What If The Government Shut Down…
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…And No One Noticed?
Government shutdown set to drag on with no deal in sight
Federal workers woke up to to a partial government shutdown Saturday that could last through Christmas or even the New Year, according to multiple congressional sources, despite the appearance of progress towards a deal late Friday.
The gloomy outlook comes as one-quarter of the government entered shutdown mode at midnight, including nine Cabinet departments, several major agencies and roughly 800,000 federal workers who are impacted by the lapse in funding.
Trump canceled plans to fly to his Mar-A-Lago resort Saturday, with it unclear if or when the president will join his family in Florida for the holidays. But the Capitol was largely quiet, with no meetings among House and Senate leaders scheduled and most lawmakers gone.
“I don’t think we see anything major happening until after Christmas,” said one senior Republican aide. “Maybe on the 26th or 27th, we start seeing movement again.”
The onus, congressional aides in both parties said, is on the Senate to find a way forward. Republicans in the upper chamber need nine Democrats to clear the 60-vote threshold to re-open the government, so Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) — in tandem with Trump — would have to make some sort of deal.
Unless McConnell goes for the Nuclear Option, and passes the bill with a simple majority. That will be a tough sell among the Republican Senators, though, as several have stated they would vote against the rules change needed to invoke the option. If it did pass, it certainly would be used by the Dems when they get the upper hand some time in the future.
As I went out and about today, I noticed pretty heavy traffic for a weekend, and the parking lots were full at the retail stores- Christmas shopping no doubt. The traffic lights worked as usual, there were no uniforms in sight, and every one was pretty civil and considerate. Government shutdown? No sign that I saw.
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I went through a couple of government shutdowns as an Army civilian employee years ago. No big deal. Only key and essential come to work and some big shots get their feelings hurt when they are not deemed key and essential. I don’t think Social Security checks were delayed but after was all said and done, everyone was paid for the lost days. American needs the border wall because land mines are out of the question. We are either a county with defined borders or we are not. Time to quit cutting bait and go fishing.
That’s because Social Security and a few other programs are what’s called ‘mandatory’ or ‘non-discretionary spending’. The government is required by law to fund these things, and they do not require annual appropriation.
Most of these are entitlements, like Social Security, military and federal retirement, and Medicare and other welfare type social programs. They are essentially immune from a shutdown.
Defense expenditures are not. This year, luckily, the defense bill has already been passed, so DOd is not affected. However, in a typical shutdown, non-essential pax are sent home and essential pax are required to work with the potential of not being paid- military and civilian. Almost always, Congress passes a bill that pays everyone even if they didn’t work, but that is not necessarily the case. So, if a shutdown were to go too long, no one in DoD (or other federal agencies) would get a paycheck.
So, ironically, in a shutdown, all of the social programs are still funded while people working jobs are not. Also, many contractors continue to work because their money has already been spent. Congress, of course keeps getting paid.
Would the average person notice it? Probably no. I know in my workplace most of the civilians go home and the military guys left over have their workload doubled for the duration. Sucks for them.
Lots of annoying things like national parks, etc., are shut down, and of course federal law enforcement has to work without pay and no support staff.
I know there is little sympathy on this board for government workers, but they are regular people, just like anyone else. Virtually everyone I work with is retired military and passionate about supporting the troops and apply their expertise to do so on a daily basis.
A government shutdown should come with a forfeiture of Congressional salaries. If they want to get paid, they can do their goddamned jobs.
I think that would fly just fine with America.
Married to an “essential federal employee” and both of us are for the shutdown. I agree with a forfeiture of Congressional salaries.
I don’t know what a congressional work week is now, but in 2001 the congress had “138 legislative work days”, or 3 days a week.
Michael Reagon tweeted Trump
“Hey @POTUS in 1986 my father made a deal with the Democrats Amnesty for Border Security my father is still waiting.U have no choice its now or never..#BuildTheWallNow”
I do like the sound of legislation authored by Ted Cruz (The WALL Act) to use the $14 billion seized from El Chapo to fund the wall. It’s a start.
I might add, my “essential federal employee spouse” is a naturalized American citizen. It took me a year to get her visa.
Seems to me they closed the Commissary at Little Rock Air Force patch. Given the way DeCA is trading up customers by subtly changing what they stock, it will be just a matter of time that people go to Sam’s Club for their planned purchases.
Club Manager:
What do you mean by “Given the way DeCA is trading up customers by subtly changing what they stock …”
Reddevil I am so glad you cleared up one thing for me as to welfare. Lets see, when I turned 15 they made me get a social security number and card so that I would pay into a fund known as social security tax that was a supposed retirement fund. In reality it was another source of income for the Govt to raid for their own purpose such as pay raises and additional staffing and pet projects as well as fund welfare for others that have never paid into the system Now after these few months I have worked and retired and am on social security you tell me that I am living on welfare. I also belong to the VA due to stupidity a couple of weeks ago so now I suppose that is also welfare in your mind. Seems a huge waste that a few weeks ago we put 58,000 in the ground so you can tell the world that I and those like me are now just lowly welfare people. Must be in the same mind as Lars.
