In Regard to Recessions
There have been 33 recessions since 1854, long before the Great Depression. Some of them were severe, some were short and corrected themselves without putting too much pressure on people. When Andrew Jackson was President, he disliked the Second Bank, also known as Biddle’s Bank. His aim was to pay off the national debt, which he did manage to do. It is, in fact, the only time the USA has ever been able to say “we don’t owe nuttin’ to nobody.”
“The 1830s were a tumultuous decade for America. The attempt by the Second Bank of the United States for an early recharter was passed by Congress in July 1832, but the bill was vetoed shortly thereafter by President Andrew Jackson. The hopes of the bank’s supporters to turn the veto in a winning campaign issue in that fall’s presidential campaign failed dismally. In 1833, Jackson retaliated against the bank by removing federal government deposits and placing them in “pet” state banks. As federal revenue from land sales soared, Jackson saw the opportunity to fulfill his dream of paying off the national debt – which he did in early 1835. But as the economy overheated and so did state dreams of infrastructure projects. Congress passed a law in 1836 that required the federal surplus to be distributed to the states in four payments.” – https://lehrmaninstitute.org/history/Andrew-Jackson-1837.html
In the years that followed Jackson, the USA went more deeply into debt, with land purchases all the way out to the west coast, and subsequent to that, the territory known now as Alaska was purchased from the Russian Empire by Andrew Johnson in 1867. Known as Seward’s Folly, it cost the USA in the post-Civil War era $7.2 million, about what a pricey house in Chicago now costs.
The real intent behind the Civil War was to wreck the economy of the South, which did happen. The South’s economy was based on cotton production, not on the industrial steel mills and stockyards of the North. The fact that cotton was easy to raise, and that cheap labor and easy access to the coast for shipping, never mind access to even easier shipping on the Mississippi River, made it all the more important for the South to establish its own identity, hence the attempt to secede from the North and take control of Louisiana and Mississippi, as well as the entire southern coast. The South’s economy depended almost entirely on cotton, which was marketed to the textile and spinning mills of England, a vibrant source of revenue that the North could not acquire. And yes, when the Civil War ended and the damage was done, the South floundered economically for many, many decades.
The following article written early in March 2020 indicates that the writer and his sources expected a recession, but did not anticipate an intentional shutdown of almost all commerce, nor is there an indication that one of the major “tells” of a real recession occurs at the gas pump. https://qz.com/1815176/will-coronavirus-cause-a-us-recession-in-2020/
To quote the author of the article: “The coronavirus is both a supply and demand shock, which will deliver a heavy punch to the US economy,” Sweet told Quartz by email. “A [US] recession is avoidable, but that depends on how the collective psyche holds up and the policy response.”
Meanwhile, the OECD and the IMF, as well as banks like JP Morgan, have also downgraded their estimates for global growth. The New York Federal Reserve’s real-time forecast for the US economy remains positive for both Q1 and Q2. – article
When the article was written, early in March 2020, the doomsday scenario of the Covid-19 virus had not yet become so widespread, and the analysts consulted did not take it into account.
So, yes, we’re in a recession now: it is manmade, intentionally shutting down businesses with no thought to the consequences for large or small businesses, or to suppliers of goods for the consumer markets, e.g., your grocery store, Hormel, Exxon, United Airlines, etc. Some companies that paid dividends have been forced to forego that for the duration of this episode of dictating the terms of our existence to us.
Most recessions follow rises in the stock and commodities markets. These are part of natural cycles, not created out of whole cloth the way the current recession has been. The 2007 recession came on the heels of the idiotic mortgages people were persuaded to carry, as well as other odd and harmful antics in financial markets that literally sent companies into oblivion, like the Enron scandal that made the longstanding accounting firm of Arthur Andersen shut its doors permanently in June 2002. That Andersen was complicit in what Enron wanted it to do – destroy evidence – was behind that failure, but shutting down in one day was a shock to its employees and the public in general. And things just went sour from there.
Following the Bush administration, you know who got elected and what he set out to do, and the false hopes that were splattered all over the place – and the naive and uninformed believed it would all happen. And a recession occurred during that administration, because there was no real attempt to put the country back on track. Missed opportunities….
The Dow Jones and other market averages have been fluctuating significantly for several weeks now. One financial analyst views it as a buying opportunity, but his response to this recession, which, as he has said, is “manufactured” rather than real, is that another and very real recession will be hitting all of us, including overseas markets, in the 2021-2022 time period. The hysterics and outright fabrications that I’ve seen – you’ve seen them, too – in politicians holding public office and in the media are a clear signal that something is changing. Keep an eye on this.
I’m guessing that we will face a real recession in 2021-2022. I’d take that as a warning to spend as little money as possible on unnecessary things and keep your ammo, pantry, cupboards and freezers stocked.
And do not take anything for granted.
Good advice.
Perhaps we should be perversely grateful that so many have almost guaranteed incomes from the bloated assortment of gubmint jobs so that some folks will continue to be paid and have expendable income? That will at least broaden the tax base a bit.
Strange times. Preparing for strange and stranger times a-comin’ seems smart. Glad I didn’t have any big trips planned.
What OWB said, and “ditto”!
