Presidential Memorandum: Military Service by Transgender Individuals

| August 26, 2017

The President has returned the Defense Department’s and Homeland Security Department’s policy on accepting transgender people to it’s current status. The President signed a Memorandum yesterday in that endeavor;

Sec. 2. Directives. The Secretary of Defense, and the Secretary of Homeland Security with respect to the U.S. Coast Guard, shall:

(a) maintain the currently effective policy regarding accession of transgender individuals into military service beyond January 1, 2018, until such time as the Secretary of Defense, after consulting with the Secretary of Homeland Security, provides a recommendation to the contrary that I find convincing; and

(b) halt all use of DoD or DHS resources to fund sex reassignment surgical procedures for military personnel, except to the extent necessary to protect the health of an individual who has already begun a course of treatment to reassign his or her sex.

The Memorandum becomes effective on January 1, 2018 (for paragraph (a)) and March 23, 2018 (for paragraph (b)), but actually, that policy remains effective like it has since the beginning of time. The President explains why;

In my judgment, the previous Administration failed to identify a sufficient basis to conclude that terminating the Departments’ longstanding policy and practice would not hinder military effectiveness and lethality, disrupt unit cohesion, or tax military resources, and there remain meaningful concerns that further study is needed to ensure that continued implementation of last year’s policy change would not have those negative effects.

Of course, the community that wants general acceptance of the transgender lifestyle is losing it’s collective mind.

For example, the Victory Institute, which tells me that they “work to increase the number of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people in public office and to provide programming, service, and other support to ensure their success” emailed me;

“It’s disgusting, and an absolute disgrace, that a man who dodged service for his country is now ordering the Pentagon to denigrate those who are already serving it. We have a president who is committed to white supremacist ideology and with each policy action declaring war on equality for all Americans – defending the KKK, blocking Muslim immigrants and visitors, and now banning transgender people from serving their country and pardoning a convicted racist. The time for words and debate has ended. In order to save our democracy from the clutches of bigotry and hatred we must unite and fight back – and fight back hard. LGBTQ people exist in all communities and an attack on us is an attack on everyone. We will not go silently into the night. We will not learn our place and be forced back into the closet. We will march. We will train. We will run for office and reclaim our democracy one election at a time. 2018 is months away and we will remember those that stood silent in the face of abject discrimination. LGBTQ people are fired up and training to run for office so that we can replace those who have turned their backs on our community.”

The Civil and Human Rights Coalition also emailed;

“Just days after President Trump addressed our troops at Fort Myer about the strength of our force, this announcement only seeks to undermine military readiness. He has yet again attacked those brave, patriotic individuals who are serving, and seek to serve, in our military, simply because they are transgender. There is no reason for this move beyond bigotry and politics.

We agreed with the president when he said on Monday, ‘The men and women of our military operate as one team, with one shared mission, and one shared sense of purpose.’ We are hopeful that the Secretaries of Defense and Homeland Security will exercise the authority granted to them by the president and stand up for the rights of all, including patriotic transgender Americans, who are willing to serve and to protect the security of our country. ”

The Palm Center emotes in my inbox;

“Instead of working to keep the American people safe, our Commander in Chief has taken aim at his own capably serving troops, contradicting the conclusions of the American Legion, former Chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, dozens of retired Generals and Admirals, 18 foreign militaries, and years of research conducted by the military itself and outside scholars. A billion-dollar witch hunt targeting thousands of current service members will not save the taxpayers money or strengthen the military but will cause disruptions and undermine military readiness, just as the failed ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ policy did.”

So now we know how they FEEL, but there is nothing concrete in their conclusions, except that their constituency which plows money into their coffers are unhappy.

Maybe they should get behind the troops and support them as they try to make the world a more peaceful place instead of confusing a Defense Department engaged in the serious business of war.

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HMCS(FMF) ret

Jonn – just a change to your last paragraph,

Maybe they should get behind ALL OF the troops and support them as they try to make the world a peaceful place instead of confusing a Defense Department engaged in serious business of war.”

desert

If these twisted sisters want a sex change, get the hell out of the military, and pay for your sick perversion YOURSELF…damned if I will pay for you!! God made you the way you are supposed to be, reminds me of some idiot that takes permanent markers to a Rembrandt and is going to “correct” the mistakes…!!

11B-Mailclerk

God also commanded us to forgive.

Not easy to obey that one, eh?

USMC Steve

What is there to forgive? They are deviants. I for one really don’t care one way or the other about homosexuals or gender benders. That is providing they are not trying to force their deviant lifestyle down my throat or expecting me to cater and bow down before it. Ain’t going to happen. Nor should I be required to be a blood brother to their bullshit by having to pay for their sex changes or gerbil parties. And that is why they are going batshit about all this – because they are not being catered to and worshipped as the brave new world defenders of a new society. The American Psychiatric Association or whatever they are calling themselves, state flat out that “gender dysphoria” is a mental disorder. Crazy people have no place in the military. If the deviant community cannot see that, they are stupid.

