Regarding Kenosha and Rittenhouse
Normally, unless there’s a reason for a rant, I retire to the kitchen and take on a good book with a pot of tea and some choco chip cookies at my elbow. But this is different, and the gossip that is all over the internet is beyond annoying, especially since everyone is blaming the white kid who was attacked by rioters in Kenosha, WI.
That it is clearly shown in all those online videos that Skateboard guy went after him and the others threatened him as well, it almost seems like self-defense is the proper interpretation. But it’s become complicated by the media sticking their oar into it and editorializing on it and ignoring a lot of stuff that is going to come up, such as the guy he shot in the arm being in possession of a pistol, clearly shown on one of those videos.
As happened with Nick Sandmann, Rittenhouse will be tried, fried and crucified by the media mavens before he even gets legal assistance. I realize that he now has legal representation, but unless someone shuts down the media on this issue, it’s a feeding frenzy of warthogs and media whores. No offense meant to warthogs in general.
To get down to the guts of it, here’s a compilation of information outside the events that transpired.
First: no evidence has shown up so far that the gun used by Rittenhouse was actually his property. He is not old enough to purchase a gun of any kind in the state of Illinois. Being under age and in possession of a gun is a felony in Illinois. Regardless of actual ownership, just having a gun in his possession makes him a felon.
The minimum age for gun ownership in Illinois is 21, and an FOID is required. Period. There are no options or compromises available to allow a minor in Illinois to own a ballistic weapon, period. No gunshop or shooting range owner is going to risk losing his business to selling or even renting ballistic weapons to a minor. The FOID law also applies to buying ammunition: you still have to be 21, and you have to have an FOID to do so. No FOID, no ammo, no gun. Period.
While NS Great Lakes, located in northeastern Illinois, has a training regimen that includes handling weapons, the recruits do not own those weapons. Week Four of Recruit training mostly consists of weapons training. Recruits gain familiarity with the M9 pistol. Some time during the week, recruits receive a classroom lecture on firearms safety and operation of the M9. Recruits receive live-fire training with the M9. Recruits no longer receive training with the M500 shotgun or the M16 rifle. – source: Wiki
If Rittenhouse had planned to join the military without parental consent, the requirement is that he has to be a minimum age of 18. Being under age at 17 requires parental consent. Therefore, regardless of what he may or may not have wanted to do as a career, if he wanted to join the military at 17, he’d have to have parental consent or wait until he reached his 18th birthday.
Now – well, if he had any career ambitions in the military, unless this is dismissed by the court (and don’t expect a quick episode, either) , he has destroyed any possibility of achieving that goal.
In Wisconsin, a minor from age 12 to 18 can use a gun under adult supervision to go hunting or for target practice, but cannot own one or have it in his possession unless s/he is accompanied by an adult. The legal age in Wisconsin for gun ownership is 18. Rittenhouse is 17, which makes him a minor in Wisconsin. Residence has nothing to do with it. Since there is no evidence so far that he was in the company of adults, as shown by videos of him walking alone, away from the fight and toward the police, it is easy to assume that he was/is an unaccompanied minor in illegal possession of a gun in the state of Wisconsin, unless shown otherwise. Therefore, he did break Wisconsin’s gun laws.
There is more here on what happened in Kenosha on Wednesday night. http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=389868
Antifa defends itself by pointing at Rittenhouse as the Bad Guy. What I saw in all those videos is that he was attacked by rioters and was defending himself. As of this morning, he’s being held in juvenile detention in northeastern Illinois. He’s already had an attorney (defended Nick Sandmann) volunteer to act as his defense, but even if the shooting charges are determined to be self-defense (as things appear to transpire in various videos), he has still committed a felony in both Illinois and Wisconsin by being a minor in possession of a gun. Let that sink in.
There is still the question of his carrying a gun across a state line from Illinois to Wisconsin, when he is a minor and is not eligible for a FOID in IL or for solo gun carry in WI. Period. That’s two state laws broken, never mind transporting a gun across a state line if it was in his possession when he crossed the state line. In both states, he is not even old enough to buy ammunition. In regard to someone speculating on whether or not he’s an emancipated minor, that applies to where a minor chooses to live, not to being under age and buying or using a gun.
The question is obvious: what or who is the source of that gun, as well as the ammunition? There is no way Rittenhouse could obtain either guns or ammunition legally in the states of Illinois and Wisconsin.
If you review the videos, there appears to be no one acting as his supervisor. He appears to be acting independently, which means he broke the Wisconsin state law on gun possession and age.
It is NOT gun ownership. Having something in your possession does NOT mean that you own it. If I took my Dad’s car to the store, I was in possession of it, but I did NOT own it. I hope that is clear.
Regarding transporting personally-owned weapons across state lines, read this article.
https://www.mcall.com/opinion/mc-opi-concealed-carry-license-laws-muschick-20180417-story.html
And there is this gem, even though the article is several years old. The statistics have probably changed a bit since it was first published, and this article does not imply that all guns purchased outside Illinois are obtained illegally, or are straw purchases.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gun-laws-stop-at-state-lines-but-guns-dont/
So the question remains: where did he get that gun and the ammo for it, and did he bring it with him from Illinois, or was it handed to him when he got to Wisconsin? That likely will not be answered until Rittenhouse appears in court.
You can natter on and quibble all you want to about gun owners and gun rights this and that, and weapons/ammo this and that, but those state laws are clear: Rittenhouse is a minor, apparently unaccompanied by an adult unless or until shown otherwise, and he was in possession of a ballistic weapon and ammunition. This applies to both Illinois (his home state) and Wisconsin (location of the riots). Whether the shooting charges against him are dismissed or not, the possession of a gun and ammunition by a minor in both states will not be dropped.
