
Can Muslims and Orthodox Jews operate ham radios?
Sure, but not quite sure about eating your own tongue.
Are ham radios Halal or Haram?
Hiram….as in Hiram Percy Maxim:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiram_Percy_Maxim
There are kosher and halal approved frequencies in the 2m, 6m, and 10m bands. 11m is a vast wasteland.
“11m is a vast wasteland”
Lack of sunspots has kept 11m relatively quiet Trumps entire term.
You copy that Biden?
Just wait another year or two.
Worldwide open mic night.
Every night.
I look forward to riding the solar maxima this time around
as it most likely will be my last. Not on 11m though.
My interest is more of a technical nature.
RF is a lot fun.
Apparently we are looking at a stronger than usual maximum this cycle. Mr Sun has awakened from his nap.
https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/sunspot-update-december-sunspot-activity-once-again-higher-than-predicted/
They tried with the “Equal Time Rule” back in the day…
https://mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/949/equal-time-rule
My Drake R7 shortwave receiver broke down for the third time and I have to send it to a guy in Ohio who worked for Drake back in the day. I hope he is still around. My SDR WinRadio stopped working and the last shortwave receiver Icom IC-R75 I have I don’t know how to manually tune in the stations even by reading the manual.
Well the moron had 4 years to fix the problem.
and he didn’t……..
I don’t feel sorry for him
Great Job Barr protecting the swamp
No wonder why people think Republicans are idiots
Because they are
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Time for a third party
A-fucking-men, Skippy!
Pretty much.
Bull Moose Party 2024
Would not surprise me a bit.
In the 1840s, no party would embrace Emancipation as a platform plank, despite widespread and growing popular support for Emancipation.
In 1850 some folks stepped up to the plate as the Republican party. The “meh on slavery” Whigs promptly imploded. By 1860, the Republicans won the Presidency.
There are now tens of millions of folks who feel screwed by Republicans, and probably ten million more who feel marginalized by the Democrats.
Critical mass.
Fifty or sixty million people are enough to start winning, assuming we ever again have an honest election.
I am sure the powers that be will -very- quickly ensure that only their message is heard, and only their teams can play.
Implosion
Third party was impossible until Maine liberals invented and succesfully used
Ranked Choice Voting to break up the “most votes” they could not win by.
Watch now as it spreads into national elections.
If neither Democrats nor Republicans get more than 50% the election
will go into Ranked Choice and the third party will win…every time.
The liberals invented this weapon. They can easily die by if Ranked Choice becomes
the standard for federal elections.
Kinda like Harry Reid and his fillibuster rule nightmare.
Ranked choice screwed up Maine bigtime but I see a Harry Reid moment here.
Dang. I need to go buy a bunch more popcorn!
Where is the “like” button?
3rd would be a huge win for the left. It cost Bush Sr the presidency. Division will make it easier to conquer.
How has the Republican party won lately? They were almost as bad as the Donks, other than a few good things like keeping left-loons out of federal Judgeships. And what conservative gains were made were under Trump incessant pounding. But seriously? They were mostly failure theater because they do -not- work for working folks, do not -want- to work for working folks, and -despise- working folks where they lack indifference.
Note how Quisling they get, how quickly, when Donks get in.
The Republican party elite despises and dismisses you, the way the Donk elite do with their-side ordinary folks. You are useful tools at election time, and only then. Your input is neither wanted nor followed.
The Whigs made the same calculation, and went politically extinct. The then-new Republicans picked up enough Abolitionist folks from the other parties, including the Donks, to win the Presidency in just ten years.
We lose under Donks and don’t win much if anything under RINOs, and get sold out by RINOs at the drop of a donk-turd, so why exactly stick with them? They had the House, Senate, and Presidency and …. Didn’t do a repeal of the disaster of Obamacare that they said they needed all three to repeal. Or a bunch of other stuff that was “just as soon as we get back in!”
Oh, snap. We remembered!
Watch. The RINOs will -happily- go along with ensuring there is never again a blue-collar insurgency in the Republican party. They would rather sell their few minority-party votes to majority-Donks than stoop to working for the rabble as a majority.
Watch. It will happen in just a few days. Oh, wait. Already did.
Watch.
Spot on 11B.
Condemn or condone what happened Wednesday, you can lay the entire blame for the state of the Country and the attitude of the people square at the feet of the self centered power hungry grifting politicians of BOTH parties. Also too, whether one believes that the vote count was correct or not, that still leaves nearly 80 millions of pissed off people…many of them armed and dangerous.