Andrew Jackson’s accomplishment of paying off the National Debt is a huge PLUS on the how good a President scale he was, it is off set by his replacing the RUM RATION with COFFEE 🙁
https://www.militarynews.com/peninsula-warrior/historical-talk-at-army-transportation-museum-at-joint-base-langley/article_8589dc7a-63cc-11ea-970c-ffeb54a126bd.html
“President Andrew Jackson issued an executive order essentially sobering up military rations at the time and replaced alcohol with coffee. ”
I have seen the reference to the Executive Order before in a book about Military Rations, ” Food in the American Military: A History” by John C Fisher. But cannot find it listed in the EO by Andrew Jackson….
Think it was listed as EO 30 or 31….
If you find it, please post it here.
Apparently Numbering of Executive Orders did not start until 1907, with the State Dept going back to 1862 assigning numbers.
“The form, substance and numbers of presidential orders has varied dramatically in the history of the US Presidency. Numbering of Executive Orders began in 1907 by the Department of State, which assigned numbers to all the orders then in their files dating from 1862”
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/executive-orders
Andrew Jackson apparently issued his EO to replace the RUM/WHISKEY/BRANDY ration with Coffee and Sugar on October 25th 1832
https://www.amazon.com/Food-American-Military-John-Fisher-dp-0786434171/dp/0786434171/ref=mt_paperback?_encoding=UTF8&me=&qid=1588623297
Did not find anything in the Federal Register:
https://www.federalregister.gov/public-inspection/search?conditions%5Bterm%5D=%22andrew+jackson%22+rum#
or in the Andrew Jackson section at the Library of Congress website
https://www.loc.gov/collections/andrew-jackson-papers/about-this-collection/
https://findingaids.loc.gov/db/search/xq/searchITFA02.xq?_q=coffee&_type=all&select=all&_id=loc.mss.eadmss.ms009180&_displayTerm=coffee
also no hits here:
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/people/president/andrew-jackson
Having said all that, we can blame Congress. Scroll down to Section 17 in this PDF.
It replaces the “spirit or whiskey component” with Coffee and Sugar
https://www.loc.gov/law/help/statutes-at-large/25th-congress/sesson-2/c25s2ch162.pdf
Jerry,
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Thanks,
AW1
Thanks, will avoid using more than a couple of links in the future.
Jerry
Timely history lesson Mi’Lady and a reminder of how little actual control we can have of our fortunes. Jackson ruined his rep with me with his treatment of the Natives that were here and the fact that he broke the long standing treaties that the gubmint had made and set the stage for later tribes/countries not wanting to trust the Feds. The Federal Government has never earned any money, it has only taken resources from those that did. Money from land sales? Land stolen from the occupants that were already here. Before the WBTS 80% of the other revenue came from the export/import tariffs, mainly from the cotton economy you made mention of. The Carpetbagger/Scalawag/Reconstruction Bayonet Rule government in the South was worse on ALL of the Southern citizens than the economy during the war was. Can you say sharecroppers? Or maybe sweatshop textile mills? But excuse me, I digress.
Some of the corruption that was ongoing during the Grant admin and the actions of the Jay Gould and other robber barons during that time caused undue hardships on the average person. Grubmint needs to concentrate on the overall defense of the nation and leave more disposable income in the pocket of the citizen. Your economy will hum right along then.
Land grabbing went on even after the Nations were where the native tribes were sent. Now you know that already.
But carelessness and dismissiveness about the economy isn’t something new. Some presidents spent money like water, and the economy went into freefall.
This shutdown is what is causing our real problem: no sales taxes coming in, no federal and local taxes being levied, etc. – well, we’re waiting to get back to work and cough up those taxes, aren’t we?
I’ve seen a estimate that projects the US Government could DOUBLE the current national debt to $50 Trillion and still be able to fully service the interest payments.
So I’m asking Mr. Trump to throw this retiree another stimulus check for at least $1,200.
As a proud member of the Free Shit Army I stand ready to be stimulated again.
Show me the money!! Make it rain Mr. President!!
Ditto! I can invest in more chicken, bacon, ham, beef – you name it, I’ll buy it.
Are those birds i ce standing on the ice??
Naw. It was six inches of snow covering ice. And they’re part of the Free Stuff Army, Avian Division.
In academic circles, they’re also being called “avian dinosaurs”.
We’re all dinosaurs at this point, thebesig.
(D’OH!)
(double facepalm, when one facepalm isn’t enough)
Musically speaking of ice, if you do not cee sharp you will likely bee flat.
11B-Mailclerk
Musically speaking of ice, if you do not cee sharp you will likely bee flat.GROAN, but you are in the pun groove.
Speaking of recessions – it’s a good thing they extended tax filing day. I am still fighting the system trying to get 2096’s.
Gr-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r.
Surely they would like for me to get the $$ I owe them to help them pay for the free $$ they promised to send me.
Of COURSE the 2096’s I can’t seem to get them to send me are from, you guessed it, another branch down the street from the IRS. Silly people.
Again today I have been assured that they are in the mail. “Could you at least tell some of the numbers in a few of the boxes so I can finish the taxes, then file away the hard copies when they get here?” You know the answer, from a poor youngster who sounded like she really DID want to help!
No wonderful we are in $$ trouble. They don’t seem to want $$ even from those of us trying to send them some!
I feel for you, OWB. I really do.