Trump Lays Down the Law on Pardoned SEAL

| November 21, 2019

‘The Navy Will NOT Be Taking Away Eddie Gallagher’s Trident Pin’

By Megan Fox

Donald Trump, CinC, has made his wishes perfectly clear on his favorite media- twitter.

The Navy will NOT be taking away Warfighter and Navy Seal Eddie Gallagher’s Trident Pin. This case was handled very badly from the beginning. Get back to business! November 21, 2019

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)

In the last few days, the chattering class has been speculating about what the Navy would do to Chief Gallagher despite being acquitted of the crimes he was accused of.

We all know the sad tale of vicious rumors and false accusations that lead to Chief Gallagher’s incarceration for nearly a year before his court martial. How the prosecution trampled all over his rights, the surprise confession, and finally his acquittal of the murder charge.

After the acquittal, President Trump reversed the decision of the court to reduce Chief Gallagher from E-7 to E-6 for appearing in that now famous photograph. Tellingly, no other personnel appearing in the same pic have been punished.

Still wanting a pound of flesh, the SEAL two star decided to review his status as a SEAL and called him to appear before a review board.

But the armed forces answer to one man, and he sits in the White House. The president has made it very clear that the Navy is not to do any such thing and has ordered them to leave Gallagher alone. It should be interesting to see if Green refuses to drop this bone and puts himself at risk of being replaced by his commander. If there’s one line Donald Trump has a lot of practice delivering, it’s “you’re fired.”

Hat tip to Poetrooper for the link. The rest of the article may be viewed here: PJ Media.com

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FuzeVT

People just don’t seem to know when they should quit. Trump knows when they should quit, however.

Mick

“Get back to business!”

KA-BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!

Shack!

GDContractor

Monday Night Rehabilitation!!!

IT’S COMING, AND IT’S GONNA BE SPECTACULAR, SCROS!!!

Sapper3307

Brawndo, it’s got what plants crave.

Anonymous

Not to mention:

5th/77th FA

Wonder if the Big Navy Flag has already got himself an after retirement gig lined up? If not, he maybe ought to start leaving a few resumes’ here and there.

I heard that Brucie’s Bath House (Entrance in the Rear) is always taking applications.

Donald Trump (in his best Darth Vader voice: Admiral, I AM the CinC!

Cameron Kingsley

I could picture Trump Force chocking Admiral Green like what Vader did to Admiral Ozzel in The Empire Strikes Back if he had that capability.

The Other Whitey

I’d pay to see that!

“Captain, deploy the fleet. You are in command now, *Admiral.* Do not disappoint me.” [Previous admiral collapses]

SteeleyI

So, to be clear, did you guys think Darth Vader was the good guy in the movies?

Docduracoat

The Empire did nothing wrong!

SteeleyI

The Emporer was just like Thanos, trying to restore balance…

Just Lurkin

The more movies they make, the harder I root for the empire.

Bim

I’m willing to bet he’s just going to roll into a cushy job as a talking head on MSNBC or CNN so he can badmouth the administration with impunity.

It’s obvious Green resents being told what to do.

Fjardeson

Green-DON’T MESS WITH THE NCA!

Sapper3307

Boom,, shot out—-splash—- one clown car destroyed.

Duane

There’s one line in the article that a whole lot of people just seem to fail to read or understand – that the Armed Forces answer to one man, and he sits in the White House. I think a lot of the people making the big noise about it are the same ones that were in favor of a deserter getting pardoned, etc. I applaud the CINC for putting the hammer down on this subject!

USAFRetired

Amen!

Thunderstixx

Bravo… Bravo…. Bravo !!!!!!!
Fucking clown show city.
I’m so sick of these asswipes, if Trump loses in 2020, I sincerely believe that all bets will be off as far as what happens next…..

26Limabeans

I am afraid that you are correct.
This country will not survive another Obama

ChipNASA

Everything they do now, every step they take, every move they make (no not THAT song!!) every mistake they make, 2020 will be watching you. (I couldn’t help it. )

They’re literally publicly buttfucking themselves.

You thought 2016 was a weeping teeth gnashing liberal pants shitting fest?

Just wait about 340 days or so.

