Joe Carollo – Official Military Records – Update

| August 27, 2019

You may recall our previous post about Joe Carollo, who had his military career in question by several, including a reporter.

Leaving nothing to chance or speculation, you now get to see for yourself…

 

Seems like his fan club is growing.

DON’T PISS OFF THE U.S. MARINES: NEW INFORMATION INDICATES THAT COMMISSIONER “COMEMEIRDA” CAROLLO CAN’T REALLY CLAIM TO HAVE BEEN IN ANY KIND OF U.S. MARINE RESERVES

In response to my story this morning I got a call from a retired Marine whose been following the Carollo story to inform me that in addition to the document I posted there was a second document that provided more information on Carollo’s activities.

That document below, reveals that In October of 1973 Carollo signed up to go to Officer Candidate School at Quantico, Virginia. That is the 2nd line where it says ROCAU, OCS. The first line just identifies the recruitment office where he signed up.

For whatever reason, Carollo decided not to go, and that’s why he was discharged: Line three. Volunteering through an ROTC or ROCA are supposedly one of the few ways that someone can back out of signing up to join the Marines.

The notion that he could turn what was essentually a paper shuffle into his having served in the Inactive Marine Reserves, is the kind of claim that pisses real Marines off.  He was never a U. S. Marine, active, or inactive!

The inactive status was solely a bureaucratic way to list him in the paperwork, and any decision by him to identify himself as a member of the Inactive Marine Reserves as a way to indicate that he was somehow actually part of the U.S. Marines at any time is not only innacurate, but bullshit!

That’s the real deal, Lucile!

 

Source The Cresprogram Newsletter

Category: Marine Corps, Politics

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Jeff LPH 3, 63-66

He’s legit.

Hondo

From his record of assignments, it appears that Carollo attempted USMC Reserve OCS – and either failed out or was thrown out, leaving immediately without any military obligation. It also seems he spent zero time on active duty, since all of his time is indicated as being on Inactive Reserve status.

Barring a medical discharge following a legit entry (e.g., not a fraudulent enlistment due to concealing a preexisting and disqualifying medical condition), I’m not sure I consider someone who boloed a reserve OCS in any service and who was released from all military committments immediately to be a “Veteran” of anything. A wannabe who had the guts to try? Yes. But a veteran? Um, no.

YMMV.

Club Manager, USA ret.

Looks like he may have signed up while still in high school then when it came time to go on AD for Boot Camp got cold feet. Maybe a medical problem arose or learning he had to do everything with two road guards and someone to call Cadence turned him off. Seems to me, and I am not trying to be cute here, if this guy was discharged without ever being on active duty, he is not a Marine Corp veteran. He may qualify for “Temporary Marine Corp Wannabe”.

Thunderstixx

He got the USMC Chicken Shit disease….
Of which there is no cure and is also known to cause other latent symptoms known to other incidents of the dreaded Chicken Shit Disease with symptoms for USAF, US Army, US NAVY and USCG variants.
Those latent symptoms include the following but not limited to: immediate hero proclamations, inability to perform pre flights on aircraft, imagination of derring do exploits, Sekret Skwirrell proclamations, narcissistic personality disorder with visions of grandeur and a host of other symptoms known to cause hallucinations of forays into foreign countries for assassination of foreign leaders.
Be careful with this guy, with that much training he is truly a dangerous man and must be given clear passage

cc senor

“Joe, however, seems reluctant to talk about his time in the military.”

I can understand that! Hard to have much to brag about with just nine months or so in the reserves. Did they even issue him uniforms?

rgr769

That would likely be because he never was “in the military.”

3/10/MED/b

Take it easy, people. Joe did his 9 months. I’m sure there was some combat time, as well as OCS. He is a public servant, after all.

Dave Hardin

Joe Carollo can kiss my actual Marine Corps ass.

Recognizing him for his service is like honoring Hillary for being under sniper fire.

Phuck ewe Joey

ninja

“Recognizing him for his service is like honoring Hillary for being under sniper fire”.

