VoteVets team with MRFF against prayer breakfast in Fort Jackson
3E9 sends us a link to South Carolina’s The State which reports that the George Soros-connected MoveOn.org’s veteran wing, VoteVets has teamed up with Mikey Weinstein’s misnamed Military Religious Freedom Foundation in their opposition to a speaker at Fort Jackson’s prayer breakfast.
The speaker, Kenneth Copeland, who I wouldn’t know from Adam, made the mistake, in the eyes of the two organizations, of telling soldiers who suffer from PTSD that they can turn to God for answers instead of psychology and drugs. And, oh, Copeland bought an airplane, so that proves he’s a charlatan, somehow.
Here’s the statement from Copeland that frightens the heathens at VoteVets and MRFF;
“So this is a promise—if you do this thing, if you arm yourselves before the Lord for the war…you shall return, you’re coming back, and be guiltless before the Lord and before the nation. Any of you suffering from PTSD right now, you listen to me. You get rid of that right now. You don’t take drugs to get rid of it. It doesn’t take psychology. That promise right there will get rid of it.”
I’m not a terribly religious person, but, you know, some people might respond favorably to a little God in their lives if they need Him. So, who the F is Mikey and Jon Solz to say otherwise?
Fort Jackson responded to The State’s inquiry;
Fort Jackson, the nation’s largest basic training installation, responded to The State on Friday saying that military prayer breakfasts and luncheons have been held since the 1950s and have hosted “religious leaders from many faith traditions and denominations, cultural leaders, and foreign heads of state.”
“The Prayer Breakfast is open to all community members, is entirely voluntary, and is cost free to the Army and attendees,” it said. “Mr. Copeland’s participation in the prayer breakfast is not an endorsement by Fort Jackson of him or of any comments that he may present. Fort Jackson respects and protects all (individuals’) rights under the First Amendment to the Constitution, including ensuring access to religious services and events for those who wish to participate and protecting the rights of those who do not.”
Mikey’s pockets must be light, time to shear the sheep.
Category: Dumbass Bullshit
So, Mikey’s going to whine and sue the Army for having a prayer breakfast now?
He really is a dork.
VoteVets email is: info@votevets.org
The military religious freedom pukes are at:
Becki Weinstein (either wife or daughter) is
development@militaryreligiousfreedom.org
Others are: info@militaryreligiousfreedom.org
bekki.miller@militaryreligiousfreedom.org
I took a SWAG at the head prick:
Mikey.Weinstein@militaryreligiousfreedom.org
Standard rules apply but in this case, you have a waiver to include at least one “Yo momma” comment.
Drop a Dime on the drum, Save a soul, boom boom!
I don’t favor anyone who makes a blanket statement that can forgo psychology (and, in context, I understand that to mean counseling) or forget about meds. There is an old saying that goes, “Faith can move mountains, but it helps to bring a shovel.” Of course, this doesn’t appear to be Mikey’s beef. He just wants to see the prayer breakfast ended. And how many folks attend for the prayers, rather than the camaraderie and bread breaking? Yeah, exactly.
Don’t believe anything copeland says, he is a phony and will answer for his blasphemies! He is one of the “name it and claim it” bunch, just send in your money and they will get rich and you will get….nada, zip, zilch! God does answer when you give to HIS work, not copelands new airplane fund!!imho
The thing that irritates me most about MRFF is the govt subsidy. I consider it a support for atheism, which I see as another religion IMHO. Any way, no respect for the reject from this quarter.
Atheism is a religion in the sense that they promote the absence of such and their belief is in nothing and Annihilation.
What do they do at Atheism gatherings?
“Today’s lesson is on belief. How many people believe there is a higher power?”
No one raises their hand.
“Great. Coffee and donuts are in the hall on your way out.”
By definition, “Religion” dictates that you have a controlling being in your life or a belief in a God or multiple gods. So atheism at its core is not a religion. As an antitheist, I reject all religions and notions of a God or notions of any god(multiple or not.)