Anonymous

Democrat/leftist assholes will be unhinged/nasty if he wins, too.

Club Manager, USA ret.

Isn’t it refreshing to have a Commander in Chief that leads from the front not the rear. Memo to a certain Flag Officer, start floating your resume and be prepared to be awarded the coveted NDSM upon retirement which is coming a lot sooner than you planned. What part of leave this sailor the fuck alone did you not understand.

Comm Center Rat

Flag Officers aren’t used to being told NO. The CINC has made it simple for RADM Green: do no further harm to CPO Gallagher. Green should now salute crisply and comply with his CINC’s order. If in good conscience he can not or will not comply, then Green should retire immediately, if not sooner.

OWB

The only question remaining is if the spoiled brats have finally gotten the message that the adults are in charge. Probably not yet. Perhaps eventually they will understand that their lives would suddenly become sooo much easier if they just learn to act their chronologic age. (One can hope!)

Martinjmpr

I can picture a Navy JAG furiously flipping through the UCMJ and Manual of Courts Martial to determine whether they have the authority to take away Gallagher’s birthday.

Thunderstixx

It’s UCMJ Regulation; 104679:699669.
Right after the Bent Dog tags and shipped to Alaska rules…..

HMCS(FMF) ret

For us Navy types it used to be PCS orders to Diego Garcia…

Peter the Bubblehead

I went to Sub School with someone who, about two years later, got himself disqualified submarines and transferred to Diego Garcia. No one I know ever saw him again.

Just An Old Dog

Chief Gallagher is a marked man caught in the middle. I hope he gets a good offer from a Civilian Company and can just retire.
There’s a time to take what you have and get out. Regardless of his many supporters there are enough Clintonistas and Obamites left in the ranks to make a high profile enlisted man’s life hell.

Mustang Major

Trump should make Gallagher the next Ambassador to the Ukraine. Vindman should be sent over there also and report to the Gallagher. Will solve a few problems at once.

Honor and Courage

I like it!

Reddawg_03

He wasn’t found guilty of ANY of that.

He was found guilty of posing with a corpse. BTW your 7 heros that rolled on the Chief did the same thing and were never prosecuted.

MSG Eric

Typical military response. “We wanna fuck that guy. We can’t do it that way? Well, we’ll do it this way instead!” “Oh we can’t do it that way either? Well, we’ll find a way, even if it takes us 10 years!”

Regardless of what happened, the amount of prosecutor misconduct to get him convicted should’ve been enough for the Navy to say, “okay, let it go.” But of course not…

Jeff LPH 3, 63-66

The 2 star A…E just can’t stand to lose just like the demo rats that lost in 2016. If he is reading my comment, I wonder if he will try to reduce my MM3 down to Fireman First because of that # 1 air compressor I went to Capt’s mast over. While I was screaming for another Rebel Burger and RC Cola at the Trade Winds EM club, he was screaming for more pablum-If he was born yet. Hope he doesn’t get a hold of my ARNG DD214 and try and demote me from 11B E5 to E4 because I broke starch to march. Hmmm.

Steve1371

Thats my President ! MAGA !

A Proud Infidel®™️

Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t Flag Officers serve at the pleasure of the CINC? IMHO Green is a boot licking 0bamite who just can’t take NO for an answer sans having a hissyfit and I hope that President Trump boots him. What’s next, will Green now try to Court Martial Chief Gallagher because he got a parking ticket in front of HQ from an overzealous SP fifteen years ago?

The Stranger

That’s right. If the good Admiral keeps this up, he can start looking for another job, along with anyone who tries to cover for him. Looking at you there, CNO; you might want to tell RADM Green to sit down and shut up.

USMC Steve

All officers serve at the pleasure of the president. He can fire any of them he wants to for any reason or for no reason at any time. He should already have shitcanned Green.

SteeleyI

All officers do. One poster here suggested that all commissioned officers be subjected to a loyalty test. All registered democrats should go. Totally within his authority.

He can also launch a first strike nuclear attack on The UK

rgr769

You are becoming just as deranged as our commie cuttlefish.

SteeleyI

What is deranged about this? All officers serve at the pleasure of the president. On one of the many Vindman threads, somebody said that as president he would get rid of all democrat officers. I wish I was making that up.