You are mis-reading my post. didn’t call Social Security or VA disability welfare, I called them entitlements. You are entitled to your benefits, period. That’s how congress views them and how those programs are funded. SNAP, TANF are treated the same way. That’s the law. It’s not a value judgement.
Whether or not the government properly handles that money is a different question.
My comment about people working is that in a shutdown, people will either be put it of work or asked to work,without pay,
Nor do I think that people on welfare are lowly- like any large group, some people are doing the best they can, while others are gaming the system.
The majority of American do not want the wall.
The overwhelming majority of Americans don’t want a shutdown over it.
It may be popular among Trump’s base but this shutdown if going to hurt the GOP and it will cause more republicans to distance themselves publicly from Trump.
The real disaster is that Trump’s idiotic hardball tactics over DACA cost him his best bargaining chip. Dems were willing to compromise for more than $5B for the wall over DACA.
They are willing to agree to $1.6B. Still.
But that is it.
Trump has publicly owned this shutdown and staked his reputation as a leader in getting the wall and now feels he can’t compromise unless he gets it.
And he did it at a time when he was already causing controversy and questions by unilaterally acquiescing to Turkey and Russia’s request for the US to pull out of Syria. Betraying our allies and doing it against the now public advice of his military and national security advisors, the Pentagon, and the intelligence community.
Trump is done. He is in an even worse position than he was when he looked like a traitor beta cuck while standing next to Putin.
All that is left of bad news and more problems for him over the next 90 days until he is forced to resign.
He has no competent advisors. No allies. And no plan other than hoping his base keeps the GOP in line to protect him.
Losing the national popular vote by 8 points in this years midterm fractured his support among the GOP and his recent actions has accelerated the collapse.
And he will not even have the economy to rely on because it is on a downturn now.
The majority of the people who live on the border want the wall. You, and the liberal open borders socialists can fuck off.
I’ve yet to meet a single liberal who wants ‘open borders’. I’m sure a few exist out there, but it’s not a common position. Most people, left or right, recognize the need for secure borders… they just don’t agree on how to secure them.
I strongly prefer additional border patrol personnel over a wall. A layered, adaptable defense is far better than a static one that doesn’t have adequate personnel to guard it. DHS estimates they already catch 80% of people trying to enter via the SW border (though others estimate the number to be much lower), but between the 200+ tunnels, bribes, ‘pangas’ on the ocean, let alone smuggling through valid ports of entry, how many more do you think a wall (a fence, it seems now) will stop? And how is that spending demonstrably better than putting it towards people, people who can adapt to new methods for illegal crossing?
My mild opposition to the wall isn’t due to some ludicrous belief in open borders, but more akin to discussions about unwanted teen pregnancy. I don’t think putting funds towards abstinence-only education is effective at achieving that goal, but that doesn’t mean I think the goal is bad, just the approach to it.
The wall/fence barrier in the San Diego zone cut illegal crossers by over 80%. But you lefties refuse to acknowledge that. The wall/barrier in Israel cut their illegal crossing by over 90%. The wall in Berlin did a hell of a job stopping people from crossing into West Berlin. Too bad we can’t dig up some ancient Romans and ask them if walls/barriers work. If walls don’t work at keeping people out, then why do all these rich assholes and D-rat politicians keep erecting them around their mansions?
I think you should do a bit more research on who built the Berlin Wall and why.
Don’t think rgr769 was advocating the Berlin Wall.
I am well aware of who built it and why. I am just saying all this bunk about “walls don’t work” is for the semi-retarded who will believe anything.
Physical barriers do require active measures. Our current border enforcement is so very much more effective when we add a major physical barrier, greatly enhancing the likelihood of deterrence, detection, and detention.
Which, -of course-, is why they oppose it. They don’t -want- anything stopping the tide of illegals. The they demand more of what -doesn’t- stop it.
Nobody on the right is saying a wall for LESS border patrol agents. Has anyone ever suggested that? No. Because we want a secure border. That is one, with a barrier, and patrolled by a heavy law enforcement presence. You want your neighbor’s dog to quit crapping in your yard. Put up a fence, costs $5k for chain link. If it’s a big dog it’ll jump over it, or might dig under. So you go $10k for a wood privacy fence with some protection to prevent digging. That’s a one time expenditure. Sure you have to upkeep it, paint it every few years, replace rotten boards and all that. But the bulk of the cost is paid once. This fence results in the dog only getting through 2% of the time. Now alternatively, you could hire around the clock security. For $10 and hour you can hire someone (or a group of someones) to watch your yard. They’re good, and they can move and intercept the dog, but sometimes they get sick or injured, are fighting with a dog when three more run behind them, or turn their back while pouring coffee to stay awake and the dog sneaks through and makes a mess. Let’s say your guards are 80% effective, that means you have paid round the clock $240/day for someone to reduce the amount of foreign dog shit in your yard by only 80%. And this will never end. Now combine to two smartly. Put up the fence and supplement that with random patrols. Since your guard is mobile and can cover a lot of ground, maybe the whole neighborhood goes in on the guard. Now you’ve got a 98% effective fence, backed up by an 80% effective guard who can cover more than just your yard. You’ve gone from having 80% effectiveness (guard alone) to 98% (fence alone, for days when the guard is away) to 99.6% effectiveness (guard and fence). Put another way, if I told you your next airplane flight had an 80% chance of making it, would you take the trip? What if the… Read more »
Sort of simplistic, don’t you think? I am all for better border security, and a wall and/or high tech fencing is definitely a big part of that in many areas of the border with Mexico. It it’s a lot more complex than keeping your neighbors dog from crapping on the grass.