However, with that, the fools that protest, complain, hold in contempt, deprecate, etc., any sense of value in offering a free services for those who wish to participate are disingenuous at the least and completely deplorable at best. It hurts no one and not a single person is forced to go to said events. And in large, stuff such as this has been proven to help those who might need some support when humans cannot give it to them(see: alcoholics anonymous, PTSD survival groups, battered womens groups, gambling anonymous, etc. All which normally have a pledge to subscribe or give your self to a higher power.)
In summary, I hate those who flaunt their [non-]belief system for personal gain or just as a “look at me.” I also detest those that simply state that those who are not religious, necessarily, subscribe to a religion of disbelief.
No butt-hurt feelings here, just my opinion.
Cheers,
MrFace
…But you can’t prove that God doesn’t exist.
Therefore your belief that God doesn’t exist is based on faith, hence is a religion. 🙂
Vice versa, my friend…
And as I eloquently stated before religion is based on the belief in a higher power or a God/gods; not the disbelief. If you want wordplay, start looking up actual definitions.
Cheers.
Well said, MrFace! From one antitheist to another.
Ya gotta love people who get so fucking butthurt over something they profess not to believe in.
😀 Touche. Just don’t know why we need to denigrate others “belief” system to prove self importance. It goes both ways, I personally hate what I would call militant atheist that have to open their trap to discuss the lack of a higher power. Just let people believe or not what they want to believe or disbelieve. If you believe that all nonbelievers are preaching nothingness and “annihilation” or are amoral or what have you, then you are in the same boat, for all intents and purposes. I don’t need to rely on a higher power to do the right thing and I don’t need to lean on atheism to tell anyone that they shouldn’t believe in a higher power.
Personally, I don’t give a shit if you believe in anything or conversely, nothing… ;P
Cheers.
Oh, don’t get me wrong. My disdain for the militant atheists is no more or less than my disdain for the proselytizing asshats who feel it necessary to tell me I’m going to burn in hell for not believing as they do.
Whatever happened to live and let live?
I feel you brother. Live and let live; Agree to disagree seem to be nothing more than a saying nowadays. [/shrug]
“…that others should forgo psychology…”
I’m not terribly religious either, but recent literature shows that incorporating spirituality into health/mental health services is important to a significant number of people.
Maybe Mikey should read those studies and consider staying in his lane or at least become informed.
Ya know, IDC … I guess for them it’s “okay” to be spiritual — as long as it is Buddhism, Native American Church, Yoga, Mindfulness, and any other belief (except for Christianity… maybe even Judaism, but I’m not certain about that).
Sheesh. Some people need a life.
But minding one’s own business in Mikey’s case doesn’t pay the bills.
George soros, Nazi collaborator and mikey weinstein whom am the same religion as I am, are the peeps that give our religion a bad name. Shame on them.
They obviously don’t follow it Jeff…I worked HVAC at Dartmouth College for a year (10 years ago), and I had to do some work at the Campus Synagogue.
I found it fascinating in there, I didn’t go into what I would call the Sanctuary, out of respect. But, I did go into some of the preschool and what I would term ‘Bible-Study’ rooms.
The Rabbi and ladies that worked there were super nice, and the ladies kept trying to feed me.
If you don’t like the prayer breakfast, then don’t attend the prayer breakfast. I attended it when I was in BCT back in ’01 and it was a bright point in my training.
When I went through basic in 1992 at Fort Lost in the Woods, we didn’t have a prayer breakfast that I recall. There was a day where they bussed us out to some church and we spent the day on the phones, eating, hanging out with civilians, and in the afternoon there was a voluntary service. Catholic if I remember right. Then we were bused back, had dinner, and got smoked for two hours straight.
When I went through again, they had the prayer breakfast, where we got up at the ass crack of dawn, were bussed to a Baptist church, had breakfast, a sermon, and spent the rest of the day hanging out, on the phones, and the internet. Got back and they only smoked us for 30 minutes.
In both cases, the sermon attendance was completely optional. You didn’t have to go, you could sit outside read, watch tv in one of the rooms, about the only thing you couldn’t do was be on the phones or computers, because the people staffing those sections were the same people doing the sermonizing.