Also, the president can unilaterally launch a nuclear strike without permission from anyone. The SecDef (or a successor) only verifies the order, they are not approving or agreeing with it.

Now, you may be think I am deranged because the US has a strict no first use policy.. That is incorrect, but it doesn’t matter because as many pointed out in the Vindman testimony, the president sets US national security policy.

Graybeard

The CinC has spoken; clearly, directly, and pointedly.

I love the USA having a good boss.

Huey Jock

I retired just a couple of months before having to call Silly Willie my CINC.

WHEW!!!!

Twist

I served under Clinton, Bush, and Obama. The difference between serving under Clinton and Bush was like night and day. Under Clinton it was “here are your 15 blank rounds for this 14 day force on force training exercise, try not to use them all at once”. It was tons better under Bush. The main difference that I saw between Bush and Obama was that under Obama our ROE became much, much more constrictive.

Mustang Major

I served under Nixon, Ford, Carter, Regan and Bush. I remember that the most meaningful pay raises came from Nixon- $77 to $130 a month (or there about) as a PV1; and Regan, about 11% as a 1LT. Glad to have retired before some of the policies impacting the military were put in place by Clinton and Obama.

SteeleyI

Well, he’s not the boss of the USA (unless you mean US Army).

STSC(SW/SS)

Admiral Green. Is this an ancestor of Colonel Green, committer of mass genocide in the late 21st century.

Trent Klug

Bravo!!!! Star Trek TOS reference away.

Overwhelm and devastate! Obviously, the President learned from that.

Docduracoat

But Kodos, the executioner, killed more Federation citizens than Colonel Green.
And he had a second career as an actor.

Harry

Eddie Gallagher should thank God that Trump is CinC. If that addled, lying product-of-Satan’s-anus Hillary had won he would be serving life on a bullshit murder charge. God Bless President Trump!

Retired NFO

LtCol Vindman watch out!

UpNorth

Upvotes, Retired NFO. Many, many upvotes. That was my first thought after hearing what the President had done for Chief Gallagher, and his response to the admiral’s ill-advised temper tantrum.

Toxic Deplorable Racist B Woodman

That’s “Venkman”.

Retired NFO

That’s Mr. Venkman to you! 🤣

MK75Gunner

Stand by for Green to retire and be the latest face of the “Resistance”. I’m sure the left wing alphabet networks will be courting him. Lefties love the Military as long as they hate the same targets.

IDC SARC

The CINC should summon certain people under his command to the oval office for a counseling session…some positive reinforcement is in order.

The WH IDC could also tape and weigh them all to see how many are out of standards and need to be on a personalized PT program lead by Chief(SEAL) Gallagher. 🙂

Get those fat bodies all wet and sandy.

Doc Savage

In the Army, thats covered under: FM 22-102; Wall to Wall counseling.

Buckeye Jim

Even if Gallagher was found guilty of all charges (highly doubtful), any qualification badges should be off limits. They were EARNED regardless of subsequent performance, actions, or behaviors.

Nope

Those qualms are earned everyday. Pull that pin.

The Stranger

Yeah, OK. Once the President gives an order, that’s it.

SEAL TWO

As they always used to say, NAVSPECWAR eats its young. Although I’ve been away from it for a while, I still clearly remember how appalled so many of us at the teams were when (some) of those senior officers were selected from the SPECWAR community for flag rank. Appalled, but not surprised. Of course there were some excellent ones, such as Eric Olsen and Joe Maguire. Others, such as McRaven, would do absolutely anything for money and power (including, with all probability, unnatural acts in a public forum with animals). Green probably falls into the latter category.

USMC Steve

This is a perfect example of Big Navy not being able to let go of its stupidity.

jimmyb

Years ago I read Richard Marcinko’s book and thinking about that and how this relates, well to me, it seems if you upset the old brass, they will get you. Too bad President Trump wasn’t around back then.

rgr769

When Marcinko’s Red Team captured a nuc sub in the Groton sub base, that was the final straw for the Admirals. They couldn’t take anymore embarrassment.

