Trump and First Lady test positive for Chinese coronavirus

| October 2, 2020

Jeff LPH 3 made sure I was aware of the early morning news that President Trump and the First Lady have both tested positive for the Chinese COVID-19. Source; Military Times (AP Report)

Ronna McDaniel (RNC Chairwoman) has also reported she’s positive.

Obviously we here at TaH/Valor Guardians wish them and everyone else afflicted with the virus a speedy recovery. Naturally, the left is not so magnanimous, as we learned when Hermain Cain passed from the virus China unleashed on the planet.

Disgusting liberal blowhard Michael Moore posted a rather lengthy screed on Facebook. “He’s an evil genius and I raise the possibility of him lying about having COVID-19 to prepare us and counteract his game. He knows being sick tends to gain one sympathy. He’s not above weaponizing this.”

Fox News’s Chris Wallace, who moderated the first 2020 Presidential Debate earlier this week and proved himself a partisan hack said, “If there is one lesson from today, it’s here is the president of the United States who lives in the biggest bubble that exists on the planet, and he got it. Through no fault of his own. And so the answer is wear the damn mask.”

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said that walking around without a mask is a “brazen invitation” to the virus. Ironic because she was caught in close quarters without a mask in violation of the “saner approach to what this virus is all about” she hopes that Trump’s illness brings forth.

I’m afraid to look at Twitter or Facebook. I’m sure there is much rejoicing in the tolerant left.

***UPDATE***

An earlier version of this post was based on some erroneous information. Ivanka, Jared, and Barron have tested negative for COVID.

Breitbart has a nice collection of the Twitter blue checkmark mob, including candidates for Congress, wishing death on the first family.

Category: Breaking News, COVID-19, Trump!

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Slow Joe

The ghouls are dancing already, celebrating the demise of America as founded. And the fellow travelers don’t understand that if we go, they will go soon after, because revolutions always eat its own.

The Other Whitey

Robespierre

Ex-PH2

All those people are wishing death on the Trumps, are they?

Aren’t they aware of that old saying: everything you do goes out into the Universe and comes right back to YOU.

This is why I never wish bad things for bad people, only that they’d go find someone of their own limited mentality to pick on them.

Skippy

Well spoken
and very true

26Limabeans

This is not the October Surprise. This was expected mask or not.
He and his family will deal with it. Healthy guy, s/b ok.
I certainly hope everyone offers prayers.

The October Surprise will be the internet goes down and doesn’t
come back until after the election.

LC

Here’s to hoping they all recover quickly.

Poetrooper
Commissar

The notion that the drug works was debunked long ago.

The only reason you all keep pushing it is because Trump once did and you are being an obedient cultist.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/05/hydroxychloroquine-had-no-benefit-for-hospitalized-covid-19-patients-possibly-closing-door-to-use-of-drug/

A Proud Infidel®™

HAVE YOU EVER thought for yourself, Major Moonbat? I’m sure you don’t given the way you repeatedly regurgitate your cult propaganda here.

Blaster

I happen to know someone who was positive and symptomatic. They took HCQ and were over the symptoms in 4 days.

Another person that I know was positive, symptomatic, didn’t take HCQ and suffered for more than 14 days

One in their late 50s and the other is over 60.

Who do you know?

BruteLarson407

https://c19study.com

I’m not going to argue with you or call you names Commissar. Before falling ill, I was a clinical pharmacist in a significant hospital. I would take the combination early if it was allowed to be given to me. Results appear to me to be above placebo effect, and it’s not harmful to people without cardiac arrhythmias; or taking medications to treat them, as all of those are potentially arrhythmogenic. That site is a compendium of studies here and abroad. Out.

Poetrooper

From the link I included which you obviously didn’t bother to check out, comrade, as it might provide information counter to your lefty narrative:

“There are currently over a hundred studies on the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in treating COVID-19 (76 of them peer-reviewed) that overwhelmingly show positive results, particularly when administered early.”

I seem to recall you and a couple of other naysayers here insisting on peer-reviewed studies, Short Round, and now you don’t want to see them.

You’re waaaay too predictable to be truly interesting…

LC

I’m all for their doctors making the best choice – as of right now, Trump isn’t on it. If it were some miracle drug, don’t you think they’d have used it?

The doctor revealed that Trump has been treated with one dose of Regeneron’s polyclonal antibody cocktail, as well as zinc, vitamin D, the antihistamine famotidine, melatonin and aspirin.

Source: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/519399-read-update-from-white-house-doctor-on-trumps-covid-19-treatment

Now who knows, maybe it’ll change once he demands it. He is the patient, after all. But at the moment, his doctors gave him a bunch of things…. just not HCQ. I wonder why?