This NEVER gets old:

Ex-PH2

That pooch that likes to hang out with the Korean SOF guys has more AD time than this guy does. She even knows how to salute, fer Pete’s sake!

Of course, he doesn’t want to talk about his ‘time in the Marines’. He doesn’t really have anything to talk about.

Daisy Cutter

“my actual Marine Corps ass”

I would suspect that if people were to be kissing asses, it would be important to them to know they are kissing an authentic Marine Corps ass.

cc senor

Well, I’m glad we cleared that up.

Sarge

I went to Devil Pups at Camp Pendleton bakc in 84. Does that make me more a Marine than him?

USAFRetired

I was in Boy Scout Troop 253 Parris Island SC from Tenderfoot through Life Scout doe that give me more time in the Corps than he has?

Roh-Dog

“Inactive”, just like half of his two brain cells.
Time to come clean, let the world know that you tired, it wasn’t your cup o’ tea, then shut up.

Roh-Dog

^tried, both work and the sentiment stands!

OldManchu

Attention Marines!

I have a question. If a man, say “Bill”, was going to college. And he attended a Marine (forgive my lack of nomenclature) officer course or some pre-course, then finished college, and at that time had to paint or get off the fence (enlist), but didn’t…… is Bill a Marine? I apologize that I don’t know the name of the officer course. Would it be the commissioned officer version of boot camp? How would he be able to say “no thanks” after graduating college and not serve.

I assume if he went through a course that would have him earn his globe and anchor, then he couldn’t just check out after college. If it was a pre-selection type training, would that make him a Marine if he went on to not enlist after all?

Dave Hardin

If they complete Officer Candidate School or Marine Corps Recruit Training and earn their Eagle Globe and Anchor … they are Marines.

Otherwise, they are just useless civilian grabasstic clusterphucks who have no real purpose for living.

Some Marines may feel stonger about the issue but I have mellowed in old age.

OldManchu

Lol. Mellow I can tell.

Am I correct in assuming that OCS would be ONLY after graduating college? Not during…. say after freshman year, sophomore year, etc.?

Me thinks my little friend is an imposter.

OldManchu

Impostor. Fixed it before Lars arrives.

Some Guy

I don’t know how it was back then, but as recently as 2010, ROTC cadets completed OCS in the summer between Junior and Senior year or after graduation, if they bolo’d the first try and were lucky enough to get a second shot.

OldManchu

Thanks.

If they took it between junior and senior year and passed….

1. Globe and Anchor?
2. Would they have had reserve or active commitment (swearing in) prior to starting OCS?

Comm Center Rat

Joe was a “part-time patriot” who put the “weekend” in “weekend warrior.” He never earned the EGA, was never a Marine, and is not a Veteran.

Ex-PH2

If you spell that “weak end”, I will agree with you.

5th/77th FA

As I commented when this FIRST hit the news here, “I’ll be interested to see his military records.”

Not much of a military record to see, is it? Think I just go with my gut feeling here and side with Claw and Dave Hardin.

F’ing lying POS. Hope this get sent out to the voters in Miami. Bitch lied about his “service”. Wonder what else he lied about? Some Google publicity coming your way Joseph Xavier Carollo. Enjoy!!!!!!!

5th/77th FA

Hondo not Claw. Me another Cuppa. And I called myself proofreading the damn thing. Gonna go take a nap now.

Ex-PH2

Hondo never Claw. Claw not like Hondo. Hondo not like Claw. Hondo Claw not same same, not each like other.

(Hey, speaking gibberish is fun!)

5th/77th FA

Spartacus IS Hondo.

Hondo

Hondo like Claw, like brother.

Hondo not like any LSoS.

Hondo not like Carollo. You guess why.

rgr1480

Huh-huh, naw, Hondo straight.

Jon

Another lying F*****g Politician snake in the grass, D*** licking wannabe moron.

Graybeard

The you go repeating yourself.

Bob Drennan

I have a Leatherman with more time in then him (all of it active) and it made 2 deployments.