SteeleyI

It’s like Green thinks he is responsible for the entire SpecWar community and upholding their standards of conduct.

What’s next? Is he going to try to determine who earns the SEAL trident in the first place?

UpNorth

Maybe Green will come up with a SEAL Trident(P)? The P for provisional. Then if somebody hurts his feelings the Trident can be revoked.

FC2(SW)Ron

Good. Now, Admiral Green, if you have such a moral conviction, resign or retire. I hope the President can replace these “zer0” era military members who now hold rank that have poisoned the services. They certainly aren’t leaders that I would want to follow.

Sapper3307

“Is it time for father to take his belt off?”
TRUMP45

Anonymous

🙂

SteeleyI

The president is screwing this up.

The board was to consider if Gallagher should lose his pin- no decision had been made.

https://news.usni.org/2019/11/21/president-trump-tweets-to-stop-gallagher-trident-review-board

By jumping the gun, the president is undermining the Navy’s ability to enforce standards. Who knows, the panel (which would have been made up of mainly enlisted SEALs) may have decided not to revoke the badge.

The SpecWar community is in a crisis with a lot of indiscipline and actual criminal behavior. This board was one of the measures they are using. The president is reacting to direct appeals from people like serial adulterer and fake Sky Soldier Pete Hegseth without listening to his SecNav and CNO, who both approved the board.

Poetrooper

For someone who’s served, you sure seem to have a lot of Polly Annish faith in the flag ranks. Do you honestly believe that ANY review board, enlisted or not, isn’t going to be feeling the heat from the upper brass precisely for the perceived reasons you cite?

Frankly, as someone who served in a force that the media condemned for “indiscipline and actual criminal behavior” thanks to a few sorry bastards like John Kerry and Dan Rather, I tend to be a bit skeptical of your claims. You remind me a bit over much of them, what with your condemnation of Gallagher and your disparagement of Pete Hegseth, while scolding all of us at here at TAH for not supporting a demonstrable worm like “That’s lieutenant colonel” Vindmann.

If these comment threads were close-order drill, you and Lars would be the two-left-footed fuck-ups always out of step in the company street.

FC2(SW)Ron

Rock on Poe!

SteeleyI

A two part response:

For someone who serv d you seem to have a lot of faith in a president who never served and a former National Guard captain, morning show host, and serial adulterer to establish the standards of conduct of the SEALs.

Look up Hegseths bio. Should he be the presidents key advisor on discipline in the SEAL community? Bonus question: would you let him date your daughter? I know, he just got married (again) but neither that or a pregnant wife doesn’t seem to stop him from meeting women.

The SecNav (a Trump appointee) and CNO both think there is a crisis n the SEAL community, and by any objective measure they are correct. Aside from Gallagher, they had a platoon kicked out of Iraq, a widespread and well known drug problem in Virginia Beach (where the East Coast Groups are), and they murdered a Green Beret in Africa for threatening to expose their fraudulent activities there.

This is a problem. The president just made it worse.

UpNorth

“If these comment threads were close-order drill, you and Lars would be the two-left-footed fuck-ups always out of step in the company street.”
BOOM!!!

SteeleyI

Part Two: You seem to think I will be insulted if you call me a prof, a lefty, or a Never Trumper. For one, I am am none of those. Moreover, I really don’t care if you call me that. I’ve never met any of you and do not Kay awake at night hoping I really scored so,e points on the Gallagher- Vindman threads. What I am is someone with enouh military experience to know BS when I see it and the willingness to read outside a very narrow source of news. I also don’t care if you compare me to Lars. I never met Lars, who I guess is also Commisar, but I do think it’s weird that all of you are so obsessed with him. What’s sad is none of you can respond to him without insulting him, and you almost never respond with a factually supported counterpoint. Here’s the deal: Without Lars or me, this blog would be incredibly boring. Someone posts a news story with a Predictably far right analysis of the world situation, and 2or 3 of you respond with paraphrases from another right wing site or a Wikipedia article (some of you don’t even bother to paraphrase, but plagiarism is the highest form of flattery, right?). At some point, someone will make a vaguely relevant military or gay themed joke, and then the thread becomes unreadable. To Poe’s post: I haven’t scolded anyone for not supporting Vindman. In fact, I don’t really support Vindman… Read more »

SFC D

You seem to be something of a sexual intellectual. Backed up with an extraordinary amount of arrogance. Not a very good combination if you’re trying to persuade folks to listen.