Poetrooper

LC, you’re a smart guy so you’re just being coy by pretending that every major, as well as minor, drug company on the globe hasn’t been furiously pursuing treatments for this bug among their existing and developing products.

That being true don’t you just suspect, even a teensy-weensy cynical bit, that there have been multiple new therapy developments since the last time you and Lars did your little HCQ tap dance here?

I don’t recall anyone at TAH touting HCQ as a “miracle” drug as you so disingenuously put it. All we argued was that it was a readily available tool in the existing armamentarium of physicians around the world when this virus was unexpectedly unleashed by the Chinese.

It was you and Lars who stubbornly refused to concede that this safe, widely-used drug should be used, even if it saved lives, until it had been demonstrated effective through new, time-consuming, peer-reviewed studies.

And now here you are–shown to be wrong by thousands of doctors and still-living patients in countries all around the world–continuing to play silly, dismissive, word games to downplay your error.

Shame on you…

LC

I’m always happy to see new developments, and especially ones that show a statistically significant, positive effect of a drug. When it’s a cheap drug that’s readily available? Fucking fantastic. I have absolutely nothing against HCQ as a drug. It just doesn’t, in well-designed studies, show that effect. I wish it did.

Here’s a blurb, and a source, to read about that study you pointed to:

The study that sparked the latest controversy was anything but randomized. Not only was it not randomized, outside experts noted, but patients who received hydroxychloroquine were also more likely to get steroids, which appear to help very sick patients with Covid-19. That is likely to have influenced the central finding of the Henry Ford study: that death rates were 50% lower among patients in hospitals treated with hydroxychloroquine.

Source: https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/08/a-flawed-covid-19-study-gets-the-white-houses-attention-and-the-fda-may-pay-the-price/

So, in effect, we have a study where multiple factors were in play, and it wasn’t an ‘RCT’ – randomized, controlled test – which even the Ford people admit is the gold standard. It is, in effect, of limited value – and less value than the prevailing data showing no statistically significant effect.

More directly, if the effect were real, why isn’t it showing up in controlled trials? And why do you chalk up the effects seen in the field data from the Ford study to HCQ, when it could’ve just been the steroids, which have been shown to have a positive effect already?

I have no dog in this fight; I go where the data goes. You’re the one hell-bent on seeing it be a success due solely to the fact POTUS embraced it. I’d love to see him be right. You can’t fathom him being wrong. And that’s the problem.

Poetrooper

I didn’t point to a single study but a series of them and you cherry-picked one to hold up as your continuing defense of an ultimately indefensible position.

In the many studies at the link I posted, there are indeed many negative results, but if you notice, most of those involved situations where HCQ associated therapy was implemented LATE in the progression of the disease. Where HCQ therapy is begun early in the disease process, the results are much more positive, demonstrably effecting cures.

But you know that–as I said, you’re a smart guy–you’re just trolling semantic waters trying to keep your sinking ship of HCQ denial afloat a bit longer.

You say, “Moreover, if the effect were real…” as if thousands of medical practitioners haven’t saved perhaps tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of lives by using this old, safe treatment.

But that effect isn’t “real” enough to satisfy your smug scientific fastidiousness, hmm?

LC

You can point to as many studies as you like – if they aren’t well-designed and reproducible in randomized settings,… they’re worthless. Let’s move this outside the realm of HCQ for a moment – there was a famous study that looked at reproducing published, peer-reviewed studies about cancer treatments… and found the vast majority couldn’t be replicated, and thus basically useless:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-science-cancer/in-cancer-science-many-discoveries-dont-hold-up-idUSBRE82R12P20120328

Now, was this outright fraud? Probably not, at least in most cases. It’s just the this shit is hard, and often people want to publish good results.

At the end of the day, there is not yet evidence from randomized, controlled tests of HCQ showing a benefit, so whatever the masses of other studies show is suspect.

You say tens of thousands of lives have perhaps been saved by this, and I could point you towards thousands (millions, really) of people who claim that prayer is the way to save people. Yet, doctors still use the medicines they have that have been shown to work, instead of just praying. Don’t like that example? Thousands of people swear that wearing a particular type of crystal will cure various ailments. Add magnets to that. And rhinoceros horn. And on and on.

And, once again, I’ll leave you with the original question: Why, if HCQ is so effective, especially early on, did Trump’s doctors not prescribe it?

26Limabeans

This reminds me of the arguments for and against Rid-ex.
It is hailed as everything from a hoax to a miracle.

Poetrooper

“Why, if HCQ is so effective, especially early on, did Trump’s doctors not prescribe it?”