11B-Mailclerk

I agree that folks with profound mental issues are not suitable for the uniformed services.

I also do not get mad at them for the disability. If they genuinely have a mental issue, they really cant tell where they are “off”.

The political left has camped out on the crosssroads of “anger” and “irrational”. Going there only serves their purposes, so I am trying to stay on the rational side of the street at least.

Besides, when you don’t rise to the bait, their heads tend to explode.

Ex-PH2

This obsession with sex, sexuality, and gender is unhealthy. The focus of the military is or should be on defense of this country, not on who uses what bathroom or what kind of underwear.

I will be so glad when sanity returns to this country and the squawking few finally shut up and get back to work.

sid

amen! well said!

desert

Sanity will not return until the Lord returns….which according to the news, prophecy and the Bible….is very, very soon!

A Proud Infidel®™

JUST HOW MANY of those bawling about it have served PERIOD, let alone in a Combat Zone? If I remember correctly, SECDEF Mattis has placed an emphasis on deployability which makes sense to me and TG types are not exactly what one would consider deployable.

Marci Harrington

I’m Transgendered and I served for 12 years. I have received Honorable discharges for all 3 enlistments, I have Combat action and a letter Of Commendation from the Admiral From serving in the Persian Gulf
You asked.

The Other Whitey

Was the trans thing before or after you got out?

IDC SARC

oh here we go again…you’re really gonna do this again Marci? Like we all forgot your BS from last time. Fuck yourself with whatever naughty bits you currently possess.

IDC SARC

Last time you were here Marci you said you you got a CAR on a westpac…..so now you’re back trying to say it was the persian gulf….guess you’re transhistory as well.

Silentium Est Aureum

Like we’re supposed to give a shit more about what bits the possess rather than whether or not the can do their jobs.

Yo, Marci! What command were you attached to when you got the CAR you claim? Just curious.

HMCS(FMF) ret

Took the words right out of my mouth…

26Limabeans

And yet you still can’t compose a simple sentence.

jonp

? You have been discharged 3 times and re-enlisted?

Why would you do that?

IDC SARC

well technically, you are discharged prior to every reenlistment in the Navy.

We don’t have that concurrent option like the Army.We can only reenlist for a period of 6 years maximum at a time.

I was discharged prior to each reenlistment. It’s kind of customary at the ceremony to ask the member just after discharge and prior to taking the oath again if he has any words as a free man.

IDC SARC

and yes, I also got an Honorable Discharge certificate and Reenlistment certificate each time at the same ceremony over the 24 years I was active duty.

jonp

Thanks for clearing that up. I’d never heard that. Kinda interesting but rather odd it seems to me. I guess it does give you one last chance to change your mind.

Dave Hardin

I realize most of you people hate the environment, don’t care if the POTUS supports the KKK, are happy with the results of a Russian rigged election, would probably drive the buses hauling tens of thousands of Mexican immigrants who were ripped from their homes back to the border, and are generally happy with trampling all over the civil rights of the LGBTQ community…

but how do you people sleep at night?

Ex-PH2

I don’t know about other people, but I give Vlad a called and tell him to ‘otvali e umeret’. I always sleep peacefully after that.

E.Conboy

So do I! Is it possible Dave has mis-realized? And another thing,
Dave: it’s not polite to generalize. Can you substantiate any of your realizations?

Ex-PH2

You know, anything is possible. I sent him a chapter out of a book about warfare, asking for some feedback and all he did was complain. And he missed the part about booze and sex, so he must be all wrapped up in his own personal agonies, and simply doesn’t look around much.

HMCS(FMF) ret

Hey, Dave – I gave money to save the ruby throated sap sucker… once.

A Proud Infidel®™

Was it THAT or Ruby THE Sap Sucker?

HMCS(FMF) ret

She had teh boobehs… I think???

Perry Gaskill

He also drowns kittens, Dave. A Salon contributor mentioned it once on Twitter…

IDC SARC

“but how do you people sleep at night?”

nekkid

HMCS(FMF) ret

Nekkid with wimmens…

IDC SARC

if ahmmm nekkin with wimmens…I ain’t sleepin

IDC SARC

dammit…nekkid

The Other Whitey

I sleep post-coitally next to a gorgeous Asian chick.

A Proud Infidel®™

Nekkid wiffmywife

MSG Eric

Braggarts.

Ex-PH2

I sleep with cats. They get 3/4 of the bed, and I get 1/8 of it, plus part of a pillow, and the corner of a blanket.

Mr. Pete

Dave:

Who says we hate the environment. Perhaps our environmental concerns are different.

The president doesn’t support the KKK.

The Russians didn’t rig our elections.

How are the civil rights of the LGBTQ community being trampled on if the government doesn’t pay for their sex transfers.

Those are all straw man arguments you’ve thrown out there.

Dave Hardin

You are probably one of Jonn’s Gun Nutz that hoards ammo by the case.

Everything I said is backed up by almost every news channel out there.

Stop thumping your Bible long enough to find out what is going on in the world.

Mr pete

I am a highly educated, well read historian by training.