SteeleyI

i had to look up sexual intellectual. Funny.

No, I don’t know it all, but I do know a lot, and what I don’t know I research.

I generally start by trying to persuade, but after about the third or fourth insulting and ignorant response I usually just get down to the heart of the matter.

Stick with me and eventually you will find it charming. That’s what both my ex-wives said.

But I appreciate the free advice.

Poetrooper

“Stick with me and eventually you will find it charming. That’s what both my ex-wives said.”

Well, you’ve certainly shown us why those guys left…

SteeleyI

Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.

David

Inconceivable!

Couldn’t resist.

Poetrooper

“I also feel satisfaction that I am educating many of you, passing on the wisdom UNaccumulated after 22 years active duty and 10 years as an Army Civilian.”

Amazing how the addition of only two letters can have such a clarifying effect…

SteeleyI

You’re trying to trick me into giving away something — it won’t work —

Poetrooper

From the article:

“And even if it’s an order, they seem to have cast doubt on whether it’s lawful, arguing internally that the fate of Gallagher’s trident is an agency regulatory matter, much like determining whether a pilot can qualify for a license.”

Well the admirals may choose to view it as an ‘agency regulatory matter’ but their continued service at the pleasure of the commander-in-chief most assuredly isn’t. They should take care that they do not sail into waters where there be dragons. That orange one can be a real sumbitch.

A Proud Infidel®™

“That orange one can be a real sumbitch.”
He doesn’t take any prisoners whatsoever!

SteeleyI

Of course. I think the admirals know that. Smell this:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/23/politics/edward-gallagher-navy-trump-disciplinary-action/index.html

What you do not smell is that the Trump-appointed Secretay of the Navy and Defense as well as the Chairman are trying to get the president to understand that he is undermining their ability to do the things he needs them to do.

This isn’t a pissing contest. They aren’t out to get Gallagher. This isn’t the perfumed princes trying to get a warfighter because they are jealous or because they want to sell a book later.

They know they can be fired. I doubt that getti fired has worried them for years. They have Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, and a long list of terrorist organizations along with the fact that the Navy can’t stop ships from crashing into container ships or SEALs from doing drugs or murdering Green Berets.

I bet getting fired is a sweet release they fantasize about these days.

These have been Princess Bride references, by he way. Have your grandkids explain them to you.

Poetrooper

Says the grown man who uses Princess Bride references…

Poetrooper

And CNN as a factual source…

SteeleyI

The SecNav is basically saying that presidential tweets do not constitute policy. The president clearly thinks they do (I agree with the president on this one).

Why is Spencer doing this? Because the president has established a precedent of hasty tweets announcing major policy changes and decisions that have to be walked back later.

They are either policy or they aren’t. If they aren’t, then they will be ignored, which sort of makes the president look silly and erodes his authority.

If they are, he needs to slow his roll and talk to his advisors, not just his caddy. This ain’t the 9th hole at Maralago

https://taskandpurpose.com/navy-leaders-jobs-gallagher

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/trump-vs-navy-leadership-the-showdown-over-eddie-gallaghers-seal-trident

The Stranger

You mean the former Secretary of the Navy. He just got canned.

LC

Grown men can’t make ‘Princess Bride’ references? Inconceivable! What’s next, do we rule out ‘Airplane!’ references? Surely you can’t be serious…

Firebase

And stop calling him “Shirley”!

SFC D

If he takes those two references away from us, we might not ever be able to communicate here again.

LC

Looks like we picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue!

Firebase

“Princess Bride” is a tongue-in-cheek fairy tale which was aimed mostly at adults. Kids (and grandkids) were able to enjoy it too, even if they missed much of the subtle, sophisticated humor. It was written by William Goldman, a renowned screenwriter who also wrote “Butch Cassidy And The Sundance Kid” and “All The President’s Men.”

SteeleyI

And it starred Andre the Giant!!!!

His best line: “it’s not my fault I’m the biggest and strongest. I don’t even exercise!”