For one, we aren’t talking about a dog, we are talking about highly motivated human beings, who can and do dig tunnels under, climb, fly over, and cut holes through the various walls and fences we currently have in areas. I grew up in McAllen Texas, and lived in Southern Arizona for a few years. Go look up the tunnels of Nogales for an interesting read. Remember how El Chapo got out of prison? Where did they learn those skills?
For another, the wall is far from a one time expense, and it costs way more than $10k. Maintenance will be a major annual expense, even if no one is deliberately trying to breach it.
Also, unlike your neighbors yard, there isn’t a single straight line boundary to cover. There are thousands of miles of coastline as well as our border with Canada to consider. In other words, it would be like building. A fence across about a third of your neighbors yard.
You also have to consider that there are roughly a million dogs crossing into the yard legally each day, with about 851 getting caught trying to sneak in every day (here’s a cool website: https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/typical-day-fy2017)
Of course, most of the actual terrorists in the US today are either coming in legally via airline from the ME or Europe, or were actually born here.
Of course it’s simplistic, that was my point. If walls didn’t work, then why did the Chinese build one? The Romans built on across Britain. Prisons have walls for a reason.
I’m saying we’re putting our CBP guys behind the curve by making it easier for these people to cross without having to climb over or under something.
Are they going to dig under it? Of course, they already do. Are they going to send more people by makeshift boat up the coast? Absolutely. Neither of those is reasons not to build a wall. They’re excuses. Once we make it harder, we can expend resources chasing the ones that get through, over, under, or around it.
A wall isn’t the end of border security. It’s a part of it.
Agree totally. The problem is, the President isn’t saying ‘I want $5B for my comprehensive border security plan that includes more, better equipped and paid CPB agents, better surveillance, and international programs to make the nation safer’. He’s saying ‘I want $5B for a wall.the first time I heard that took me back to when Obama said he was going to close Guantanamo Bay. His base wanted to hear it, but it was overly simplistic and was never really gonna happen’
Of course, the fact that long defunct empires built a wall did not prove those walls were effective.
Adding more wall to the locations most walked-over -does- slow them down and make it easier for the folks enforcing the rules to do their job.
Which would you rather patrol? Which is more effective with the same resources?
If the added barrier didn’t work, they wouldn’t fuss about it.
I listened to an interview Thursday with CBP officer interviewed. He wants the wall built, he referred to the wall as a force multiplier. From the horses mouth, so to speak.
Of course it is. I think any comprehensive border security plan would contain a variety of physical barriers
What if the president had given Sec HLS 90 days to come up with a comprehensive border plan- to include barriers, personnel, surveillance tech, etc? What would that plan look like?
We already have a comprehensive border patrol police minus an extensive physical barrier. “The Wall” is in addition to what is already done, which was the point of the CBP Officer who was interviewed.
police = policy.
My apologies.
The opponents of controlling the border know darn well it will help slow down the illegals. That is why they oppose it.
If it was unlikely to work, they would just wait and say “see?”. Not like the Left opposes government construction of boondoggles. But they -do- oppose this construction. Hmmm.
But if the illegal aliens voted GOP the Wall would have been built over 40 years ago!
Here’s a crazy fucking idea, LC.
Illegal immigration is a responsibility of the feds via ICE, etc. But it’s also a responsibility of the states to not encourage it via sanctuary cities, welfare, education (in-state tuition, etc) and all the other little benefits states like CA, et al, heap on illegals.
Discuss.
And you know what? I’d be all for that… after amnesty. Illegal immigration sucks – it’s absolutely unfair to Americans, and it’s a gut-punch to those who got here legally. But as much as I dislike ‘sanctuary cities’, I absolutely hate the idea of going in and deporting people who’ve been here all their adult life, or separating parents from their kids. How much do you, an educated guy in a modern country, know about immigration laws in other countries? Probably not much, I’d guess.
So if some twenty year old guy from a tiny village in Guatemala, with no knowledge of American laws, little to no knowledge of where his own country’s borders are, comes all the way here, builds a life and a family for himself, contributes to society, and is raising two kids (it’s the kids who get benefits/welfare, not the parents, because the kids are American citizens), .. you think we should just toss him out? Screw his kids, his life, his family? Sorry, that’s fucked up.
We tried amnesty once.
