The Untold Story of Robert Mueller’s Time in the Vietnam War | WIRED
Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s job is to make sense of how Russia hacked the 2016 election. But to make sense of Mueller, you have to revisit Vietnam’s bloodiest battles.
I make it a point to attempt an understanding of those I disagree with. It has become all too easy these days to use rhetoric in a dehumanizing manner. I do not have to agree with someone to respect them.
William Sparks, a private first class in Hotel Company, recalls that Mueller got off the helicopter in the middle of a rainstorm, wearing a raincoat—a telltale sign that he was new to the war. “You figured out pretty fast it didn’t help to wear a raincoat in Vietnam,” Sparks says. “The humidity just condensed under the raincoat—you were just as wet as you were without it.”
As Mueller walked up from the landing zone, Kellogg—who had no idea Mueller would be inheriting his platoon—recognized his OCS classmate’s gait. “When he came marching up the hill, I laughed,” Kellogg says. “We started joking.” On Mueller’s first night in the field, his brand-new tent was destroyed by the wind. “That thing vanished into thin air,” Sparks says. He didn’t even get to spend one night.”
Over the coming days, Kellogg passed along some of his wisdom from the field and explained the procedures for calling in artillery and air strikes. “Don’t be John Wayne,” he said. “It’s not a movie. Marines tell you something’s up, listen to them.”
“The lieutenants who didn’t trust their Marines went to early deaths,” Kellogg says.
And with that, Kellogg told their commander that Mueller was ready, and he hopped aboard the next helicopter out.
Robert Mueller receives an award from his regimental commander Col. Martin “Stormy” Sexton in Dong Ha, South Vietnam in 1969.DAN WINTERS; ARCHIVAL PHOTO COURTESY OF THE OFFICE OF ROBERT MUELLER
Source: The Untold Story of Robert Mueller’s Time in the Vietnam War | WIRED
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Lookit that mutherfucking NDSM.
He’s a GOT DAMN American Hero I tells ya.
Jesus Christ.
*bows in reverence*
He has a lot more than the NDSM. You might want to read the story. I am not the president of his fan club but he served with distinction.
Agreed.
Mueller is the real deal.
I agree with your sentiments in that just because I do not agree or like someone, it does not mean I do not respect them.
I don’t know.
I would like to know if PFC Sparks and 1LT Kellogg are real or made up by the New York times.
And even if the story os real, Mueller is still a piece of shit, just as McCain was a piece of shit despite being a POW.
Pass actions do no justify current evil.
From the info in that article, no reason to believe his service was anything other than honorable, and that he did in fact serve with distinction under fire.
That being said, as has been discussed here many times, honorable military service does not always translate to anything similar afterwards. It seems clear that once he returned to the states, he decided that becoming a lawyer was a much better path. There’s plenty of room to argue if this was done in service to his country, or to himself, and no-one but he himself can truly know the answer to that. According to the article, he was leading the FBI during the colossal intelligence failure that was 9/11, and yes, he came out of retirement to be special counsel, but once again, you could argue either side as to that being in service of his country, or to further a political agenda.
What he did in Vietnam was obviously something to be proud of, just as my father serving an entire year there in the Army, and earning the same Bronze Star with V, as well as other awards, of course my father came home to a life of service as a firefighter, and hasn’t had any fawning articles written about him, he just lived his life well and quietly, and to me that says something about a man as well, there’s a difference in someone who seeks the spotlight, and one who seeks to serve.. YMMV
Mueller not only served with distinction but with valor under fire.
Additionally, after graduating Princeton and volunteering to serve he was denied for medical reasons and a year later tried again to volunteer.
He was committed to serve his country and has done so most of his adult life.
With an exceptional level of distinction.
Meh, two years into his Russia witch hunt and he still doesn’t have anything tangible against President Trump, how many millions of our tax dollars have been wasted so far? Yes, Mueller served with the USMC in Vietnam, but he’s been quite a swamp scumbag in recent years!
Yes, and six months in you could’ve said the same about Flynn. And then that changed. And a year in, you could’ve said the same about Cohen. And then that changed. That’s the funny thing about an on-going investigation. I forget, how long were the special counsel investigations of Iran-Contra? Whitewater?
Complaining there’s no evidence yet of anything against President Trump is like being 80% of the way through a movie and complaining that the main character’s arc hasn’t wrapped up yet.
While it’s not certain yet, the net cost might be … $0. Paul Manafort’s seized assets may cover the expenses for the government.
Which has nothing to do with Trump or Russia.
How long was the special counsel investigation of the Twitchy Bitch of Benghazi?
Speaking of which, it’s been said she stated that if she were to be indicted she’d take at least half of DC down with her, but is there anyone she doesn’t have dirt on?
She has a little dirt on Trump, but nothing of consequence. Funny how that works – his indiscretions and mistakes are already out there for all to see. Hers are less visible and great efforts are made to cover them.
The Manafort court document mentioned three blacked-out investigations. Unless you’re privy to some very well-kept information that I’m not, you don’t know that it has ‘nothing to do with Trump or Russia’.
If Mueller says Trump had nothing to do with anything, great. I’ll believe him. If he says otherwise, will you?
As for Clinton – if you think I have any love of her, feel free to search all my old messages. Presumably the Republicans didn’t appoint a Special Counsel because they did multiple investigations of their own and didn’t come up with any criminal charges. Not sure what one lack of an investigation has to do with the progress on another, though.
But so far, exactly what on “collusion” ?
If they put you through the same level of questions, they would find your “crimes”, even if all they could get on you is that you answered a few questions differently at different times.
So ” collusion” yet?
There’s your two problems – ‘so far’, in an investigation that isn’t over. Now, I certainly don’t know what’s going to happen, but as I mentioned above, six months into the investigation you could’ve said, “so far, exactly what crimes have been uncovered?”, and there wouldn’t be a big list. But now? It seems to grow by the day.
