LTG Mark Hertling on the AR-style rifle

| March 1, 2018

CNN decided to take retired Lieutenant General Mark Hertling to the range. LTG Hertling was an armor officer, also trained in Air Defense Artillery. He has six Bronze Star Medals (all for merit, not a one for valor). He was awarded a Purple Heart in Desert Storm according to Wiki – I don’t know how that happens to a major who is the Squadron S-3 in a Cavalry unit, but there it is.

Somehow he earned a Combat Action Badge while he was the Commanding General of the 1st Armored Division in Iraq. If your commanding general is involved in a combat action, something has gone wrong.

You can tell by his shooting stance that he’s not real familiar with firing an AR style rifle. He’s pretty dramatic at making the recoil look stronger than it really is.

I’m at a loss to explain what “full semi-automatic” means.

I don’t own AR-style rifles to look “cool” or “look like a soldier”, General. I was cool before I owned one and I was a soldier while you were still a cadet.

He says some ignorant bullshit about people who want should be able to buy them, but the rifle should be kept out of the “wrong hands”. I guess he wants to be on the council that determines “wrong hands”.

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IDC SARC

I laughed out loud when he displayed his awesome tight body position and mastery of the weapon. 🙂

My daughter handles an AR-15 better than general chickenwing.

Haywire Angel

Where is his Sergeant Major to keep him out of trouble? Bueller? Bueller? Anyone??

desertd

I think the A.H. is CNN puppet and if they pay him enough will SAY ANYHING!

Mason

That is the weakest rifle stance I’ve seen since basic. He should be ashamed of himself.

He looks like a wacky waving inflatable arm flailing tube man.

LTC F

Funny. When he shot on my range when he was the COG at NTC he didn’t make firing 5.56 look like firing .458 WIN MAG. Almost as if he’s faking it for effect.

Ret_25X

well, his masters told him to make it look scary, so he did.

I don’t think he is necessarily a bad guy, but general officers selling their souls to political goals is nothing new.

Graybeard

Lieutenant General Mark Hertling: proof positive that there are stupid, useless, and self-aggrandizing Officers in the U.S. Army.

LTG Mark Hertling, I have granddaughters who can handle an AR15 better than your sorry self.

OldManchu

Lol. So true!

7711C20

Somehow I do not think that was the way he was taught on the live fire range, he either missed the instruction, forgot or is a complete media whore.

Graybeard

I’ll take “All of the above” for $1,000, Alex.

David

My five year old granddaughter shoots with better form. Hard to believe so many lies in one segment.

Ex-PH2

Well, I have never had my hands on an AR-15, and have no experience with such a piece of machinery, but I believe I could do better than he does with some retired Army or Marine Corp guy yelling at me ‘get your booger hook off the bang switch, dadburnit!’

Ret_25X

He was always a politicized minion. He would shove a shovel up his own ass if his masters told him to.

The retired GO/FO crowd represent one of the greatest threats to civil rights in the USA.

Graybeard

“Somehow he earned a Combat Action Badge while he was the Commanding General of the 1st Armored Division in Iraq. If your commanding general is involved in a combat action, something has gone wrong.”

A self-decorating politicized minion as well.

I think anyone with any real-world experience can see that the only way the Commanding General gets a CIB is because he told someone to get it for him because he heard a gun go off on the firing range one time.

Bobo

Kind of like GEN Petraeus’ CAB and BSM w/”V”. The GOs gotta take care of each other.

BTW, the orders for both awards are on Dave P’s Wikipedia page incase you want to get a good laugh.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Petraeus

T1B

It is interesting that on his orders for the CAB, the reason cited is “For Meritorious Service.”

Didn’t know that was a qualifying act, even for the CAB.

Graybeard

Maybe she really liked how he rode her?

MSG Eric

Well as hot as she was, he still put his career in imminent danger riding her, so there’s that.

I suppose that couldn’t be put on the official order.

AZtoVA

CAB (not CIB) requirements are a joke. Anyone within hearing range of an explosion rates one. Most likely his FOB received a random bottle-rocket fired off of a piece of angle-iron with a car jack for elevation adjustment and everyone on base at the time got one.

Stacy0311

War Story alert.
Current deployment to undisclosed Middle East location (Okay, it’s Baghdad)
IDF hits just outside the FOB, against the T-wall.

CAB submitted for everyone (not sure if it was approved, probably not because there’s been no official word).

