“The 15:17 to Paris” and the critics

| February 8, 2018

We talked about the latest Clint Eastwood film, “The 15:17 to Paris” last year. It’s about the three Americans, Spencer Stone, Alek Skarlatos and Anthony Sadler, who thwarted a lone-wolf terrorist attack on a train from Brussels to Paris. The trio star as themselves in the movie which spends an inordinate amount of time telling the story of the men before their heroic efforts on the train, according to critics, reports AFP;

“We thought the projectionist had put on the wrong film for the first quarter of an hour,” said the Parisien newspaper, which bemoaned how the veteran director took an hour and 15 minutes to recount the friends’ “tedious” childhoods as devout Catholics in California.

Only in the final “incredible, hyper-tense 10 minutes” does “The 15:17 to Paris” take off, said critic Renaud Baronian when Spencer Stone, Alek Skarlatos and Anthony Sadler overpower a Moroccan jihadist armed with an AK-47 on the Paris-bound train from Amsterdam carrying more than 500 passengers.

Others were slightly less damning, with one critic lamenting that “an incredible story does not make a good film” and that “the movie gets stuck in the station,” while Culturebox said with biting irony that “it was not going to revolutionise cinema.”

The Figaro newspaper, however, praised it, although it admitted it “does not play the suspense card”.

Yeah, well, the actual terror attack only lasted minutes, so what could Eastwood use to fill a 90 minute film other than tell the story of three Americans who saved the lives of hundreds of Europeans on a spur of the moment decision, out of a sense of duty to humanity?

From Roger Friedman, a more charitable review;

You know, I’m Jewish and liberal, so “patriotic” and “Christian” aren’t two of the things I warm to in movies necessarily. But Eastwood’s take on these real life heroes is not simplistic. The real life people playing themselves as heroes on the train from Amsterdam to Paris– I was braced for a bad movie. And I will say, it starts slowly and it’s totally not what you expect. Nevertheless, if you’re patient with it, you quickly realize several things.

First of, the real guys are not bad. I’ve seen worse. Compared to Louis CK’s unreleased “I Love You, Daddy,” the acting and writing here is Shakespearean.

Second, Eastwood– as he did in “American Sniper” and “Sully”– lays out their stories and backgrounds objectively. I’m already seeing in some reviews some idea that Eastwood is pushing a religious agenda or whatever. Nonsense. He’s accurately depicting these people. The mothers of the guys are religious– this is what they believe, it’s their right. No one is mocking them or judging them. This is who they are. And kudos to Jenna Fischer and Judy Greer for finding the mothers’ dimensions.

If there’s a problem with “15:17” it’s that it’s almost filmed like cinema verite, certainly as the story unfolds. There’s a lot of exposition and it seems slow. Again, a little patience wouldn’t hurt anyone. Because when the kids’ backstories switch to the main guys, Eastwood finds a groove. Forgive him if the entry seems clunky.

So the French critics don’t like a film about Americans. Big surprise.

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JBUSMC

I still can’t believe they played themselves.

Mason

That was my thought. I’m surprised it even came up. It’s definitely novel, with the exception of Audie Murphy, has anyone else portrayed their own heroics on screen?

Claw

Other than Audie, maybe the closest would be Harold Russell who played Homer Parrish in “The Best Years Of Our Lives.”

Russell lost both his arms while making a Navy training film and was one of only two non-actors who received an Oscar for their portrayal.

Claw

Oops, strike the Navy training film.

It was an Army training film.

Mea Culpa.

Messkit

Act Of Valor, starred Navy SEALs doing Navy Seal shit…including live ammo in the fast boat scenes.

2/17 Air Cav

Frogs. You can’t live with them and…you can’t live with them. There are two director/actors who make solid, wholesome, old-style movies where good is good, bad is bad and right and wrong are never confused: Eastwood and Mel Gibson.

SFC D

Mel may get a little confused on those concepts IRL, but he seems to get it right in his movies.

Twist

I loved the movie “Braveheart”, but it was really, really historically inaccurate.