How’d that work out?
I know something about immigration laws for other countries, LC, and many are so stiffnecked about it that if you are a tourist and you stay past an allotted time – say, six months – they come looking for you and drag you right off to the airport for deportation. They don’t care if you have a wife/hubby and kids. You didn’t apply for an alien resident permit, and you have no reason to be there, so YOU are gone, period.
A good example is Belize. They do NOT want foreigners there except as tourists. If you overstay your time limit, you get booted out. And they do NOT want foreigners as citizens or resident aliens.
So how come it’s okay for those OTHER countries to have such strict laws, but NOT US????
And in regard to Guatemala, it is a pisshole country that could have a thriving country but does not seem to want to do anything about it.
My winter tomatoes come from Mexico. You have to ask why they don’t come from Guatemala, when they could. If Chile and Argentina can develop a thriving export economy in regard to fruit, vegs and wine, and Mexico does the same, then why is it that Guatemala doesn’t follow suit?
Does it even remotely occur to YOU that laziness has anything to do with it?
I worked as a deputy sheriff and the people on the border are more divided on this issue than you might think. While I suspect the majority along the border support a wall, many small communities would be economically devastated by it.
There is nothing preventing the locals from petitioning their congressman and voting I support of the wall but that does not mean it should be a national priority.
Besides states can fund a wall if they want one. While they can’t actually enforce immigration laws under state jurisdiction there is nothing in the constitution preventing them from building a wall on state land this side of the border.
If the wall is as effective a deterrent as conservatives claim and they really want to see a wall then states should be doing this
I currently live and work on the border. I worked for CBP the last 3 years. I can empirically tell you that you are full of shit. States cannot build a wall. Your lord and master Obama’s supremes told Arizona that border and immigration law was strictly the fed’s jurisdiction. So, again, I say fuck off.
Not to mention that pretty much all the land west of Texas is federal property.
No community will be affected by it. Commerce will still flow through ports of entry.
A wall would only be devastating to local communities if they were profiting from illegal immigration.
Deputy sheriff in a rural US-Mexico border county.
I’ve been meaning to ask if you know what a complete sentence is, Taylor.
Obviously, you do not. It is difficult to believe that you have enough education, never mind passing grades, to have passed a basic exam for a commission in the Army.
Therefore: iqeishi, Squishfish! Iqeishi buadda!!!
If you ever learn to eat crow, let us know, mmmkaaay???
All that edjumakayshun Babbles McButthead lays claim to having and I truly wonder if he has ever legitimately passed an English Composition or Grammar class in his life?
Hey, he is still working on his degree. You don’t need those skilz at Berzerkely, anyway.
I guess all you need to do there is just be a heavily brainwashed proglodyte snowflake and feel good about it! I wonder how much money they spend each year just for coloring books, crayons an Play-Doh for their “Safe Spaces” they maintain for their precious space cases?
I wondered how Lars got into Berkeley, then today I read that milquetoast limp-wristed brain-dead wannabe Hogg was just accepted to Harvard.
FUCKING HARVARD.
Let that sink in for a while.
If you look at who Harvard lets in and even more so at who they let teach, whether actually credentialed to do so or not, adding David Hogg to the mix was predictable.
Remywhe. That little weasel was crowing about an SAT score that was well over 100 points lower than mine? Ivy League schools wouldn’t have given me the time of day. I guess it pays to be an obnoxious lying little shit.
That was autocorrupted from “remember when.”
What were you, Special Deputy Doofy the Crossing Guard?
You worked, but not very well.
I rather suspect you were the Farva of your department.
Now go man the radio.
Seek professional help, Lars. Do you really think that California, which has declared itself a sanctuary state, is going to fund a wall across the border? That’ll happen about the time Jerry’s choo-choo has a station in Yreka…
“I worked as a deputy sheriff” sure sounds to me that you no longer work in law enforcement and that all of a sudden makes me feel safer or at least as safe as I can considering what I keep hearing about the elected ones here.
As always; wrong. The majority of US citizens polled have consistently favored a wall since the 1990s.
The majority of US citizens don’t care about shutdowns at all.
Only those for whom government is god and the state is society get worked up.
You know, useful idiots….like…wait for it…
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-news-poll-americans-dont-support-building-the-wall/
That’s at best a click-bait headline. Show me the numbers asked, how they were asked, and, most importantly, what they were asked.
Google polls yourself. I have evidence all you two did was spout your perceptions and then dismiss evidence presented against it as click bait fake news.
What is the point of discussing anything with people like you two?
What evidence? A terrible post by CBS? I’m refuting the “article” you posted. It’s three paragraphs with absolutely no context.
I stand by my questions. This is not an informative post by CBS. Polls should be conducted with some transparency.
It is clearly click bait “news” (using news in the loosest sense of the word). They (and you) portray this as some sort of scientific poll of the electorate. It is not.
What’s the point of arguing with people who find massive fault with your “evidence”? I don’t know. If you don’t want to have a rational conversation, numerous people here have asked you to leave.
