Cherokee genealogist: none of the evidence supports Warren’s version

| March 14, 2018

The Washington Times reports that Cherokee genealogist Twila Barnes who has researched the story told by Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren about her Indian heritage says none of it adds up;

Ms. Barnes, who said her research into Ms. Warren’s family found “no evidence” of Native American ancestry, has challenged key elements of the senator’s tale of how her parents, Pauline Reed and Donald Herring, defied his parents by running off to marry.

“The problem with Warren’s story is that none of the evidence supports it,” said Ms. Barnes in a 2016 post on her Thoughts from Polly’s Granddaughter blog. “Her genealogy shows no indication of Cherokee ancestry. Her parents’ wedding doesn’t resemble an elopement. And additional evidence doesn’t show any indication of her Herring grandparents being Indian haters.”

Of course, that surprises no one, mostly because Massachusetts Senators have a history of being strangers to the truth.

While Ms. Warren may genuinely believe the story of her star-crossed parents, Ms. Barnes has argued that the documentation doesn’t back it up.

She cited the friendship between Grant Herring, Ms. Warren’s paternal grandfather, and Carnall Wheeler, who was listed on the Cherokee Nation roll and mocked in his Virginia Military Institute yearbook as an “aboriginal.”

Documents show that the two played golf together and that Mr. Wheeler attended a 25th anniversary party for the Herrings in 1936.

“Clearly, Wheeler experienced some degree of racism in his life due to his being Indian,” said Ms. Barnes. “Despite this, there is one person we know who did not have a problem associating with him — Grant Herring, the grandfather of Elizabeth Warren, the same grandfather she claims was racist against Indians.”

Of course, in this day and age, folks can be whoever they want to be, just by declaring it’s so despite any documentation. That’s why our Stolen Valor page is chocked full of phonies.

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  1. Ex-PH2 says:


    (That loud noise you heard was me falling down laughing. Startled the cats.) Thank the Gods of the Skeptics.

    Lizzie = 12 below 0

    Da Troot = 100%

  2. Hondo says:

    From the WT article:

    After Ms. Warren said in the Globe that her mother told her “nobody came to her wedding at all,” Ms. Barnes looked it up and found that her mother’s friend witnessed the ceremony, which was performed by a prominent Methodist clergyman, not a justice of the peace.

    “This marriage does not look like an elopement. It looks very much like a Depression-era marriage ceremony instead,” said Ms. Barnes in an August 2012 post. “Sometimes people didn’t have a lot of money to spend on a wedding so they just obtained their license, got married and then went back home.”

    She also found a detailed wedding announcement posted in the local newspaper in Wetumka, Oklahoma.

    “If Ms. Warren’s parents eloped due to her mother being ‘Cherokee and Delaware’ and it was such a disgrace, why did they rush back to Wetumka the same day they were married and proudly announce it to everyone?” asked Ms. Barnes. “If there was shame associated with the marriage and it caused so many problems, why was it happily announced in the local paper?”

    Liawatha? Certainly looks like it to me.

    • rgr769 says:

      Also, Ms. Barnes has laboriously searched the available records, which show that every ancestor of Liawatha was listed as white. And there is no question that race was an important aspect of a person’s identity in 1800’s. Plus, a living descendant of the only person in Warren’s Crawford family line who might have had some Cherokee blood took a DNA test several years ago and it came back negative for any Indian DNA. Ms. Barnes laid all that out in a recent post on her blog. The evidence is overwhelmingly against Fauxahontas; and she has no proof whatever to claim to be part Injun, period. Since she and her husband are multi-millionaires one would think they would just pay for a fake DNA test. If you are a very rich phony why not continue the fraud like some of our military phonies; did Bernasty and the DRG ever give it up? No, they had the “courage” of their convictions, just like ol’ Gunga Dan Blather.

  3. Arby says:

    I still hope Warren and Sanders run in 2020. they can use the slogan “Hatchet and Sickle 2020 – fooling the proletariat for decades.”

  4. OWB says:

    So it would be OK if I claim to be 5th in line for the crown of England?

    Oh, wait. No advantage there. No way to gain anything from it. And I certainly would never ascribe such a lie to my mother.

    Nope. Not going to make that claim, mainly because it just would not be the right thing to do.

  5. Roh-Dog says:

    I’m all for bashing this moron but there are more substantive issues with her. Her little baby, CFPB, was created under the guise of making financial companies more transparent and fairer. And like all ‘good government programs’ it just turned into a hammer for a dictator to extort money from businesses. One of the worst parts absolutely about Dodd/Frank and the CFPB, which Chief Warren here helped write and enact, is it was supposed to strengthen financial systems, preventing ‘Too Big To Fail’. Well, they did that…if your definition for ‘too big to fail’ includes taking a bunch of community banks, small lenders and weird financial products like derivatives and consolidating them into fewer banks.
    The stress tests were a f*cking joke. The only tangible effect they’ve had is providing reasons for banks to have economy of scale because of the penalties the CFPB is allowed to extort.
    Screw her and the sh*t government she helped create.