Just Lurkin

LOL-yeah I was issued a cool spring knife that I carried through at least two deployments. I need to figure out what I did with it.

rgr1480

The orange type with additional shroud cutter? Still have mine.

https://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/catalog/30720-camillus-mc1-orange-paratrooper-knife

rgr769

We had them in the 509th in the arms room. Had to account for them every time there was an inventory. There was no way they were ever going to be issued to anyone in peace time.

rgr1480

I think I got mine at NTC back when it was the last US Army outpost in the West (^_^)

As I recall, there was a crate full that was not on inventory and the PBO needed to get rid of them. But that was 35 years ago and I don’t clearly remember. I just remember they each were wrapped in something like thin tinfoil and came in a small cardboard box.

Claw

MC-1 Paratrooper Knife:

Original FSN 5110-163-2541 – Canceled, replaced by FSN/NSN 5110-00-526-8740, new Model Number M724, no longer orange,comes in cammo colors now./smile

3/10/MED/b

I still have the Leatherman I bought in ’91. Always damn useful, especially on stringed instruments where nothing else seems to work.

Jay

One has to wonder how many times he stepped on is dick to be in Quantico for 9 months and get pushed as a Pvt. Where’s Paul Harvey when we need him?

Hack Stone

Paul Harvey was another “newsman” Who never completed his military obligation. Hack read that he washed out of flight school, instead of following the path of other failures into the Enlisted side, he bitched and moaned his way out of serving. In WWII. Now you know the rest of the effing story.

ninja

Am scratching my head on this one. Carollo was born in 1955, which means he graduated from High School in 1973. In this May 2000 article stated that in October 1973, the same month and year that he “joined” the USMC Reserves, Carollo was hired as a Public Service Officer: https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/the-return-of-loco-joe-6355694 “In 1973, at age eighteen, Carollo was anxious to get into public service; he applied to become a firefighter, a corrections officer, and a police officer. The cops hired him as a public service officer [PSO] in October of that year but soon determined he was a less-than-stellar employee, according to personnel records. “Officer Carollo’s overall performance is satisfactory. He could improve his standing by using better police practices and procedures when confronting the public,” wrote J.B. Hartley, Carollo’s field training officer, in September 1975.” So here is my question since I have no clue about the USMC Reserve OCS program in 1973. How DID he manage to get an OCS slot without a college education? In the US Army, there is a “College-OPT” OCS program, i.e. if one wants to join the Army with the intent of becoming a US Army Officer and has either a 2 year or 4 year degree, they can apply (and have to be selected) to join the Army as an E3/PFC, successfully complete Basic Training, then go to OCS at Fort Benning. That individual is obligated to give 3 years of active service, 3 years of reserve time. If that person fails OCS, they still have to serve their time in the US Army, unless it is for a medical discharge, i.e. they cannot physically continue as a Soldier. If seems as if 9-11 started a “trend”. All of the sudden, folks out of the woodwork started coming out about being in the Military, about being a Veteran, etc. etc. Being a Veteran became “The Flavor of the Month”. It became “cool” to be a Veteran. And some folks took advantage of that for monetary gain or political gain or simply seeking fame. We see it here on a daily basis. Am… Read more »

Mick

“So here is my question since I have no clue about the USMC Reserve OCS program in 1973.

How DID he manage to get an OCS slot without a college education?”

As noted in the update above, he most likely signed up for the Marine Corps Platoon Leaders Class (PLC) program in 1973, and then DOR’ed from the PLC program in 1974 without ever having gone to USMC OCS in Quantico, VA on active duty for training.

In the PLC program, one could sign up as an 18 year-old freshman while in college, and then attend the 6 week PLC Juniors Course at USMC OCS in Quantico, VA during the summer between freshman and sophomore years. One would then go back to college for the sophomore and junior years, and then return to USMC OCS for the 6 week PLC Seniors Course between junior and senior years. Then it would be back to college for the senior year. Upon graduation from college, one could then request/accept a USMCR commission as a 2ndLt and then be ordered to active duty and sent to Quantico for 6 months at The Basic School (TBS). After graduating from TBS, 2ndLts went to their specific MOS training and then remained on active duty to serve out their initial active duty service obligations out in the Fleet Marine Force (FMF). USMCR officers could then compete for regular USMC commissions through an augmentation process after receiving a certain number of “observed” Fitness Reports. If USMCR officers didn’t augment, or if they chose to leave active duty after they had served their initial active duty service obligation, they could then move on to serve in the Marine Corps Reserve.