Hold it right there, Sportless!
Quoting you verbatim: “What is the point of discussing anything with people like you two?”
Why DO you show up, Taylor, other than to get attention and piss people off???? No nubile and naive undergrad girls interested in your less-than-stellar intellect? No one listening in awe at your table in the coffeeshop while you expound your version of what YOU think YOU know of Marxism and the platitudes that buried the truth from the naive, ignorant and gullible serfs that Lenin mesmerized?
Such a lack of audience for you must make your days emptier than an old can that once held chili beans.
Ex:
You seen what passes for a nubile coed at Berkeley? (shudder)
As always, Commissar expects everyone else to do his work for him.
Oh, you saw that, too!
That’s why he wants open borders, TOW. He doesn’t want to dirty his hands doing menial labor…
Google – really Lars? Google loves to slant the news to the left, or haven’t you realized that yet?
Boyu, you are really, really fucking short in the area of using common sense.
You mean all those polls that showed Pantload running away with the election two years ago?
Those polls?
Look at the answers to questions 14 and 16 from this CBS News poll.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByVu4fDHYJgVS0pDMXlfWERxclBOQmh1bHNrQVdnRXpYbVVN/view
It’s worth pointing out that those numbers are from people who watched the SOTU. That is, it skews towards whichever party has the Presidency.
This link, for example, has numbers that show 83% of people watching President Obama’s first SOTU approved of his proposals, and 85% of people watching President George W. Bush’s first SOTU approved of his.
Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/polling-analysis-state-of-the-union-speeches-attract-high-approval-ratings/
The most recent ‘wall’ poll I can find, other than the one Lars posted, is from June, here:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/235775/americans-oppose-border-walls-favor-dealing-daca.aspx
In short, 57% oppose the wall. And since we’re talking about public support, it’s worth noting that public support (in that poll) for giving DACA immigrants citizenship is much higher, at 84%. This was something that was actually offered to the President in exchange for wall funds earlier this year.
I see. It’s a poll of informed voters who don’t agree with you, so it must be skewed.
And the Dems offered app. 25% of what Trump wanted for their complete DACA program. Yeah, that’s compromise.
Er,… no. It’s a poll of people who watched the SOTU. Not a poll representative of the nation, unlike the Gallup one above.
This is why Obama and Bush had 83% and 85% on their proposals, despite our highly partisan politics. As for what the Dems offered (in exchange for something which has bipartisan support and shouldn’t even need to be negotiated!), yes, it’s less than the ever-changing numbers one sees. But still more than 0, since the US wasn’t going to have to pay anything originally, right? Mexico was going to pick up the tab!
Why does everyone pick on that as the sticking point? Who really believed they were going to pay for it?
Probably the same people that think Trump was actually going around grabbing women by the p—y.
Apparently, the Trump administration:
“Our administration continues to believe that [Mexico] will [pay for the wall],” a senior administration official said told reporters on a background call about the shutdown. “This debate is about ensuring that we have the appropriations to get the wall built.”
Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/the-white-house-still-expects-mexico-to-pay-for-the-border-wall-2018-12
That’s only because the media and the Democrats keep harping on about it, so they have to say that. The latest is that Mexico will pay for it through our savings on the new trade agreement.
Are you pulling “Empirical Evidence” out of your ass again?
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-dont-want-a-government-shutdown-because-of-the-border-wall/
Yet some more “Empirical Evidence” you pulled out of your ass?
Americans do not hold the same views about the world as they did in 1997.
It is almost as though people’s views change as humans develop a greater understanding of the world.
Sorry you feel left behind.
yep, leftist indoctrination in state run schools will do that…
Is there a Lars mute button on the console?
Worse than freakin pop up ads for ED pills.
I’d settle for a “ignore” feature. Though he changes names enough to make even that of limited use.🙄
I have had four names in 4 years
1. My real name but then too many spineless triggered snowflake trolls on here used it to attack my personal life off these forums.
2. Poodledick. Simply adopting the name I was often called on here. But then when I did adopt it people starting whining and reporting it as “offensive”.
3. Commissar. I thought ironically taking on something associated with communism would be sarcastically humorous. However, I underestimated how damn clueless most are on economic theory and how every post I made would be labeled communist or socialist. Despite the fact that the economic theory I support has more free market pricincipkes and less regulation and government than anything we have anywhere in the world right now.
In fact I just dismiss anyone that calls me a “communist” as an absolute moron.
The Irony is most of the asshats whining about communism voted for Trump and he is more anti-capitalist than any president since Lyndon Johnson.
I switched to Cthulhu after Trump was sworn in because he is literally the end of the modern GOP. It is in honor of the monster you all were conned into electing.
1. You shouldn’t have your personal life affected by crap posted here. I totally agree with you there.
2. Call yourself whatever you like.
3. The sarcasm is lost when you routinely post things in line with a socialist agenda. It can’t be sarcastic or ironic if you truly believe the stuff you post.