The second one is that ‘collusion’ isn’t a crime, much like ‘stabbing’ isn’t a crime – but aggravated assault is. If you go looking for all the charges of ‘stabbing’, miraculously there’ll be zero this whole year across the whole country! We’re in a new era of peace! Or, maybe, we’re just not using the right words.
As for me, no, I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t be facing charges ranging from conspiracy against the United States to conspiracy to obstruct justice to bank fraud and more. Are those things you would worry about if you talked to the FBI?
Normal investigations start with a crime which leads wherever it leads to discover who done it. Where is the crime which led to this investigation?
The only “crimes” we have heard about are process “crimes” which resulted from interviews about some mythical crime which so far no one has articulated.
What exactly is “collusion?” What law was broken if somebody “colluded?”
You would. -no one- can be interrogated endlessly without making verbal mistakes, or mis-remembering something, or contradicting something someone -else- said.
No one.
I have close kin that wee pros at this stuff, so spare me your purity claims. Of -course- you have violated the law somewhere. No human could possibly obey all the various and mysterious Federla laws. Probably a tax “cheat” soemwhere, math error variety. Or you bought something in one place and moved it across a line withou a tax or paperwork.
Guaranteed, they will find it.
Then the screws come out. Because they will do the same to whomever matters to you. Unless of course you “cooperate”.
Dud, you are way too smart to not understand just how adversarial is th process, how one sided, and just how much the system cheats. No video or direct transcripts of FBI interviews, just notes summarized by the agent, later.
You wouldn’t last a week. You have neither power, nor allies, nor money to resist.
I, personally, have no qualms with his service. He did serve under fire and that is commendable. Even if you DON’T serve under fire, you are still honorable if you serve honorably.
That being said, that doesn’t mean you aren’t a douche later in life. Jack Murtha comes to mind.
And as far as Mueller goes, I am not even saying he is a douche. What he is is a partisan who has been tasked with doing as much damage as possible to President Trump. He appears as though he is working very hard to do so.
a sensible and realistic person would point out here that Trump seems to have lived a life of casual disregard for the law. i’d say the current occupant of the White House made it rather easy for Mueller to do as much damage as he has.
Yeah, yeah, so did your butt-boi Bo Bergdahl. Like we would believe anything emanating from your cock-holster.
Mueller’s main distinction include using Whitey Bulger as an FBI informant and framing four men for murder.
On a lesser note he botched the Lockerbie bombing investigation, created an FBI now renown for its honor and inetgrity. Having corrupted the FBI he is the Czar of a witch hunt that makes Wilson’s Red Hunt of 1917-18 look like a Pee Wee Herman invesigation.
I will note that others who served with distinction include George McGovern, Benedict Arnold, and Al Gore.
What a total load of crap.
Jeeze all you vaginas, calm your tits, that wasn’t a joke about Mueller, it’s the standard NASDM (because just that first photo shows only that) TAH joke.
Sheesh.
The fact that this was in the article….
“Mueller got off the helicopter in the middle of a rainstorm”….” Kellogg told their commander that Mueller was ready, and he hopped aboard the next helicopter out…”
Guys, That’s in the Viet of Nam and that’s 1,000 closer to danger than my silly Chairforce ass ever got.
😀
I got it! 🙂
He served with distinction and honor as did so many others, that’s not a pass for the rest of your life. He’s one of those silver spoon rich boys who never liked Trump because he wasn’t their cup of tea. I don’t like Trump either, the difference is I’m not pretending to not know that Strzok and Page and a host of others violated their oaths to make something criminal where in the past simple fines were issued. Sanders has paid fines, Obama’s campaign has paid one of the highest fines ever issued at almost $400k. If he was truly interested in preserving the sanctity of the oval office he’d have turned over Manafort’s case long ago for what it was and admit it has absolutely zero to do with Trump. Trump may yet turn out to be a criminal mastermind, who knows. But the pretense that this is some sort of impartial investigation conducted by men of the highest possible character and honor is to blindly ignore the facts behind some of these so called honorable investigators and the appearance of impropriety. If you’ve read anything I write you know I’m not a fan of the orange man in the oval office, but I’m far less a fan of endless government over reach run by men who think they were born with an inherent right to dictate to free men and women how they should conduct themselves in the presence of the highborn. Clinton for all her faults was acceptable because she said all the right words in spite of being a lying sack of shit hag with a corruption background greater than the national debt. Trump is a loud-mouthed, self aggrandizing braggart, and boy that just pisses off the high born fucks in DC to no end with their ruling class ideas about how gentlemen should conduct themselves. Mueller is no exception, he’s a Republican never Trumper and has clearly decided that the 25 or so turds in the bowl over at Justice and FBI who’ve either lost their jobs for their bias and misconduct are of no… Read more »
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Make that +1,000,000. VOV, what you say is proved out by the one quote from the article that stuck in my brain, where Mueller’s FBI staff said he was fond of using the Gene Hackman admonition from Crimson Tide,
“We’re here to defend democracy, not practice it.”
Like you say he’s another blue-blood rich boy whose elitist sense of “democracy” is offended by the crass, brash New Yorker who lacks the refinements those like Mueller so value. Mueller feels that the end justifies the railroading of Trump’s subordinates with unrelated violations and process crimes to get at “The Don” as he did in his Mafia prosecutions.
Democracy be damned! He’s doing God’s work.
+2.
I think the power of his office went to his head when he was FBI DIR (Obama’s boy), and he discovered the fleeting benefits of corruption. He wouldn’t be the first, IMO, and won’t be the last.
As quickly as they’ve gotten to the plea deal portion with Former Trump campaign people, how come they don’t have any charges against the FBI agents who abused their authority and badge yet?