Category: "The Floggings Will Continue Until Morale Improves", ANTIFA, Gun Grabbing Fascists, Guns
Lars are you up yet?
Lars is making memes about not bringing a skateboard to a gunfight.
They are hilarious.
dude had no dog in the fight. a true dummy. should have stayed home. not his pig, chicken, cow, or farm. if there were problems in antioch IL and then he stepped outside to post up with a weapon. that would be a different story entirely. stupid kid plays stupid game wins stupid prize. his parents should be ashamed of themselves
The skateboarder?
No. Rittenhouse.
The PeDo?
What in the hell are you talking about? Where is that coming from?
Just naming two worm food guys, not our good kid.
OK, but you might have said something! 🙂
Neither did the Antifa rioters who attacked him, all of whom were convicted violent felons. Also, a good many of those violent rioting anarchists were bussed in from out of town, and out of state. A cursory look at Crowds On Demand would probably turn most of their names up. What his motives were, I don’t know, and now that he is lawyered up, neither will anyone else probably.
It is interesting to see how aggressively the local popo are pursuing this, while they stood around during the riots with their dicks in their hands, being useless, along with the local and state officials who are supposed to be in charge there.
These were the first shots of the Boogaloo. It will continue to happen.
Apparently Rittenhouse works in Kenosha, not sure if it was at the place he was guarding, or just in the neighborhood.
Perhaps, as he only lived fifteen miles from Kenosha, according to one report.
You can have a FOID in Illinois under the age of 18 as long as your parents sign off on it. It still goes through the state police and background checks apply. You can legally hunt in Illinois as a minor as long as you have a FOID card. You can’t BUY at 17 but it could have been a gift.
Doesn’t matter. Under Illinois law, he’s still a minor and can’t take ownership of it. He’s going to get hit with some serious stuff over this.
What I despise more than anything else is the media’s desperate need to try someone on TV news, as if reporters have law degrees and are sitting judges. The court of public opinion is the same quackery you get from herbal medicine.
Ex,
This seems a good spot to address your statement ” In regard to someone speculating on whether or not he’s an emancipated minor, that applies to where a minor chooses to live, not to being under age and buying or using a gun.”
That was me in the other post, and I only mentioned it in relation to any culpability his parents might face, not that it would have any impact on how the laws applied to him.
Just an FYI, there was a GoFunMe for Rittenhouse that was to fund his legal expenses was killed by GoFundMe but the funds for bail/medical expenses of the ANTIFA are still up.
Doesn’t matter: Rittenhouse has Nick Sandmann’s lawyer now representing him.
GoFuckMe is a moot point.
There’s a lot of nuance and details here. Leftists don’t deal in those a lot – especially when those details aren’t in their favor.
Details?? Details????
They don’t need no stinkin’ details!!!
Facts if not reality often ain’t needed by ’em either.
Gonna get real interesting. As you pointed out the laws are clear on possession in BOTH states of firearms. And he may and/or may not be found guilty of that. We never know how a jury will vote. And IF he is found guilty of possession his punishment could be a slap on the wrist.
The biggest danger in all of this is as you pointed out Ex, the trying of this case in the media. The linky that was provided for the GFM for the dumbass medic was full of comments on “defending peacefull protestors”, “bravely standing up against white supremists Trumpies” ect, ect, ad nauseum. They must of seen some different videos that I did. Not arguing the point that the kid shoulda kept his happy ass at home. That’s a given. And did Mama & ’em even know he was out and about?
However, he was there, he was being assaulted, and he defended himself…quite well I might add. If you go looking for trouble where trouble is, then you will most certainly find it.
Good luck son…you gonna need it!
Testify, 5th/77th!
I can understand wanting to do something important and being too young or uninformed, but I had enough sense to wait a little.
Kid got way ahead of himself. It might have been different if he had been trying to defend someone the protesters were pounding on. Fire a round into the air to make them back off, then help the person they were pounding. That’s justifiable, despite his age. But this? He really jumped the shark on this one.
You NEVER EVER fire warning shots, period. If you have to fire, you put those rounds into someone who needs to be shot. Firing warning shots can get you jailed all by itself in a good many states.
OK, then shoot the attacker in the foot. Or the calf. Don’t kill the clown, that’s all.
With all due respect ma’am, you were Navy, so I can understand the gaps in your training. We were all trained to the nth degree, first that you NEVER point a weapon at anything you don’t intend to destroy, and second, you always shoot to kill.
That hit them in the hand or foot business is insane, and almost impossible. In a firefight you go for center mass and shoot till they stop moving. You ain’t got time for that stuff when someone is trying to kill you.
Shooting the hand,leg or taking a gun out of ones hand always worked on the 1930’s-40’s B-Westerns. Just ask Lash Larue, Johnny MacBrown, Buster Crabbe, Eddie Dean Etc.
1 Corinthians 13:11
“When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.”
Some of us seem to take a little longer to put away childish ideas. I think I still have one or two.
If one refuses to grow up, one will never die of old age.
If you have reached the point that you are going to use deadly force, you shoot center mass and continue to shoot until the target changes form. To do anything else would put you in danger of them shooting/attacking you or someone else. You also run the risk of missing and hitting an innocent bystander. Never ever shoot to wound someone. It’s actually a war crime for Soldiers to purposely wound someone and prohibited by the UCMJ. That’s why the decision to use deadly force should be weighed heavily.
👍🏼
Ex-PH2, do we lecture you on proper F-stop?
Seriously.
One does not fire “warning shots”. They endanger bystanders and serve no legal or moral purpose. No.
One does not try to shoot legs, hands, etc. One shoots center of mass or center upper torso, as trained. Worst case – “center of what he sticks out from behind cover to shoot at you”
Just -ponting- the weapon is ” deadly force”. Discharging is is “deadly force”. So ” warning shots” and “leg shots” offer no safe harbor.