You spout so much stuff, like “Trump is more anti-capitalist than” that is just factually wrong. He has spearheaded a cutting of useless regulations, reopened areas to oil and gas exploration, etc. What do you think he’s done that’s anti-capitalist? Fighting the unfair trade practices with China (who steals our IP and undercuts American business with government subsidized monies)?
Despite all the strum und drang that Trump will lose the election, tank the economy, drive the globe into recession, destroy the GOP, et. al. none of it has happened. Stop making predictions when you’re so repeatedly wrong.
In re: #3 – You spent an enormous length of column explaining Marxist economic policies to us, as if you thought you were running some sort of lecture hall when you were on someone else’s blog. You made it clear that this was YOUR preference and you even tried to cheat on arithmetic and demonstrate how 2.00ad infinitum plus 2.0ad infinitum, a whole number added to a second whole number can be twisted into equaling 5.0, which is how brainwashing is enhanced.
You bring this on yourself, Taylor, by refusing to acknowledge that anyone else has a right to a viewpoint or an opinion or even the right to speak freely. If we disagree with you, well – we’re just WRONG, even if we are CORRECT.
That alone makes you an asshole personified. You are frequently wrong about many things, and refuse to recognize that anyone else has a right to an opinion or even an idea. Social moron and colossal asshole.
Explaining the theory does not mean I support the solution of implementing Marxist policies.
I generally agree with Marxist arguments explaining some of the longer term problems of capitalism. However, I do not support the solutions that classical Marxists advocate.
I advocate an extreme market and entrepreneurial set of policies that have nothing to do with communism.
I think communists are completely wrong. They recognized some of the correct problems but advocate an utterly terrible set of policy solutions and completely fail to understand human nature.
Man, I cut the bait, throw it into the pool and wait for the SquishfishMcBlobcoot to bite…
…and bite, he did.
You are SO predictable. But you forget one teensy, weensy little thing: when you hog someone else’s space to sell your product to people who neither like it nor want it, you’re worse than Amway**.
**I confidently predict that metaphor will go flowing right past SquishfisMmcBlobdoodles.
I had no problem with him calling himself “Commissar” until that one time you confused him with me, dear one. 😉
It was dark and cold, and I was hungry.
Don’t think rgr769 was advocating the Berlin Wall.
I gave you the nickname “poodledick” because you act just like a guy I went through Basic &AIT with who was given that by our DS’s, I thought it fit you perfectly!
#1 – you used your name to post here originally – your decision. You got all butt hurt when many of us started using it to address you.
Grow the fuck up, Lars… you’re a thin skinned, pussy commie
Huh…seems I was hearing dipshits like you prattle on in a similar fashion about a certain Republican president about 36 years ago.
Wrong then, wrong now. You’d think eventually you’d learn from your fuckups.
Nah, they just think that they’ll get it “right” the next time…
Lars, this is at least the second time you’ve made the claim, or implied, that you came up with the “Commissar” tag all on your own. Actually, God help me, I was the one who starting calling you that after hearing you babble about how there was nothing to fear from communism. You were going by “L. Taylor” at the time.
https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=62824#comment-2723778
And he can’t get the story straight about being banned… posted by Jonn himself earlier this year
https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=77294#comment-3077831
Another comment about his banning from Jonn in September of last year:
https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=74981#comment-3040828
The zika-commie is very forgetful, must be the nortriptyline.
It’s easy to say to call someone a liar when they aren’t able to defend themselves.
Maybe the Fishbaitballstothewall chthulhu could find his way to Russia, where the government is STILL in charge of every cotton pickin’ thing, but you don’t get shot for speaking your tiny mind any more… or so I’ve heard.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. All of it. You’re not even a broken clock, cause you can’t even be right twice a day.
Believe what you want. It is not like there is some sort of search engine that could checks hindreds of thousand of sources to find national polls. So I guess all you can do is just deny any facts that make you uncomfortable.
And how is that different than what you do? ArmyATC posted a much better link than the one you did (ironically also from CBS) that actually shows much more of the methodology of the poll. That is something I’ll give weight to.
Your first article posted is basically a tweet from CBS that says Americans don’t want a wall. You know what polls mean? Jack shit.
We have a system in place that allows Americans to have a say in how the government is run, they are called elections.
Trump ran on building a wall, many Republicans in 2016 did as well. Hell, most of the Democratic leadership has at one time in the recent past also favored a wall. He’s fighting for what he said he’d fight for. To his everlasting credit, he’s done or is trying to do everything he promised on the campaign trail. Never seen another politician actually do that.
If anyone was “conned” into voting for Trump is was because the only way to make a sleazy, pompous, adulterous, loud mouthed television personality and NYC billionaire seem like the LESSOR of two evils is to rig the DNC primary in favor of one of the least relatable people on Earth. I have yet to see any redeeming quality to Hilary. Literally any other person, even the openly socialist Sanders, would have won if the DNC hadn’t been so crooked.
How would you, you leftist commie sucker of cock, know what the majority of American citizens want with regard to a border barrier? Go post at DU or Huffpo. We are not interested in the opinions of your commie and crypto-commie perfessors (propagandists) at the Berzerkelely commune.