Step back and count to 10. Percentage wise, the last War Between the States’ casualties to todays population would equal nearly 10 million bodies. And that was opposing Armies using single shot short range weapons. There were more cartridges sold this past year than were fired during that 4 year period. Most of the millions of weapons out there today are not single shot. And the foot soldier is not limited to a 40 round cartridge box. It will get very bloody, very quickly.
Make peace with your citizens, you foolish elected officials.
Sadly, I agree with you. I don’t see the point of supporting the Republitards anymore. They enjoy being in the minority and serving as loyal opposition to the Donks.
We need a new conservative party. A constitutional party who embraces free market capitalism, small government, and the defense of our constitutional freedoms.
Without free market capitalism there is no small government, and without small government there is no constitutional rights.
Fer shure, dude. Totes agreement.
Bush lost that election all by himself. Perot was just a symptom, just like the strong primary challenge by Buchanan.
That’s why it has been called (jokingly, of course) the “Stupid Party” for years.
He broke that “no new taxes” things a big FU to the rank-n-file, and they stayed home.
Of -course- they blamed Perot for appealing to those deplorables. How dare those folks -not- vote as told after being told FU.
Twitter is a private company; they can allow or disallow any speech they want.
I like Trump; I voted for him twice, in person both times. Yet the sad reality is that Biden is going to be our next President. We don’t have to like this, but national unity requires that we accept it. I know it sucks hard, but it is what it is.
Remember Nixon? When he lost the Presidential election in 1960, he didn’t get mad. He worked on a comeback, which he successfully launched in 1968. That is what Trump should do.
TL;DR: We lost this inning…but the game ain’t over yet.
They did not go after Nixon in 1960. That came later.
They are making sure there is no Trump second effort. They will try to impeach him to make sure he can’t run. They will prosecute him and all significant supporters. They will audit them endlessly. They will de-platform and de-bank them. Third parties of any significance will be frozen out by rule changes, “to avoid confusing voters”. They will destroy his wealth, and any who support him.
Watch. They are telegraphing it live, in real-time. They will now ensure that never, ever again will anyone act against the insiders. Trump scared the shit out of them, because he demonstrated how easy it was for Americans to regain control of their government, and how fast the prior damage could be undone.
They won’t let that happen again. No “Bernie” can get a Donk nomination. Now no “Trump” can be a Repub. And to make sure, they together will crucify Trump to make sure no one ever again dares to play “outsider” or act for the folks outside the insiders.
The Howling Mob is another story. They want heads on pikes. The insiders will placate the Mob with sacrifices, and weaponize it as a curb on political insurgents.
Watch.
As I say…it ain’t over.
Rest, regroup, then fight. Legally and peacefully, but no less forcefully.
We can still win. I’m not giving up. I hope you’re with me on this.
Not over, by far. But anyone who thinks things haven’t gone -way- off the rails should re-evaluate.
After he lost in the ’62 CA gov race:
Oh, Twitter is a corporation, not a private person.
So?
It is people organized in a legal framework (Corp) to limit personal liability. Further, they chose legal category “neutral platform” versus “our way publisher” for additional protections.
I am demanding we enforce the contract. Either be a protected neutral platform, or exercise editorial publisher control and give up those extra “neutral” protections.
Choose. Can’t have it both ways. Either/or.
They can have it both ways.
The mods here do,
And if they revoke section 230 protections then there will need to be an almost immediate ban on pretty much every pro Trump group on every platform in the country,
Because MAGA won’t stop talking about rising up to “stop the steal” and are inciting each other to violence.
And thus you don the jackboots, entirely as predicted. “Shut up!” Bad people may not speak, even if you have to lie about them.
It is guaranteed that we may petition for a redress of grievances. If you folks silence folks, and prevent that petition from even being heard in court, it is you forcing the consideration of alternatives.
Which is the plan of the Left.
And the one-sidedness of allowing left-riot but demanding right-sheep is kinda glaring.
But you don’t matter. Your own side won’t trust you, or long tolerate your input. Your associates always save the worst horrors for their deviants and heretics.
Enjoy the karma, fraud.
Commissary that of course will never happen. If it did the riot at the capital will look like a Sunday Stroll.
I’ll bet the Declaration of Independence gives you nightmares.
It has long been said that the real test of free speech comes when speech with which you disagree needs protection. It is traditional that freedom loving Americans just grit their teeth and protect all speech even when we find the message to be disgusting or worse.