I have almost 5000 books (paper) in my personal library.

I do have significant firearm and ammunition hordes.

Mr. Pete

In your heart of hearts do really, sincerely believe president Trump supports the KKK? The KKK? Really?

Wow.

AW1 Tim

You probably haven’t been here long enough to realize that Dave is sarcastic with his posts. He’s famous here for getting people riled up who don’t understand his work is parody. 🙂

Mr. Pete

Well then Tim, in this case, it’s mission accomplished.

Thanks

Dave Hardin

All in good humor my friend, thank you for being a good sport.

I too maintain a library, albeit lacking the girth of yours.

I probably make up for that deficit with my own hoard of ammunition.

Semper Fidelis

SFC D

Another point for Mr. Hardin. Welcome to TAH, Mr. Pete! We’re a mostly harmless bunch.

desert

EVERYTHING you said is BULLSHYT! you didn’t prove anything, shooting off your mouth does not prove an issue because you freaking HAVE NO PROOF!

AZtoVA

“Everything I said is backed up by almost every news channel out there.”

Not so. It is an opinion shared by most of the national news channels, but they can’t back it up either.

It is a preconceived notion, and all that is reported is whatever conforms to their personal biases. There is not one clip, anywhere, showing Trump supporting KKK. Left is upset he won’t play the Virtue Signal game that they’ve grown used to over the last 30 years or so.

11b-mailclerk

How do I sleep?

Soundly.

Ever since early November of 2016, I have slept quite soundly.

A Proud Infidel®™

SO SAYS Dave Hardin, The Crown Prince of Sarcasm!

Dave Hardin

I refuse to discriminate against some people because of their sexual choices.

For example, I have selflessly offered this Lebanese immigrant a “safe space” in my home so she need not worry about her head. Giving head should be her choice, I will defend her right to do so.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4825546/ISIS-threatened-behead-former-porn-star-Mia-Khalifa.html

HMCS(FMF) ret

And, what did the the missus say about that? I’m guessing she was sharpening up her talons over that offer.

Now if you asked Mia to come find me, I’d be very happy to let her stay in “witness protection” at my place.

Dave Hardin

I didn’t mention it to the Spousal Unit yet. Its still all secret so I can only talk about it on the interwebnetz.

I am just a giving person, she will understand.

HMCS(FMF) ret

IIRC, Mia’s performed in a few FFM vids… it may be a very “beneficial” experience for you and the missus…

I just viewed her vids for “purely scientific research”…

Dave Hardin

She is an Artist, I have offered to dedicate a portion (all if necessary) of the bunker as her Art Studio.

I would hate to see her artistic talents wasting away. I am sure the Spousal Unit will assist in any way she can.

I will give all I can.

desert

That lebanese is a guy in drag…just your type!!

Perry Gaskill

Mia’s gonna need an import license for those sweater puppies, Dave…

The Other Whitey

She’s received death threats from multiple terrorists. Providing the young lady with close personal protection is a very gentlemanly thing for Dave Hardin to do. And you never know, those bastards could strike at any time, so she would need constant protection. Day, night, in the shower…

MSG Eric

I offer my house as tribute to her. She can stay here any time she likes.

mr. sharkman

Poseidon bless and watch over former Marine Dave Hardin.

‘Saving the world, one smokin’ hot female porn starlet at a time’.

😉

Dave Hardin

Thanks bro, many do not appreciate the sacrifice I make for others.

26Limabeans

“but how do you people sleep at night?”

It’s 3 am here.

OWB

Not really sure how I sleep at night. All I know is that I crawl into bed and next thing I know it’s morning.

Kinda figure that’s all I need to know. If I stay awake to discover more details then I would not be asleep. Must be one of those “it ain’t broke so let’s not fix it” things.

jonp

Shot of Jager, prayer to God and sleep like a baby. It’s my country not illegal aliens. If your worried about a rigged election how about the real rigged election: the DNC primary where Debbie Does Miami spiked the ball for Hillary and froze Bernie out. Don’t look now but those hard drives found in Debbies best bud’s garage when he tried to flee to Pakistan are about to sink alot of people. I bet Hillary ain’t sleeping and Debbie is so toxic they held a giant fundraiser in her district and didn’t invite her. As for civil rights for the lgbteieio’s: they have no right to marry as consecrated by the state however if gays can find a “church” that pisses all over the bible to get it done then fine but I’m under no obligation to condone it, support it or pay for it in any way. They also have no right to serve in the military, no one does.

USMC Steve

Well, very well actually. Since all of the above you posted is total bullshit. The only election rigging was done by the socialist democrat party, POTUS has nothing to do with the KKK, the socialist democrats do, they created it in fact, and supported it for over a century, and if they are wetbacks, FUCK THEM. What the fuck is your problem, sister?

Ex-ET2

Solution: mandatory two year enlistment for all citizens regardless of gender, gender identity, race, race identity. This will bring more diversity to the DOD and we’ll all have something in common.

