Bon Voyage to Army Sailors? Belay That
LCM-8 boats, U.S. Army
Here’s Perry with another essay, this time looking into the Army’s Brown Water Fleet (the Army has littoral and inland waterways boats- who knew?) and weighs the impact of realigning this capability. I’ll let Perry take it from here:
Perry Gaskill
A TAH post from last month predicting the end of Army soldier-sailors apparently had some accuracy issues. Among those reporting that the Army would “divest a majority of its watercraft and maritime capability” was the usually reliable shipping blog gCaptain which apparently missed some detail:
“U.S. Army Maritime capabilities will be radically reduced this year as the service deactivates and divests itself of numerous vessels, watercraft equipment, watercraft systems, Soldiers, and Units.”gCaptain writer Michael Carr said.
Carr is a retired CWO who served as an Army Reserve mariner.
“My fear is the Army doesn’t understand what we have or what we’re getting rid of,”Carr said recently in a phone interview with Stars and Stripes..
“I am concerned the Army will have to respond to something in Southeast Asia or South America, somewhere with hostile shores or underdeveloped ports, and we will need this capability and we won’t have it.”
According to sources quoting both an Army memo and separate Power Point deck from last year, the actual reduction plans are to phase out only the Army Reserve component which falls under the larger Army Maritime umbrella. Current estimates are this would affect 27 Reserve boats out of a 105-vessel Army fleet. Most of the Reserve craft are apparently stationed near New Orleans, including some using civilian docks and moorings. Around 746 people would also be affected by the change.
Those boats getting scrubbed from inventory include the slow 73-foot LCM-8 “Mike” boats which date back to the late 1950s, and lack the capacity to carry larger tanks such as the M1A2 Abrams. Also tagged for reduction are the Army’s larger 174-foot Landing Craft Utility (LCU)boats which will be reduced by 18 from a current count of 35.
This may not be an entirely bad idea. As any owner of a wooden sailboat could probably tell you, restoration and routine maintenance of aging vessels can be a lot like building a bonfire out of $100 bills. Some estimates are that the Mike boats are currently costing the Army $600,000 per year in maintenance.
Nor is the decision to retire the LCMs a bolt from the blue. In late 2017, the Army awarded a $1 Billion contract to the Portland, Oregon based company Vigor for a prototype and construction of a faster next-generation 100-foot Maneuver Support Vessel (Light) or MSV(L) to replace the Mike boats. Vigor announced last week that it would be shifting production of the MSV(L) to a shipyard on the Columbia River near Vancouver, Washington where it plans to build as many as 36 of the new vessels by the year 2027.
Thanks, Perry. “A boat is a hole in the water into which one throws money” is just as true for the Army as anyone else.
Category: Big Army, Guest Post
I was always told that the Army actually has more boars than the Navy.
I wonder how this will impact the Ready Reserve Fleet on Oahu?
Ah, no! You got the quote wrong.
The Navy has more of everything.
Really they do!
What is the meaning of “boat?”
According the U.S. Naval Institute, a boat, generally speaking, is small enough to be carried aboard a larger vessel.
Being the Navy, there’s always an exception; submarines are referred to as boats as well.
So yes, using this criteria the Army may very well have more boats than the Navy, but not more submarines.
*grin*
we have moved Destroyers in larger ships.
But I do not think we call Destroyers “boats”.
If you’re referring to transporting USS Cole after the bombing in Yemen, that was not standard procedures, by a long shot.
But it is still noteworthy that Destroyers can be brought aboard ships and moved. If a future war sees frequent damage to such ships, we will do so again.
Hm. What civilian use would there be for a modular vessel capable of dry-docking larger capital ships? Superfreighter? Tanker? Neat way to have capability with lowered costs.
Sea Dogs!
Dog Fish!
The word littoral always makes me chuckle.
We small time sailors joke that BOAT stands for Break Out Another Thousand…and that’s for a simple sailboat with a 2 cylinder diesel engine.
Large motor yachts here can accrue some awful repair bills…I spoke with one poor fellow at the Marina who bumped into some rocks in Long Island Sound’s Thimble Island area…his 45 foot boat with two engines was looking at over $21,000 in repairs due to engine, transmission, and shaft damage from that contact. I could re-power my entire sailboat for less than half that cost. I can only imagine what a 60 year old power boat consumes in terms of resources for the Army.
It makes sense to retire an aging fleet of limited value, if you can’t move the current gear that boat is more anchor than transport platform.
In 1989 I was a deckhand on a USS Ogden Navy LCM (leased to Global/Phillips Carter) during the Valdez oil spill cleanup @Prince William Sound. Qty-2 Detroit 12V71 engines in those little boats made entirely out of 1/4″ steel plate. The air start system was loads of fun. Expensive? Heck, I couldn’t afford the fuel bill to keep those 24 cylinders fed.