Meanwhile, the owners of the various interwebz platforms are certainly able to run their places as they wish using whatever criteria they wish to use. While it may be legal, what they are doing now may not be smart or ethical. They should be able to get around that by applying their standards to everyone but they clearly are not doing that.
What Nancy and her minions are doing right now is flaming the fires. They should be very careful what they ask for.
I think that everyone needs to shut up for the next few months. Passions are running high. It’s just a matter of time before someone does something regrettable.
It’s time for a national timeout. Rest, regroup, get our collective shit together. Until then, no engagement with the other side. You know…a ceasefire.
Requires both sides to cease fire. They won’t stop and are doubling their efforts.
And they are not offering a ceasefire or cooling off. They are exploiting a breakthrough and working on “destruction in detail” .
Watch.
Biden already compared two sitting Republican senators to Goebbels for fuck’s sake.
In MI, the dictator governor Whitmer made at least one divisive, unbecoming post (her wearing a shirt apologizing for Betsy Devos on behalf of the State of Michigan) and then calls for unity.
The Democrats are making a full court press to force Trump to resign and/or impeach him from a job he’s got less than two weeks left in. There’s zero reconciliation coming from that side of the aisle.
See; Biden was out of line on that one.
All I want is for both sides to be civil.
I guess that’s too much to hope for. 😤
Is there any evidence that civility is not simply surrender? Not seeing it.
The Left isn’t saying “calm down”, it is saying ” get them!”.
I believe them. Rather not, but they are going to extremes to do so.
Nonviolence and peace can work. It won’t for genocidal opponents, or major tyrants that don’t care for principles.
I ain’t gone over to violence. Trying to shock folks into seeing we are a few steps from nightmare, and the other side is jogging. The Left needs to back the fuck up or no one can.
Show me -they- want civil discourse, versus wanting my silence and obedient surrender.
I am waiting on that sign. Show me.
They are Borg. Resistance is futile. YOU will be assimilated.
What we are seeing to today is the culmination of decades of planning and positioning. The left was complacent in 2016 and were surprised when “Her Turn” didn’t happen. Four years of undermining and Trump still got more done than in the 50 years that many of the career politicians got done. As you and others have commented, they did not make the same mistakes in 2020. One party rule will become the new normal.
As we’ve stated many a time, Trump was not their target, we were. He just happened to be in the way.
The usefulness of their idiots is almost over. Imagine the surprise when it is not water coming from those shower heads.
No. They are human beings, deluded into following their false messiah leaders.
Borg were far less dangerous than deluded humans.
Civil, um hun.
https://nlpc.org/2020/06/01/antifas-call-to-violence-gets-free-rein-on-twitter-while-trump-is-censored/
I agree the Progs are like the Borg, but they haven’t yet achieved the level of power where resistance is futile. But one party rule is their ultimate goal.
They said before the election that if they win both houses and the presidency they have no intention of working and negotiating with Republicans. They’re a vindictive lot.
When they’re in the minority or want something done they demand cooperation. When the shoe is on the other foot, they refuse.
As soon as the Republicans start playing by the Democrat’s rules (the Biden Rule, removing the filibuster for judicial appts, et. al.) they cry foul. Which is funny because they cried when the Republicans used their anti-filibuster stance, but they’ve repeatedly said their first order of business in the Senate is to completely remove the filibuster. I’m sure that will never backfire on them, right?
All I want is this:
State your case honestly and fairly.
Answer all rebuttals from the other side.
Let the people decide.
That’s it. But as others have pointed out, that doesn’t work against a lawless opponent (think Antifa, BLM, etc). So we have the Second Amendment.
When tyranny is law, revolution is in order. I don’t think we’re there yet. I condemn the violence at the Capitol as loudly as anyone. But if the Left keeps pushing, all bets are off.
I remain hopeful our incredibly resilient system can survive this fiasco.
Not sure the other side allows that. But looking for that sliver of positive outcome in this shitshow.
“I guess that’s too much to hope for.”
A bit late for that. To quote Andrew Breitbart,
“Fuck you–War”.
Saw a headine in which some obvious leftie says no reconciliation is possible with people who use violence to harm society. The irony is breathtaking.
Ban guns & ammo
Control media
stop free speech
restrict travel
lockdown population
Control means of production
I.D cards to leave house
Lighten up, Francis.
Who is blocking YOU from leaving your house?
No one here in MY AO is doing that.
Who is telling YOU you can’t travel? No one here in MY AO is doing that.