IDC SARC

we already lose about 30% of our personnel during the first enlistment. Why do you want to burden the forces with a bunch of people that don’t want to be there? Conscription has never been fair anywhere, you know there are going to be hookups as soon as this starts. And a lot of protests and no shows and wasted time and money. Also, about 11K people turn 18 every day of every year in this country…how do you plan to handle those logistics? Under current manning you’re going to create a backlog pretty quickly.

IDC SARC

for example…in 11 days you would exceed the Army’s quota for the year.

IDC SARC

***excuse me, I meant 8 days.

Green Thumb

Roger fucking that!

IDC SARC

really…well then I ask you the same questions I asked ET2.

IDC SARC

oh and what about the VA benefits and the cost of offering those to everybody for life?

Ex-PH2

End welfare, reinstate the Clinton admin’s work-to-welfare program. There IS work, y’know.

IDC SARC

that doesn’t even begin to address the numbers or the demographics of people on welfare and what dragging them into the service would mean…but yeah keep beating the drum.

Ya can’t even deal with the 11k per day turning 18.

IDC SARC

*ya meaning we as a nation and the typical numbers employed by the US Armed Forces…not meaning any individual posting.

Ex-PH2

Okay, well, here’s a statistic or two for you. During the Vietnam War, the draft was still in force, left over from WWII and Korea.

9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the Vietnam Era (Aug. 5, 1964-May 7, 1975).
Overall, 40% were draftees, 60% volunteers.
Now, somehow, all those people were handled wihtout too many screwups, despite the low-tech nature of clerical stuff back in those Days of Yore. But there were more duty stations to send them to back then, also. Not everyone ended up in Vietnam.
And, anyway, I said ‘work to welfare’, not ‘just the military’. 🙂

IDC SARC

that was not everybody, of course a draft is possible. One of the reasons the draft ended was the cost of the complications it raised…there were a lot of screw-ups…research the numbers …that was even a problem in WWII.

Come up to the modern era…it’s where the reality lies right now.It’s not WWII or the Vietnam era….did you forget the draft dogers and the numbers of people then that did not serve despite the draft. the deferments, the disqualifications. c’mon y’all are saying you can do something, and it’s going to be fair and utopian. It has never been fair and never all inclusive and never all successful.

You people are saying “everyone serves.”

the fact is in our population that isn’t even remotely practical just by the sheer numbers.

again…in 8 days you would exceed the quota of the Army for the entire year. Everybody can’t serve, never did and likely never will.

Where are you gonna place over 4 million 18 year olds every year?

I will also remind y’all the whenever this comes up the current military is absolutely against it, for a lot of the same reasons I’m citing, which y’all want to ignore.

Why do you want to force this on a military that doesn’t want it?

IDC SARC

And, anyway, I said ‘work to welfare’, not ‘just the military’

yeah ok.. but you commented in the middle of a discussion block that was talking about the draft and everybody serving in the military to make everything kumbaya

IDC SARC

if you take your stats from vietnam and just look at the number of 18 years in that time frame you’re talking about
44,165,000 turning 18 in that time.

that would be 20% of 18 year olds over 11 years.

Ex-PH2

Having a bad day, are you? Want some sympathy?

IDC SARC

ummm…no. Would that somehow change the numbers?

Ex-PH2

No, not the numbers… but it might change your feelz.

Ex-PH2

Forget the draft dodgers? How could I? I knew one who ran off to Canada because, even though he was an MD with a specialty in cellular pathology, he thought getting his draft notice meant he’d be over in Vietnam shooting at people. It never occurred to him, as he flew out the door, that as specialized as he was, he’d be at Walter Reed or CDC or something dull like that.

IDC SARC

Gawd…reminds me of a guy I was in Corps School with. He had a Master’s Degree, but signed up enlisted, because he didn’t know he could be an officer.

He was otherwise a good and very intelligent person and the Corps School Staff got him orders to OIS to get a commission in the Medical Service Corps as a Medical Administration Officer.

Marci Harrington

You forgot the one everyone knows.Trump The one who got 5 deferments so he wouldn’t go to Vietnam. 4 for education and one for Heel spurs which magically disappeared afterwards

IDC SARC

yeah well he’s the CINC now Marci, so that must really knot your knickers.

Did it bother you that Obama never served?

26Limabeans

Trump is serving now. Hurts doesn’t it Marci?

A Proud Infidel®™

“Blowjob Willie” Clinton not only never served, he also wrote a letter disparaging the US Military while overseas on a Fulbright scholarship!

Ex-PH2

Marci, you still have a dick, don’t you? Yeah, I’ll bet my estrogen levels are a whole lot higher than yours are because I’m a REAL girl, not a manufactured one.

ArmyATC

You mean Trump did the same as tens of thousands of others, such as Democrat darling Bill Clinton? Well, since you put it that way…

USMC Steve

When they lop your dick off, do they also do a lobotomy to turn you into a special interest liberal too?

Silentium Est Aureum

Not to mention 70 percent of 18 year-olds aren’t even enlistment eligible to start.

Yeah, let’s flood the ranks with the blind/crippled/crazy. That’ll do wonders for readiness!