The first time through I was one of those who opted not to participate and spent the time reading Alan Dean Fosters “A Call to Arms”. The second time around, I went and while I’m about two steps away from either being agnostic or worshiping Odin I didn’t find anything socially or morally objectionable in the sermon’s or prayers (other than the prayers being used as sermon’s rather than you know prayers).
Kenneth Copeland is a Televangelist, I have seen him as I flipped through the 90,000 useless TV channels in order to find something to watch other than Rick and Morty (awesome show by the way).
I too, am not a very religious person. But, when you’re far from home in the middle of some ocean; that evening prayer before Taps was nice and comforting in a way.
Copeland’s message isn’t a bad one, he’s trying to tell these Soldiers that there is hope in Faith. FFS, we have the 22 going on daily…giving people suffering from REAL PTSD, not the kind that causes you to shoplift, hope is not a bad thing. Especially if it saves one of them from eating their sidearm.
VoteVets and MRFF can eat a grocery load of bagged dicks.
“VoteVets and MRFF can eat a grocery load of bagged dicks.”
Can I get an “AMEN” from the TAH congregation on Brother Atkron’s statement?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAFUCKINMMMMMMENEEEEENNNNNNNNN!
AMEN!
“VoteVets and MRFF can eat a grocery load of bagged dicks,” and choke to death on the last one.
There, fixed it for you.
Ahhhhmen!
VoteVets and MRFF can eat
a grocery load of bagged dicks5 lb bag of Haribo Sugereless Gummy Bears.https://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/B000EVOSE4/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_325_bs_tr_cr_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=2Y7Q68E1634K72TMGW03
LMAO
After all, tooth decay is a real issue.
I hope WHINEstein and his cohorts ALL get a bad case of sneezing fits while having diarrhea.
Okay, but not while they’re ON the throne, API.
It is most effective when they are seized by a sneeze and there is no throne in sight.
I hope it happens to them when they’re out in public, preferably when they’re on a Date if any of them are even remotely capable of getting one.
OR when WHINEstein is speaking at a podium, “A-ahCH-*POOOOOOOT!*”
I haven’t watched Kenneth Copeland in a while, but he usually has a pretty good message to share (albeit sometimes a little too much in the “prosperity” camp for this old Anglican’s liking).
I’m up mostly all night so I get a steady diet of televangelist TV. Some don’t even make a modest attempt to preach the Gospel. It’s all about ‘God/god gave me a message right before I came out. He wants you to ‘plant a seed’ for
(fill in the blank)’. It ranges from a few hundred to a few thousand bucks. Some make no pretense as to what is done with the money. I can only assume the money goes into their pockets. No mention of feeding the poor, orphans, etc. Nothing. I DO have a problem with those ‘religious’ people. They prey upon those who are desperate, who think $500 will curry favor with God/god. I don’t think that’s true, but that’s just me. To me, and this is just me, some of these people are little more than white collar criminals. JMHO. If you want money from me I want to see the good works that money supports. In the absence of evidence of that good works, I can only assume the money goes into your pocket to plant YOUR seed. I despise white collar criminals. They frequently prey upon the desperate. They are the moral equivalent of pond scum.
very true
I concur with everything you just stated Chief.
I don’t think Bishop Sheen ever asked for money.
Indeed. Even though the original broadcasts were before my time, I catch the rebroadcasts on EWTN from time to time.
I agree with you 100% HMC Ret.
Scripture has some very clear statements about those type of thieves, and the consequences are not going to be wealth and prosperity for eternity, not at all.
Ray Stevens’ “Would Jesus Wear a Rolex” is spot on, IMHO.
“GAWD has spoken to me, and says he wants a new Porsche – and wants me to drive it for Him”
Oh, Lord, won’t you buy me
A Mercedes Benz?
My friends all have Porsches.
I must make amends.
I worked hard all my life
With no help from my friends.
Oh, Lord, won’t you buy me
A Mercedes Benz?
That’s all! – Janis
That sort of thing is not religion, it is con artistry. That is how Joel Osteen got that big old freaking house and all that money.
You just brought back a lot of memories by mentioning the evening prayers before Taps…the power of the 1MC
It looks like Ft. Jackson told Mikey to sit down and STFU. Good for them.