You’re being disingenuous again. I’ve already addressed that with my comment about so many new modalities being developed that they may, even probably, have some, even several, regimens that are more effective.

I have never maintained that HCQ was the treatment of choice–only that practitioners should be free to use it if they felt it the best therapy for a given situation.

It is you and Lars who have insisted on denying them that option. I believe it has more to do with Trump than science, certainly in Lar’s case and I suspect with you as well.

Are you as rigidly insistent on the reproducibility of climate change studies?

rgr769

Trump haters gotta hate, especially anything he said something positive about. If Trump extolled a cure for cancer, our resident progs would ridicule it.

Remember what my law prof said over 40 years ago: “You cannot reason with a zealot. They believe what they believe, despite evidence to the contrary, because it is what they want to believe.”

A Proud Infidel®™️

Major Moonbat and his propaganda regurgitations are living proof of that!

Fyrfighter

Interesting that Fat Boy Moore talks about Trump weaponizing the China virus, when that’s ALL the left has been doing since the beginning..

And cue the gloating seagull…

Fyrfighter

And of course prayers and wishes to the Trumps and all who contract this disease foisted on us by the Chinese Communist.

Slow Joe

I think this counts as a Casus Belli against China.

26Limabeans

Taiwan says hold my beer….soon.

ninja

Mason:

Am confused.

You wrote:

“Jeff LPH 3 made sure I was aware of the early morning news that President Trump and the First Lady have both tested positive for the Chinese COVID-19.”

“Reports are that Ivanka, Jared, and Barron do as well. Ronna McDaniel has also reported she’s positive.”

This is NOT what I read:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-says-trump-experiencing-mild-symptoms-after-positive-coronavirus-test-say-he-is-in-good-spirits

“Meanwhile, Vice President Pence and second lady Karen Pence tested negative for the novel coronavirus on Friday morning. Senior adviser Ivanka Trump, the president’s daughter; Jared Kushner, her husband and a senior adviser; and the president’s youngest son Barron Trump also tested negative for COVID-19.”

ninja

I did read that Ronna McDaniel and Senator Mike Lee tested positive, but cannot find any source reference Barron, Jared and Ivanka tested negative.

Source for that information?

ninja

I meant Barron, Jared and Ivaka tested POSITI E, not negative.

ninja

So, again, comment made by Mason and Jeff was that Barron, Jared and Ivaka tested positive as well, yet Fox News said they were negative.

ninja

Hope Hicks also tested positive.

Prayers goes out to our President and his First Lady as well as Ronna McDaniel, Hope Hicks, Mike Lee and their Families for a speedy recovery.

We DO have those who HAVE sent aside their differences with President Trump AND ARE thinking and praying for the First Family and others.

ninja

Thank You, Mason…! 😊

We all work together as a Team! I have made numerous errors on TAH..and have always appreciate when one corrects my mistakes.

Keep Up The Great Work!

😉😎

rgr769

Anyone who thinks that wearing a surgical mask, like Chrissy Wallace, will protect one from inhaling the ChiCom virus needs to wear one in a military CS gas chamber too see how effective they are. Those light blue masks are designed to prevent medical personnel from breathing germs onto patients. I’m not saying they are completely useless, but if a sick person coughs or sneezes next to you, that mask won’t protect you. If the infected person sneezes or coughs near you, their mask will do more to protect you than yours.

Green Thumb

I hated that CS gas chamber shit.

Back in the day we did a company-level road march (staggered formation) in fucking full MOPP, battle rattle and weapon (with fucking ammo – Gun teams were blowing ass) in about 90-95+ weather. Hell it could have broken 100, unsure. I was hallucinating. Humid too as was down in lower VA.

100+ men, three miles. About 15-20 of us made the pace (15 +/- a mile). At the end, we had to go in the chamber, drop mask and do the drill.

Dudes falling down and shit, crazy. I felt like a sponge that just got squeezed. And then someone decided to blow smoke through me. I mean what the fuck? And where is fucking training value? Outside of being the new MOPP Iron Mike.

I had trouble thinking straight for about 72 hours. Yeah. That made the live fire the next day all the more, shall we say, interesting.

Dangerous.

Commissar

The mask does not 100% stop the virus.

It significantly decreases the spread of the virus by significantly reducing the volume of virus expel toward others.

It also significantly reduced the volume of the virus you inhale.

They work.

Like seatbelts, helmets, safety glasses, bullet proof vests, reserve parachutes…

They all work.

They are not foolproof.

But they work.

If the average number of people a person infects is 1.9 the virus will spread exponentially though the population.

