Nothing To See Here. Move Along

| November 4, 2019

There is a possibility that Lt Col Vindman may face charges for appearing in the House’s circus. He could face courts martial. Here is the reason:

From the article:  When Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman appeared before members of Congress on Tuesday to discuss what he knew about President Trump’s conversations with Ukraine’s president, he was violating an order from his commander in chief not to cooperate with the House’s impeachment inquiry.

He is likely protected from legal ramifications from showing up to testify, a former Army judge advocate told Military Times on Thursday. But it remains to be seen whether what he told legislators could get him charged with a crime ? and, of course, how his choice to rebel against his White House chain-of-command will affect his career.

“It’s not far-fetched,” Sean Timmons, a managing partner at Tully Rinckey, said. “It’s a murky issue.”

It comes down to whether Trump’s order was lawful, he said. If Trump was trying to prevent Vindman from sharing sensitive information, it could be. If he was trying to prevent testimony, period, it’s not. – article

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  1. jim h says:

    nah, i dont think that’s a valid argument, based on one salient point: he did not dispute the veracity of the transcript. neither, mind you, did the other guy from the NSA, who said there was nothing wrong with the prez’s conversation.

    based solely on the fact that the transcript was legit, and in it there appears to be nothing inappropriate implied or threatened, LTC Vindman’s testimony would be a violation of the president’s order.

    i dont see this turning into a court martial, although i do think he should start seeking other vectors of civilian employment.

    as an aside, i find it humorous that the guy they trotted out in his blues to talk about orange man bad…is himself ukrainian born.

    • pigmy says:

      I suspect that guy hasn’t passed a real PT test in years. Just find who forged his records, and give him the boot…

  2. Thunderstixx says:

    Should stuff a DD up his ass and take his bennies for the remainder of his miserable ass kissing life just because he’s a sniveling, whiny little bitch that ignored an order from the CINC…
    I will bet dollars to donuts that Trump will have him D/C’d really soon.

  3. SgtBob says:

    New assignment: 4077th Mess Kit Repair Battalion on Diego Garcia.

  4. just lurkin says:

    Vindman was apparently motivated to come forward because he thought that President Trump was going to “subvert U.S. foreign policy”.

    Let that sink in for a moment.

    • crucible says:

      Yep-a dumbass Colonel doesn’t get that the President is the one that sets foreign policy and decides every bit of it.

      Foreign policy IS quid-pro-quo folks: US aid and treaties all have qualifications, dependencies and mandates that decide of what, how much and if that aid will be given at all. This isn’t new-its the very nature of it.

      But I don’t think this guy’s really dumb mind you-I think he’s a uniformed Chistine-Blasey-Ford partisan. And that’s worse.

    • UpNorth says:

      Taibbi left out an important qualifier:
      Vindman came forward because he was afraid that President Trump was going to “subvert” Obama’s foreign policy.

      • MI Ranger says:

        Yes, according to some documented case history LTC Vindman, was very cognizant of and regularly practiced the “Obama” era policy of apology. When participating in a joint Russian/US training exercise at JMRTC in Hohenfels, Germany he made so many people uncomfortable with his comments before the Russians that the Senior OC (LTC Hickman) had to pull him aside and verbally reprimand him.

  5. 5th/77th FA says:

    All of this crap we have seen/heard in the past 3 years are directly related to the fact of the Bitch of Benghazi ol’ Skankapotomus dasHildabeast McPantsuit didn’t get her turn. She is an evil bitch backed by people that would destroy this Republic to maintain their grip on power. I will repeat my comment from when this tool of an “officer” FIRST showed up on these pages. daTrumpster should have completely cleaned house of anyone left over from the previous administration or had any ties of prior work in the CIA, NSC. Whether or not the “officer” is in violation of UCMJ or not is immaterial. His career is toast. Maybe Fauxahantous will hire him. Or Bernie?

    The Deep State is real. The MIC is real. Fake news is real. More bullsh^t to keep people’s attention away from the real enemies of our Country. Politicians on both sides of the aisle.


  6. Anonymous says:

    Fatbody still turned up in ASU with service cap to enhance he weak-ass leftist BS argument… OTH separation.

  7. A Proud Infidel®™ says:

    Not only did he show up in ASU’s to bray to the press, he did so with a 24K dicksucker’s grin like he wa about to go get a Platinum Package at Brucie’s Bath House (Entrance in the Rear).