A couple of mils to the right and they would’ve been able to shut this place down by taking out the Green Bean.

I slept through it and only found out about it the next day. So much for 100% accountability…

SFC D

2005 at LSA Anaconda, Bn Commander announces that “you don’t get a CAB just because the compound gets mortared”. Yet somehow, him and the CSM both went home sporting them.

SSG Kane

That’s because they did a ninja patrol, that consisted of just them, a couple of GO’s and their aids, and a cook. (Always bring a cook, always).

They crept out of the wire, did some haji bombs (plumb brandy dropped into a glass of near bear), and wiped out an Al Queda training camp with nothing but their bayonets and big swinging dicks.

rgr769

True story. Once upon a time, far far away, in the Viet of the Nam, there was an infantry Bn. CSM (ex staff REMF) who was awarded a CIB because he said a RPG rocket flew in one open door and and out the other of his Huey on a CA (helo combat assault) with no damage. All the infantrymen who got off the birds said it was a cold LZ, and the crew said likewise and it didn’t happen. Our Bn Commander (who was also an ex-REMF from the Pentagon) signed off on it. I am sure he wrangled a CIB for himself after I left and before the war ended. (Note: I didn’t write “this is no shit.”)

Messkit

SFC D, 2005 I was assigned to Dco 181,at the NECP. We were also the QRF. We were a constant focus for many of the rockets and mortars that came in. We also took small arms fire randomly. A few Purple Hearts were given, and too many locals died at the gate.

We received the CAB, despite not being in our MOS. Hell, I was a 91K, and was made motor SGT, while running 3rd Platoon on the gate! I also was tagged to drive the bus past the burn pit to the NECP.

Never did get to swim in that pool.

GiGirl

Preach! Been there! 🤣🤣🤣

SSG Kane

In 2008 they weren’t a joke. Well they were, but for reasons different that your post implies.

We were on a patrol 25th INF in Baqubah. The patrol took fire, rounds pinging off our MRAP, our gunner is engaging. IED goes off, shit looks like its turning into a complex ambush, but given all the Ma Duece fire and the aggressive response of the patrol elements the ambush is pushed back.

No CAB for us, because we were not “actively engaged in the duties of your MOS”.

A few months later, we are on patrol with 172nd INF sweeping a village, when an IED goes off destroying TALON (the engineers bomb robot). Because we were conducting loudspeaker operations, even though we weren’t in the direct blast area we were awarded a CAB. Another PSYOP team on teh same patrol got nanda, they weren’t broadcasting at the time.

I understand the intent of the guidence (that you had to be conducting the duties of your MOS), which was to stop them from being handed out like candy, but man, some common sense would have been nice.

CCO

Could you repeat that because it made no sense to me at; disregard, I’ve lost my ability to read bureaucrat.

There’s got to be a better way to define “getting shot at by the enemy while doing something you were suppose to be doing” than “engaged in your MOS specific duties.” How about just adding in something like “your MOS specific duties OR common soldier tasks (as defined in FM x-xy##)”?

Graybeard

There you go, making sense again. No wonder they won’t let you re-up.

SSG Kane

Having lived it, it still makes no sense to me.

The original Close Combat Badge (CCB) which was proposed was an award for soliders who were not infantry but who engaged the enemy in close combat (rifle range) while conducting infantry tasks.

Somehow when it went from the CCB to the CAB the requirement changed to soldiers who were not infantry but who were engaged by the enemy and who performed satisfactorily and in accordance with the ROE.

So they got handed out like candy. Hence the crack down in 2008.

I’m not sure what the current status is, so I don’t know if the pendulm has swung back or not.

But I earned mine and wear it with pride. Well, pride and confusion.

rgr769

Seems like if one was burning shit for the shitter or the Mess SGT was supervising the cooking and a mortar round hit somewhere outside the wire, they would get CAB’s, with that definition.

Twist

I was on that deployment with 1/25 SBCT. If you ever did a patrol with the folks from COP Zaganiya it was probably my Platoon that escorted you.

SSG Kane

With the 25th we were mostly with 1/5 inf and 2/4 and 2/2 FA out of Warhorse. COP Zaganiya was the school right?

USMCMSgt (Ret)

“Self-decorating politicized minion…”

I don’t know what the regs are for GO’s, but I suspect he hasn’t been to the range in a decade or two.

If he’s a self-decorator, there’s no reason to believe he would qualify on the range like the rest of the Army does… “waivers” or whatever.