On the other hand, if your use of the term “Americans” means every person in the Western Hemisphere, then yes, most of those living south of our southern border don’t want a wall or any other barrier to impede them from illegally crossing our border and entering our country illegally. How many illegals are you willing to house in your mom’s basement? Because if you and your fucktard ilk have their way on this issue, you might have to answer that question some day in the not too distant future.
I support an economic theory that has a freer market, less regulation, and a smaller government than you support so if either of us is anti-capitalist it is you.
How are those trade barriers you support working out?
You are a mark conned by a grifter and you still idiotically support him.
Some of your posts keep getting flagged for moderation. Please do not use more than two links in a post or I have to dig it out of the trash folder and manually post it.
I am sure you are unaware that I have been manually having to approve your posts and I really have much better things to do.
Also, please use a real email that you check on your account so I can send these kind of thing directly to you.
Thanks … your special friend Dave
Lars using a fake e-mail address? Say it ain’t so, Dave?
Yes, I did wonder when that was going to show up. Finally! I have been vindicated AGAIN!!
Thank you, Zeus, Apollo and Dave Hardin!!!!
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/dec/18/support-trump-border-wall-sets-record-though-still/
http://www.news9.com/story/39681468/cbs-news-poll-most-americans-dont-support-building-border-wall
https://news.gallup.com/poll/235775/americans-oppose-border-walls-favor-dealing-daca.aspx
https://morningconsult.com/2018/11/21/voters-say-again-trumps-wall-isnt-worth-shutdown/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/798252/support-for-southern-border-wall-in-the-us/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-dont-want-a-government-shutdown-because-of-the-border-wall/
The only place surveys really matter is on Family Feud.
If we believed surveys, then Trump only had a 2% chance of winning.
Ditto with polls.
Well, since the number of links in that comment are excessive, it’s my view that he has nothing to say of any importance, because he is dumber than a box of bent roofing nails.
I approved this one, but as Dave mentioned the number of links in a given comment is limited- if that limit is exceeded it must be moderated.
Ponder that for a moment, please. A hard-ass like Dave or a conservative-to-the-bone, me, are approving your comments as they are written, when it would be easier to just shit-can the thing.
I think that speaks volumes of the integrity found here. If I tried to pull the mirror image of your posts to HuffPo or the DU I’d be banned in a heartbeat.
Over at DU, HuffPo, Kos or any of the other lefty website, they’d call you a racist and ban you…
Sounds like the same game plan that Larsie likes using here (minus the banning).
As I recall, when Angela Merkel, the Communist-oriented president of the EU, opened the gates to a flood of “migrants”, many of the countries along those routes put up barriers of concertina razor wire and other kinds of blocks, to keep out people they didn’t want entering their countries.
Now much of Europe has become a poltical and economic shambles, Merkel lost her majority seat and will have to step down in Germany, and those “migrants” have turned parts of many cities into no-go areas that even the police won’t enter.
Oh, and Soros’s CEUniversity in Budapest is closed, he’s had to take his offices out of Turkey and he’s no longer welcome in many places.
I’ve heard that Soros is PNG in Hungary as well.
That’s correct. That is why he was kicked out of Budapest – Orban was tired of his crap.
When you live near the border like I do, and deal with the realities of illegal immigration (and its wonderful accessories like human trafficking and general smuggling) every day like I do, then maybe I might give a fuck what you think about it, Commissar. Until then, fuck yourself. Your opinion on the matter carries less value than a Venezuelan bolivar.
Hey Babbles McButthead, you and your ilk are little more than brainwashed fools, you’re someone else’s useful idiots. You’ve been so thoroughly hoodwinked by the left whose top handlers want to turn the USA into some disease and corruption-infested third world shithole. Don’t believe me? Simply look at the likes of San Foo-foo, Detroit and Chicago for starters and I also offer NJ as further proof. Ten out of every ten crime and poverty-infested urban hellholes are places that have been lorded over by D-rats for multiple decades.
Jesus Fucking H. Christ, Lars.
Were you born this fucking stupid, or did you have yo work on it?
Any fucking dumber and you’ll be able to sustain photosynthesis.
Nope, he’d still find a way to fuck it up.
With Larsie, it’s in his DNA…
Are you paid a commission every fucking time you double space bar?
You fucking libtards think that you must talk down to everyone by separating you statements. Fucking asshole!
So Trump will resign in late March. Got it. Tick tock, tick tock……
Also the economy is faltering which makes a shutdown potentially disasterous. Some people are temporarily furloughed and some are working without pay. This kind of disruption coming at a time when there is a great deal of uncertainty tends to slow consumer spending and downshifts the economy.
The Fed raising interest rates is another fact that will slow the economy since the price of a dollar will go up at the exact time we might start seeing a decline in the demand for dollars.