OWB

Not much of a movie goer, but may have to make the effort on this one. Sounds like an accurate portrayal of events which actually occurred. What a concept.

Yeah, reality is often pretty boring.

JacktheJarhead

These foolish Americans! They come to our country and save our people! How dare they

Critics are tasked with finding something wrong or paid to praise a piece of crap. Or in the French case to ridicule anything Non-French!

I wonder how they feel about their Army being supplied by “Ze Germans”?

akpual

Fuck the French.

Graybeard

I understand the French women are often amiable to that suggestion.

OldManchu

I still remember in 1986 when the fucks, uh, I mean the French, wouldn’t let the United Status use their airspace to bomb Libya. Added over 2000 miles to the trip for our pilots.

They sure didn’t mind their airspace being used on June 6, 1944.

SFC D

I recall having to avoid French airspace on the way to Iraq in 2003.

MrFace

Well, technically, at the time, I don’t believe it was their airspace anymore. 😉

FuzeVT

And we accidentally dropped a bomb on the French Embassy.

And to quotethe immortal Sam Kinison:

We did out job, we only f*cked up one place, we “accidentally” dropped a bomb on the French embassy. (Crowd “AWWWWWWW”). Sorry about that, I’m sure would have been a little better if WE HAD MORE F*CKING SLEEP!!! Thanks for those extra 6500 air miles you f*ckheads, build a new house!AAAAUUUUGHHH AAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!

A Proud Infidel®™

THIS? NSFW, prudes, Clergy or kids.

OWB

Felt about the same way when we landed for fuel in Paris going to DS/DS/DS. They couldn’t have us being seen in uniform so we were confined to the aircraft. That was when I wrote off the French.

rgr769

You can’t expect much from the Europussies, especially the Fwench. Most of them won’t even admit that we saved their asses from the Germans in two wars.

A Proud Infidel®™

FOR SALE: French Combat Rifle, never tired, dropped once.

Anyone see the WWII French Battle Flag? It’s a white cross on a white background.

LIRight

I haven’t gone to the movies in 20+ years, but I will go to see this one…..just to spite these asshole critics!

OWB

It had been nearly that for me, too, when “Darkest Hour” came out. Saw it in the theater. Thought at the time that it would translate quite well to the small screen, so you should be able to enjoy that one at a later date.

This, with trains and such, should be better on the big screen, maybe?

2/17 Air Cav

I was wondering about you, LIRight. Glad to see you–as much as I can see you, that is.

Yef

I can’t go to the theater. All the movies are in English. I have to wait for the web version to watch it with subtitles.

A Proud Infidel®™

You no speak English?

Yef

Nope. I use google translate to read TAH.

A Proud Infidel®™

Just curious, I thought you said you were an 11B?

OWB

That does explain a lot. A whole lot. Perhaps most of the negativity we get from you, Yef, is because things are being lost in translation, in both directions.

Ex-PH2

Qu’attendez-vous quand il s’agit d’un film américain sur quelque chose qui a eu lieu en France? Eh?

Les crapeaux ne sont rien si pas cohérents.

Allez-vous voir le film.

Cowpill

Bless you!

Dustoff

Toujours Pret

Yef

Hey, I was in 2nd Squadron 2nd Cavalry Regiment back in 2005, out in Fort Lewis WA. It was my first unit.
Strykers for the win.
Toujours Pret, always ready.

MCPO NYC USN Ret.

Thanks Jonn!

MCPO NYC USN Ret.

I Hate the French:

MSG Eric

They make it so easy to hate them too. Maybe we should talk to Germany about some new real estate opportunities for them just to their West?

Mick

Q: Why are all of the roads in France bordered on both sides by large, lush, leafy green trees?

A: That’s so the German infantry can march in the shade.

HMCS(FMF) ret

Dear France,

You’re still our BYTCH.

Signed,

Germany

MSG Eric

The French: Even when you save their life, their country, their livelihood, they’ll still critique every little detail about the whole thing.

It reminds me of Stripes:

“One of these men might save your life some day!”

“Then again, maybe one of us won’t.”