Loser.

timactual

I learned long ago to discount awards and decorations by factoring in rank. Orficers get Bronze Stars w/V for showing up, Legion of Merit for not getting caught, etc. An officer with a Silver Star may have earned a Bronze Star, more likely an ARCOM.

OldManchu

I have a friend with an Arcom from Ramadi 2004. He was an E-3 at the time and damn well should have been awarded a bronze star with V.

Some of his officers were awarded such during the tour and didn’t perform half of what his action entailed.

Carlton G. Long

In the movie “Command Decision,” the NCOIC tells a reporter (who had a beef with the CO and was hypothesizing that the CO might be relieved), “Ain’t no commander ever been relieved without they give him the Legion of Merit.”

Sure enough, when the CO (Clark Gable) does get relieved (in order to be given a bigger assignment), his commander says, “I’m putting you in for the Legion of Merit.”

Bobo

Another reason why the tankers are issued pistols and should stay from anything away anything that isn’t connected to a turret.

I’m guessing that the last time he qualified on a rifle it was an M-16A1 and his 1SG brought along his size 5.56 pencil when he scored the target.

SFC D

Easy to catch “shooters” that pencil-punch a paper target. Press the paper down flat and smooth it with your hand. Pencil holes close up, bullet holes don’t.

Dinotanker

Thanks Bobo! I was going to say; M16 what? With that said, at Ft Knox in Disneyland back in the late 70’s us 19E had to qualify with the M16, I believe it was the A1. We also had to qualify with the good old M1911A, hand grenade, and familiarize fire the M3A1 grease gun a true thudder and it was recognized even by us FNG’s that you were pretty well screwed if you found yourself using this.

YEP we also had to qualify with all the weaponry in the turret. An M60A1 provides your standard tanker with an incredible shooting stance due to the weight of the tank. Perhaps the good general was thinking he was firing a 105mm gun as opposed to the 5.56 mm. The recoil of a 105 is cool as hell. 🙂

Someone up above asked why officers don’t wear their qualification badges…hmmm after I was commissioned in March of 84 I ran across officers doing both. The officers I thought were cool armored cavalry guys DID NOT wear their qualification badges, but were the first up to qualify with both crew served and individual weapons. They set the example for their soldier by being able to do what they were asking their men to do. I did my best to emulate the badgeless.

The general in this article isn’t a good example of the armored force. IMHO.

Graybeard

“The general in this article isn’t a good example.”
FIFY

rgr769

I was told that officers didn’t wear them because we were supposed to all be qualified expert, but I think the fact many can’t qualify for anything above Marksman, if that, is more likely. The General here most likely hasn’t had to qualify with a rifle since he was an LT or maybe an O-3. When I was a range officer for our brigade’s rifle quals, I never saw any field grade shoot, ever. I imagine if necessary, some NCO pencil-whipped it for them while they were back in HQ.

AW1Ed

Navy for “pencil whipped” is “gun decked.” Appropriate, no?

UpNorth

I never once saw my company commanders qualify. But, they qualified expert every time.

Dinotanker

Good God rgr769!! I might have been crap as officer, but I always did what I was asking my guys to do, before they had to do it. Usually led to me getting an ass chewing from the XO or the S3.

rgr769

Me, too. I was taught to lead by example and I tried to demonstrate I would and could do most things I expected my men to do. That is why I went out twice with my LRRP teams, even though it put me out of the loop my job required for several days.

Mayhem

I believe you and I probably crossed paths a long time ago. I was the Medic for a lot of the Armored Officer Gunnery Courses at Ft Knox 1982 -1985.

Dinotanker

Mayhem, I was there for AOBC in late 84 early 85. I believe the class number was AOB 18-84, but I will look at the class picture to verify. We had two Jordanians and one Yemeni officer is our class. My class was full of a bunch of prior enlisted dudes and fresh off the boat ROTC graduates. We were about half active duty and half USAR or ARNG guys.

There was a MSC LT (or CPT) who came in to give the class on nutrition. She emphasized pizza containing all the food groups and if you drank alcohol you should eat pizza. I think I was in lust.

We probably were in the same area, especially if you were working at Holder. Wow, this brings back some memories…LOL

I hope that life is being good to you.

I also hung out at Disneyland for 19E OSUT in the summer and fall of 1979. I was in A-1-1. Half of our barracks were army guys the other half were the Marine tankers.