If there were something big linking Trump to collusion, it would’ve been “mysteriously leaked” a long time ago. He’s got jack shit on Trump so he’s trying to get as many underlings as possible in trouble so he can get them to say whatever he wants them to.
Mueller, thank you for your service! But, you’re still a douchebag politician.
Yeah MSG, very “interesting ” how Strozk, etc haven’t faced any charges for what they did..
They don’t refer to The Great Big Whorehouse in the Potomac River as “The Swamp” for nothing…
Well, collusion isn’t a crime all by itself. However, they don’t even have proof of that. They have nothing. Mueller is doing what “special investigators” do, when they have nothing; they go after them for lying or other things not related to the purpose of their investigation. Just like they did to Scooter Libby. The press and the brain dead leftists were all crowing about Manafort, but didn’t really look at what he was charged with, which had nothing to do with Russian collusion (again, not a crime) at all. Mueller knows he has nothing. He may have had a distinguished record in the military, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t fall victim to the curse of the Potomac. The last time I passed through DC, I felt like I needed to take a shower, and I hadn’t even stopped, just drove through.
Wild Bill Clinton wasn’t impeached for what he did with that little cupcake intern; he was impeached (and lost his law license) for lying under oath and obstruction of justice.
Mueller is doing what he’s been told to do by his handlers. It’s that simple. I’m not chastising, just stating the facts without malice.
0bama and the Clintons have received millions in illegal contributions from foreign nationals. They make anything Trump did look like parking tickets. Funny how that was barely reported at all and none of them were prosecuted. Mueller should be prosecuted or disbarred for his activities protecting the crooked agents in bed with Whitey Bulger. Funny how he was killed, so he can’t be telling his story.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/18/opinion/robert-mueller-smearing-complicit.html
But I guess suddenly that federal judge is just another magical deep state asset…
You talking about this Clinton appointee about whom the left-leaning Wikipedia has this to say:
“Gertner was notable for being a supporter of liberalism and feminist ideals, wearing bright red clothes in court, carrying her legal briefs in shopping bags and keeping files on lawyers and judges she felt to be sexist.[4]”
Nah, there’s no such thing as political federal judges sympathetic to the liberal Deep State, is there LC? Ninth Circuit, anyone?
I think there’s a fairly large difference between violations that were 48-hour ‘failure to report’ ones, in a campaign that had an unprecedented amount of donations, and a Presidential candidate himself using funds to bury a story about his affair with a porn star.
Equating these seems a bit like saying someone who downloads a song from the internet without paying for it is just as bad as someone who robs banks, since both are theft.
Well sure there’s a difference, Obama and Sanders campaigns both admitted that they were guilty of a civil violation and the FEC was able to prove they were guilty. My point was there’s no current actual criminal complaint that implicates Trump.
What you have, from a defense attorney perspective is a known liar and tax cheat now claiming he was directed by individual #1 to make those payments. Unless Mueller has a paper trail (and he may well have) you have the word of a convicted felon looking to minimize his jail time against a sitting president (who is a well known liar as well)..
Defense lawyers like those kinds of witnesses for a reason though, especially when a jury is involved because they paint the government’s case as hinging on the truths spoken by someone who is motivated to make his jailers happy.
Not everything done DURING a campaign is done FOR the campaign. The predicate that this is a campaign finance violation is that the hush money was done with the intent of affecting the election. It is entirely unclear if that was the case. First, Trump was using his own money, not campaign funds. Second, Trump has a long record of trying to protect his “brand” through such NDAs.
Remember when John Edwards used his campaign to funnel other people’s money to pay off his side piece? They took that to a hung jury. And that case seems infinitely more clear cut as a campaign violation.
Also remember that just because somebody pleads to a charge doesn’t mean that that is the crime actually committed.
LC, again from leftist Wikipedia:
“The 1996 United States campaign finance controversy was an alleged effort by the People’s Republic of China to influence domestic American politics prior to and during the Clinton administration and also involved the fund-raising practices of the administration itself.”
Do the names James Riady, John Huang, Charlie Trie and Johnny Chung ring any bells or is your memory too selective to remember how many times these foreign agents visited the Clinton White House funneling bundles of cash for the re-election campaign.
Thankfully, Bill and Hillary went to jail for that blatant, in-your-fucking-face America criminal enterprise. Oh wait…
He did give honorable service.
I disagree with the probe Mueller is persecuting (not prosecuting) Trump with, but I can still respect his service.
Mueller served honorably and with distinction and served his country throughout his life.
Yet, he is being constantly slandered and his integrity attacked entirely for POLITICAL reason by Ttump and his followers to insulate Trump from the consequences of a legitimate investigation into Trimp’s criminal financial activities, and obstruction of justice, and to discredit a NECESSARY national security counterintelligence investigation of Russian activities during our election cycles.
Nobody should be ok with ANY politician doing that and his supporters should be ashamed of themselves for buying into his scam and supporting him while he does this.
Hello, Lars.
Who let you out of the sanatorium?
As long as I take my meds, wear my ankle bracelet, and keep in touch with my psychiatrist they let me go to the local hipster creative collective coffee shop and have an egg nog soy milk vanilla chai latte with a gluten-free fair trade free range locally raised organic biscotti.
The coffee shop has wi-fi.
Damn Lars, I may hate myself in the morning for saying this but that right there was funny!
Ditto, FF!
I don’t think Cunthulu was trying to be funny. That is likely the most truthful comment he has ever posted.
You could well be right rgr, thing is, it doesn’t matter if he was making a joke or not, it’s still funny..
Actually, it’s even funnier as an admission of literal truth!
Maybe I should thank Lars for that particular laugh. My crew is currently watching the National Felons’ League (for which I have no use) with the volume up because one of my firefighters still wants to root for the Chargers (they can suck Hitler’s cock in Hell as far as I’m concerned), and it’s annoying the hell outta me. I suppose I could swing the Captain bugles, but I try not to do that unless absolutely necessary.