Go obtain real training, preferably with a weapon you own. (You might even like it)
-stop- with that “Hollywood” nonsense that gets real folks in real trouble. Please. You are -not- helping.
I believe that “warning shots” can be very effective.. a round going center mass on the closest / most dangerous thug serves as a hell of a warning to the rest of the mob….
“center of what he sticks out from behind cover to shoot at you”
Heh.
Reality isn’t much like those silhouette targets, eh?
Well, frankly, 11B, this isn’t H’wood at all coming out of me. It’s one of those things which I’d do to avoid vomiting on the perp’s whoreson dead body, that’s all.
It’s not a warning shot at all. Slamming the trunk lid or car door on someone’s hand is a warning. Shooting someone in the nuts is a permanent reminder that crime doesn’t pay.
There’s no perfect solution to any of that, you know. Besides, you guys are all bloodthirsty tribal ghouls, anyway.
I’m just a lowly, lowly cook. 🙂 Would you like fries with that?
Only the Lone Ranger does that. If you have to fire, fire center of mass until the threat is no longer a threat. It’s called deadly force for a reason.
🤦🏼♂️Oh PH2 SMDH 😜
Playing with guns is grownup, serious, life or death business. It is almost impossible to shoot a foot, calf, etc., especially if the target and/or shooter is moving. Then there is the effects of adrenalin, etc. which adversely affect marksmanship. I doubt that Rittenhouse even aimed, much less inhaled then let out half his breath and held it.
Only a fool goes into a situation with guns thinking anything other than death or maiming is a matter of extremely good luck. The one dead guy who reportedly tried to grab the weapon is such a fool. The other dead guy who chased an armed individual is another. On the other hand, so is the guy who carries a gun and thinks he can actually use it without someone dying.
Would you guys stop it?
I appreciate your concerns. I truly do. But I’m fine. 🙂
Then don’t give use of firearms advice when you have no experience with them to people who have. Most of us here have been squeezing triggers since we were 14 years old. Some of us have actually carried guns for decades.
Several sources (including lefty NYT) are now reporting that one of the protestors fired first:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/kenosha-court-docs-suggest-shooting-was-self-defense-new-video-shows-another-gun-shot-first
People who know nothing about firearms and/or have no experience with them like to talk about warning shots or shooting the assailant in the leg. They have apparently watched too many episodes of the Lone Ranger. I have a .30 caliber FMJ rifle bullet I found on the floor in my home. It had penetrated my roof, the ceiling, and was stopped by the tile floor.
It most assuredly was fired into the air. People are killed every year by bullets fired into the air. I think a guy named Newton figured out how that could happen.
I have found several hunting arrows in my yard. I am pretty sure I know where they came from, but they ain’t going back. Have not found any bullet holes in the house yet, but we do hear occasional shots.
Living in the woods has some drawbacks. We have a deer trail through our back yard.
Kid goes to the town he works in and tries to do something positive for the community. Crazed Pedo attacks kid and attempts to take his weapon. Kid defends himself and now there is one less Pedo. Domestic abusers figure they’ll take over where Pedo left off. Kid services them in the same manner and stops the attacks. No one who didn’t directly attack that kid was shot. In a sane world this would be a happy ending…but it’s 2020 and “sane” and “world” are no longer compatible.
The kids age is the only sticking point I see with this.
Also… I’m not sure how you can be charged in Illinois for possessing a weapon in Wisconsin.
I like you.
All the defense lawyer has to do is play the continuous tape coverage that shows them attacking him, which was categorically stupid given that he had a loaded weapon. Of course, Antifa and the other rioting anarchists aren’t used to anyone engaging them, which is why they do that crap up in the blue states.
Of note here, is the convicted felon illegally in possession of a pistol that he shot in jail yet?
Naw, the Soros DA is going to give him a pass, as he will need him as a perjurer for Kyle’s trial. According to Progda he is a “victim.”
You mean the one that publicly stated that his only regret is not pulling his illegal gun earlier and killing Rittenhouse? That guy?
Yeah that’s him. He also appears in video about shoot Kyle when he is still on the ground. You can see the felon pointing his pistol at Kyle just before the felon was shot in the arm, in the freeze frame photo in the Daily Mail.
That shot left a mark. The picture is … educational.
And that mark is going to have a major impact on his sex life if he is right handed.
I have seen a couple of .223/5.57 bullet wounds. They are not pretty, even when the bullet is a FMJ.
For Leftists, a fellow leftard w/ a gat is just “free speech”-ifying. Someone defending themselves against that is an evil nazi.
Excellent comments and analysis. I’d like to point out something that I have not seen discussed in the media or on this discussion board. The first victim of the shooting, Joseph Rosenbaum, was seen in earlier videos taking a lead in some of the back and forth exchange by taunting “Shoot me, [n-word]!” He was wearing a red t-shirt. When he was seen later chasing the shooter (Kyle Rittenhouse), Rosenbaum was captured on video throwing what appeared to be a plastic bag at Rittenhouse with something contained in the bag. Based on how the bag bounced and skidded along the concrete, its contents appeared to be heavy and would inflict pain should it have struck a human target. For this reason, many have labeled it a weapon. Some have suggested it was a flaming Molotov Cocktail. Something unique I would like to point out, however, is that Rosenbaum had removed his red t-shirt and wrapped it around his head and face, not unlike professional wrestlers did to hide their true identity. I believe that a case could be made that Rosenbaum intended to do no good, i.e. illegal beat down perhaps, and wanted to keep his identity off the camera. This, in addition to already throwing an object at Rittenhouse. Rosenbaum’s prior criminal record highlights his tendency towards violence. But who knows? Maybe he took his t-shirt off and wrapped it around his face because it was a hot evening and he wanted to cool off. Also, there may have been other circumstances in the way of an altercation between Rittenhouse (shooter) and Rosenbaum (dead victim). However, in the previous video, Rosenbaum clearly had an issue with the people carrying long guns at the car repair shop. There was some excellent analysis by a criminal defense attorney in Arizona, Robert Gruler II, on YouTube saying that there were shots fired in the air by someone not chasing Rittenhouse but Rittenhouse would not have known that those shots were not directed at him. He was being chased by someone (Rosenbaum) who appeared intent on doing harm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7SooO03bJ8 This attorney also summed… Read more »
Thanks for the additional input. If Rittenhouse is lucky, it may be a closed door trial, instead of the public (e.g., media) being allowed in.