Though the Fed has little choice since it makes its decisions on lagging indicators and the value of the dollar was collapsing and inflation was on the rise. The GOP maintained the same level of deficit spending while ALSO implementing a massive tax cut. They played a game for political points by flooding the economy with excess cash which like nitrous in an engine made it appear the economic engine was doing well but was short term and destructive. Thus the supply of dollars skyrocketed while the demand remained relatively constant and thus the dollar depreciated for the last 18 months. Only starting to rise again in response to anticipation that the fed would raise interest rates and people wanting to secure financing before the interest fair rise.
OH, dear!
The DJIA closed 1.8% down on Friday. The Horror!!! We;re DOOOMED! DOOOMEDD, I tell you!!!
The S&P500 closed down 2.5%!!! Oh, my Dog, we are DOOMEDD!!
The NASDAW closed down 3%!!!! NOOOOOO!
And, in the next breath, we are told by people who actually know something about capitalism and markets that, while there are worries that the Federal Reserve’s efforts to normalize interest rates and wind down its balance sheet may have an effect on stocks in the near future, the probability IS that there will be two more increases next year, rather than three, after a widely expected rate rise by the Fed on Wednesday, next week.
So much for an allegedly faltering economy. My grocery bill is about the same as always. Gas at the pump is quite stable, rising or falling a few cents per gallon, depending on usage and sales levels at the pump. Eggs, poultry, beef, hogs are all on contract prices fixed months ahead, as are grain prices and other commodities, for specific delivery dates.
I haven’t gotten my gas bill for the mid-November to mid-December period just yet. That should be mext week, but prices for natural gas remain stable.
So, in a few words, Lars, you are full of absolute ignorance about a lot of things. And the US economy is ONLY ONE of those things.
Yup, my 401(k) has lost 10 percent since September.
And still up 35 percent since Jan 2017.
Math is hard, Larsie. Well, maybe for you.
For Larsie, 2+2=5!
Hey Babbles McButthead, it might behoove you to take some remedial courses in Spelling and English Composition so you only appear to be a Grade A 24K Fool instead of the Grade AAAA 24K Fool we know you are!
So weird. The dow’s drop trend tracks almost exactly with the election of a Democrat House.
Too weird.
Oh, you saw that, too? Good.
A modest rate of inflation is to be expected, likewise a pullback after a certain time. What we’re seeing, after 8 long years of sluggish recovery under a sluggard, is the economy getting back on track and moving forward.
Yes, the Q3 GDP had to be revised downward.
From 3.5 to 3.4 percent.
3.4 percent–an annual figure Obama never reached in his entire presidency. In fact, in 2011, we were told 1-2% GDP was, “the new norm.”
And seriously, don’t blather on about deficit spending and debt when your boy hero added $11T to the debt in 8 years.
To put that another way, the JEF added more to the national debt than EVERY President before him, COMBINED!!
But now the freaking dims are deficit hawks…
What did you expect from them, Fyrfighter? They change their minds with the way the wind blows up their skirts.
I am truly looking forward to the coming year, in which fiscal nitwit Democrats like some we’ve seen arrive on scene will attempt to bulldoze their way through the crowd of Old Fogies in Congress.
I will stock up on popcorn accordingly.
You constantly sound like you are reading from a flyer posted on the a pole at a liberal shithole college.
Well, he DOES claim to be attending UC Berzerkely!!
Attending? He’s washing dishes in the cafeteria.
Post Office is closed.
It’s Sunday, 26L.
*grin*
In regards to the wall and immigration, what Commissar and his fellow travelers are reluctant to tell you is that this ponzitopia, this Great Society, that we have created for ourselves, will implode without fresh meat. A fertility rate of less than 2.1 is below the replacement rate. The implications of a shrinking population are manifold. Currently the US fertility rate is 1.8. It is generally less than 2.1 across the globe, with very few (and small) exceptions. What we are witnessing is a global competition for immigrants (that still doesn’t increase the fertility rate)…think of them as new “investors” in our special ponzi scheme. Kinda warms the heart, doesn’t it? For the first time in history, this planet will enter a trend of shrinking human population…and projected to remain so until children become an economic asset rather than a liability (think agrarian based un-mechanized economy, for example).
In closing, I think it’s really cool that Dave is Lars’s special friend. It’s getting a bit dusty in here. Merry Christmas TAH!
Tweak the US tax code a bit.
Reduce significantly the tax burden on intact two-parent two-citizen families with three or more children (bio or adopt)
Grant permanent tax discount to any citizen that has married, produced or adopted three or more kids, and stayed married until the last one turns 18.
The government trying to social engineer 3+ kid families. Gee. What could go wrong?
“What is the point of discussing anything with people like you two?”
-Lars/Commissar/Poodledick/Cthulhu/Whatever.
Why single them out, Lars? Tell you what you do. Ask AW1Ed to share your email with all of the folks at TAH it is that can stomach exchanges with you. It should only take him a second.
E-mail? He uses a fake e-mail address, AirCav.
He doesn’t want anyone to contact him.
He’s incapable of accepting a difference of opinion, especially if the other person’s opinion is probably accurate.
Mr Trump, build the wall!