A Proud Infidel®™

They seem like the kind of people that would complain about no seat cushions in a lifeboat.

David

Objectively reading the reviews, they say “It is really slow for the first hour and doesn’t drag out the action to extend the suspense.” They are not bashing it because it is American, they seem to be saying ‘it isn’t as exciting as we would want’ which is not terribly surprising in a world where if films don’t have non-stop mayhem, the ADD audience falls asleep. The same could be said of many movies (“Unbreakable” comes immediately to mind). Sorry, folks, I’m gonna pass on the French-bashing and wait to see the movie.

MSG Eric

“Sorry, folks, I’m gonna pass on the French-bashing and wait to see the movie.”

That sounds like some kind of commie talk right there. Who doesn’t bash on the French at any given opportunity?

Just An Old Dog

I’m not even going to jump on the French Bashing band-wagon. People tend to jump all over them for getting merked by the Germans in WW2 when pretty much every other country in a great portion of Europe got smashed as well. If it wasn’t for the English Channel the Brits would has probably fell just as fast.
Sure the French Politicians were twats, and the high command was trying to fight the last war and got out-brained.
But the Frenchmen who were allowed to fight gave a good account of themselves. Although France and the low lying countries fell in 46 days, the inflicted 146,000 casualties on the Germans, while losing twice that,

David

I look at their political twats as being on a par with ours. Which ain’t a compliment.

26Limabeans

Heh. I was watching “The Corsican Brothers” on free TV the other day. Couple of peasant revolutionaries in old world France. I wonder what they think of that movie.

MSG Eric

You mean reminders that they can’t even beat themselves in a war?

Jay

I’ll go see it just because Eastwood makes DAMN good movies. Gran Torino was probably one of the best movies i’ve seen in 20 years.

Jeff LPH 3, 63-66

We tied up in La Pallice France (Bay of Biscay) in 1964 after op. Steel Pike off of Seville Spain. We walked up the cliff on a metal stair case and reached the top with the Sub pens in the background. A lady walks up to us and wants to know if we were German Sailors. From 1945-1964 was only 19 years since the war ended. Maybe she was looking for a former German Sailor/Soldier. who knows. So to make a short story long, we took a bus and wound up in La Rochelle where somehow we went into a building with a red light over the door. 18 years old and one month shy of 19 at the time. Point of interest, The movie Das Boot was filmed at those pens.

Tallywhagger

“Don’t try to understand ’em
Just rope and throw and brand ’em
Soon we’ll be living high and wide.
My heart’s calculatin’
My true love will be waitin’
Be waiting at the end of my ride.”

James May

Did you really just do an editorial complaining about movie critics’ opinions? Man, you people are just the snow-flakiest of flakes, aren’t you?

Ex-PH2

Oooooo! Loookeee, lookie here! Dorkwad James is whining about someone else’s opinion again. Man, that’s gotta hurt!!!

Do you EVER have anything use to say, or are you just sock puppeting for that Berserkely whine-o?

Graybeard

James May may have a comment worth reading eventually. But then, James may not ever have a thought worth expressing.

HMCS(FMF) ret

Hey, Special Snowflake… sit down and shut the fuck up.

Here’s hoping that my statement made you piss your pants and sent you to a “safe space”… PJ Bytch Boi.

A Proud Infidel®™

BITCHY little snowflake, aren’t you?

SFC D

Is it lonely in your mom’s basement, James?

JACK SHIT

James May does not know me.

MCPO NYC USN Ret.

Is Jack nickname for John and your last name … ah, nevermind!

2/17 Air Cav

“You people.” Yes, there we are and way over there, up in the peanut gallery, is you. Congrats. You are now an official target.

Mick

KA-BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!

Shack!

Ex-PH2

Buh-BYE!!!

Graybeard

BuhBye, Felicia May.

A Proud Infidel®™

Buh-BYE and don’t let the doorknob hit you where the Good Lord split you!

Yef

Who’s Mark L?

I mean, what did he do to get banned the first time?