  6. Deckie says:

    You mean… she’s a lying POS?!?!

    Color me shocked.

  7. MCPO NYC USN Ret. says:

    PocaXXntas …

  8. 26Limabeans says:

    Her DNA was lost in the fire.

  9. Mason says:

    I knew she was lying because her mouth was moving.

    • 2/17 Air Cav says:

      Yes, but she talks through her ass so how does that work? Maybe she’s a ventriloquist.

  10. 2/17 Air Cav says:

    “Despite this, there is one person we know who did not have a problem associating with him — Grant Herring, the grandfather of Elizabeth Warren, the same grandfather she claims was racist against Indians.”

    For me, that’s the money line. She not only falsely claims Native American blood but paints her own blood as racist to solidify her victim hood. Despicable.

  11. AW1Ed says:

    Also known by her Cherokee name, Walking Dove.

    ‘Cause she’s too full of shit to fly.

  12. Daisy Cutter says:

    I heard some news commentary on this and they said that the conventional wisdom is that Warren did do a DNA test, but probably submitted under a different name. It most likely came back with a zero percentage chance for Native American blood or you would have seen her do a news conference.

    Heck, I did a DNA test for my mutt because I kept calling him part Dalmation and felt guilty that it may not be true. The results were completely unknown from one side of the family, and the other side had 50% unkwown and a munch of mixes, the largest % being Bloodhound.

    I’ve stopped claiming Dalmation but I’ve never gained financially or got laid for doing so in the past.

    • Ex-PH2 says:

      Stopped claiming Dalmation? Is that because they wouldn’t let you ride on the fire engine?

    • Jonn Lilyea says:

      I remember my great-grandmother (on my father’s mother’s side) and no one looks more Indian than she did. Even a picture of her as a teen shows her brown skin and straight black hair, but my DNA test came back negative for Indian blood, so who knows.

  13. USAF RET says:

    I found a feather……be right back, updating the old resume for that cushy Harvard gig. So long suckers!

    • Mason says:

      Funny you say that. I served with a guy who was part native. Aside from an astounding ability to hold his liquor and a $400 check he got from the tribe when he hit 18, all he has to show for it is a legally possessed bald eagle feather.

  14. MCPO NYC USN Ret. says:

    With your high cheeky bones and Indian heritage I offer you one word that you should know …


  15. Ex-PH2 says:

    I once knew a horned toad who swore he was a brontosaurus on his mother’s side.

  16. Graybeard says:

    Doubling down on the stupid is never a good strategy, but it seems that politicians (especially (D)’s) and Liberals are compulsive liars.

    Which fits the often repeated observation (I think by API?) that Liberalism is a mental disorder. These people need to be committed to a mental institution.

    • 2/17 Air Cav says:

      Hers is a stance I recognize from among career criminals: no matter what, never ever deviate from your story. Amateurs get tripped up by this all of the time. Once the slightest allowance or admission is made that there might be a hole in the story, it all comes apart.

      • HMC Ret says:

        2/17: Several LEOs I know, including a few detectives, over the years have told me to always ask for a lawyer if there is any possibility the cops like me for a crime. Also, they have all told me that the cops really don’t care what story a suspect tells them, they just want to get someone on a story. ANY story. They then pick apart any deviations during future interviews. So, say nothing but if/when I do, tell the truth in the presence of my lawyer. Variations of the initial story always cause problems. Best policy? Don’t do a crime.

  17. A Proud Infidel®™ says:

    Yes GB, liberalism is truly a Mental Disorder and i give you the deeds and words of libtards day after day as evidence. Just look at Fauxcahontas and how she keeps digging!

  18. That Guy says:

    Do you mean to tell me that Fauxcahontas is a liar?
    My God, I just don’t know how to deal with that.

  19. Dean A. Hoffman says:

    Senator Warren: Does “Custer” ring a bell..?

  20. The Other Whitey says:

    Is it really any surprise that the media has been reluctant to ask the Cherokee if Fauxcahontas is really one of theirs?

    • Ex-PH2 says:

      Umm, don’t you think that might be because they know the entire Cherokee nation, plus the Apache, the Navajo, the Lakota, the Paiute, the Blackfeet, the Flathead, the Crow, the Mohican and the Seminole would all fall down laughing themselves into exhaustion?

    • MSG Eric says:

      Maybe because they can’t get their noses out of the DNC’s ass, Cherokees don’t like going to visit the fake Washington Redskin, and reservations are too “icky” for the media’s high standard of living?