MSG Eric

2 Years of mandatory “service” to the country. Not everyone is cut out to be in the military. There are thousands of jobs in the US Govt that go unfilled. 2 years as anything in public service would be sufficient.

No waivers, no exemptions. If you’re disabled, you’ll get a job that you can still do. You a weird fucker who doesn’t know how to talk to people except through a computer screen? Plenty of those jobs too!

If you can meet the requirements and get through Basic Training, you can do your 2 years in the military. If you can’t make it through Basic and MOS training, so sorry, you get another public service job for the remainder of that 2 years.

Don’t like it? Move to one of those socialist utopias like Venezuela or Greece….

HMCS(FMF) ret

Question – But.. but… what will the snowflakes do out in the middle of nowhere with no internet, Whole Foods stores and living in their parents basement?

Answer – SKILLS. Nothing wrong with doing some manual labor to make a city/county/state look better/improve access/build or repair infrastructure. It worked for FDR during the depression, why not give it a try now?

It’s got to be better than a BS degree in 17th Century Trans-gendered Underwater Basket Weaving… and $100k of debt.

IDC SARC

still haven’t seen any of you come up with anything tangible to support the logistics and budget of conscripting 11,000 people a day.

and ya complain about politicians doing stupid things…wow

It doesn’t take an MBA to see the fallacy of extreme high expenditure to low return on financing what you propose. Aside from the fact that there is no constitutional basis for such an endeavor.

Even a draft must by law be approved by congress and is only funded for two years maximum.

It worked in Starship Troopers and that’s good enough, eh? 🙂

MSG Eric

You’re taking this fairly seriously IDC. At the end of the day, its an “idea” and I’m not in charge of anyone who makes those kind of decisions.

At the same time, we pay people millions of dollars to work shit out in the gummint, in a variety of organizations for a variety of issues. (We also pay people in this country to do NOTHING.)

Public service might be something “needed” to be implemented to get the average US citizen to fully understand how much is truly required for a country to function properly. At the same time, give them some appreciation of those that serve more than just saying, “thank you for your service” in an obligatory tone.

Putting 18-21 year old’s to task for 2 years of service is probably around 20 million people. That’s a lot, but hell, think of how much work could get done with that many people put to work to do it.

Again, public service is a huge variety of options and it could be a plausible idea. A Much better idea than just putting “everyone” in uniform because that is something we definitely don’t need. Until the bugs show up to try to kill us, that is.

IDC SARC

Not serious at all…nothing to be serious about, because it’s not going to happen.

Regardless where you put people you’re talking about a huge number of people and many here are just being cavalier about it like Jean Luke Picard, “Make it so”

If you put those people to work involuntarily and just pay them the federal minimum wage it will cost more than we currently spend on Defense. That’s not even considering the support and logistics of those personnel.

“Putting 18-21 year old’s to task for 2 years of service is probably around 20 million people.”

You’re quoting a static number, but you’ll bear the expense of constantly rotating these people in and out…it’s not the same people each year and they reach their age of service and expiration of servitude at different times, there’s no continuity.

“think of how much work could get done with that many people put to work to do it.”

You’re kidding right? You think these folks are going to give up their freedom with giddy laughter and thank you for the privilege of conscription? 🙂

IDC SARC

btw…I’m just hanging out here and doing skoolwerk…so again not being serious at all, just curious about what kinds of solutions y’all can actually come up with besides saying they outta jus serve cuz, ‘merica!

MSG Eric

Hey, get back to your schoolwork buddy, you’re so distracted you have trouble spelling skewlwurk.

Ex-PH2

Solutions? FCR’s work programs were the CCC, WPA, PWA and the TVA.

The CCC (Civilian Conservation Corps) is the entity that started the national parks system, in addition to planting trees along roadsides and wherever they could be planted to provide windbreaks to stop soil loss.
WPA – Works Progress Administration. My mother’s first job in the Depression was through this agency.
PWA – Public Works Administration, part of the New Deal of 1933, was a large-scale public works construction agency in the United States headed by Secretary of the Interior Harold L. Ickes. It was created by the National Industrial Recovery Act in June 1933 in response to the Great Depression.
TVA – is a federally owned corporation in the United States created by congressional charter on May 18, 1933 to provide navigation, flood control, electricity generation, fertilizer manufacturing, and economic development to the Tennessee Valley, a region particularly affected by the Great Depression. The enterprise was a result of the efforts of Senator George W. Norris of Nebraska. TVA was envisioned not only as a provider, but also as a regional economic development agency that would use federal experts and electricity to rapidly modernize the region’s economy and society. In other words it represented more construction jobs that taught real skills.
If we have a surplus of college grads who can’t find work because they have no job skills, then why not just revive these programs so that they can gain some job skills for the real world?
They were not ‘work-to-welfare’ programs. They were real jobs. As the Depression began to fade, the programs came to a slow end. So why not put all these eco-conscious kids into a new version of the CCC or WPA for two years, doing real stuff, getting real paychecks, and get their tiny minds off the political crap they whine about?