Find another TV TOW, NFR is on in about an hour…
When my crew pushes me, we play rock-paper-bugles… never seems to work in their favor lol
Dammit, it’s NFR time already? I’ve been working too much. In light of this information, rock-paper-bugles is necessary.
Yep, damn near over in fact… I was out in Vegas last week for the start, got to go three nights… now I’m just watching on TV.. Three more nights I believe…and already booked my room for next year..
OOh, and forgot to mention, it was DAMN NICE to see a crowd that not only stood for the National Anthem, but also bowed their heads, and removed hats for the PRAYER to start the event.. and a large majority joined in the AMEN…
Haha:-)
There ARE no criminal financial activities, you asshole.
It’s a shame that you can’t distinguish reality from idiocy blinded by your hatred of someone who won a contest when you thought the bitch of Benghazi would win it.
Tell me, if criminal behavior is so important, when is that heinous sow from the Inner Circle of Hell going to be prosecuted for some of the things ehs was responsible for doing????? When????
The criminal activity is established and substantiated. With thousands of original source documents as well as sworn statements.
As for Hillary; I have no idea why you would excuse corrupt politicians just because other politicians are corrupt. That is bullshit. The fact that you use it to justify your position shows partisanship is more important to you than the country itself.
Hillary should have been charged for the email server. The fact she was not is direct evidence of a speedster legal system for connected and wealthy Americans. She was guilty of several felonies even according to her own admissions with respect to the facts.
As for her corruption; our politicians have legalized most of the mechanisms of their own corruption. She largely followed the legal loopholes. Sufficient propane cause of her violating the law outside the loopholes with respect to corruption has not been established.
I hoped Trump would shake things up and lead to an anti corruption wave in Washington that would eventually lead to the clintons.
However, he just packed his administration with people as corrupt as the Clintons but dumber, sloppier, and less competent.
Which, ironically, is leading to a jar of anti corruption investigations that is taking down everyone in Trumps sphere and eventually the Trumps themselves.
And before you claim a deep state conspiracy; I posted in the past that while researching economic development/transition strategies applied in Eastern Europe I read documents in 2012 that were produced in 2010 that made it clear that the Trump Organization was involved in illicit financial activities with respect to money laundering and lending fraud.
So they are not inventing the concerns because Trump is president. He was implicated years ago.
Just to be clear; like Manafort he was helping corrupt Eastern European politicians steal from their people since at least 2010.
Wow, you have that UC Berzerkely propaganda firmly embedded in your skull!
“Hillary should have been charged for the email server. The fact she was not is direct evidence of a speedster legal system for connected and wealthy DEMOCRATS.”
There fixed it for you.
That’s good stuff. There’s an actual human being in there. Whatever meds you’re on, please stay on them!
No, he should be investigating Obama and Holder for the murder of Brian Terry. Who gives a crap if Trump made a few bucks here and there. How soon till “I aint got no monies” Communist Ocasio turns into a millionaire like the rest of the vermin she is now a part of?
Ojos-Locos arrived in DC with fifty grand in just her personal checking account (per her public disclosure to Congressional auditors) and a closet full of $10,000-dollar designer outfits. She’s well on her way already.
Evidently redistributing other people’s money is a business that pays quite well. Who knew?
Yep, O’crazy-Cortex is Neiman Marxist all the way!
“Who gives a crap if Trump made a few bucks here and there.”
Are you serious? Are you so ideologically blinded that you would give Trump a pass simply because he’s a Republican? We should all be concerned about politicians using public office for personal gain, regardless of the letter behind their name. *smh*
As for Obama, Hillary, Holder, Soros, Bezos, the Grinch, etc., isn’t Trump running the show? Hasn’t he appointed his own cronies by now? What is keeping him from ordering an investigation into those individuals?
Yes, Mueller served with dignity and Honor in the USMC, but at what point in his adult life did he sell his soul and become the disgusting swamp creature he is now?
I second that motion.
Right around the time he sold his soul and began covering for Whitey Bulger.
Trump’s major sin is making folks on the Left look stupid.
No wait, they do that themselves. He just exploits that stupidity to good effect.
Whitey Bulger knows how honorable he is. Let’s ask him.
Ouch!
Harsh, but fair.
Hey now, even Whitey got an honorable discharge. 😉
” a legitimate investigation into Trimp’s criminal financial activities, and obstruction of justice,”
I see someone has already made up their mind.
Legitimate investigations start with at least a little evidence of wrongdoing. The evidence of Trump’s “collusion” consists of 1)Russia trying to influence an election, something they have been doing for almost 100 years and 2)Trump trying to influence that same election, something Clinton also did.
The evidence for a Clinton “collusion” consists of the Clinton campaign paying a foreign Trump-hater to buy anti-Trump gossip from Russian gov’t. officials in order to influence an election. Oddly, this Clinton collusion material is also being used as evidence of Trump collusion by various swamp-dwelling pillars of rectitude.
It’s not just Mueller who’s being vilified. Other military veterans who served honorably and with distinction are also being slandered and denigrated. John McCain and William McRaven volunteered for service, took the oath, put on the uniform, and selflessly put their asses on the line for the sake of this country. It baffles me that a few others who did the same would be so brainwashed, that they would have the temerity to insult true patriots like McCain, McRaven, and Mueller, for whatever petty reasons they can dredge up, but will simultaneously lionize a five-time draft dodger who’s spent his entire life looking out for Number One.
The Wired writer gets it wrong about this in his effort to boost the Mueller stroke session. The NVA had been active almost everywhere in the South, but kept a low profile in order to maintain the illusion that the Viet Cong were the result of a spontaneous popular uprising. All that changed after Tet in ’68 when the NVA didn’t even bother with the illusion anymore.