Atkron

I somehow get the feeling this guy used to hang out in his office with binoculars gazing at all the young men taking showers across the way.

I’d tell him to go eat a bag of dicks, but it looks like he already got a head start.

Like Stripes, but not.

Green Thumb

I wonder if he was gazing pout of an All-Points Logistics office?

Nastyleg

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UgPmWopkVF4
Nothing further your honor

Lurker Curt

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!

rgr1480

Oh.My.God! He is GREAT!

Loved the one about stolen valor:

CPT11A

There’s so much fucked up stuff about this segment, nobody even mentions the bit about the AR-15 being the precursor to the M4.

It’s amazing that liberals can’t even be bothered to learn this stuff. Then they want to talk about how discussions on gun jargon are distractions.

Well, we’re not the ones who think banning bayonet lugs and telescoping stocks will impact gun crime…

Mick

They also want to ban those scary ‘big banana clips that hold a lot of bullets’, scary ‘flash processors’, and those scary ‘things that go up at the back’.

If they can ban those scary things, then all gun crime will stop, and nothing will be scary anymore.

Everyone knows that.

Mason

He said he’ll fire it on “full semi-auto”. That’s where I turned it off. After watching him fire with a weak stance. He then admits he won’t hit the target, but he fires off five shots at a rate anyone with basic rifle marksmanship should be able to put center mass.

I’m not going to put all three rounds in burst mode into the ten ring, but they’ll be on the fricken paper! He didn’t even fire at burst fire rates.

CPT11A

Yeah, the whole video was unbearably fucked.

AW1Ed

The facts while interesting, are not relevant.

Mick

‘I guess he wants to be on the council that determines “wrong hands”.’

a.k.a. The Democratic Party Politburo.

SFC D

FT Jackson, NOV 1987. In order to demonstrate the nearly non-existent recoil of the M16A1, a female Drill Sergeant placed the butt of the weapon directly against her genital region, fired a full 30rd mag on full auto, cleared the weapon, and turned to the assembled awe-struck privates with a very sweet sexy smile. She exercised much better control of the weapon than LTG Hertling did.

Here ended the lesson.

rgr1480

I’d pay to see that!

Demonstrator ….. POST!

Retired Grunt

Jesus, private retired grunt, being the youngest member of his basic training class, did the same thing. Just one round, not the whole magazine. I WAS nervous but it did not hurt. M16 A2 it could have been an A1 but I believe it was an A2, I seem to remember the thicker barrel.

MrFace

With the vibrations of the small recoil, I would think the lass had the ride of her life.

Cheers,
MrFace

Graybeard

Hence the smile.

MrFace

😀

ChipNASA

PICS/VIDEO OR IT DIDN’T HAPPEN!!!!!

/google has nothing.

🙁 😉 😀

SFC D

It’s seared, seared into my brain 😉

Ex-PH2

1987 videos are difficult to find, something to with frame rate or something.

E4 Mafia For Life.

One of my drill sergeants demonstrated holding an M-60 stock over his twigs and berries then firing a few belts.
Not something I would do. All of us men folk here know the catastrophic pain of receiving just a flick of a finger on your nutsack.

SSG Kane

FT Lenoard Wood, 1992. Male drill sergeant did the same thing while all of us privates stood and discretely crossed our legs. He also boasted that he’d qualified like that once, though I don’t see how he shot from the prone like that.

Used to be still serving

I know some full bird surgeons who somehow ended up with combat action ribbons. I think they have their units pencil whip the paper work. What a joke……

OWB

Not saying that it happens with any degree of frequency now, but there was a time when it was far from unheard of. Lots of Viet of the Nam vets came home, attended college to became docs, engineers, attorneys, and all sorts of professionals. Some of them returned to service with all their previously earned awards, of course.

Old Dog

He wasn’t forced out during the Obama purge. That’s all you need to know about him.

Old Trooper

I made it 4 seconds into the video before I couldn’t take anymore.

WTF is going on around here!?!? You’ve got the Tide Pod generation suddenly packed full of wisdom on gun control measures. You’ve got an anti-gun, leftist media using bullshit opinions and sharing bullshit videos in the hopes of swaying the ignorant masses.

Jonn; you’ve been to the Hillbilly Hunt Club with us. Tell me that you didn’t see that kind of fucked up weapons handling from any of us (and most of us had been out for 20 years) as this dude is doing.