Ex-PH2

FCR?? Hah! Great typo. I mean FDR!!!

Hondo

If you put those people to work involuntarily and just pay them the federal minimum wage it will cost more than we currently spend on Defense.

That would be a no, IDC SARC. If I recall correctly, the number ends up to be considerably less than DoD’s current personnel costs – let alone DoD overall. And it’s far less than the VA budget as well.

Assuming your 11,000 per day turning 18 figure is correct, that works out to a bit over 4M individuals a year (4,015,000 based on a 365-day year). Assuming they’re employed at an average federal civilian salary of $23,000 (GS 1 or 2, step 1 or 2, RUS rates – which is well above the Federal minimum wage), with the standard 35% benefits load for civilian employees that works out to $124.666 billion.

If I recall correctly, last time I checked the DoD’s personnel costs were over $150B annually. Ditto for the VA’s budget.

Expensive? Yes. Worthwhile? Maybe, maybe not. But more expensive than DoD? Hardly. It would cost a bit more than 1 1/2 times what we spend on SNAP (formerly foodstamps).

IDC SARC

you can’t replace government employees with these short term unskilled fukks….sorry not even going to consider it beyond that.

You have little more than Lord of the Flies situation.

anyway…this premise is flawed and beyond absurdity/out

Ex-PH2

Whoa there, Big Fella? Unskilled fukks? Where do you think skills come from? You learn them, Tootsie. No one is born with them. Or have you forgotten your lowly existence in boot camp at Great Lakes already? Oh, wait – did you do NTC at San Diego?

IDC SARC

lol…did you fall and hit your head?

Ex-PH2

Oh, come on, SARC. Everyone starts at the bottom. You know that.

IDC SARC

Of course I do…but that has nothing to do with what I was saying…it’s just what you’re focusing on without apply the context.

Ex-PH2

Yes, but you said ‘unskilled fukks’, dear, and I responded accordingly.

IDC SARC

you just proved my point..thanks

Ex-PH2

No, I didn’t. You ignored my response (see above) that skills are acquired through training.

MSG Eric

I can always count on Hondo to do math when I really don’t want to.

Imagine that cost broken out amongst every federal department / agency and even state departments / agencies? Still expensive, but still a potentially worthwhile idea.

Granted, world war 3 is surely coming sometime soon which means most everyone will be serving because that’s what we’ll need, right?

At some point I’m sure people thought that we wouldn’t be in Afghanistan for 16 years because the thought of that with how our politicians function would be absurd, right? An idea is only absurd until someone makes it work successfully.

IDC SARC

Y’all have gone so tangential in this discussion from the original premise I can’t even comment.

People continue to focus on what they want to focus on without saying exactly what it is with any precision and all the while ignore the true additive expenses and the big picture which is ongoing and must also be considered as well as the facet of personal freedom in this country.

Kumbaya to you all. 🙂

MSG Eric

Pot, this is kettle. Life’s lookin’ black, over? 😉

Kumbaya back at ya. lol

IDC SARC

“right?”

sigh…no Eric and it is not a fitting or logical comparison to the premise..if anything it shows we can do what is necessary without forcing our citizens into conscription.

MSG Eric

During 9/11 people weren’t forced to, but during WW2 they were conscripted to do a variety of jobs and functions. Even the “turn in your rubber, this n’ that” stuff was a requirement as was needed for the war effort.

During the current Harvey situation people are being charitable and at their best without being required to.

I’d be happy to go back to work even if I were in my 50s or 60s during a war effort. Though it might be tougher if I had a chica like Dave’s or the like. Women, huh?

USMC Steve

The force with the draft was significantly inferior in its performance to the well trained volunteer force of today. Ask yourself how many of the draftees of past wars were cannon fodder and really nothing more? Draft ain’t viable, never really was, and history has borne that out.

IDC SARC

Don’t like it? Move to one of those socialist utopias like Venezuela or Greece….

No, why don’t you move there and make such decisions for your people. The United States, thankfully doesn’t allow such things.

It would be fun to see how long your rule there lasts. 🙂

MSG Eric

If I were put in charge of Venezuela, I wouldn’t have any energy left to fix the country after instituting Primae Noctis. Latino women are too gorgeous to pass that opportunity up.

IDC SARC

Colombians ain’t bad either.

just some feller

Sheesh, SARC …. get back to your dissertation already!

(^__^)

just some feller

Let me assist with your title:

I’D Hit It: A Scientific Approach to Supporting Sustained Internation Intercoital Relationships With Women

No … don’t thank me.

just some feller

International … dammit

HMCS(FMF) ret

I’d read it… and then see if I could put it to use outside of the laboratory

MSG Eric

I’m sure a few of us would be happy to test his hypothesis.

jonp

That’s not a little like a communist or fascist country is it? It goes directly against the idea of the Founding Fathers of individual sovereignty and being a free man. Be careful if you travel down that road. It did not ended well for 100,000,000 people in the last century.

Sapper3307

Sorry Lars, They still wont take you back.