Before anybody gets all misty-eyed about plucky Bob Mueller and his jarhead adventures in Viet Nam, it might be useful to consider that all that stuff happened 50 years ago. I’ll absolutely give Mueller credit for leading a rifle platoon in ’68, but people change, and what more often matters is what they do now.
Such a consideration, dissenting from the Wired hug fest, is a paper on Mueller’s more recent background by Congressman Louie Gohmert. It paints a more grim picture:
https://www.hannity.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Gohmert_Mueller_UNMASKED.pdf
That’s a hell of a read Perry.. definitely puts things into clearer focus.. Though honestly, the article says similar, in that it describes his as not putting up with any dissension, basically, he’s right, and will do what he wants, and not let anyone under him tell him he’s wrong.
Gen. Westley Clark had an honorable career as well until he sold out to the progtard D-rat traitors who infest the District of Criminals and thought he could be elected President.
Clark may have served honorably enough to retire, but I’m not sure just how honorable an individual he actually was while serving.
Some years ago, I worked with a guy who’d gone to school with Clark. He indicated that Clark was a very political animal as far back as his West Point days. Not positive, but I’m pretty sure he meant “political” more in the context of “know what to kiss and when, and when/how to use that to advance my career” than with respect to partisan politics.
The guy didn’t say so, but I got the distinct impression he trusted Clark about as far as he could throw him – if that far. However, since I never asked him outright I don’t know if that’s an accurate characterization or not.
From everything I’ve ever read about the guy, he was one of the “Perfumed princes” as COL Dave Hackworth called them. I remember one account from a former Clark staffer who said Clark expected and demanded to be treated like royalty.
Perry, a lot of Marines who served their tours up near the DMZ thought those of us fighting further south were up against “merely” Viet Cong forces. Tell that to the toopers of my battalion, 2d/327th Airborne Infantry, who, in June ’66, took on the NVA’s 18B Regiment in the Battle of Trung Luong. We had to call in the 1st Cav to help us force those tough little bastards into retreat after several days of bitter fighting.
The Battle of Ia Drang, made famous by Mel Gibson’s movie, “We Were Soldiers…” was fought in late 1965 against NVA regulars.
So this suck-up reporter is just trying to slather it on a bit too thick as you said.
Well, a few may have been “toopers” but most were real troopers…
Poe, the Marines somehow always manage to get the ink.
Here’s some historical trivia: During three weeks in November of 1967 in RVN’s Kon Tum Province, the 173rd Airborne Brigade along with elements of the 1st Cav and ARVN airborne took part in an operation against four regiments of the NVA that later came to be known as the Battle of Dak To. When the battle was over, it was basically a running gunfight up and down some of the most rugged terrain imaginable, and although it had done very serious damage to the enemy, the 173rd itself sustained casualties to the point of having to be pulled out of combat to refit at Tuy Hoa.
A few weeks later, in what came to be a siege lasting six months, the Marines ran into their own problems up near the DMZ in a place called Khe Sanh.
The mostly-Army operation lost 361 KIA at Dak To in a matter of three weeks. The mostly-Marine siege at Khe Sanh lost 274 KIA during a period of six months.
Which battle is better remembered?
Perry, I can’t find it but there is a famous quote, I believe from WWII, about the Corps having a brigade or division devoted solely to public affairs. It’s almost true–they get the most ink and the most favorable ink.
However, I’ve always considered all the glory they get as payback for the miserable housing, equipment and weaponry, much of it Army hand-me-downs, they get stuck with. At least that’s the way it appeared to me when I was calling on Marine bases and Army posts conducting business from the 70’s into the early 90’s.
Interesting that the 173rd refitted at Tuy Hoa. That’s where we (101st) were based when we fought that battle I referred to above at Trung Luong, which was just a short chopper ride from the airstrip at Tuy Hoa.
1.Gotta love Millhouse picture in background.
2 Robert was much better looking in 69
3. How ironic his commander was called “Stormy”
“Stormy”
Yeah, I saw that. Had to pause.
We’ve been here before with others. Distinguished prior service is not a free pass for the remainder of one’s life.
Major General Benedict Arnold’s service comes to mind.
It appears to me that Mueller is feverishly crapping all over his prior distinguished service.
That was a long winded story.
Guy served with honor in Vietnam.
So did I. BFD. Doesn’t make him any less of a deep state player.
I cranked out an article on this last subject week, with a wider view of things, including the simple fact that so-called “collusion” is not, PER BLACK’S LAW DICTIONARY, a crime unless “collusion” involved financial trust issues.
An example of that would Liesl Pritzker suing her father, who had reduced the value of HER family’s trust fund from over $15 billion to considerably less when he transferred funds to other entities. https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2002-11-28-0211300265-story.html
What Mueller is doing is hunting the snipe. You seldom see anyone in public office this obsessed with finding something – anything – but he is, and it’s entirely based on his dislike of Trump, nothing else. He hasn’t turned up anything of any value yet, because there is NOTHING to turn up. Interrogating a conspiracy crackpot like Jerome Corsi is a manifestation of grasping at straws. Mueller will go to his grave hating Trump and trying to find a way to get rid of him, just because he exists.
If that doesn’t sound logical – well, obsession with something is never logical. And Mueller is obsessed with this. He should find a different hobby before this one puts him in an early grave.
And again, we come to that obvious question: why hasn’t shrillary been indicted for anything, period? Why? Does she have him by the short hairs? That would not surprise me one bit.
Less time has been spent trying to find Blackbeard’s treasure.