*If Forest Green is up on the TAH net today, please pile on here with any additional info.

Forest Green

OK, Carollo’s 118 (Record of Service) is a 1962 revision, so you would have to look at a 1960s Personnel Manual to understand what is going on with his record. There would be much info in the manual (plus Bulletins, ALMARS, MARADMINs, etc) that would not reflect on his 118.

I checked my 118 (Chronological Record) of 1974 vintage and there is A LOT more information about what is going on with me. As noted, it says I have Joined the PLC program, MCCDC, Quatico, joined for ACDUTRA, then back to the ROCA, etc, etc, etc. Much more detailed than the 62 version.

MY GUESS is that this Carollo character went to college and signed up for PLCs (although not specified) in October of 73 and was in a “delayed” status until the following summer July 74. Much like I did when I signed up in April 76; was joined to ROCAU Quantico until I was joined for ACDUTRA in July 76, etc, etc.

HOWEVER, Carollo either decided not to execute come time to go in July 74, or there was a reduction in PLC slots which might have bumped him off the ship list. It was the end of “The Viet Nam” after all and quotas may have been reduced. I had a friend in college who ended up waiting a year for a PLC slot because his OSO lost some slots for his fiscal year. My friend was first on the quota list for the next fiscal year.

Carollo MIGHT have lost his quota and then decided not to go the next year. MY GUESS IS: he signed up for OCS as some avoidance mechanism for the draft and then dropped the program when the draft ended. When did the draft end? Too lazy to look.

IN ANY CASE, Carollo was NEVER joined to ACDUTRA and therefore NEVER served a day in service and is NOT a veteran of ANY kind. PHONY!!!

Forest Green

Forgot, he may have dropped out of college after a year and left the program by default. No obligation incurred unless you take the stipend.

Forest Green

Carollo was NOT a draft scammer. Ended 73.

Forest Green

Some background on USMC OCS.

-At the time, ALL Marine officers took a Reserve commission except USNA and some NROTC grads. I’m pretty sure Army was the same or at least similar.
-OCS was the source for more than 75% of Marine Commissioned officers at the time.
-OCS is the overarching institution which includes, OCC (college graduates), PLC (attending college), and several other programs (ECEP, MECEP, Bulldog program).

ninja

Am scratching my head on this one. Carollo was born in 1955, which means he graduated from High School in 1973. In this May 2000 article stated that in October 1973, the same month and year that he “joined” the USMC Reserves, Carollo was hired as a Public Service Officer: https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/the-return-of-loco-joe-6355694 “In 1973, at age eighteen, Carollo was anxious to get into public service; he applied to become a firefighter, a corrections officer, and a police officer. The cops hired him as a public service officer [PSO] in October of that year but soon determined he was a less-than-stellar employee, according to personnel records. “Officer Carollo’s overall performance is satisfactory. He could improve his standing by using better police practices and procedures when confronting the public,” wrote J.B. Hartley, Carollo’s field training officer, in September 1975.” So here is my question since I have no clue about the USMC Reserve OCS program in 1973. How DID he manage to get an OCS slot without a college education? In the US Army, there is a “College-OPT” OCS program, i.e. if one wants to join the Army with the intent of becoming a US Army Officer and has either a 2 year or 4 year degree, they can apply (and have to be selected) to join the Army as an E3/PFC, successfully complete Basic Training, then go to OCS at Fort Benning. That individual is obligated to give 3 years of active service, 3 years of reserve time. If that person fails OCS, they still have to serve their time in the US Army, unless it is for a medical discharge, i.e. they cannot physically continue as a Soldier. If seems as if 9-11 started a “trend”. All of the sudden, folks out of the woodwork started coming out about being in the Military, about being a Veteran, etc. etc. Being a Veteran became “The Flavor of the Month”. It became “cool” to be a Veteran. And some folks took advantage of that for monetary gain or political gain or simply seeking fame. We see it here on a daily basis. Am… Read more »

O-4E

The Army’s “College Option OCS enlistment” requires a 4 year degree. The days of having 2 or 3 years of college have been gone a few decades now.