If the average number of people a person infects is 0.9 the virus dies out in the population fairly quickly and the pandemic ends.

Masks reduce the percentage of people infected people infect.

That is the whole point.

rgr769

Ooh, now you are a virologist, in addition to being a legal scholar, political scientist, and military strategist. Who knew? Got PHD? Or M.D.?

Commissar

Holy shit.

It doesn’t take a PhD to regurgitate the science.

And you don’t seem to pull this bullshit when people on here claim more than 90% of the scientific community is wrong about climate change. It does take a PhD and a shit ton of data to refute the scientific consensus on climate change.

You have zero damn integrity. Your attacks are bullshit.

Fyrfighter

“And you don’t seem to pull this bullshit when people on here claim more than 90% of the scientific community is wrong about climate change. It does take a PhD and a shit ton of data to refute the scientific consensus on climate change.”

Actually, it’s more like 90% of those who wrote papers about climate change agree that there’s climate change. It’s actually a small but vocal minority of the scientific community that actually believe in human caused global warming. At best the studies have shown some slight correlation, which is NOT causation. If they were so spot on, they wouldn’t have to fake the numbers, destroy data that conflicts with their conclusions, etc… Oooh, and for that small bunch, don’t forger that at one point, an ACTUAL majority of scientists believed that the earth was flat, or later that it was the center of the universe..

Poetrooper

Fyr, you’re asking a lot for a Berkeley grad student to comprehend the difference between “Climate Change”, which we ALL agree occurs, and “Anthropogenic” Climate Change, which far fewer, mostly the Chicken Little’s of the left and greedy grant-seekers, seem to think is an impending crisis.

It doesn’t surprise me that fools who fell hook, line and sinker for “Hope and Change” believe that a dynamic and chaotic system of nature like climate should be unchanging.

And they claim WE don’t believe in science…

Fyrfighter

Thanks Poe.. then again, we’re not the ones that believe there’s over 50 genders, or that gender is “fluid”…. or that a human being with distinct DNA, a heartbeat and brain function is just a “clump of cells”… So yeah, they claim WE don’t believe in science.. once again, masters of projection…

rgr769

I think Squidward majored in conflation. Who knew it was a whole course of study at Berzerkeley?

A Proud Infidel®™

Major Moonbat, do you even BEGIN to realize that this WHOLE DAMN MESS came from the COMMUNIST People’s republic of China?

The Dead Man

Chuckles the Dancing Propagandist, I’ve told you this before, but I’ll explain it again. Improper use of the masks exacerbates the problem by creating a constant source of contamination for your dirty nasty hands will spread. The average person doesn’t actually know how to use or wear the damn things and will actually make it worse.

tl;dr Do the world a favor, stop listening to your professors and actually study independently you knob.

LC

Stuff like this has an exponential spread – if your state is seeing a constant rate of new cases with a relatively small percentage of the population with immunity, then that’s because mitigation strategies like masks (and social distancing) are helping, albeit in a less than fully-effective way.

If they weren’t effective, the rate would be going up due to exponential growth.

HtC

“If the infected person sneezes or coughs near you, their mask will do more to protect you than yours.”

That is indeed the idea behind masks. They work best when everyone who can wear one does. I wear a mask under the assumption that I could be in an asymptomatic stage of COVID, and I don’t want to spread it to others (I also wear it because my governor, Cuomo, says I have to, but I’d still wear it anyway). It doesn’t hurt me to wear one, and it could save someone else.

It sounds like the president was on board Air Force One with Ms. Hicks when she was in an early phase of the disease, maybe too early to show a positive test. I’m not sure a mask would do much good in a plane full of recycled air. I think it’s probably just bad luck that he caught it and it’s silly to blame him.

As a person who is almost certainly not voting for President Trump, I wish him and his wife a speedy recovery and good health. I disagree with him politically but he is still a husband, father, and grandfather, and a human being. I’m disgusted by anyone who’s gloating over this.

Ex-PH2

Since my cat isn’t going to catch this bug, and it’s hay fever season, I find that wearing the mask outside the house (pick up the paper, grocery runs, etc.) is effective enough to reduce my hay fever and also seems to work on certain other things that stir up dust.

I will likely go on wearing one even when this is all sorted out next year.

rgr769

They do a good job of filtering out dust particles and pollen, anyway those that don’t get sucked in from the sides or top of the surgical mask. Unfortunately the virus is much smaller.

11B-Mailclerk

Most pollen is also remarkably sticky, adhering to whatever it bumps.

