Poe’s take on Politics and Honesty

| January 21, 2019

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Poe’s back, with blunt force honesty that will make you stop and think- which is why we need writers like Poe in the first place. So hang on-

There’s been a good deal of commentary on TAH lately regarding politics and whether it’s an appropriate topic for the site. For those of you who didn’t see it, I wrote a comment the other day with this quote from Jonn found in the ABOUT THISAINTHELL section on the main page. It’s likely that he wrote it as he was preparing TAH for launch so it should serve as a guideline to us.

We write about issues that matter to combat veterans. We’re known for our work in the Stolen Valor arena, but sometimes we talk about politics, most of us are supporters of Second Amendment rights and we talk about that.

Political discussion here, by necessity, involves politicians and by extension their unfortunate tendency to lie, inspiring comments that we citizens, by implication, are at fault for simply accepting such blatant dishonesty. Other comments advocate a strict observance of a code of brutal honesty; both provoked me to research the topic. Unsurprisingly I found that all societies and cultures lie as a matter of course for a multitude of reasons, some quite honorable such as to spare feelings or to comfort people. For example, even in the military where our academies’ honor codes demand a rigid adherence to honesty, combat commanders groomed by those institutions will write to the spouses or parents of a fallen member of their command that, “Your loved one died instantly and painlessly,” when in fact that young warrior may have died a long and agonizing death. If your homely teenage granddaughter asks, “Grandpa, am I pretty?” are you going to tell her no? Of course not; you’ll lie through your dentures telling her how pretty she is and you’ll feel rightfully proud for doing so. How many of us lie to the doctor about the true number of adult beverages we consume? How many have ever said, “But, but, I’ve only had a couple of beers, officer.” Never puffed up a résumé just a little? I’d wager that’s almost a 100% reality among folks who’ve had to write résumés to gain employment to support their families–a better résumé means a better job and groceries, nicer clothes and perhaps a bigger roof overhead, justifying such minor enhancements.

So lies are considered justifiable in all cultures if their potential for good outweighs the harm that hard, cold truth might bring. In the case of wars and armed conflict, we lie not only to our enemies but frequently to our own people and forces if it is to our tactical or strategic advantage to misinform and misdirect. We start our kids out in life lying to them about Santa Claus and flying reindeer, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy–all done for a good reason, to shelter them from reality and give their young lives pleasure, right? Such well-intentioned fibbing may not be without consequences. My own parents encouraged me in such beliefs beyond when my schoolmates had embraced the reality that parents are the source of all the lucre. When I realized how my folks had been misleading me, it frankly made me wonder what else they, my grandparents and other adults had been telling me that wasn’t so. It engendered a certain youthful skepticism that soon had me questioning that pulpit-pounding preacher who claimed to know intimate details of what occurred following death when he obviously hadn’t been there yet, as had no other supposed authorities on the topic. That suspicion has had lifelong consequences.

Getting back to politicians, they lie in different ways, some relatively harmless, others that can be devastating to their constituents. Exaggerated campaign promises are to be expected because, as others here have observed, pols have to appeal to more than just their core constituents to get elected. If they fail to keep such promises, it’s no surprise, with more disappointment than harm that results. Just as when politicians tell you they have your best interests at heart, it’s a relatively harmless untruth because you’d have to be weapons-grade stupid to believe them.

But when your president looks into a TV camera and tells you can keep your doctor and your health care premiums are going down by $2500 annually when he knows damned well the exact opposite is true, that is truly evil, political lying writ large, affecting personal relationships and imposing financial loss. And if that cool liar and his prevaricating party try to hide behind the “Done for the greater good” argument, the lie becomes even more pernicious because they well knew the harm their actions would cause the existing system, the very outcome they sought in their quest to first financially undermine and destabilize, then socialize our medical industry.

So I find myself in a quandary here, not agreeing with the hardened cynics who steadfastly believe that all politicians are evil, lying jerks but also finding fault with those hardcore advocates of absolute, “Damn the torpedoes” honesty at any cost. Tell you what–how about in the comments all of you tell me you absolutely agree with everything I’ve said here and that you definitely like this piece. You may be lying through your teeth but it sure will make poor Ol’ Poe feel ever so much better about his soapboxing.

Now there’s another example of justifiable lying…

Thanks, Poe. Some things to ponder over morning coffee.

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5th/77th FA

Ok Ol’ Poe, I agree with everything you’ve said here and I definitely liked this piece. And that, Sir, is neither a lie, damned lie, or statistic. I can relate to and have been in every situation you waxed so eloquently on.

You stay on your soapbox, I’ll bring you some refreshments

Ex-PH2

Prevarication to get what you want is nothing new. Have you never been faced down by a winsome 6-year-old who wants a cookie before dinner and you say ‘It will spoil your dinner’?

And then there was that thing back in Them There Good Old Days of Yore about turning off the lights to “save electricity”. I do not, to this day, know how you can ‘save electricity’ by turning off the lights so that you run into furniture on your way out of a room.

Nothing wrong with being a Practicing Skeptic. I’ve been following that path for a long time.

Keep it up, Poe.

JimmyB

Al, does this dress make my butt look big? No Peg, your butt makes the dress look big. Said only on TV!