We sail to block island our sailboat which sleeps 6 really friendly people in relative comfort…we’re thinking of looking for a slightly larger boat where we get a couple of staterooms beyond a V berth and main salon sleeping area, even so with a sailboat we spent less than $15 on fuel to block island and at $45 a night on a mooring ball less than $300 for a week’s stay. Cooked on our grill on the back of the boat every night, drank some adult beverages and generally just loved the sights and sounds of Block Island for next to nothing which suits my old school fiscally conservative self rather nicely.
We met friends out there who’d come from about the same distance in their power boat, a rather nice 32 foot twin engine affair with all the amenities. He spent more on fuel in one direction than I spent on fuel and mooring combined…he got there in about three hours compared to my 7 hours, but our views were the same once we got there.
The older I get it’s often more about the journey than the ultimate destination. Instead of the dull, constant drone of the engine we heard nothing but the water along the hull and the sounds of the ocean.
Sailing, the art of going nowhere slowly at great expense.
After that initial investment, and the recurring marina fees it’s not that bad…
We’re at a great marina in Connecticut that costs less for six months of on the water time than a lot of folks spend on a week’s family vacation. It’s all in how you amortize this stuff in your head…
It’s still cheaper than powerboating, and less damaging to the environment…at least that’s the lie I tell myself while I’m out pulling up the main and unfurling the jib!!
What, no spinnaker?
*grin*
Used to race here on the Patuxent. I was either deck or a grinder depending how many crew showed up.
No spinnaker, we have a roller furling 150% Genoa in place of a jib that drives us along rather nicely and requires zero effort to furl and unfurl beyond pulling some line…our boat is more comfort than racer…we gladly sacrifice speed for a bit more creature comfort.
That is the sail to have in the light and variable winds here on the Chesapeake. Easy to reef when things get a bit sporty-
is your lee rail awash yet?
VOV in late November 1988 this dumb hick from Texas was privileged to be crew on the maiden voyage/delivery of the Herreshoff Ketch TIOGA, owned and built by Ty Hack. Mr. Hack and I were the only ones aboard and took her from Camden, ME to a yacht club in Fairfield, CN. I will never forget the final day of the trip when we sailed past Block Island and into Long Island Sound … shook out all the reefs and let her kick up her heels for the first time ever. Good memories.
Back in the early 80s when I was in college I had a friend from Long Island whose parents owned a small boat that slept 4 or 6 people. Each summer they would motor over to Fire Island where they docked (moored?) the craft for the entire summer and hosted parties on the weekends. They would use the Patchogue ferry to get to and from Fire Island. Just after Labor Day his parents would motor back to Long Island and put the boat in storage for the winter.
That “boating” culture was never something I could understand or appreciate but I’m not nautically inclined.
Back in Okinawa we had a 30 ft Boston whaler and a 27 ft Proliner plus a load of zodiacs for maritime ops, mostly training and picking chutes from the water. We gave the Proliner to the 1st of the 1st SOF because theirs took a dump and was going to be down awhile. The Boston Whaler we stripped down, put in a new bigger fuel tank, Dual 150 HP Yamaha 2 strokes and console. It ran like a scalded dog.
I suspect that Whaler was a lot of fun to play with set up like that…when it comes to big power in the civilian boating world just bring money and you can get some amazing motors these days…
There’s a guy in the marina where I am who has 5-627s by Seven Marine on his boat the motors alone cost him almost half a million…and I can’t imagine what that thing has for a top end, or what fuel costs him he can probably make the trip that takes me 7 hours by sailboat in less than an hour…but that’s only a guess on my part…it might take him only 30 minutes…and a 100 gallons of fuel..
here’s a link to 7 marine and their cool motors…http://www.seven-marine.com/motors/
I thought this was an all-reserve MOS. The recruiter lied to me!!
If it floats,flies, or has wheels or tits, it’s not only gonna cost a buncha money, but will give you trouble.
And it’s cheaper to rent than to buy.
Stink potters versus rag haulers, an age old conflict. I would love to learn to sail having mastered power boating but alas, having learned a boat is a hole in the water into which one throws lots of money, if I get the nautical urge, I’ll take a ferry ride although one cabin cruiser in the lot at Little Rock Air Force Patch has caught my eye. Running a hydroplane boat my E-9 owned was probably the most fun.
Sail Army
A friend who had been in thre Army and stationed in Germany during the late 60s, early 70s said the Army put together a “re-up” commercial telling soldiers there was no need to get out and join the navy as they could go Army Navy and save all that trouble.
g-Captian, has been going further and further politicaly left, backing global climate change and being more SJW for the last couple of years.
It used to be a site where you could trust the info and was mostly without a political slant.
That’s changed.
And comments were removed.