I was picked up for OCS back in 94 with a 2 year degree (as a Staff Sergeant at Hood). Luckily I also got selected for Green-to-Gold which I took and ran with.

My son is in Officer Basic Course as we speak having completed basic and OCS back to back at Benning after enlisting in the OCS enlistment option.

Comm Center Rat

FWIW I remember during the surges in Iraq and AFG the Army commissioned some enlisted Soldiers who had at least 90 credit hours of college coursework completed. In order to be promoted to Captain an earned bachelor’s degree was a requirement. Due to the high op tempo some couldn’t finish the degree and they reverted back to enlisted status.

I also knew a Major who spent 14 years in the IRR then was recalled to active duty for an OIF surge deployment. Needless to say, he never formally resigned his commission when he initially left active duty and was surprised as hell when Uncle Sam reached out to help him become an “Army of One.”

Perry Gaskill

Things were different during the Viet Nam era. Probably the most notorious non-college Army OCS graduate at the time was Lieutenant William Calley who was involved in the My Lai Massacre. Calley was commissioned in late 1967. Previously, he had flunked out of Palm Beach Junior College after attending for about a year.

Calley had then knocked around working at odd jobs before enlisting and going through basic and AIT to be a company clerk. He was apparently accepted into infantry OCS based on aptitude tests.

Calley was also from Miami.

Ex-PH2

Well, by comparison, my brother got his draft notice, and went into the Army, spent a year at Ft. Diz, and then went into the Reserves. He did the weekend warrior thing while his wife was finishing her BA and after that until his six years were up. He was also working full-time. No grandstanding there.

So this Carollo twit couldn’t even complete a few months of training time, but wants to puff himself off as something he’s not. AT his age, he should know better.

rgr769

Back in this time period the Marines had a program for college students called the PLC (Platoon Leader Course). The accepted students went to training for two summers before they graduated. Upon graduation they were commissioned as Reserve 2LT’s. Maybe our hero here falsely represented he was in college and never went to Quantico for training and they took almost two years to finally do the paperwork to boot him.

Mike

Even back in ’79, OCS “college options” required a 4 year degree. At that time, active duty enlisted soldiers with 60 semester hours or more could apply, but the selection rate wasn’t high. Two qualifying test, the OCT (officer candidate test) and the OQI (officer qualification inventory). The latter was a psuedo-psych exam. “On a crisp fall day, I would rather: a) play football. B) Walk in the woods, or C) pick flowers.” Actual question, not hard to divine what the powers that be were looking for, and you still had folks bolo it. I knocked out my A.S. at night, thanks mostly to CLEP and DANTES test credits and ended up the youngest guy in my OCS class at age 20. College option attrition rate was high by comparison to enlisted troops with an MOS.

rgr769

Of course he isn’t a military veteran any more than Hillary is because (purportedly) she talked to a Marine recruiter. He is just a low speed POSer.

Helpful Medal

I just want to say I’m impressed that there’s even a record of his time in Marine OCS since he didn’t even get a DD Form 214 for it. I would have thought the Manpower Office would come back with no records.

Dave Hardin

It seems Joey leaves a little shit stain everywhere he goes.

Daisy Cutter

That’s the burning question here – is he part of the NDSM brotherhood?

Comm Center Rat

No, Joe does not qualify for the NDSM because he didn’t serve on active duty during those “Vietnam times.” If he were an activated Reservist and served more than 89 days on active duty he would have qualified.

We proud, we many can breathe a little easier knowing this part-time patriot is not a member of our coveted brotherhood of awardees.