Who is telling you that you are in a lockdown?
No one here in MY AO is doing that.
Do you actually think anyone is going to stop you from leaving your house to go to work or get groceries?
Welcome to California by Gavin Newsom,
https://youtu.be/EHYLvwv5BFc
Spavined Gavin does not count. He is a space alien.
You know the founders imposed much harsher measures to control smallpox and yellow fever during the first few decades of our nation right?
The way small businesses are being treated is unfair. If the government is going to lockdown small business then they need to pay them to be locked-down.
Same with private citizens.
However, the lockdown of citizens is not as restrictive as you imply. You can leave your house and pretty much do whatever you want as long as you social distance from anyone not in your household and wear a mask…
Retailers, grocery stores, most restraints (take out only).., there are few business truly closed. Mostly businesses that pretty much make social distancing and safe patronage impossible, like salons, indoor gyms etc,
*Restaurants
And the death rates from smallpox and yellow fever are what? 20-40% of smallpox infectees died then. That is an order of magnitude greater than Covid. Invalid comparison!
Two orders of magnitude less lethal overall, and three orders less for the under fifty crowd without co-morbidities.
Median death age is in the high-seventies last I checked.
Ouch.
Commissary, Glad you brought that up. The smallpox rules were because Democratic Party Founder Martin Van Buren didn’t want the disease from the infected blankets he gave to the tribes to spread to the white and slave population.
Even then. Even then. Some things never change.
Let’s not resurrect the “smallpox infected blankets given to Indian tribes” by the U.S Army fraud. It was thoroughly debunked during the Ward Churchill fiasco. The only suspectedly smallpox infected blankets given to Indians occurred during Pontiac’s War in 1763. (Martin Van Buren wasn’t even born until 1782.) The British Army force defending Fort Pitt gave the blankets to a besieging Delaware tribe. So, let’s not again slander the U.S. Army with that blood libel. But Van Buren did implement the Trail of Tears, where one of Liawatha’s white ancestors helped herd the Indians west of the Mississippi.
So, the Axis of Useful Idiots are:
*belly drum*
-Commiessar
-LC
-5JC
-Steeley
Anyone else?
5JC is not a Prog like the others you mention. Anyway, by my read. He has repeatedly countered the commie cuttlefish aka the mendacious mollusk.
You will need ID’s to leave the house but not to vote. Having the ID card could get me into Publix to buy Sausage, penne, diced tomatos and tomato sauce for Ex’s great scrumptious recipe, I couldn’t resist adding that in. I have the last 3 bags in fresh saver bags in the reefer freezer.
My foodsaver has been saving ammo for years, until that Ice Shanty fell thru the deep end.
Twitter is a private company. As such they can ban whoever they want.
Just like the mods here can.
Trump knew that his claims the election was stolen are the primary driver of political violence right now…but wouldn’t stop making the claim.
Additionally, there has been pretty extensive chatter on right wing extremist forums about another “protest” with several calling for much more extreme violence. Even encouraging an armed “protest”…
During that environment Trump randomly announced he would not be attending the inauguration. Which was seen by security experts as a signal to his more extreme supporters that they didn’t have to worry about injuring him if they target the inaugurations.
So there was calls to ban him for for quite some time before Twitter made the decision.
And given the messages he has put out since then, which continues to inflame his base, and continues to claim the election was stolen…it is clear Trump is willing to incite more violence.
I have been arguing for years that many of these platforms should be regarded as public spaces and regulated as such. Which would afford far more first amendment protections to speech on this platform.
Conservatives disagree and think they should remain as they are where their rules dictate our national discourse.
It is, however, Ironic that Trump wanted to revoke section 230 protections. Doing so would make them personally liable for anything anyone said on these forums,
He wants to do it to punish these companies for perceived “unfair” transgressions.
However, revoking section 230 protections would just result in an almost immediate ban of any group or anyone who says anything inflammatory.
Which would pretty much shut down every pro Trump community on the web within weeks.
All though that is essentially happening now because half of the Republican base is brainwashed to think the election was stolen and won’t stop posting about an uprising,
Trump is a dark triad personality. The most dangerous personality you can possibly have in a leader. Stalin, Mussolini, Mao, Ceausescu, Hitler…
All dark triad personalities.
I have a dark triad personality… I want to take a long train ride to a cold place… to run a “reeducation center”.
I am flattered you read the entire post.
I guess I misjudged you. I always assumed you were just a lazy troll.
But you actually put in effort.