Skippy

Our prayers and thoughts
Go out to the Trumpster and family

Oddly me my wife and oldest
Daughter have all tested positive
3 times now for anti-bodies to this
Nasty shit. Our last test gave us a probable
Time frame of contact of late January-February
This year none of us knew we had it
But my youngest daughter and wife were sicker
Then hell with a cold then
Me I always have allergies in the winter here
Thanks to the wind and dust
My mom is 80 and she recovered from this
In February in Las Vegas
So yes it’s survivable for 99.8 percent of us

Skippy

March not February for my mom
Typo

rgr769

The blue check mark Twatter Mafia have been gloating about this development. Even the WaPo Progda tweeted it’s hope that this will put an end to Trump for good.

Sparks

My prayers are for the Trump family (and anyone else testing positive for this virus) for a speedy and uneventful recovery.

Get well soon President and First Lady Trump.

Now, about Michael Moore. Did you know he can’t get the COVID-19 Virus? Why you may ask? Because it would take at least 10 doses to contaminate his already two-ton, lard-laden, cheeseburger eating ass.

Fjardeson

Even if you were a virus, would you WANT to be inside Michael Moore? Arrgh.

Sparks

Had Biden tested positive and even one whiff of anything but tearful sympathy come out of the right, there would be hell to pay. It would be, “See, they even hate Biden so much they wish him ill and even death. This is who you want for President and running our country? An unsympathetic man who leads a deathwish mob of right-wing haters.

But no, it’s the other way around and the loose, yet useful left-wing mouthpieces like Moore, BLM, and Antifa loudmouths, even in the media are hoping this will kill him and put their man in office.

Got news for them. Even if the worse (God forbid) should happen to President Trump and he not be able to continue to serve, Biden still could not beat Pence.

Commissar

Snowflake.

11B-Mailclerk

Said the one that comes here to display meltdowns

5th/77th FA

A get well soon to ALL who have contracted this Chinese Communist Originated Virus Infecting Disease of 2019.

A go to HELL soon to the Chinese Communists that originated this virus, infecting disease.

Would be interesting to see who claims giving it to the President and his Family. Probably could collect reward money from the domestic enemies of our Country.

26Limabeans

“who claims giving it to the President”

Russian agent…

Commissar

Seem to be blocked.

Test

Commissar

WTH?

Must of had a typo in my first attempt at posting and was not blocked,

SFC D

More’s the pity. You seem to be off your meds again.

Commissar

Yeah.

They make me feel sleepy, and make my tummy feel funny.

Commie-Tsar

And dream of Boomers dying from the virus…

LC
Commissar

Wow, serious preventive precautions.

It is almost as though they know this virus is dangerous and not a hoax.

Fyrfighter

Actually, they just know how dangerous a Biden presidency would be to the nation and the world, and want to be DAMN sure it doesn’t happen…

rgr769

He never said it was a hoax. But all you read is Progda.

rgr769

Yup. I call it the Goebbels principle. The Progda practices it daily and the sheeple continue to lap it up.

I have a friend who believed that Sarah Palin said, “you can see Russia from my house.” He believed it for over ten years until I proved to him it was Tina Fey who said it.

Commissar

Bullshit.

He said that and you know it.

Commissar

Dude, I am talking about the right,

I have hear people call it a hoax personally….

Saying as soon as the election is over it will go away.

Claiming it a hoax being used to destroy the economy so Trump does not have that to run on.

I have literally seen people here claim it is a hoax.

Fox News and Hannity called it a hoax.

Trump constantly downplayed the virus. Constantly.

He is the single largest source of misinformation and false claims about the virus.

He literally turned not wearing a mask into a loyalty test, and the right turned to wearing a mask into a litmus test for right wing purity.

The right labeled it a hoax and treated it as a hoax.

Whether Trump himself called it a hoax or merely claimed the democratic response to it is a hoax is a pedantic distinction.

My point is that it is not a hoax, and when the stakes matter for Republicans they stop acting like it is.

Poetrooper

Well gee, Short Round, it’s YOUR side joking about the wearing of masks being “political theater” not ours:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democratic-pennsylvania-lawmaker-masks-political-theater

Blaster

And just maybe because he is the POTUS, and 0 chances are ever taken with any of them.

Commissar

That is not a rebuttal to what I said.

11B-Mailclerk

Your credibility is zero, because you have so thoroughly self-trashed it, so no rebuttal is ever required.

Blaster

You sure told me.

Congratulations!

26Limabeans

Too bad Trump did not offer an olive branch to Joe and
give him a big wet kiss to start the debates.
Imagine the scenario with both candidates China flu positive.
I don’t wish sick on anyone but nothing is off the table in
the year 2020.

Five more years:

https://youtu.be/zKQfxi8V5FA