I am one of those people for whom faith goes farther than psychology. I certainly can’t and won’t speak for combat vets, but some years ago I found myself having some serious personal problems of the kind that had me spending long periods of free time alone with my thoughts and looking the wrong way at my .45. At the insistence of my parents, who could tell something was very wrong, I utilized the state’s Employee Assistance Program. The shrink they sent me to was a very nice gal who determined me to be suffering from PTS (common in firefighters, but rarely acknowledged), and after several sessions figured out that psychology hadn’t helped me and wasn’t likely to start. Rather than write me off, continue down an obvious dead end, or push meds I didn’t want (to quote “The Departed,” “Why don’t you just give me a bottle of scotch and a fucking gun?”), she recommended that I make an effort to go to church more and talk through my issues with my Priest and my family. So I took her advice. I made a point of getting to church, even if it was just Daily Mass (much of my career has been working weekends). My Mom got me involved in the church, doing setup and cleanup for various events. I frequently had sitdowns with our Priest, a solid dude who worked in construction for 20 years before he went to Seminary and is quite familiar with the real world. I read Scripture and prayed. I’ll never be a good Catholic, but I am a believing Catholic. It didn’t happen overnight, but my life got better. I started enjoying my job again. I started getting over some of the things that kept me awake at night. And I met and married my wife (the greatest thing that’s ever happened to me, outweighing all kinds of bad shit), who makes damn sure I get my ass to church at every opportunity. We have three incredible children, and my life is pretty good. My faith gave me hope that I wasn’t going… Read more »
Well said, TOW.
What people like Mikey Weinstein do not realize is that church is not, and never has been, a group of saints who have it all together, but a hospital for sinners who are all broken, bruised, and bleeding.
The men in my Sunday School class, some of whom I’ve known since I was a freshman in college the first time, both hold me accountable and support me when I’m weakest. Together we share the hope and expectation that there is a God who loves and cares for us in our brokenness, and that hope helps us keep on through the tough times.
My wife was diagnosed in the 80’s as bipolar, and both the meds and our faith have pulled us through the intervening years. It’s not always an either/or situation with some troubles.
Mikey Weinstein’s group is a sad bunch of individuals. They are so screwed up that they cannot stand the thought of other folks having any type of hope or faith whatsoever. Like someone said, if there isn’t a God, why do some atheists spend so much time fighting against Him? It would be like trying to build a fence to keep the unicorns out of my roses.
Awesome story, TOW. Been there, done that with quite similar results.
I find that I have a serious hardon for anyone who spends most of their time telling me what I can believe or do, or not. If they expect me to buy into their particular line of nonsense, they are going to be very disappointed.
TOW – been through my period of “doom and gloom”, went and saw a Psychologist for help – he gave me Prozac and acted like I was the problem in my life. Decided to see a chaplain on base – he was willing to listen and help me through the sadness and despair. Actually felt like he cared for my well-being – never pushed religion on to me during this time. Stopped taking the Prozac and living my life one day at a time.
That was 15 years ago – I’m still here and taking things a day at a time. I thank God every day for helping me find someone at that time to help me when I was low.
Interesting spin on “freedom”, when everything folks do has to be inoffensive and unchallenging to one particular philosophical point of view.
That typically is called “theocracy”.
Remember that “South Park” episode where Cartman goes to the future and winds up in a holy war between two atheist sects?
“Sciencedammit!”
Is there such a thing as an “Atheocracy”? That’s what I think they are trying to establish…
In a Socialism there can be only one God, the cult of personalities (read: the State).
Yeah, but they forget that no one is forcing them to join any religious group. It’s voluntary. End of story.
Gnat
All I know is prayer gave me comfort while flying backseat in a single engine UH-1V in crappy weather while stationed in Alaska during the early 80s.
An old Helitack pilot once told me that there are no atheists in an in-flight emergency.
Faith, Family and Friends get you thru the hardest times. One of the 3 will do but great to have all.
You may also not believe in a deity but a higher power. I feel that’s great too.