  8. A fact more than a few seem to have forgotten …

    Obama converted a lot of ‘appointed’ government positions to unionized ‘civil service’.

    —–> Trump can’t get rid of them. Takes an ‘Act of Congress’ to fire them.

    He’s stuck with outlasting them. No other real ‘civil’ choice.

    • Poetrooper says:

      If Obama converted them by executive order, can’t trump countermand the order?

      • USMC Steve says:

        Yes, he can as a matter of fact. Executive orders have no force of law, and are only binding on federal agencies and personnel. And Trump can shitcan any of them that he wants. He has done so to a bunch of them already.

      • just lurkin says:

        Trump can issue EOs. That is until a judge decides that those fall under his or her purview and must be reversed.

        Remember, this is the same thing that happened when California passed immigration control and had a referendum against gay marriage. Suddenly a judge ruled those decisions were unconstitutional and they had to go.

        Why it is that Republican administrations have to worry about what judges in Hawaii say about the law, but Democrat administrations never concern themselves about what a judge in Arkansas or Alabama has to say is never really explained.

        • 11B-Mailclerk says:

          I predict that in Trump’s 2nd term he will be a bit more … determined to fire the mutinous swine infesting the bureaucracy.

          In job lots.

          I will also predict he will give Jackson’s reply occasionally to judges below SCOTUS who deny him revoking what his predecessor wrought with EOs.

          He is gonna go “chain saw mode” in the game of Doom: swampmonsters

          • David says:

            I once read that Teddy Roosevelt decided Civil Service was bloated and fired near half of them. Somehow the country kept running.

            • 11B-Mailclerk says:

              This time, some may have to be fired by squad.

              • timactual says:

                Rope would be better. More expensive initially, perhaps, but cheaper in the quantities needed. Also organic and recyclable. And no harsh noises to upset the precious beasties.

  9. Ret_25X says:

    While it may or may not be a chargeable offense. Officers may be made to appear before a “show cause” board for violations of ethical behaviors or for behavior that breaks down good order and discipline.

    His peers may be…less impressed…than Schiff with this stunt…

    I’ve seen COLs show caused for far less…

    • SFC D says:

      Any leadership position this LTC may have desired to assume has pretty much been locked away from him. I see a quick, quiet retirement in his future, followed by tenure at CNN as a “Ukraine expert”.

      • A Proud Infidel®™ says:

        I truly pity any and every Soldier who was cursed with being one of Vindman’s Subordinates, fa’kheem!

      • Sj says:

        Wonder if he screend for O5 command? Be curious to see what his assignment record looks like. Highly decorated? Looks like end of tour stuff except for the PH.

        • timactual says:

          ” Be curious to see what his assignment record looks like”

          Me too. No Bn. command as far as I could tell, no mention of a Co. command that I saw, either. He’s got 20 years, sounds like he is a Foreign Area Officer(?). I’d say he has peaked already and wants to go out with a bang and get a good start on that second career as a media “expert”. He has to compete with all those admirals and generals, after all, and this incident might just be what he needs to compete in those rarefied heights.

          Yes, I am a cynic.

  10. Sparks says:

    Someone’s not going to see a Bird in their future.

    • 11B-Mailclerk says:

      Well, he may get the “Soldier’s Hand” version of The Bird.

      Some folks are “triggered” by applause, thus request “Jazz hands” or “up twinkles” BS. My response? The classic “Soldier’s hand” finger or pair as appropriate.

  11. Retired NFO says:

    Not mentioned is the possibility of unauthorized disclosure of classified information. Dept of Army should investigate that also.Do not let him retire before all investigations are completed.

  12. Calvin says:

    A friend and I do not remember LTC Vindman in 1/25 ID during 2004-2005. And we were officers.

    Plus when we looked at his awards, something seemed off. Look at the 2016 photo from NY Times and compare it to his testimony. Is he wearing more?

  13. Calvin says:

    Also there was only one casualty (I remember, not everyone dies in an IED attack) from Fort Lewis on 11 Oct 2004. That soldier was in 1/14th Cav BN (3/25 ID – aka SBCT). He would have been an O2 (or maybe even an O3) If he was in this attack, then he would have been in 3/25 ID and not 1/25 ID which he would have been, if he ‘continued on’. He would have been in 2/14 CAV as well. If this was the IED attack he was in. Also, the 1/25th Brigade CDR Col Brown, would have given him at least a Bronze Star… he doesn’t have one of these.

    Something is not adding up with this guy.