Whatever happens, he did a very, very stupid thing from the start. It’s on him, period.
The under age in both states part may be a misdemeanor, but owing to ‘across state lines’ might be turned into a higher level charge against him.
According to Lin Wood, attorney for Kyle, the subject rifle never crossed state lines. It was owned by a friend of Kyle, in WI; he loaned the weapon to Kyle.
Yes, that was brought up and posted yesterday. When I put this up originally, it was shortly after things happened and information was scarce.
I’m sure current law enforcement have courage, but they are hamstrung by city and state politicians.
BINGO! That’s how it’s playing out in Portland – Mayor doubles as police commissioner and has a very active role in how the police do business in the city.
There is something coming up on Portland before long. Stay tuned.
Daisy Cutter,
In the interest of not acting like the left wing media, lets not refer to a convicted child molester who was shot while attacking another underaged person as a “victim” lets call him the first “fatality” instead, or something else, but whatever we call him, he most definitely was NOT a victim (except of his own piss-poor choices..)
“Target” would serve nicely…
A Flushed Turd.
“Belligerent,” perhaps?
It’s looking more and more like outright, multiparty, civil war.
I’m honestly partial to “Bag of Shit”, but i’m open to options.
DRT1.
Taking a life while in the process of weapon illegally carrying is serious. Yeah yeah he defended himself but bringing a gun into charged situation with no training on de-escalation was mind numbing. Like someone said if he dropped people in front of his house or community store maybe but he is toast and all the celebratory statements on how great his trigger discipline is will becomes moot point. He will be a felon. Welcome to Earlville.
It hasn’t been established that his carry was illegal.
“Necessity” can be a legit defense. And rioters often provide that necessity.
He may walk. It will be costly, but a jury will see those videos. And they may just end this at the Grand Jury stage, “no true bill”, if not later at the trial.
And if the DA and minions fail to prosecute his surviving attacker, and other contributors, then the” political persecution” angle is significant.
And his lawyer won’t be an overworked unsympathetic “public defender”. His lawyer is a -very- capable and highly compensated litigator, the one who stuffed “libel” up the ass of CNN, for much lucre.
Kid may do well indeed, especially when folks start getting sued. Discovery will kinda suck for his opponents. Heh.
And folks see that violent mobs are -easily- defeated with a modern rifle. -that- could be awkward for would-be violent mobs.
They want anarchy and mob rule. They may wind up on the receiving end.
Perhaps stop? Please.
Got a few questions/observations.
Whatever charges the juvenile faces will be as a juvenile unless he is declared an adult. How likely is that to happen? I dunno. It usually doesn’t happen for first-time offenders. Is he?
Has the felon in possession been charged
Apprehended? Does anybody care?
Looks like somebody’s got some ‘splainin’ to do. Probably several somebodies.
Depends on the jurisdiction, I believe. Seems to me in some places the demarcation can be as young as 16?
If he’s tried as an adult, can he still be charged as a minor in possession of a weapon?
https://www.grgblaw.com/wisconsin-trial-lawyers/wisconsin-laws-and-policies-for-juvenile-offenders-charged-as-adults
according to this., if he is over 10 and charged with murder, he will automatically be tried as an adult, although he may not go to adult PMITA prison. (All given that I am reading this correctly.)
I agree with most every comment! But what about the Group he belonged to that where Volunteer security support for the Local Business’s. Facebook got rid of them fast so they could ditch any liability or Connection! Did this Group have any supervision or organizational rules? If they did what were they! No Jury unless you can get OJs crew would convict this kid all the shootings clearly show self Defense. That my friends does not have an age limit!
I understand that kid.
He wanted to make a difference when the supposedly adults would not do anything.
He probably destroyed his future.
The full weight of the law will fall on him, while the antifa goons walk away every night around the country, after looting and burning.
Antifa goons walk? Not necessarily, Joe. Stay tuned.
He killed a level-3 pedophile. Beyond all the nuance of the situation, that’s a pretty good legacy.
We need riot umpires.
It’s like the NFL was for a while — it always seemed like we were sorting through stories of 5#1+ that happened while they were out clubbin’.
Clever and funny.
The NHL ain’t doing anything, maybe they can help.