AW1Ed

The video, words fail me.

rgr769

I won’t watch the video, but it sounds like he is reacting to the recoil the same way our firearms firing hero, Gersh Kuntzman (now unemployed), did.

Fyrfighter

Cunt Gershman? yep, sounds about right

Tim

Was an intel officer in Iraq when he was the 1AD commander. His section of MSR Tampa in MND-N was the WORST section of road in all of Iraq. When my CG briefed that to the MNNC-I commander at that time, Hertling lost his shit! Couldn’t take the criticism.

Graybeard

Can’t seem to find my surprised face. Sorry.

Aysel

this doesn’t surprise me in the least

Dapandico

He qualified with the #2 pencil from Browning, Montana

Muqdadiyah19D

He needs to tuck that stinkin’ elbow in.

My 9 year old son noticed that.

And does he have Parkinson’s? Hold that weapon with some balls, man, quit shaking. What a horrible example of a “general.”

The Other Whitey

How long has it been since the Chickenwing was taught as proper shooting form? 40 years? 50? I know it was a thing in WWII, as my Garand tech manual demonstrates, but we’ve come a long way since then.

Ex-PH2

I had to turn the sound off to get to the part where he fired the rifle, but I wondered what he was doing with it. Then I realized that he’s like those dopes I used to teach basic horseback riding to, when I was trying to support my bad equestrian habit by cleaning stalls, cleaning tack and giving lessons to people who flapped both elbows just like this stick figure guy, especially at the posting trot.

I wish I had videos of it. It was like watching a flock of gooney birds getting ready for takeoff.

When summer comes, I will go to a shooting range that I know rents stuff to you and ask if they give lessons even if you don’t have a gun. If they say ‘Why, yes… yes, we do,’ then I will happily pay to have some proper instruction.

timactual

I was just thinking, you can’t tell those guys apart without the soundtrack. You didn’t miss anything worth hearing, though.

Graybeard

Amen and Amen.
Get proper instruction early and often.

I was blessed to be born a Texas boy with a Dad who grew up in the country and knew how to shoot.
He taught us early and taught us well.

The grandkids are being trained up correctly now, and they can outshoot this sorry excuse for an LTG.

Fyrfighter

Yep, wife and son do far better than any of these excuses for humanity… daughter was trained right, but growing up with her mother, and conversing with my idiot leftist (but i repeat myself) siblings, she’s become a leftist idiot… i bow my head in shame….

AW1Ed

Remember, Ex. Center, heels down, and calm hands. You’ll do just fine.

*grin*

Ex-PH2

Thank you!

O-4E

A Clintonista through and through

The Other Whitey

This nation once produced leaders like Patton, Pershing, and Puller. Now we get the likes of this guy, Wesley Clark, and (master)Bateman. What happened?

11B-Mailclerk

Patton was an Olympian, representing the US in Modern Pentathalon at the 1912 games.

Fyrfighter

though to be fair, during the “bonus riots” after WW I, he was an ass… other than that Patton is a hero!

O-4E

Not to mention the dude is a PhysEd major

The Other Whitey

Ben Shapiro beautifully ripped this guy to shreds.

CPT11A

FWIW, Hertling did say people should be able to buy AR-15s.

He then noted the problem is when they fall into the wrong hands.

Which makes his whole commentary pointless. Good people have the right to buy this gun, but bad people shouldn’t be able to.

An argument the NRA would fully endorse.

2/17 Air Cav

I’ll take your word for that since I can’t bring myself to watch the video. What special insights into increasing school safety do any of these jokers offer? As the grieving parent of a Parland victim so well said yesterday, it’s not about guns, it’s about keeping kids in school safe.

CPT11A

They don’t have any special insight. They don’t want to stop gun violence- if they did, they’d drive around Baltimore and try to figure out why 300+ people are going to be shot to death there this year, despite a relatively low population. But that wouldn’t be as fun.

I guess it’s like Joseph Stalin said- “17 white kids shot in the suburbs is a tragedy. 700 black kids shot in Chicago is a statistic.”

rgr769

What appalls me is that any kid or adult who has access to a pistol and a half a dozen magazines can do the same thing any afternoon at any school. He won’t need to be walking around in body armor, a mask, and carrying bags large enough to house a rifle. Why is no one concerned about that?. And it is already “illegal” for anyone under 21 to buy a pistol. I think this whole thing is an anti-gun PR move and political campaign.