First, phuk Lars. With that out of the way, Mueller’s service is what it is and it is commendable and laudable. Now that’s out of the way, too. For the past umpteen months, Mueller, who previously headed up a disgraced FBI, has been trying everything to nail Trump. He took another honorable man, General Flynn and allowed him to be used and trapped. Read the first ten or so short paragraphs of the year-old account linked below to get a clear picture of how the game against General Flynn was played. So, as to the current Mueller, phuk him.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-03/what-media-isnt-telling-you-about-indictment-mike-flynn
Also, let’s not forget the shit he did as the head of the FBI. Including hounding as innocent man to commit suicide and ruin another’s life over a bogus effort to tag someone with the anthrax crime. Meueller may have been a fine platoon leader, but he has been and is a corrupt swamp critter. If he wasn’t corrupt, he wouldn’t have filled his team up with the D-rat corruptocrats he hired.
Nah, fuck Flynn. He lied to Pence and because of that he fired by Trump, period. Those are the facts. If anything, he’s a fucking rat now because he’s been cooperating with Muller’s team for months. God fucking forbid we expect honesty from the National Security Advisor of all people.
Any one of us who served honorably in Vietnam could have chosen to become a political prostitute with no honor or integrity.
Mueller chose unwisely.
So, apart from one being a fictional character, what’s the difference between Robert Mueller and Michael Corleone?
Corleone wanted out?
Corleone made amends.
Yes, but Mule-ear just decided to double down for the satanic D-rats.
Corleone served in WW2. 😉
The NRA-Butina investigation is going to implicate a lot of Republican politicians and GOP operatives.
They may not get many indictments because there will be plausible deniability that those who received money from the NRA did not know the source was foreign agents and governments.
However, it is almost certain that the inauguration committee investigation will lead to indictments and convictions. If the same financial mechanisms used to hide the corruption used in the inauguration were also used in the NRA financing then the inauguration investigation will help in the prosecution of the NRA corruption.
I am hoping that these investigation will uncover a thread that will lead to the same level of investigation of the DNC but for now the GOP is going to have a tough four years and may not survive as a party if GOP republicans don’t put their country over their party.
You’ve made a lot of predictions like these, Commissar. Haven’t seen one come true yet. But you keep trying! Maybe one day you’ll get lucky!
With respect to the investigation? It takes time.
My prediction with respect to the damage Trump would do to the GOP is coming true. The GOP has lost voter affiliation, and lost the popular vote by 8 points this cycle. And that loss was during a strong economy which usually helps the current administration. In fact it is normally one the the stronger indicators of who will win the popular vote during a midterm.
I also predicted he would destroy some politicians political careers by name. Ryan was one of them. He is done.
The economy is shifting to a downturn.
I expect a global recession within 18 months.
No one here cares what you “predict” cuz you are a function of your proglodyzation at the Peoples’ Republic of Berzerkelely. We don’t think you have ever had an original thought. You just spew what your crypto-commie perfessors have brainwashed you to believe.
His comments always start with an outlandish statement of Bull.
Like I said before, he enters the room and tosses a flaming bag of shit on the bar and then want’s to lecture the rest of the patrons.
flaming bag of shit:
HERE you go again Babbles McButthead, here’s what I envision you doing when you’re not conjuring up fake brilliance that you think will dazzle us:
Nice talking points, Commissar. Your Party will be proud of your advocacy.
Now, let’s look at facts instead of talking points.
You keep referring to a “popular vote” for the most recent election, Poodle. You are aware that there are no national elections during a mid-term election, right? And that the concept of a “national popular vote margin” is thus nonexistent because of that fact?
There’s a name for belief in something that doesn’t exist, fella. It’s called “delusion”.
As I observed earlier – but which you were doubtless too lazy to read and have demonstrated multiple times that you’re too lazy to research yourself – the GOP losses in the House this time around were along the lines of historical norms. The President’s party generally loses a substantial number of House seats during a midterm election. There have been 28 midterm elections since 1910. When ranked in terms of seats lost by the serving President’s political party, the 2018 midterm ranks in the middle of the pack: 13th out of 28.
However, during this midterm the sitting President’s party gained Senate seats. That’s quite rare – it’s happened a total of 6 times since 1910 – and two of those are relatively easily explained (the Great Depression in 1934, the September 11 attacks in 2002). So by that metric, the GOP did substantially better than historical norms say it should have in the 2018 midterm.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_midterm_election
Bottom line: this midterm was about average for the GOP in the House, and substantially better than average in the Senate. There was no national office at stake, so there is no “national vote margin” for this election. Discussion of any such nonexistent quantity is simply an exercise in MSU. But you’ve proven here multiple times previously that you’re pretty good at the last.
You know, this dimwit thinks he knows more than REAL economists, but never offers a source for his prognostications.
Per Market Watch, since prices are stable, even though some people think they’ve peaked, a recession in 2019 is unlikely unless the inflation forecast was bungled.
Here we go: “The latest snapshot of U.S. inflation does little to close the gap between those who think prices will keep rising and others who believe they may have already peaked — a debate whose outcome could determine when the next recession strikes.
The cost of living was unchanged in November, reducing the yearly rate of inflation to 2.2% from 2.5%, according to the consumer price index.
The CPI had hit a six-year high of 2.9% in midsummer.” – Market Watch.
The cost of living was unchanged in November – yes, I can confirm that, based on my utility bills – no change in electricity or gas costs, disregarding other charges, the primary indicators of inflation – and prices on gasoline at the pump have dropped, while grocery prices at the market are either same-same or slightly lower.
The rate of inflation has been as close to the mark as you can hold together. So the Comissar’s prognostications about a recession are based on his generally dismal outlook on life in general. Inflation has held a steady, stable pace since Trump took office, per the reports from the Fed.
This proves without a doubt that Commissar is dead wrong about many, many things, and his dismal view of the economy is only one of many.
I’m waiting for the year-end report from the Fed, which will come about in January.