Rittenhouse is a murderer who will go to prison. As more fact come out it is clear he went there to shoot someone and did. The person you should be celebrating and defending is Anthony Huber. After witnessing a murder he tried to chase down an armed gunmen and apprehend and disarm him using only a skateboard. You guys have become so twisted in your fear and ideology that you defend a murderer rather than some who heroically tried to stop him. Fortunately, you all are extreme outliers. Twisted by a echo chamber of bullshit. He was arrested, and charged with 6 felonies, including one count of intentional homicide, One count of attempted intentional homicide, one count of reckless homicide, and two counts of reckless endangerment. It was illegal for a 17 year old to even possess the AR, so possession is his 6th charge. Like you would expect of a murderer; He faces life in prison. Also, it doesn’t appear the first guy he shot was a looter. So his only defense is that he was afraid of protesters. After picking up a weapon and driving, possibly across state lines, to put himself in the middle of them; his defense is he was afraid of them. The police completely mismanaged the entire issue from start to finish. Including multiple interaction with Rittenhouse prior to the shooting. And it appear all he received was encouragement. And then letting him leave the seen still armed. That will likely matter during sentencing. The things going in his favor are the fact that the first protestor, Joseph Rosenbaum, lunged at him. The details as to why Mr Rosenbaum was trying to stop him, disarm him, or attack him is unclear. Another armed man fired into the air nearby. It is unclear why, but I suspect Rittenhouse can try to use the sound of that shot in his defense. He next shot Anthony Huber after Huber tried to chase him down and disarm him by swinging his skateboard at his rifle. He is going to claim he was “defending himself” form Huber. Who was… Read more »
He was incarcerated for a time. While in prison, he was charged with assaulting staff on several occasions, disobeying orders, obstructing staff, giving/receiving tattoo, tampering, possession of contraband, arson, possession of drugs, not in authorized area, disrespect, disobey written/verbal order, refusal to work, tampering with security, possession/manufacture of weapon, assault with a weapon, etc.
He was charged with sexual conduct with a minor with the offense date listed as 3/27/2002 although some have pointed out that he was 18 at the time and further make the claim it was consensual with someone younger. I can neither confirm nor deny. On 3/30/2002, however, he was charged with molestation of a child, sexual crimes/dangerous crimes against children, etc. I suspect based on the timeline, this is what he went to prison for but could be wrong.
I saw the crap the right is passing around.
It does not show it is him.
This one has no visible birthdate for some inexplicable reason.
He is also not in any sex offender registry.
Short Round says:
“I have read right wing blogs and comments that claim his victim Joseph Rosenbaum was a convicted sex offender. I can’t find proof of that. There is a guy with the same name convicted of kill his daughter but that is not the same guy. I can’t find the records showing the same Rosenbaum was a sex offended.”
Boy, you sure tried hard Mr. Finder of Empirical Facts. Took an old, tech-challenged geezer like me about ten seconds. Rosenbaum appears to have been one angry dude, kinda like someone else we know around here.
Seems to me that you were dead-certain that the Covington kid was a purely evil right-winger who abused that poor old minority Vietnam vet, too.
How’d that work out for you?
“…that poor old minority Vietnam vet”
Poetrooper, is that the same guy who was actually a reefer repairman** and a drunk who spent more time in jail than on duty?
**Speaking of reefer repairman, the guy who fixed my reefer knew his job inside and out, had a lineup of repair jobs to go to right after fixing my fridge, and also fixes stoves, dishwashers and garbage disposals. Best damn appliance guy on the planet!
Welp, spapos seagull, I see that you have had your ass handed to you, AGAIN!
Thanks for playing, here goes the comment count for this thread. “Up, Up, and Away….”
Dude (dudette?); when my reefer breaks I just save it and put it in my bong. Save yourself some money, dude.
“reefer” is Navy slang for refrigeration unit, Sport.
As well as among Truckers where “Reefer” means you’re pulling a refrigerated trailer just like being a “Skateboarder” means that you pull a Flatbed!
I know. I have known for over a half century now. I was trying to make a funny.
OK, funny you should mention it….
You’re forgiven.
You two obviously have “Reefer Madness”.
(Grin)
No, you found the same unsubstantiated right wing bullshit I saw.
You didn’t provide a link to anything but the echo chamber because there isn’t one,
You have nothing.
“You have nothing.”
Pot–kettle…
ONce again you post no actual correct facts. Not even skewed facts, just nonsense. Very predictable. You start off wrong and manage to get wronger.
Well done lad.
Ooh, you have certainly racked up a substantial amount of Soros bucks with that comment.
Lars the internet is full of videos of the cluster B lunatics that make up the base of your “movement” screeching at random individuals who had the unmitigated temerity to do something so outrageous as go to dinner. It’s a God damned miracle that more of you haven’t met the business end of a personal firearm up to now. Citizens have had it and you guys are going to hear about it come November.
A schism with reality has occurred.
“The person you should be celebrating and defending is Anthony Huber.”
“Finally, they are claiming that Anthony Huber is abusive to his girlfriend. Not sure what evidence they have of that.”
Oh yeah, he’s a real hero. /sarc
Lars, if you think these three guys (I refuse to call them men) are all heroes and upstanding citizens, than I suggest you get a re-issue for a new moral compass, because yours is all gefickt up!!
https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2012CF001346&countyNo=30&index=0
Gaige Grosskreutz
https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2018CM000509&countyNo=30&index=0
https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2015SC030562&countyNo=40&index=0
Joseph Rosenbaum
https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseSearchResults.html
Just like George Floyd, Jacob Blake, and all the others that BLM has decided to deify, the left keeps picking criminal bags of shit to hold up as heros… kinda tells ya all ya need to know about them doesn’t it?
Evidently he doesn’t have a clearance to access those highly classified sites thatare inaccessible to the general public.
Or, we watch all the videos and understand you are again
Bullshitting.
Here is the Rosenbaum info from the Wisconsin Dept of Corrections with a side-by-side photo that is an amazing match from the videos. Lifetime enrollment as a sex offender.
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1298833015548739587/photo/1
Perhaps the plastic bag he thrown was full of candy to “entice” him.
” Lifetime enrollment as a sex offender.”… so you’re saying he’s no longer enrolled….
One less pedo scum on the planet.
Rosenbaum died doing what he loved, chasing minors.
You mean the same Anthony Huber who has a sheet as long as your arm for over a dozen convictions of domestic abuse?
Yeah, he’s a real choir boy.
A member of the Slapaho tribe…
You are aware that there was a reporter present only a few feet away from the first shooting, right? I literally just watched an interview with him and his eyewitness account totally disputes your bullshit rhetoric.
“his defense is he was afraid of them.”