2/17 Air Cav

It’s a deep drive…It’s a no doubter…It’s outtahere!

A Proud Infidel®™

Mark L WAS a troll who has been struck by Jonn’s Mjolnir.

GDContractor

OMG A WHOLE QUARTER OF AN HOUR?

I spend 15 minutes in line at 7—11 every day just for the privilege of witnessing what scratch of tickets the moron in front of me is selecting. “Ummmm…one of those with the elephant. Um mmmm… 3 of those with th parachute. No, I said 4! With the monkey!”
Every stinkin day.

26Limabeans

Then they stand there and scratch them.

Graybeard

While all we want to do is pay for out gas and go home.

They are the ostensive definition of “losers”, in my book.

26Limabeans

I always try to make the pump stop on an even dollar amount so I can just hand the cash over the guys head and be on my way.

2/17 Air Cav

Cash? You guys slay me. Don’t tell me. Let me guess: you write checks, too, don’t you? Ever pay with stamps? Killin’ me..

BigJohn

`Ha! Right on!!!

Graybeard

The French citizens with whom I’ve had personal contact (all exclusively in the US) have all been quite pleasant people. I have some friends who have been living/working in France for a few years, and honestly enjoy their neighbors.

And I understand the French forces in Djibouti are quite skilled desert warriors whose training is quite challenging.

French politicians and French elitists, on the other hand, most closely resemble the (D)amn-0-crats and Hollyweirds of the USA.

OWB

That phenomena is pretty universal around the world. Country folks and many urban worker bees are just folks. It is our self-appointed betters who screw up what would otherwise be just fine, even in third world countries. Lots of those folks are willing and able to make the most of what little they have and improve things for their children if those in charge would just let them do it.

Graybeard

My experience as well, OWB. I’ve had the pleasure of hosting or being hosted by folks from several different nations. They were all gracious and pleasant people.

SFC D

Concur, the French folks I met were all great people. Except in Paris. Arrogant, conceited assholes in a filthy, nasty city.

Graybeard

A recent visitor of my acquaintance brought back photos of the rats and mice running free all over Paris.

I have images of the Black Death returning.

David

General rule: the politicians and the largest city inhabitants of any country are generally assholes, or considered so by the other inhabitants.

sgt. vaarkman 27-48th TFW

You want to meet some assholes right here in the USA ?…go to NYC its the international melting pot of them

Martinjmpr

Might be worth a Netflix or Redbox but to pay full fare to see it in the theater? Probably not.

“Just because it’s a great story that doesn’t mean it will make a great movie.” Couldn’t agree more.

Case in point: “12 Strong.” Great story. Mediocre movie. If you haven’t seen it yet, wait til it comes out on Redbox. It’s worth a buck and a half, but not much more. There really isn’t much of a “story” to it, at least not one that you will still rememember 5 minutes after leaving the theater.

And I’ll also refrain from the silly France-bashing and remind people that the US owes our very existence to France. It is an undeniable fact that if France had not aided us and funded our war of independence (which bankrupted them and led to their OWN revolution) Washington would have lost the Revolutionary war and likely been hanged as a traitor.

SFC D

We’ve repaid our debt to France. At least twice.

Yef

Twice?
Didn’t we fight on their side during the Napoleonic wars?
I thought the War of 1812 was about that, in the big scheme of things.

So three times.

26Limabeans

Yeah, but they helped us in The American Revolution so we’re even.

HMC Ret

Went to the flicks for the second time in a year last week to see Hostiles, a very highly rated flick that, for once, seemed to have been right on the money. It does fall back on stereotypical plots, but they seem to be accurate. Only other flick seen in the past year was the one about Desmond Doss,the conscientious objector who was a Medal of Honor recipient for some really heroic stuff. If you haven’t seen it, it’s worth the rental if you can find it. Truly an awesome flick. If you have a hankering for some unbelievable heroism, you really have to see the movie, Hacksaw Ridge.

2/17 Air Cav

It is every American’s God-given right to hate the French but like their bread.

Yef

Too much butter.

Graybeard

I do not understand this concept “too much butter.”