Lars predicted Wide Laod’s sure victory and the defeat of Kavanaugh’s nomination. I need to consult Lars for betting purposes. Whoever he likes, in a racehorse or a team sport, I eliminate.
Nice try Lars.. that whole thing is nothing but one more attempt by our “betters” on the left to discredit law-abiding gun owners, and move closer to communist style gun confiscation…
On a related note, what happend to your old tag line” Don’t fear the commie??”… did that only apply when they were actively supporting the American left? Now that they’ve switched gears to trying to destroy the confidence of the American public in our electorial process (aided and abetted by the left and the media-but I repeat myself…), it’s different???
Lars is a communist. We don’t take kindly to commies around here.
Hey, HE IS the one who told us that commies and communism are not to be feared!
He doesn’t say that to survivors of communism.
Glad you reminded me of that, AirCav. I have to get a copy of the volume that corroborates the death toll Stalin pursued.
They found a hand-written note in Erickson’s apartment that said, “How to respond to FSB offer of employment?”
That’s definitely not normal. Now, hopefully it means he contacted the FBI, and asked them what he should do because he was targeted for recruitment. But that doesn’t seem likely. (It could also be Butina’s note, since she was living with him for some time, but either way, it’s still the sort of shit the counterintelligence guys get pretty concerned about.)
Why would he contact the FBI? Just last week they raided the home of a whistleblower who just maybe had evidence that might have proven inconvenient to the establishment. Screw the FBI.
https://www.vox.com/2018/7/18/17586538/maria-butina-russia-person-one
And the raggedy speculation is getting to be more and more boring.
I thought it was a reference Farmers School of Business, or maybe Franklin Savings Bank, but instead, it turns out to be another effort to find mouse trails when there is nothing else to find.
SquishfishMcBlabbleputz has forgotten one measly little fact:
Donald Trump used to Be A Democrat.
At the time Dunbar was talking to Trump about running for the Republican presidential nomination, he was actually a registered Democrat.
Because he was not only receptive, but very interested in the idea of running for president at the time, Trump switched parties and registered as a Republican in the summer of 1987.
So all this idjit jumping and arm-waving from the igernunt Commie crapweasel shows his utter ignorance of the history of this game.
Makes it clear, also, that Mueller’s obsession with getting rid of Trump is because his power trip has gone to his head. Mueller’s obsession is unhealthy.
Time to move on.
Yes Lars, the “inauguration investigation” is going to find Trump and company guilty of the unspeakable crime of politics.
That it doesn’t bother you that the Dems have resorted to bringing all manner of, if you’ll excuse the pun, “trumped” up charges against their political opponents is telling. Your girl Kamala threatening to pursue RICO against her opponents when she was California AG, the loopy Austin DA dragging Gov. Perry into court.on ludicrous charges and now this.
Meanwhile the Dems and their cohorts destroy evidence without fear of repercussion while that same evidence was under Congressional subpoena (to give just one example of he litany of offenses the politically connected feel safe enough from justice to throw in our faces). Honestly Lars, do you think we aren’t paying attention? We have an “elite” that think they have insulated themselves from any consequence for their misdeeds, but you can’t avoid a reckoning forever.
Lawfare is always one of the first go-to’s in the D-rats actions against their political opponents, i.e., anyone who does not support the D-rat Prog agenda.
*YAWN*, you’re trying to dazzle us with predictions. DO tell me what happened to the Great Zika Epidemic you were predicting s little while ago!! 😀
Commissar doesn’t remember saying what he said, even if the record of exactly what he said is easily available. Therefore what he said before is irrelevant, because he didn’t say what he said, because he says so. That’s Commissar for ya.
Fair enough Dave.
Welcome home Mueller. Thank you for your service one generation late!
Now do your job and stop the bullshit!
Mule=ear can’t stop the bullshit because his “job” is to get Trump at any cost. He likely became a corrupt lawer over 35 years ago.
This is true…
^this^^that^^and the top thing^
Drain the Swamp, the whole swamp. In my opinion, anyone that has been a part of the Washington Political Machine for the last 30 or 40 years is not only part of the problem, THEY ARE THE PROBLEM!
He’s an asshole…And has been for a long time…He’s put many in prison that did not belong there…
Why does this story keep reminding me of Kerry and the Swift Boats? I read the whole thing twice and something stinks. Not sure what it is but my instinct is calling.
Might be the narrator but something feels odd.
Robert Muller, Devil Dawg Super Leg!
I would love to hear the conversation between him and the “Rifleman”, Flemmi.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Flemmi
Mueller, Comey and Connolly were well known in the Boston area with the latter living next door to a close friend in Lynnfield.
It was a topic of discussion. It still is.
Lynnfield is Boston’s sports figure community. Poke around and see who lives there, but more importantly, who used to.
Super Corrupt Turncoat!
Interesting article about Title 18 of the United States Code, Section 1001:
https://www.futureofcapitalism.com/2018/12/rbg-to-the-defense-of-flynn
Regardless of Mueller’s past, there is overwhelming evidence that his investigation is well within his original charter and has in fact uncovered criminal activity ranging from routine corruption to cooperating with the agents of a foreign power attempting to interfere in the political process in the United States. Will he find ‘collusion’? Probably not, but of course that isn’t what he is looking for. His appointment directs him thusly: The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confirmed by then-FBI Director James B. Comey in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including: (i) any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and (ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and (iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a). Why did Comey start the investigation? Well, as the Nation’s senior counterintelligence official, he was probably intrigued by several Trump advisors: Carter Page, foreign policy advisor (https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/21/politics/donald-trump-foreign-policy-team/index.html), who Russian spies tried to recruit in 2013,well before the second set of FiSA warrants and the Steele dossier. (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/04/us/politics/carter-page-trump-russia.html Paul Manafort, Trump campaign manager, engineered the election of a pro-Russian president in Ukraine. Jared Kushner, campaign advisor, met with people known to him to be Russian lobbyists Donald Trump Jr, campaign advisor same as above All four of these people were present at the infamous Trump Tower Meeting, which they knew at the time would be with what they knew to be Russian Lobbyists. So, did anyone in the campaign coordinate with Russia? The answer is yes, and that is a matter of public record. Carter Page and Paul Manafort both knowingly coordinated with Russian officials. Did they wittingly and willingly conspire to defraud the American people? In the case of Manafort, the answer is yes, but it may have been only for illegal personal gain. I really do hope that we find out that these clowns are just useful idiots that were manipulated by Russian agents and not witting participants in a scheme to sell… Read more »
Correction, Page was not at the Teump Tower meeting
“So, did anyone in the campaign coordinate with Russia? The answer is yes, and that is a matter of public record. Carter Page and Paul Manafort both knowingly coordinated with Russian officials.”