LOL.
Amusingly, that also seems to be the excuse BLM and its allies use to justify their confrontations with the police and various unarmed structures.
Huber tried to disarm Rittenhouse by swinging his skateboard at him? I can see why you couldn’t last a year as a PO. The pictures published so far show Huber hitting him in the back of the neck. Was he carrying the rifle behind him?
In one stop frame of the video, you can see Huber grabbing the rifle just before he was shot.
“Rittenhouse is a murderer who will go to prison”
No, he will be awarded a merit badge for self defense and
become a spokesman for the firearm’s manufacturer.
The aftermarket potential is enormous.
There will be a book, tshirts and a special edition AR.
The “Rittehouse” model. With a “Kenosha” style sling.
Think of the educational opportunities for the average person
to attend the Rittenhouse School of Personal Protection.
Kid has a future. The pedo and the dirtbag do not.
I take it you have some military training. I guess, but I missed that class on disarming a person with a skate board. The shooting was very accurate! If he went there to kill people why stop? Answer please! Why did he only shoot the people that attacked him! Who care what sex who was carrying or who is the hero! 2 are Dead, and one wont be attacking any armed people for a while!
I’d like to see the necropsy on the head-shot creeper just to see what damage was done and to see if there was an exit wound.
He had a big hole for an entry would.
I thank Kyle for his civic service to Kenosha and law abiding Americans, everywhere.
Latest I heard was that the head wound was just a graze, the the pedo actually took a round to the hand, leg, and groin (probably the fatal one) as well…
Of course the insurrectionist geniuses that want to put direct pressure / tourniquet on a head wound is just comedy gold…
“The medical examiner found that Rosenbaum was shot in the groin, back and left hand. The wounds fractured his pelvis and perforated his right lung and liver. He also suffered a superficial wound to his left thigh and a graze wound to his forehead.”
From: https://abc11.com/victims-of-kenosha-protest-shooting-tried-to-disarm-gunman/6393801/
Sounds like he may not have died from the head wound, as commonly reported.
What I find ironic is that
He kept challenging armed guys to shoot him. Looks like he made it a self-fulfilling prophesy. Well done, pedo-boi. Another moron self eliminating from the gene pool.
You’ll love this
https://youtu.be/5tRAsfYqBFM
That’s hysterical. A tourniquet. Lucky he didn’t bump his head.
It is symbolic of the whole movement, though; Overreaction to a (relatively) insignificant event.
That calls for a Steve Martin video—
Louder with Crowder did a whole bunch on this last night. Videos from earlier in the night, identifying those shot, and the actions of those the contributed to their death and injury.
IMO, this kid should not have been there because he was in over his head. Plus, I think the injured and deceased selected him because he was young kid. Again, this me looking at what has been presented so far.
The narrative of him as a ‘white supremacist hunting blm-ers’ is total bullshit. The first-degree murders charges are to appease the mob and leftist politicians. Crower reported he hired Lin Wood which is some serious heavy artillery.
He may be guilty of some weapons crimes, but he defended himself and he is certainly not a murderer.
Saw the video. He’s clearly freaked out after the first shooting, before the mob comes after him and he has to run again. Nothing indicates that he was looking for someone to shoot. Nothing indicates that he’s any kind of neo-nazi. He most likely shouldn’t have been there in the first place, but he fired to defend himself after he had already tried to retreat.
Those who caught bullets won stupid prizes for playing stupid games. No tears shed or fucks given for them.
The kid should have stayed with his group, he got separated and targeted.
Feral pavement predators always try to separate and target the young or weak from the herd.
Looks like there will be a delay in legal proceedings. From a recent article in USAToday:
https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2020-08-27/ill-teen-charged-in-kenosha-shooting-that-killed-2-hurt-1
“A judge postponed a decision Friday on whether a 17-year-old should be returned to Wisconsin to face charges in the killing of two people on the streets of Kenosha during unrest following the police shooting of a Black man, Jacob Blake.
The Illinois judge granted Kyle Rittenhouse’s request to delay the extradition hearing to Sept. 25 during a brief hearing that was streamed online. Rittenhouse did not appear.”
Then…
“According to the criminal complaint, “Joseph Rosenbaum, 36, of Kenosha, followed Rittenhouse into a used car lot, where he threw a plastic bag at the teen and attempted to take his weapon. The medical examiner found that Rosenbaum was shot in the groin, back and hand. He also suffered a superficial wound to his left thigh and a graze wound to his forehead.”
Then, to address a question posed in the writeup above…
“The weapon Rittenhouse was carrying belonged to a friend, according to a tweet from Wood on Friday.”
“The weapon Rittenhouse was carrying belonged to a friend”
Rittenhouse; “Can I borrow your AR-15 to take to a riot across the state line?”
“Friend”; “Sure, my little minor friend! How much ammo do you need? And if anyone asks, make sure they know where you got it. ”
Hence the phrase–“With friends like that you don’t need enemies”.
Another takeaway from this incident should be the number of “protestors” involved who are ex-cons with records of violent offenses. Is BLM/Antifa recruiting from this particular personnel pool?
It certainly lends credence to charges by conservatives that the organizers of these protests are hiring “thugs” doesn’t it?
You’re known by the company you keep, Lars, Medic to the Stars of street drama…
OH, yeah, Poetrooper and I have an update on sundry such items that will make some people… well, happy.
There were no protesters at that place. There were violent rioters. All legitimate targets when they started their shit.
Lars should be leaving the medic stuff to the professionals. Tweezering the patient in Operation doesn’t qualify you, neither does working the dumpsters behind the Holiday Inn Express last night – the commercial said you had to stay in one… If I was bleeding to death and Larsie boy showed up to play medic I think I’d rather just bleed.