A Proud Infidel®™

I wouldn’t be ONE BIT surprised if it turns out that Babbles McButthead was RIF’ed.

Commissar

I wasn’t. But you apparently hit your retention control point.

A Proud Infidel®™

*OOP!*, did I hit a soft spot again? HA-HA!!!

MSG Eric

Doubtful. Army Reserve Officers, especially at O-3 are a critical shortage, especially in 38A (Civil Affairs) and a few other Branches. Civil Affairs Battalions have about 60 officer positions and most of those are O-3 positions (about 40) and are filled at about 25% for CA Branch.

So, as long as he has a pulse, he’d pretty much have a job still.

A Proud Infidel®™

He must have let his true personality, attitude and character show which pissed the WRONG people off, so it was “Bye-bye, Babbles McButthead!”. That, he was one incompetent BOOB or a combination thereof, shitty OER’s do wonders for a career as well!

Commissar

Just shut the fuck up. You have no clue about me or my expertise. I was among the most experienced and qualified CA officers in my CACOM. The CA course has a pretty low completion rate. They fought to prevent me from taking a knee. Even when I turned down a command due to health reasons. My taking a knee was entirely due to medical reasons that made me unfit to deploy because I was having a great deal of unexplained and seemingly unrelated symptoms; severe fatigue, neurological problems, low pulse (resting of 38), low blood pressure (as low as 90/60 resting), wide-spread join paint, cognitive problems (brain fog) and memory issues, and difficulty swallowing, balance disturbances etc. It was bizarre and blood tests that would ordinarily be evidence of some specific diseases and explained some of the symptoms were not accepted as a diagnoses because they did not explain all of the symptoms. So they just assumed it was stress and psychological problems. It was not until I started choking on food and ended up in the emergency room (after a dozen ER visits over two years) that the first disease was discovered through biopsy. Then they realized it was not one disease causing everything but multiple diseases that struck at about the same time. So they went back and looked at previous positive blood tests and re-did everything. Even did a second biopsy. Confirmed their suspicion it was multiple diseases and started to actually treat them. It is assumed they were triggered by the combat outpost I lived on which was an abandoned industrial facility that had chemicals everywhere, and black molds saturating the walls, as well as several unidentified substances (it had also been destroyed in the Iran-Iraq war using chemical munitions but the position of the DOD is that chemical weapons residue does not persist long enough for that to be a factor). Additionally our food was prepared by literally cooking it on a barbecue grill directly over a pan of burning diesel. Directly saturating our food with diesel by products. So my system was overloaded… Read more »

IDC SARC

Yay…haven’t had to deal with one on Bragg….and now, hopefully won’t.

Redacted1775

Military service isn’t a right. Hell I disqualified way more people than I contracted for any number of reasons, medical, psychological, legal, you name it. It’s nothing new.

A Proud Infidel®™

It’s been said that only about 20% of all current applicants can actually qualify for Military Service right now.

Yef

David Hardin, that Mia Khalipha is wolf ugly.
Too fat and too old.

I’m sure you can google better than that.

IDC SARC

I’d hit it.

HMCS(FMF) ret

I second that…

MSG Eric

Third, but not third after these two. Who knows where they’ve been.

HMCS(FMF) ret

I got my shots… don’t know about IDC SARC.

MSG Eric

I probably got all the same shots. That’s what worries me.

IDC SARC

First in or last out…it’s all good.

The Other Whitey

Uh, Yef, just how drunk are you right now?

MSG Eric

So drunk he’s gone blind or cross-eyed.

HMCS(FMF) ret

That’s what happens when you pound the F5 key on Fridays… and he’s been beating it like a madman.

HMCS(FMF) ret

I’d recommend that you get seen at the nearest optometrist on Monday… to get your prescription updated.

Better yet, go get seen at sick-call and ask them to do a concussion workup, STAT.

A Proud Infidel®™

I second that.

HMCS(FMF) ret

He’s obviously never heard the saying, “In war, any hole is a trench”…

HT3 '83-'87

Ahhh, the legacy of Barry from Honolulu…identity politics. Your opinion is only valid as long as you’re as far to the left or even over the edge.

I wonder how the military ever won at Yorktown, Gettysburg, Belleau Wood, Normandy, Chosin Reservoir, Hue City, 73 Easting, and countless others without the ranks piled high and deep with “non-traditional” lifestyles and sexual preferences?

For all those libs out there crying, “…you conform to the military standard…the military standard does not conform to you” I was told in boot camp so many, many years ago…still holds thru.

David

I think our problems are Russian influence and university endowments, tax the endowments at 40%, and I believe our troubles would go away. Liberal left wing universities with billions of dollars of tax free money are a haven for the communists from all over the world.

Commissar

Having an uneducated population will not make our problems go away.

And Russian influence is a bigger problem in our political system and the energy trade than at universities.

Russia is not even communist anymore so your connection between Russia and communists at universities is nonsensical.

And your fear of communists in general is, as always, absurd.

Communism is not the same as socialism which is not the same as market socialism.

Only market socialism has much of an influence on our economy and political ideas.