Firebase

Careful now, that sounds suspiciously “gay.” Or like something a “Sexual Intellectual” might say. (I’m still trying to figure out WTF that means).

A Proud Infidel®™

Do you prance around wearing a cheap tiara while you come up with that shit?

SteeleyI

No. my tiaras are all very expensive, so I don’t wear them when I prance.

The fascinating thing is that you immediately assume someone that disagrees with you and/or uses humor is gay.

The sad thing is that you’ve apparently never seen The Princess Bride.

Together, these facts explain a lot.

steeleylbunghole

SteeleyI

Also, do you imagine this scenario often? Is it just me or do you fantasize about other men? What are we wearing (aside from the tiara)?

I don’t mind, I just want to know what to expect from you in future posts.

rgr769

Well, the steely-eye has one thing in common with our favorite cuttlefish. Both of them have never had a job that didn’t have a government paycheck attached to it.

SteeleyI

Neither has Eddie Gallagher.

You caught me. I’m not a salt of the earth man of the people.

Of course, I never claimed to be, and I am not posting on a ‘Dirty Jobs’ blog.

I did have my share of crappy jobs, though- everything from Wal Mart to highway maintenance in South Texas. People seem to aim at the guy with the flag.

SFC D

Being found not guilty doesn’t require a pardon. Other than that detail, you’re correct.

SteeleyI

All correct. most stories say Gallagher was ‘convicted of a lesser charge’, but he was still convicted. His punishment was a reduction in grade. The Trident issue is an administrative action triggered by his conviction for a war crime that embarrassed the Navy..

SFC D

I think the Navy was far more embarrassed by their handling of the case than Gallagher’s actions.

SteeleyI

Oh, they were embarrassed all right. But, if you read the background, they thought they had cleared it with the White House. Apparent,y, the CNO and SecNav got Milley and McConvikke to convince the president to change his mind.

The Navy is in a bad spot here. The SEALs are screening up big time, in public. They can’t just pretend this stuff isn’t happening, but if they come down on Gallagher they are being vindictive.

This isn’t a good look.

rgr769

“Child ISIS fighter” my ass. You progtard always spin the truth. He was an adult fighter by their standards and I doubt anybody down range from his rifle thought he was a child. Let’s have some teenagers shoot you and see if you want to give them a pass.

SteeleyI

The president doesn’t issue laws, so nothing he tweets or says is a law.

What makes you think tweets aren’t orders?

The presidents public and official statements are considered to be statements of policy.

Tweets from his official account are public and official statements.

Presidential policy has the weight of an order for the military.

Would it be different if he announced it in the press or said it in a speech? Because both of those instances have long been considered statements of policy.

The president clearly thinks he is giving orders. So does the Navy. The Navy’s official press release was this:

“The Navy follows the lawful orders of the president. We will do so in case of an order to stop the administrative review of SOC Gallagher’s professional qualification. We are aware of the president’s tweet, and we are awaiting further guidance.” does that

Were you confused by the president’s guidance on Gallagher’s trident? Was he just kidding, or did he mean it? If you were the Secretary of the Navy, would you have taken his tweet as an order? Which presidential tweets would you ignore, and which would you follow? How do you tell the difference?

You cant have it both ways.

SteeleyI

School away. This is fun.

The story you posted clearly states that SecNav Spencer thinks he needs formal orders to act.

What he thinks is interesting, but the president is the commander in Chief, and he clearly thinks his tweets are orders.

The only distinction for whether or not you carry out an order to the best of your ability is whether it is lawful or unlawful.

The tweet was pretty clear. There is no doubt what the president wants the navy to do (or not do, in this case)

Don’t get me wrong, I think this is a problem. It undermines the Navy’s ability to do its job, and erodes good order and discipline.

It also looks like the Navy sought further guidance, and the president is backing down.

The president should not be in the practice of issuing orders via tweet. It is fraught with danger, and this is a great example. There are many more. But, as long as he does, his tweets are lawful orders.

SFC D

I don’t claim to know how it works at the Presidential level, but in the Army, we consider that anything uttered or directed by a Non-commissed officer to be an order. Illegal orders excepted. I’ll agree that tweeted directives are an extremely bad idea, but legally, it’s an order.