Speaking as a former IDC I say let the monkeys in that 3 ring circus play “medic” all they want. Hell, give them chest tubes and blood product. It’ll thin the weak genetics out of the population quicker that way.
Those idiots will do far more harm to each other than good. Their “care” will always be substandard because they won’t actually put in the work required to develop useful skills and then maintain them.
Plus it will make it easier to spot the turds when they inevitably seek medical care from people with actual knowledge, experience and training.
Yeah, that’s right: if you show up at the ER with what is a gunshot wound, it is always reported to the local police. And it’s possible that some of these “protesters” may do just that.
Also a lot of locals indicated that the rioters weren’t locals with at least one report stating “They got the town name of ‘Kenosha’ wrong.” Take it with a grain of salt since I sure as hell can’t verify it, but I figure it’s like Skibo Road out by Bragg. You can immediately tell who’s new or not by how they say it.
They’ve said the same thing in Portland and Minneapolis (probably other hot spots too) and the arrest records show the vast majority are locals.
Mason, could it be that the “pro’s” are more adept at avoiding apprehension, leaving the “useful idiots” to be arrested?
Ex-cons are much more street and cop-wise than your average citizen, especially snowflakes.
Call them the mercenaries of this movement…
It very well could be the case. We see that in gangs. The experienced “elders” of the group direct things from behind the scenes, sending out their minions as sacrificial lambs.
I would not be surprised in the least if there were “professional agitators” working to whip up the local “protesters” so the violence kicks off.
How easy is it to convince 40,000 people to do something stupid? Ever see “the wave” done at a sports stadium? Two dudes can get the whole thing started.
Humans are capable of such brilliance and intelligence individually, but as a group we are dumb as heck.
” would not be surprised in the least if there were “professional agitators” ”
I think they are called “community organizers” or “activists” in polite society.
It’s been said that during the Vietnam Era many of the “Protests” were agitated by a core of herders/handlers that would whip a crowd of gullible hippies into a frenzy and then bug out before the shit really hit the fan, leaving their useful idiots to get beaten. I can see the same pattern in today’s organized riots and the maggots who got shot being Criminals themselves makes me wonder if they aren’t recruiting agitators from jails and prisons?
In point of fact, FBI files declassified a few years ago showed several key players in the Vietnam era hippie movement were agent provacateurs from the Soviet intelligence services.
Well this should make Lars a bit conflicted: Daily Caller’s people on scene at the Kenosha shooting report that Rittenhouse was also a medic, carrying a medical kit and had earlier been treating injured protestors.
His group, called the “Libertarians” had proclaimed themselves in alliance with the protestors but were also charged with the responsibility of protecting private property.
https://dailycaller.com/2020/08/27/we-witnessed-the-kenosha-shootings-heres-what-really-happened/
Street medics unite for the glorious cause!
Right, Lars? 😁
Really sad this kid put himself in this position. Sounds like he would have had a bright future. I blame all the “adults” around that let him get into a place/time where this was a possible outcome.
I think his actions were entirely justified, but he never should have been there to begin with.
“His group, called the “Libertarians” ”
Ah, that may explain why the poor kid was a clusterfuck waiting to happen. I’ll bet the “friend” who gave him the gun & ammo was also a Libertarian.
I saw a report that one of these three dirtbags was just released from prison on May 20th this year.
Ex-PH2, very good research on Wisconsin gun laws for minors, but I have just a addition/correction to make concerning the following: “In Wisconsin, a minor from age 12 to 18 can use a gun under adult supervision to go hunting or for target practice, but cannot own one or have it in his possession unless s/he is accompanied by an adult. “For hunting purposes, the following exceptions to the age limit apply, as specified in statute 29.304[35] for firearms with barrels 12″ or longer. under 10 may not hunt with a firearm or bow under any circumstances under 10 can only possess firearm/bow in Hunter Safety class, or while cased/unloaded and under adult supervision while going to/from Hunter Safety class, or while under adult supervision while at a target range. anyone age 10 or over may hunt when accompanied by an adult (within arms reach, both must be licensed, only one firearm/bow between the adult and mentor (no hunter safety course requirement for the mentored hunter). 12-13 may hunt when accompanied by an adult and the child has successfully completed a Hunter Safety class. 12-13 may possess firearm when accompanied by an adult, or while transporting cased/unloaded firearm to/from Hunter Safety class, or in Hunter Safety class 14-16 is the same as 12-13, except Hunter Safety graduates can hunt and possess firearms (rifles/shotguns) without adult supervision. In Wisconsin, anyone born on or after Jan. 1, 1973, must have completed a hunter education course and show the certificate to purchase any hunting license in Wisconsin. However, if they will be hunting under the hunting mentorship program or they have successfully completed and have proof of completing basic training in the U.S. Armed Forces, Reserves or National Guard, they do not need a hunting safety course certificate to purchase a license.” I have volunteered a fair amount of time not only instructing youngsters that wanted to go hunting, but also a number of adults here in Cheeseheadland. Usually for the younger people that I’ve worked with, they don’t have a parent that hunts or they come from a single mom family with… Read more »
Thanks for the info on that part of those Wisconsin laws.
I might hunt with a camera, but it’s not the same as hunting for food. I’d get instruction first, in everything.
“When that youngster (or adult) gets rounds in the bull or hits their first clay pigeon, turns around and looks at me…”
Er, with the gun still in his hands?
Nope timeactual, a shooter can actually turn their head looking back over their shoulder or to their side and still maintain the barrel down range in a safe manner. They are taught that no matter what position their body is in, the barrel is always pointed in a safe position or down range with the safety “on” before or after firing and their booger hook off the trigger.
I’m just a wee bit paranoid about things like that. I don’t even trust myself with a gun.
The gun:
“One of Rittenhouse’s lawyers said on social media the 17-year-old did not own the AR-15 he was carrying the night of the shooting or bring it across the Illinois/Wisconsin line.