Sparks

If I had taken a standing fire position stance like he did when I was qualifying, I would have had my ass smoked until it bled.

Old Trooper

Yep. My DI would have had a stroke from screaming at me.

Veritas Omnia Vincit

We had a couple of DI’s who would have put you on the ground standing like that…

Old Trooper

Why does everyone think that the “AR” is so “powerful”? I have several weapons that are far more “powerful” than my AR.

Aysel

I own a rifle that’s much more powerful than an AR style rifle. Daddy built it for me for my 16th birthday.

Fyrfighter

In my state, an AR (.223) isn’t considered powerful enough for deer sized game, which last time i checked, is similar to an adult human… so someone is confused..

Old Trooper

Same with mine

MCPO NYC USN Ret.

My 11 year old has a more effective stance.

ChipNASA

I could handle a weapon better hands free, with my *penis* than this clown.

Green Thumb

Three-Star Clown.

RCAF-CHAIRBORNE

I dub thee, General Mistake.

smoke-check

Hang on. I was always told that only Colonel and below were authorized CIBs. I would think the criteria for CABs would be the same. How TF did this guy get a CAB as a General officer?

*FOIA FOIA FOIA FOIA FOIA FOIA FOIA FOIA FOIA*

Andy11M

I don’t think the CAB has those restrictions. I believe for the CIB you must be at the Brigade level and lower, which is why you think it’s COL and below. I don’t think that is the case for the CAB. Also, despite what the official narrative says, that a person must be in direct combat with the enemy, really the only req for a CAB is to set foot in a combat zone and hear a mortar round land on the other side of the FOB. Then a blanket award is issued for everyone in the unit.

smoke-check

If we didn’t know the CAB worthless before…

USAFRetired

Apparently he was S3 of 1-1 Calv during DS/DS

The 1-1 Cavalry was cited for its role in the Battle of Medina Ridge, where Hertling was wounded in action.

BlueCord Dad
Veritas Omnia Vincit

Who was his range instructor? Gersh Kuntzman?

Old Trooper
Andy11M

Jonn, his CAB is just like all of those Bronze Stars for service, just a check the block. I knew the CAB would just become a shiny combat patch when they announced it. Every officer and SNCO afraid they won’t be competitive when their packet goes before that next board, so it’s a blanket order for everyone in the unit, from the S1 puke who spent all day online, all the way up to the BC and CSM. I used to say that CAB stood for Crybabies and Bitches, because that’s for who the award was created to appease.

radar

The reporter’s shooting is even funnier.

MSG Eric

But the reporter has the benefit of being a whiny liberal douchebag who never touched a gun before, except his boyfriend’s.

General Shmuck Hertling should know. He should know. That’s why he’s the funnier looking one.

Just another CNN shill because the 180 grand a year he gets for pension isn’t enough for him.

nbcguy54ACTUAL

Nobody (especially a General) retires suddenly and quietly unless they have stepped on something better kept in their pants:
https://www.stripes.com/news/hertling-leaves-usareur-without-fanfare-retires-1.196405

rgr769

He musta done something embarrassing because he was replaced by a Boozer.

J.M.

I think Hertling is a POS for this bullshit, but his CAB is legit. When he was asst div cdr for 1AD, in 03-04, I saw his uparmored humvee came back to the div toc covered in holes and marks from IEDS on two occasions.

The rest of us in the DIV HQ (anyone not riding with with a general or DIV CSM) in the same company had to ride the same roads almost everyday in canvas top humvees with no doors, but that’s another story.

But I lost all respect after he took over USAREUR, promised to clean up the shitty leadership in Germany, then ignored an entire BDE because the BDE CDR was married to Tommy Franks daughter.

It’s a shame. Just like Dempsey, I respected the hell out him after seeing him up close for a year in the 1AD DIV TOC in Iraq. And just like Dempsey, he turns out to be a political POS.

lily

Jonn, Iraq wasn’t exactly a WW2 style battlefield. So I can see how a commanding General driving down the street could have been fired at and had to fire back, earning him the CAB. It’s unusual, but not as a big of a shocker as you make it out to be. And to claim that he doesn’t have much experience firing an AR15 style rifle is some major gaslighting towards your readers. Do you really think they’re stupid enough to believe a General with multiple combat deployments wouldn’t have ever fired a AR15 style rifle much? You really went weird this time Lilyea.