Russia? Or Russians? There’s a significant difference there as you well know, Red. I’ll also say to you, since you seem intent on criminalizing political behaviors, the same thing I said to LC up above:
From left-leaning Wikipedia:
“The 1996 United States campaign finance controversy was an alleged effort by the People’s Republic of China to influence domestic American politics prior to and during the Clinton administration and also involved the fund-raising practices of the administration itself.”
Do the names James Riady, John Huang, Charlie Trie and Johnny Chung ring any bells or is your memory too selective to remember how many times these foreign agents visited the Clinton White House funneling bundles of cash for the re-election campaign.
And don’t forget that Bill repaid the wealthy Riady family with a federal land-grab of 1.7 million acres in southern Utah in return for their contributions. The Riady’s owned large coal holdings in Asia that could have been threatened by the mining of the coal-rich Utah lands.
Thankfully, Bill and Hillary went to jail for that blatant, “In-your-fucking-face America,” corruption. Oh wait…
Another thought: How many years did Ted Kennedy get for going to Russia and promising favorable outcomes for Russian policy in exchange for a hefty inflow of illegal campaign cash?
It’s just politics when it’s Democrats pulling this crap but it’s horrible, criminal corruption and collusion when Republicans try it. The simple truth is, the Democrats are more skilled in playing the corruption game and fully enabled by a compliant media that sees nothing when a Democrat takes huge sums from foreign sources during an election campaign.
All true, and we should have invested and prosecute where appropriate. If we had, and if we hadn’t let the Democrats get away with eroding the dignity of the office and politics ingeneral by insisting that personal morale and ethical behavior should be separated from political life, we would be in a completely different situation Russia or Russians- agreed, there is a difference, and there further a difference if the party involved knew who they were dealing with. In other words, if Kush and Trump Jr honestly thought they were meeting to discuss adoption policy, and/or that the peoplemthey were meeting were private citizens, that is naive and inept but not criminal. I actually think that is the case here. Carter Page, in my semi-qualified judgement, is guilty only of stupidity- he was manipulated by Russia and unwittingly duped. Cohen is a special case- I believe he has always operated on the fringes of the law, mainly because anyone involved in NY real estate has to. I think Trump is in the same boat. Manafort, on the other hand, may well be a witting if unwilling participant in a Russian (as in Russia, not Russians) scheme. He owed millions, if not more, to some very nasty characters. I believe he knowingly (if not willingly) aided Russia in influencing Trumpnd members of his campaign. Put on your Counter Intel hat. Trump wouldn’t be able to get interim access to the laundry room in the military. Multiple bankruptcies, a foreign spouse, lots of marital issues, etc. He had at least two campaign advisors (one the campaign manager) that had contact with known Russian agents. Of course the FBI investigated these guys. I would be pissed if they hadn’t. Trump should have made a simple statement at the outset that these were serious issues, and he fully supports the special counsel investition do we can stop foreign interference in the most sacred processes of our nation. This other crap would seem like routine, minor league campaign shenanigans. A total of $250k to pay off hookers? Call me when there’s a story. Instead, every… Read more »
Red, I put on my counter-intel hat and guess what I found? More evidence that my premise is correct–it’s only criminal behavior when it’s a Republican doing it. If a true background investigation had been conducted on Barack Obama then revealed to the American electorate, do you think he would have been president? Ditto for Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State and presidential candidate. For that matter, Bill Clinton couldn’t have survived a publicly revealed background investigation what with all the criminal and sleazy activity he was associated with here in Arkansas.
When Trump first took office, I would have agreed with you that he should stop the tweeting. I have since come to believe his tweets frequently are, like a magician’s hands, a bit of legerdemain, intended to keep the Democrats and Never-Trumpers upset, off-balance and misdirected.
I agree as to the $250K to pay off hookers. One is a porn star and the other a Playmate, not exactly hookers, so it’s more like that old political pay-to-play. And $250K to a billionaire is like a hundred bucks to most of us, not an amount to worry overmuch about.
But until Hillary is indicted, don’t try to tell me that the playing field is level.
You know Trump is going down, so you try and distract and misdirect. Go Mueller!
And if he does, Joe, we’ll have President Pence, a thoroughly decent Christian who the Democrats won’t be able to lay a glove on, a conservative, middle-class candidate Americans won’t have to hold their noses to vote for.
Is that what you’re hoping for, Joe?
I sometimes think Trump cagily picked Pence as his running mate precisely because he represents his moral opposite.
Mueller is an ex-Marine now. He’s involved in a conspiracy of the left to stage a coup and, as such, is committing treason. His very appointment was illegal because there was no crime to investigate, and he knew that.
No matter what his prior service in the Marines, much of his later service was incompetent. Look at the anthrax thing. The Feds had to pay out over 5 million dollars to compensate the victim of Mueller’s idiocy. Like McCain, he isn’t worth the powder bullets required to execute him, but executed he should be.