Me, I’m a deeply faithful Christian but a really bad example of one. I accept that.
I have a few atheist friends whom I respect and they respect my faith as well.
Lastly, why would my “imaginary friend” bother anyone as long as it does not infringe upon their rights or exclude them from equal opportunity?
And for any of my brothers, I have your back regardless.
Ditto. Bless you my friend.
The live-and-let-live ones are fine. It’s the Bill Maher-type insecure atheists who cause problems. The militant, aggressively-proselytizing atheists whose zeal would make a 14th-Century inquisition look tame and tolerant are as toxic as they are annoying.
E4: Honestly, man, you win the internet prize for the day, maybe for the week.
I’ve had the same pair of dogtags since 2002, they state ‘NO-REG-PREF’. If forced, gun to the head, to pick one practice I’d still say agnostic/atheist. Still, as a devotee of pragmatism, I see utility in having a religion and I expect someone who is of faith to be moral, as I function with morality. You know, that whole Golden Rule thing.
Even given what some religious people may see as a shame, a lack of faith, I remain reverent to any and all religions that respect me, my right to choose my dogma and my country.
These assholes however, deserve wall-to-wall counseling.
I was in the Viet of the Nam when they changed from service number to SSAN.
New tags were issued on some DA form and although my old ones said CATHOLIC I requested AGNOSTIC. Well, SGT dickhead didn’t like it and wanted an explanation.
They issued them. I thought I was the only one to get away with that.
The Chaplin at 30th AG went on a hypothetical tangent about checking tags before giving last rites in a battlefield situation, he stated something of the sort (but I’m not far off), “If I see NO PREF or something to that effect, I ain’t giving you shit and you can figure it out when you get to where you’re going!”. I respected the shit out of his honesty, and I must admit, it gave me pause.
The Chaplain at the 30th AG when I was in Reception there was a bit of a dick who probably couldn’t pass tape with a girdle. I preferred the Chaplain of my BCT Battalion who PTed with us, Gas Chambered with us, and was in the field with us.
Sounds like your Chaplin really didn’t understand what he was supposed to be doing. I don’t remember Jesus hanging out with the saints, he hung out with the sinners who were lost and needed guidance.
We had a Chaplin on my base who was pretty cool. Dual black belts and a lot of real world experience. Would whip your ass on the mat and then bless you once it was all over.
26: Navy Boot, Orlando, 1968, we marched to church. One guy told the CC he was an atheist. Nope, had to go to church. The guy refused and got roughed up pretty bad. But he never went to church. He was given shit duty while we went to church.
I remember we used to march through orange groves on the way. It was an old AF base, I think.
RTC San Diego (1988), You went to the Catholic or Protestant services on Sunday, or you stayed in the barracks reading a newspaper at the center board until everyone returned.
I think the Jewish guys went off for Services either Friday after sundown, or Saturday morning. I don’t recall if we had anyone in our Company that went to those.
RTC San Diego (1985) Yep. I got a lot of reading done and some quiet time.
We did have one guy in the company that told me I was going to burn in hell for not going to church. I told him that if heaven was filled with guys like him I didn’t want to be there anyway.
Idiot minions like WHINEstein and VV DO NOT HAVE TO attend events like the prayer breakfast, so WHERE the FUCK is their right to force their ways and beliefs on others?
Why, it’s because they are morally superior to all us idiots and so they HAVE to tell us what to do since we are too stupid to know on our own.
See, if you were as brilliant as he is you would have known this.
This toad looks a lot like the Salcido toad.
They can’t spell ‘Episcopalian’. I tried to use reason, sneering, staring at them, finally said E-P-I-S-C-O-P-A-L-I-A-N.
I could probably have gotten away with C of E, except they’d have thought it meant I was English.
lol
Oh goody. Mikey demonstrates by existing that there is in fact something more useless than a football bat.
Tits on a boar hog.
Mikey needs to be sued for violating the 1st Amendment rights of military personnel.
Soros, the Jew-hating Jewish Nazi convert, is going to face death some day soon, and will find himself floundering.
I’ve seen enough strange things that have no explanation to know that there is some higher power. That’s all I have to say.
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