    • rgr769 says:

      The “Chief” of the Cherokee Nation won’t answer that question anyway because he is a self-avowed D-rat. Ms. Barnes has a photo of him with Liawatha. He just responds that Fauxahontas is a very strong supporter of the Native American community. Besides, her spirit animal is a wild swamp hog.

  21. Wilted Willy says:

    This lying bitch will never learn! Nobody even believes any of her Fauxahantis bullshit. It reminds me of the story of the young indian brave that went to the chief of the tribe insisting on learning why the tribe had given him his name? So the chief finally gave in and asked the young brave, “So, Two Dogs Fucking, why do you ask?”

  22. Michael Yates says:

    Both my wife and I heard stories about Indian blood all our lives but the DNA said nope but Scandinavia showed up without a clue


    Take that Puke-a-squawn-tus of the Wann-a-be Tribe!


      Although…… I served with this guy Mike who was so blonde and blue he could have stepped out of a pre-war SS recruitment poster.
      And HE had an Indian Status card!
      Please note: The Canadian definition of Status Indian is much more narrow than America’s.

  24. Veritas Omnia Vincit says:

    When I did my DNA it actually came back with a small percentage of Native American DNA attached to it. However being mostly German/Danish pretending to be a Native American seems wrong on pretty much every level I can think of, consequently I don’t make a big deal out of it.

    I think the DNA testing is interesting because it provides a glimpse into the past, but I’m never certain that navel gazing into the past provides a true benefit for the future.

    As a Baystater I’ve never voted for this liar who claims to be the first woman of color to teach at Harvard, well today of course she claims she has “no idea” how anyone could ever have gotten the idea she considered herself a person of color…except the folks quoted learned their stories from Warren herself. She was prominently displayed in the Harvard Crimson and a Fordham piece as the first women of color hired on at Harvard…Warren sidesteps all of the questions that surround those articles.

    She’s a horrible senator, brings nothing interesting to the legislative branch and she’s a liar….but she is a Democrat and this fucking state loves them some corrupt full of shit Democrats….

    • Roh-Dog says:

      You think Mass has it bad, I raise you a CT.
      You know it’s bad when we’re losing businesses to Taxachusetts.

      • Veritas Omnia Vincit says:

        I keep my boat in CT in Westport, I’m somewhat familiar with the tax laws in CT these days and my fellow boaters are happy to keep me up to speed…I feel your pain, somewhat lesser these days apparently as Malloy has gone full dipshit on you folks.

        • Roh-Dog says:

          Boat in Westport…you fancy, huh? J/k.
          I’m surprised anyone that makes 7 figures stays here, save for schools, family, a job that can’t telecommute (which is near nil these days). Hell, with redistribution under Commissar Malloy I wouldn’t be shocked if we loose the entire income tax base in a decade.
          Ever seen a ship sink? It takes a while, until it doesn’t.

  25. Reaperman says:

    Claiming racial preference is a bit slimy, IMO, even when it is properly rated, but whatever. I have a much bigger problem with somebody who’d profit by dragging a presumably dead family member’s reputation down, seemingly unnecessarily. I am unable to compute how one would justify that internally.

    I’d previously figured it was a case of judging ancestors by modern standards, which is bad enough, but this story makes it seem much more deliberate.

  26. AnotherPat says:

    If you have time, this is very interesting about Warren’s Family tree:

    Also recommend reading the Blogger’s Home page that addresses Warren’s claims (click the menu in the Blog).

    • Mason says:

      Those are some amazingly well researched articles. I’ve seen capstone papers that weren’t researched and annotated as well.

      Yet the MSM still refuses to call her on that BS, calls it her “native american problem”, and casually refers to it like it’s only crazy old Trump saying she isn’t native. Snopes lists it as “mixture” that the memes claim she is claiming Indian heritage and getting a job based on it.

    • rgr769 says:

      Tucker Carlson had Twila Barnes (the author of the above website) on his show last night. She again conclusively refuted the bogus story that Warren’s paternal grandfather hated Indians and half-breeds, like Warren’s mother. Based on all the contemporaneous documents, like the newspaper report of Grandpa’s Cherokee friend of over 25 years attending Grandpa’s 25th wedding anniversary party just four years after Liawatha’s parents were married. Proof her grandparents did not hate Indians, the supposed reason for their claimed opposition to her parents marriage. Notably, her parents (including the supposed half-breed mom) were also in attendance at the party.

  27. OldSoldier54 says:

    This idiot isn’t any more a Cherokee than I am a direct descendant of Belisarius.

  28. Rosalee A Adams says:

    The real clue here is she refuses to provide any documentation to back up her
    ‘I just be Native American’ claim
    Lizzie reminds me of loudmouths who claim they served
    yet can provide no DD214 nor names of any who served with them…and can verify
    Just a lot of elbow bending at their local
    American Legion post