Ma-Bell was a private company,, I member.
Socialist.
You’re right. It was a socialist corporation. A government sanctioned monopoly detrimental to the citizens.
Remember this? Just change the names:
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
You don’t get to pull the “we are the victims” card when you lied as a pretext to try to overthrow our democracy, asshole.
Anybody who supported Donald trump on Wednesday and especially anyone that still does, is a fucking traitor.
So anyone that petitions for a redress of grievances, and you disagree, is traitor per the specification of the Constitution?
Disagreeing with others and believing ones views and saying so, even loudly and often, even harshly, is a -right-, guaranteed by the Constitution, and you are still under oath to uphold it, major.
Yes, folks get to say “cheated” and “stolen” and “fraud. The other bunch did last time. Feel free to try to argue and try to refute. You don’t get to silence them by saying “traitor”.
You epic shitstain on the honor of the Army.
Commissary, Wow your hypocrisy knows no bounds. You were the very first one here to paint dead protestor girl as a victim.
The very first one. Shameful behavior, shameful.
Traitor? From a guy that supposedly took an oath to protect this nation from all enemies, foreign and domestic. However, you justified the violence of the summer because it was coming from your side. Hypocrite!
I stated my opinion before – anyone, from either political side, that stormed the capital should have been shot!
If it wasn’t stolen, why all the secrecy? Prove it and we can go on.
Traitor indeed!
11 more days till your side owns everything that they do, they are responsible for and that happens/they let happen.
“Anybody who supported Donald trump on Wednesday and especially anyone that still does, is a fucking traitor.”
Certainly clear now why you want government regulation of media. Why not, what could go wrong?
I congratulate AW1(?) et al. for not heeding the call to banish this one. It is good to know exactly what we face.
To re-quote Andrew Breitbart—
“Fuck you—War!”.
Also, I find it interesting that so far the consequences and strategy for dealing with a toxic leader that is attempting a coup and has incited an insurrection has been approximately the same punishment as grounding a 13 year old.
Yet the right seems to feel it is very unfair to take his twitter privileges away,
What coup? So far as conspiracy theories go you are the nuttiest of all.
You’d think a civil affairs field grade officer would know what a “coup” looks like.
It’s his home. Thus all the chickenshit.
Not really. Look what a splendid job the civil affairs job did in Iraq and A’stan. Just overflowing with freedom, peace, and Democracy.
What?
You say the Civil Affairs bunch are not responsible for those (and other) outcomes?
Hmmmm. You may be right–useless as tits on a boar hog.
So you’re saying that only when the left does it (rioting/vandalism/looting/burning) it is a “peaceful protest”. Let the right take to the streets and it’s “they need to be cleansed from society”.
How Stalinesque! When is the purge?
And just for some perspective on this…
This is a crowd of rioters chanting “Hang Mike Pence!”…
https://youtu.be/Fag0aC_M0_U
They wanted to hang Mike Pence ENTIRELY because of things Trump said and Tweeted…
Like this Tweet…
“Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!“
And the brainless plebs would have blindly obeyed because they can take a hint (wink, wink, nudge, nudge).
Also, I posted an update on the Babbitt thread. New information came out making it much more clear what happened just before Babbitt was shot.
So your compulsive need for attention requires you to post in here about it too?
Snort!
https://mobile.twitter.com/CountDankulaTV/status/1347947516042629121
I’m not on twitter or facebook. does twitter and facebook make their money from sponsors and if so, maybe Conservatives who are on these two sites just quit/unsubscribe. I’m not on these 2 sites and I’m still here and alive without them. Sounds like these 2 sites are working for the new 4th Reich Reichstag.
The pawns have moved, next the minor pieces.
Oh, -this- is epic Twitter hypocrisy! -epic-
https://notthebee.com/article/the-day-after-banning-trump-forever-twitter-allows-hang-mike-pence-to-trend
It’s like they have absolutely no clue how bad this looks.
Yes, but what’s the context and the real intent of the message’s sender? 😉
Do it for one, you must do it for all.
What a joke.
Never had a Twitter account, never will.
Nonsense for clowns.
#twitterqueefs
“…the intellectuals are more totalitarian in outlook than the common people. On the whole the English intelligentsia have opposed Hitler, but only at the price of accepting Stalin. Most of them are perfectly ready for dictatorial methods, secret police, systematic falsification of history etc. so long as they feel that it is on ‘our’ side.”
George Orwell, 1944 letter on motives and role of his book 1984.