Graybeard

Joe “Fredo” Carollo is not a Marine.
Joe “Fredo” Carollo is not a veteran.
Joe “Fredo” Carollo is not trustworthy.
Joe “Fredo” Carollo is not brave.
Joe “Fredo” Carollo is not honorable.
Joe “Fredo” Carollo is not successful.
Joe “Fredo” Carollo is not to be around women, children, or small animals.
Joe “Fredo” Carollo is not going to like his Gooooogle fame.
Joe “Fredo” Carollo is a jerk.
Joe “Fredo” Carollo is a twit.
Joe “Fredo” Carollo is a peabrain.
Joe “Fredo” Carollo is in need of some spine.

Dave Hardin

Who you calling Fredo?

Graybeard

>snerk<

^^That^^ Fredo better never let me catch him with a Texas anything on his carcass, or he’ll find out what kind of grief an old Tejano can dish out to a Dim Yankee.

rgr1480

“…Made in New York City?!!”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX2AyjVrrck

“…git a rope.”

USMCMSgt (Ret)

Perhaps this fuckstick “identifies” as a Marine.

That’s the go-to defense nowadays, I understand.

No, he never was a Marine and never will be.

He’s just another self-centered lying POS politician.

Perry Gaskill

Carollo’s situation seems to have gone from merely strange into an advanced state of weird that TAH has never seen before. A surprise to me is also that a DD-214 even exists for a guy who spent 10 months in an apparently delayed-entry limbo. Those who followed our last episode of the Carollo saga might remember that the major smoking gun in this is a video evidently taped at the Miami Riverside Center. The event was to honor veterans. In it, City Manager Emilio Gonzalez had introduced Carollo to speak and noted that Carollo was both former law enforcement and a former Marine. Which Carollo corrects by saying he was inactive reserve: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igs1taYfIsM&feature=youtu.be It might be relevant to point out that the Miami City Manager serves at the discretion of the Miami City Commission which includes Carollo as a commissioner. Without putting too fine a point on it, what Gonzalez is doing while making the introduction is sucking up to the boss. An additional question might be: What else was Carollo supposed to say given the circumstances? Any attempt to clarify why Carollo spent 10 months, starting in late 1973, in a holding pattern before not formally joining the Marine Corps Reserve is likely to be a matter of speculation. There could be one or more factors including a long waiting list for an OCS slot, mediocre grades in high school, and the fact he was born in Cuba which might have somehow blown the chances of a security clearance. Since Carollo had also apparently joined up with the Miami PD as a trainee public service officer in the same time frame, the Marine Corps might have run a background check and taken into consideration his Miami PD performance to determine if he should make the OCS cut. I’d venture that Carollo himself might not even know why he was bounced from OCS by the Marines. The Corps could have sent him a letter simply saying, “Sorry, hombre. No OCS with globe and anchor for you.” At that point, he might also have been offered the opportunity to be inducted… Read more »

Retired Grunt

I Can’t even put up the message I wanted to put up

3/10/MED/b

Hang in there, RG, c’mon back. Would like to hear what’s going on.

Anonymous

Douchebag he is, that’s for sure.

26Limabeans

Did he even get a haircut?

Hondo

I’m sure he did, somewhere along the line. But since his records say he never served on active duty, I’m fairly sure he never received the official, USMC-approved “Welcome to Boot, Recruit!” haircut. (smile)

A Proud Infidel®™️

Lying piece of shit.

Lthrnck1775

Someone better screencap his Twitter… awful lot of Marine stuff on it – for a guy that never served – that i’m SURE will disappear when this blows up in his face.

Charles

This all comes down to one “word”:

“FinAvg”

what does that mean”

Clearly he contracted for Officer Candidate
School.

Clearly he reported to Quantico, VA for said school on October 31, 1973. (The acronym “Jd” means “Joined,” as in “P[ermanent] C[hange] [of] S[tation].) Your branch may vary).

But then, on July 25, 1974 (nine months later) he was discharged for “FinAvg.”

So I’m stumped.

What does (did) “FinAvg” mean in 1974?

His Financial Average was unacceptable?

Really.

I can’t find that abbreviation / acronym in any google search.

I hesitate to speculate the “F” means “failure to ..” because that can be a plus or a minus for the Officer Candidate (such as “failure of candidate to wipe his arse”) as compared to “failure of the Marine Corps to have adult leadership”).

Any one?

FinAvg