“Kyle did not carry a gun across state line,” L. Lin Wood said in a tweet Friday morning. “The gun belonged to his friend, a Wisconsin resident. The gun never left the state of Wisconsin.” Wood is part of the Texas-based #FightBack Foundation Inc. that is raising money for Rittenhouse’s defense.”
URL: https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2020/08/28/new-details-emerge-kenosha-shooting-chief-union-defend-officers/5660081002/
OK, then that answers that question: where did he get the gun and did he bring it with him?
Thank you. That info wasn’t up yesterday when I put my article together.
Yes, that article was posted about 19 minutes before I posted the info here. Apparently it is a concern so the lawyers are addressing it.
It is interesting how the donations are stacking up…
Kyle Rittenhouse legal defense: $133,602 (8pm 28AUG2020)
https://www.givesendgo.com/GUCZ?fbclid=IwAR381CrDhT_GH-2IsqLZhi2U8hQ5XY-wFKE3QHSfc-mHmasjNJaulhFiR2k
Joseph “JoJo” Rosenbaum funeral expenses: $18,374 (8pm 28AUG2020)
https://www.gofundme.com/f/249yn2bzqo
Anthony Huber funeral expenses: $14,811 (8pm 28AUG2020)
https://www.gofundme.com/f/anthony-huber-family
Anthony Huber’s partner: $141,746 (8pm 28AUG2020)
https://www.gofundme.com/f/249ip7bjxc
Gaige Grosskreutz medical expenses: $35,131 (8pm 28AUG2020)
https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-kenosha-protestor-with-medical-bills
Is that the one he strangles and beats?
What? Hell, no. I mean, maybe he did it he was just playing. I filed charges because I was drunk and upset. These things happen. I had him tossed in the can, but we are madly in love and always have been, regardless of what I told my friends.
A good Christian man would never do such a thing. Particularity now that I can get PAID!!!!!!
Fund for Rittenhouse’s defense is now at ++$186,000.
While I feel some sympathy for this 17-year-old, he did not once stop to think about the consequences of getting involved in something that might have him up to his neck in a cesspit not of his making.
So the Kid came from out of town, so just where the hell did the rioting fleabags on the bus and vans come from?
API–he lived 15 miles from Kenosha and reportedly worked there–most of us wouldn’t consider that “out-of-town.”
Dude that died lived further away.
The media’s narrative seems to be falling apart.
When the NYT say “wait a sec”, then you know something is afoot.
Just what I was trying to say, he lives a few miles away from Kenosha, but the Antifa fleabags came from much farther away!
The real reason why the police tried to arrest Jacob Blake – violating a restraining order stemming from an alleged sexual assault:
https://nypost.com/2020/08/28/this-is-why-jacob-blake-had-a-warrant-out-for-his-arrest/
Blake was tazed twice by the police. He acted like he felt nothing at all. If he’d been drinking, that would not explain why he was oblivious to it, so he must have ingested some kind of drug that is not included anyway in reports about the incident.
IF you’ve ever seen the video of the USAF chick being tazed, you know how painful it is.
A really good video by a lawyer… it’s worth the time to watch it:
Testify! Thanks Senior. Maybe I need to put that young man on Retainer.
Good post.
At first blush, the only point we may have improper actions from Rittenhouse is the first shot(s) at the auto repair place. I wasn’t there, the vid sucks and until a reliable witness comes forward… innocence until…
Now everything after that when the young man was breaking contact: expert-level gun handling right there!
Considering the skills and discipline displayed during Rittenhouse’s ‘Mog Mile’ trot to friendly lines, logic dictates the first shoot was for a good reason too.
Give the young man a little leeway, just like you would anyone else, because use of force incidences may become more prevalent soon.
Would you like to be convicted in opinion and charged with homicide, BEFORE the facts were even known by the Police, all with the intent to placate terrorists?
Me neither.
A reliable witness has come forward. He is a reporter and he watched the events which resulted in the first shooting. He described what he saw on Tucker Carlson’s program.
Trying not to sound like an asshole and not trying to start anything with anyone, but the kid can shoot.
Textbook back and side shots (almost anyway), double-tap, head on a swivel, etc.
Well, to be fair, he was busting caps on folks that were like 6 feet away. But on the other hand, he didn’t send a single round into any rioter that didn’t directly threaten his life.
Was the felon with the pistol ever arrested?
I do not think so.
There was an article today online about how great the victims were, how they were family men and would never hurt a fly.
Quite the hit piece.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/wisconsin/2020/08/30/witnesses-detail-kenosha-shooting-seeing-kyle-rittenhouse-protest-jacob-blake-wisconsin-17-year-old/5656907002/
YGBFSM!!! Wonder how many stories like these will come out of the wood work to pad the witness and jury pools.
I swear some of these people are just amazing. We, here, don’t have an exclusive on the inherwebz. The information and records of all of these “peaceful” protestors is out there for all to see. So are all of the videos. Wonder who can honestly verify this dudes story. “…been protesting for 90 days…”
https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2020/08/29/antifa-rioting-in-kenosha-were-armed-and-spoiling-for-a-gunfight-and-they-found-one/
Oops
To quote one of the Tweets:
“Lotta guns in that crowd…”
Wasn’t there a poser that was outed a few years back from Kenosha?
A city councilman or such?
Law of the pursuer: din rodef
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/08/kyle_rittenhouse_and_the_law_of_the_pursuer.html
Oops
This seems important to the topic at hand.
This is a bit late to the thread, but very interesting analysis:
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/The-Kenosha-Shootings-Kyle-Rittenhouse-A-Tactical-and-Legal-Analysis-UPDATED-1st-Shooter-ID-d-/5-2362796/
Interesting read, thanks.