Veritas Omnia Vincit

Well since we both agree the Democrats sold their collective souls and their little remaining collective integrity for the sake of the Cool Black Guy I suspect we’re agreeing about a lot of common concerns when it comes to dishonesty and honesty.

Of course with the current President it’s been entertaining watching his supporters ignore all manner of impropriety that would have made their heads explode had Obama been the perpetrator…I can only imagine the commentary if Obama had three wives, two of them immigrants and was a serial adulterer and publicly proclaimed those actions….some people lost their shit when Michelle Obama suggested that will all these fat ass kids healthier lunches might be an option…her choices sucked, but she wasn’t wrong…I walk around the mall these days and half these kids couldn’t outrun my old my ass without risk of a heart attack.

I’m perhaps more jaded than you when it comes to whether or not politicians are evil, I’m not thinking evil so much as selfish to the point of promising anything to maintain a seat of power. Far too many of them once they get into DC also think they’ve risen above the law, which is why so many “family values” candidates get caught playing footsie in airport bathrooms or getting their mistresses pregnant and then the same anti-abortion for you congressman is pushing that mistress to get an abortion to keep his life from getting complicated. So yeah, they’re maybe not evil but that’s hypocrisy on a rather grand, malevolent scale.

In any event it’s always a pleasure to read your words Poe, it always makes me think and consider my own thoughts on these issues and these days I believe that’s the best thing for all of us, to be challenged on our opinions and ideals to make sure they are worth defending and when thay are not admitting that one was wrong and considering how to change that.

BlueCord Dad

Regardless of party all politicians are poltroons….

streetsweeper

Some truism’s I live by:

The world is merely the stage, upon which we act out our lives.

Is less of a problem being poor, than dishonest.

There are two things in life that are certain. Death and taxes. One can cheat on both but, in the end they will come due.

Lead from the front, never the rear.

If your horse won’t stick its nose in the water, don’t drink from it.

If something feels wrong, it usually is.

Someone else’s truth may not be same as yours.

When you are hit with the unexpected, do not stand around slack-jawed. Face up to the facts, deal with them, and move on.

What you’ve said is highly accurate, Poe.

Perry Gaskill

Not to go all pointy-headed academic about it, but it seems to me a lot of the lies we tell ourselves as a society are based on a long tradition of parable and fable. They’re fictional stories with a moral lesson. In the case of Santa Claus, for example, we’re telling a kid that being good earns a reward, and being bad does not. Such a thing is also related to the more elaborate constructs of myth and legend we tell ourselves as adults. One of the problems with current politics is that it has become a sort of game of shoot the messenger, but with the twist that a political structure is trying to convey a message to an electorate for the purpose of power. The end game isn’t the truth, it’s to tell the electorate whatever the electorate wants to hear. Sometimes that might involve the truth, sometimes not. In the past, the news media was able to act as an escape valve for times when political falsehoods got out of control. News media outlets were also more likely then to compete fiercely with each other to expose liars and scoundrels among public officials. That role of the press changed both because of the internet causing failing business models, and because the election of Barack Obama meant the administration in the White House, because of racial issues, became mostly above reproach. Which has resulted in the press now circling the wagons in a common effort to destroy the current administration. All because Obama’s annointed successor, Hillary Clinton, didn’t win. A good recent example of this is last week’s Buzzfeed scandal in which two so-called journalists falsely claimed President Trump had ordered Michael Cohen to lie to Congress. What’s important isn’t so much that Buzzfeed got its facts wrong, it’s that most of the rest of the press was so desperate to believe what Buzzfeed had to say that they mindlessly repeated it endlessly. Never mind that one of the Buzzfeed reporters, Jason Leopold, is a well-known serial fabricator and liar from way back. What should also be of… Read more »

OC

“…..I promise, I’ll just put the tip in….”

HMCS(FMF) ret

“The check is in the mail…”

Drag Racing Maniac

Santa Claus isn’t real? Damn….

Slow Joe

I’ll tell why I like Poetrooper and I follow everything he writes.

He is one of the few that understand that this is not business as usual. The Democrat Party has been hijacked by the far left, and it has become an existential threat to America as founded.

We are on the brink of losing the cultural struggle for the heart of America. The left’s multi-decade plan to change America has come to fruition. They now control the educational system, the media, the gruberment bureaucracy, and the very language we use. We are to give up our hard earned freedoms and our economic successes to quietly recede into the pages of history as a failed experiment in liberty.

Graybeard

I’ll agree with you Poe, that not all politicians are black-hearted greedy knaves. Although they exist throughout all the shades of the political spectrum, and there may be a congregating effect among some of those shades.

Spreading disinformation among our enemies is just wisdom. You don’t tell the guy who is [seriously] out to kill you when you will be sitting on the throne with your pants down. To protect those one loves, telling something other than the truth to those who would do them harm is the honorable path.

I think we are at another of a long line of attacks on our freedoms, for there are always those who wish to enslave their fellow man. The socialists and many of the Democratic party are among those, but in subtle ways there are Republicans with the same inclinations.

We are very much in a time when people are surrendering freedoms to buy safety, and thereby endangering both. We need to keep the discussion going here, IMHO.