I do not believe it exists.

akpual

MMMMM, butter

Graybeard

Get a big ol’ slab of home-made bread fresh out of the oven, and a chunk of butter, and son, you’re in Heaven on Earth.

A Proud Infidel®™

He seems like one of those kids who consider McGunk as good eating.

Jeff LPH 3, 63-66

Hey Graybeard-at night, we used to get loaves of bread from the mess deck bakers and handed them out to the boiler room, engine room watches and since I was in A Gang, we had the keys to the reefers and “borrowed” a nice amount of butter which we loaded into the loaves after splitting the loaf in half. Who knew what cholesteral was back in the day. Used to also make hard boiled eggs in the steam heated filter cleaning sink. Great with mayo.

Graybeard

My mouth is watering now.

Ex-PH2

Bread, brie and wine. What could be better?

26Limabeans

Someone to share it with…

2/17 Air Cav

You share? I heard of such people.

Ex-PH2

Durn! I had no idea you guys were such romantic softies at heart.

SFC D

A Jug of Wine, a Loaf of Bread, and Thou, beside me, singing in the wilderness

Ex-PH2

Okay, I’ll straighten it out for you guys.

Yef is Jewish. He’s probably Orthodox, so that means he follows the kosher dietary laws: no mixing meat and dairy.

Butter is dairy. Can’t put butter on the table at my sister’s house, because she’s so kosher she squeaks.

Do you have any idea what it’s like to go from real butter to drek labeled “margarine”, and you just KNOW that your arteries are clogging while you think about it?

That also means no cheese and ham together in one sandwich or even on the same plate.

Butter is better for you than margarine, but tell THEM that. You could make olive butter by churning olive oil, but NOOOOO!.

Therefore, Yef, disdains butter even though butter is better.

Graybeard

OK, it has been a while since I hung out with the nice Jewish boys (they wouldn’t let me near the nice Jewish girls) but I thought that keeping kosher did not forbid butter or other dairy (with, say, a nice bagel), just no dairy on the T-bone steak or leg of lamb, or at the same meal.

YMMV.

Ex-PH2

Oh, it doesn’t forbid butter/dairy itself. You just can’t put it with meat. I have seen my sister put cream cheese on smoked salmon, but I guess salmon isn’t really considered meat.

Jeff LPH 3, 63-66

Well Ex It’s butter than nothing. Having separate china, silverware, pots and pans etc. is their way of life. I believe desserts with butter are permitted some time after the meal if I remember. We didn’t keep Kosher in our household. I think that we were reformed. Still love those Kosher pork sausages and peppers on Italian bread.

Ex-PH2

I tried to tell my sister that it had to do with food poisoning in desert heat and she just got mad at me.

To get even with her, I had a BLT right in front of her. 🙂

akpual

Mmmmmm bacon

SFC D

Dietary laws. Yet another reason I’m an orthodox heathen

Jeff LPH 3, 63-66

A WW2 Vet was going through French customs for the D-Day visit and was very slow getting his passport out. Customs guy says that the passport should have been in his hand at arrival time so the Vet tells the customs guy that the last time he was there, that he didn’t have to show his passport. Custom guy asks when, so the Vet says it was when he landed on Omaha Beach and there was not a Frenchman around to show it to.

FatCircles0311

I still stand behind my intial reaction of this being made into a movie and that is what a terrible plot for a movie. There is no shortage of heroism these days better suited for a movie, but if people want to pay for it then have at it.

Still waiting for a pro Iraq war deuce movie. It’s a fucking shame really. It’s almost treated like Vietnam was by Hollywood.

mr. sharkman

Just to throw this out there (again, as needed);

Equating ‘Parisians’ with all Frenchmen as it pertains to French attitudes towards Americans and America is like saying L.A., Bezerkely, S.F. and hollyweird are representative of the USA as a whole.

There are plenty of rural areas in France where the USA and Americans in general are held in high regard.

Those areas will spread & expand as islamofascist ‘immigrants’ in France continue to act up more and in more violent manners.