SteeleyI

On the count of three, what’s you’re favorite dinosaur?

Did we just become best friends?

SteeleyI

On three, what is your favorite dinosaur?

Did we just become best friends?

OWB

Who cares whether it is a formal or informal order? It’s still an order.

Were you aboard a sinking ship, would you consider a verbal order to abandon ship formal enough to do as ordered? The sane among us would. Just as most/all of us followed orders during our military careers no matter in what form they were delivered.

This is really not as difficult as you seem to wish to make it, l’il l’il.

David

https://www.yahoo.com/news/secretary-navy-says-trump-tweet-233724978.html
and on Sunday, it looks like the White House blinked first.

The Stranger

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The Stranger

Yeah, they blinked all right. As in “Did this dumb motherfucker really just do this dumb shit here? All right, I got this, too easy…”. Did you really think that was going to be the end of it? SECNAV decided to act a fool and got the ax. I’m sure there’s plenty more where that came from. RADM Green and the CNO both might want to start lining up their next gigs, they won’t have their current ones much longer.

Fyrfighter

You do know that Chief Gallagher was found NT guilty on those charges, right?? Only the BS ones of posing with a corpse, for which all the others that posed with it received no punishment at all, right??
As for “dictatorial temper tantrum”, nice hyperbole, but it’s totally within his purview to fire any such officer that fails to follow his LAWFUL orders… which brings up your false choice about nuking the UK.. You know that’s a strawman argument made by a fool right? Or are you really too stupid to understand that you’re the fool?

Fyrfighter

Yeah, try again troll, the “child ” was 17.. kinda like all those “kids” in demonrat run cities you claim are “victims” of gun violence, while failing to mention they’re seasoned gang members guilty of multiple murders.. Such pictures have been taken in all previous wars, and while unsavory, they damn sure don’t warrant charges.. and seeing he was isis, and what a disease of the mind islam is, I doubt seriously that he wasn’t a full on fanatic, and not forced into it at all…

Stop drinking the bong water!

Poetrooper

SecNav has been fired by SecDef over this issue, no doubt acting on CinC orders. When the alpha dog growls, it ain’t smart to growl back.

SteeleyI

This has been a moronathon.

Spencer’s resignation letter says:

“Unfortunately, it has become apparent that in this respect, I no longer share the same understanding with the commander in chief who appointed me, in regards to the key principle of good order and discipline. I cannot in good conscience obey an order that I believe violates the sacred oath I took.”

Yet, according to the US Naval Institute story, Spencer was allegedly (without telling Esper) seeking a deal with the White House to basically hold a sham board to keep up appearances but guarantee that Gallagher would keep his trident. That seems unethical to me.

Who in the White House was he talking to, and when were they planning to tell the president? You think Trump is pissed now, wait until he finds out someone on the White House staff is making deals behind his back.

https://news.usni.org/2019/11/24/secnav-spencer-to-resign-over-gallagher-deal-with-white-house-modly-now-acting-secnav

Poetrooper

The only thing we have to prove to you is that you’re an uninformed, opinionated liberal idiot.

And we don’t even have to do that.

Not since you’re managing to do it so well without any help…

Poetrooper

Lily, your continued characterization of that dead fighter as a child tells me you don’t know zip about unconventional warfare. Whether the enemy who kills you is thirteen or thirty-three makes little difference–you’re still dead.

Go look at the many videos available out there of Islamic training of young boys to be jihadist fighters. No one among the many here who have served in combat wants to be responsible for killing a child, but sometimes the enemy’s callous use of children as fighters makes it necessary. Your immature histrionics and name-calling show clearly that you have no informed grasp of that hard reality.

I stand by my contention that you are an uninformed, liberal idiot, and like the adolescents whose deaths you deplore, are ruled by emotion rather than reason and reality.

None of your overwrought responses is ever going to change my assessment. And the more hysterics and disrespect for the many honorable veterans here at TAH that you unleash, the more you will prove me right.

Go ahead, lily–take good aim at your feet and fire away. If you need lessons, call Lars–he’s a skilled marksman in that regard.