Ret_25X

Yes…it is very likely to be true. Most Generals NEVER fire a rifle of any type. In fact, most officers NEVER fire a rifle.

which is why there are so many amusing stories about officers on the range…

Besides…

It is not their job.

lily

Well I wasn’t a REMF so I wouldn’t know if most officer never fired a rifle. Most of the ones I saw fired a rifle many times. And judging by the fact that LTG Hertling was in a combat MOS, he most likely fired a rifle.

rgr769

No you weren’t a REMF because you never served. Your lingo says you never spent a day in the Army. Prove me wrong, send your redacted DD214 to Jonn.

lily

I already told you to send post yours first and then I’ll think about it. You can tell by my lingo? You’re terrible. What are veterans supposed to sound like? Tell us all so we know how to sound to fit your stereotypes. Last I looked not all veterans weren’t right wing types like you.

Old Trooper

I provided mine in person to Jonn, TSO, and Mr. Wolf. Along with many other records from my time in. We were all laughing because Jonn pulled out my CIF sheet from basic and everyone was wondering why I still had it. Plus it showed off my massive ribbon rack (that’s sarcasm, btw)!

NHSparky

Jonn also has mine.

rgr769

Who here thinks this little snot-weasel troll was an infantryman? Bet everything he knows about the Army he learned from the internet, videos, and games. He is apparently clueless that G.O.’s don’t even carry rifles.

rgr769

Any officer firing his rifle in combat isn’t doing his job or his position is about to be over-run. That is why at one point the French Army only allowed its officers to be armed with a swagger stick. Combat officers fight their unit, not pull triggers.

lily

Your little fantasies that you can’t back up with anything but your own ass aren’t believable. See I’m not arguing with you, but I’m posting facts for the viewers of TAH so they can see people like you are full of shit. If George S. Patton was listening to you he’d be rolling over in his grave right now.

General George S. Patton fired his pistols in combat –

As to the question of why he carried two revolvers, rather than just one, it is well known that as a young man he was part of General Pershing’s “Punitive Expedition” into Mexico to hunt down the infamous Pancho Villa. And, on 14 May, 1914, during one of those expeditionary forays, he came under fire while leading a caravan of three vehicles to obtain food for his troops. The band of “Villistas” attempted to flee on horseback. Patton was armed with his own Colt SAA .45 revolver. Back then he carried it with the hammer down on an empty chamber, hence only five rounds.

During the firefight he emptied the weapon, some believe three times. In a subsequent letter to his father, Patton wrote, “I fired five times with my new pistol and one of them ducked back into the house. I found out later that this was Cardenes and that I had hit both he and his horse.” Captain Julio Cardenes was a member of the Pancho Villa gang of thugs, and was second in command, when he was shot by then Lieutenant George S. Patton. Patton then carved a notch in his revolver’s handgrips, and removed Cardenes’ spurs as souvenirs. Those spurs, by the way, are now in the Museum of WWII in Natick, Massachusetts.

http://www.guns.com/2011/06/17/the-known-and-lesser-known-carry-guns-of-george-s-patton/

NHSparky

As you’ve been so quick to note, this ain’t WWII, sugartits.

Jeff LPH 3, 63-66

I just got home and now on the above post. Are the ribbons that are on his uniform legit, and does he have a position at the TAH starting gate. Looks like it takes a liberal to work with cnn.

OWB

Anyone interested in a list of all the books I’ve read?

Didn’t think so.

Ex-PH2

I have tons of books, too, some of them dating back to 1850. (Thanks, great-Grandpa!)

I find them fascinating.

Someone else might not.

RCAF-CHAIRBORNE

Naw….. .30-06 was a powerful rifle cartridge, so is the 7.62×51. Even BP .45-70/ Trapdoor combo is ‘powerful .
5.56 AR’s are not by any stretch.

jeff monroe

I have a CIB from Iraq 2007-08 and don’t know much much about CAB rules,but to earned the CIB you can only be in the ranks of E-1 to 0-6 and be directly engaged with the enemy.

Skippy

I can’t believe I missed this post. I was laughing so hard while I was
Watching this I lost my red bull drink…
no disrespect but some people will do anything for money
This would be a case in point

ALVO

I finally decided to subject myself to this dreck. Sorry SIR, you are just a shill, and a hack…I’m hoping none/not too many troopers lost their lives or limbs while you were “in charge” due to your obvious lack of A FUCKING CLUE!!