And you military service is part of market socialist theories. Since modern capitalism argues that even national defense should be privatized. The notion that some things are better funded by the government (law enforcement, emergency services, military, etc.) is a mixed market or even market socialist notion.

While 19 century capitalist theory thought the military was a role for the government it was impossible to make the model work. The center did not hold. For the capitalist model to hold ALL goods and services were relegated to the market.

Capitalism in the purist form still does not actually work in practice, but the idealized economic model does.

A Proud Infidel®™

JUST be a little more full of SHIT than you are right now and we can start calling you John “Lurch” Kerry Junior!!!

Commissar

You constantly fail to ever actually address anything I say.

You are either to ignorant to do it or too lazy.

Or you are just trolling.

But none of the reasons says anything positive about your character.

Fyrfighter

DON’T FEAR THE COMMIE!

MSG Eric

“The goal of socialism, is communism.” Vladmir Lenin.

In order for communism to be successful, you must first have socialism. – Marx

The reason why Socialism fails is because people are involved. Animal Farm quickly ensues. Granted, one of our biggest issues in the US now is that we have an elite group of pigs in DC (and Hollywood) who think we should have separate laws from them.

However, over the last 8 years Democrats have lost over 1000 elected seats between state and federal positions and more republican governors than in years. So at the least there is “some” turnover.

Commissar

First, there is no evidence Lenin actually said that.

We have hundreds of pages of Lenin’s written works and that quote is not in any of them.

Besides, it is flat false to say the goal of socialism is communism. It does not make sense; because socialism does not work without its CENTRAL tenet; “to each according to their CONTRIBUTION”. And Lenin would have understood that.

There is nothing like that quote attributed to Lenin in any works written by any major historical theorist. Which is why the quote is likely not real.

Ex-PH2

Lenin was talking about socialism. What he was talking about was that eventually, due to various factors such as the ending of scarcity, socialism would create the material conditions necessary for communism to come about.

“The goal of socialism is communism” then becomes “socialist society is eventually going to pave the way for communist society”.

Commissar

It is not a real quote.

Lenin never said that. In fact his entire argument is that CAPITALISM sets the conditions for Communism, but unlike Marx, Lenin he believed it would take to a period of global FINANCE capitalism where the consumption to keep capitalism from collapsing would be done though wars financed by borrowing from capitalists.

It would essentially reach a point where the demand for goods to fuel the engines of capitalism would be provided by the destructive consumption of war financed by borrowing from the capitalists themselves. A desperate period of end stage capitalism where the global economy would try to fend off its own collapse by generating massive demand for production through the destructive consumption of war.

There is literally NEVER a period of socialism in his descriptions of how capitalism is doomed to fail and how communism will rise through a global revolution

The quote you repeated is literally nowhere in any of his works.

It is a false attribution.

If it were real there would be a source. At least a date or context. Something to give it a historical reference.

This quote has no historical basis and it is inconsistent with what he actually wrote and his theory about how things would play out in the global political economy.

USMC Steve

I had no idea you had read every word that fucking communist piece of shit ever wrote.

11B-Mailclerk

You cannot seriously believe that only folks who attend a University are educated? Seriously?

That sort of attitude is abysmally ignorant of human reality. I would hope you are not an advocate of such a foolish belief.

Ex-PH2

Oh, geez, 11B, I knew people in the 1960s and 1970s who had no college but were head and shoulders above whatshisname in comprehension and skill sets. The obsession in questions is indicative of a personality disorder – can’t remember which one – in someone disdainful of everyone unless they wave their degress under his nose.

Commissar

I did not claim that. But universities are a MAJOR source of education in our society and our workers need to be able to compete with a GLOBAL educated workforce.

And you lack of understanding of the global economy and the need to be educated from a FORMAL university to compete in it is a problem many anti-intellectuals have.

Yet they bitch that “foreigners” are taking their jobs.

MSG Eric

Universities are a major source of information. Information doesn’t make one intelligent. Intelligence does not make one wise. In some universities it seems “education” is not their primary effort or function.

Schools are a tool, but too often people become ‘Tools’ because they went to a certain school and think that’s all they need in life.

USMC Steve

Universities are a source of nothing more now than leftist indoctrination and stupidity. Courtesy of the Dumbing Down of America, started under Slick Willy Clinton and his crime family.

IDC SARC

Lolz

11B-Mailclerk

-I- lack understanding of the global economy?

“Anti-intellectual”?

Oh, my. that screed of yours was about the funniest thing of yours I have ever read. I can think of a few colleagues and associates who will -howl- when I pass those whoppers along.

You have filled you head with so many things, much of which apparently “just ain’t so”. Your ability to collate and compare seems also to be broken. Reason only works within the odd fences upon which you have constrained it. You argue less effectively than the Tellerite-Klingon debate league.

If you would just ditch that chip on your shoulder, you might actually be somewhat effective at putting forth your position. But you seem to start from “see how smart I am” and devolve rapidly to scorn from there.

Your disdain for me is of near zero value. Actually, I rather prefer it, based on your typically contemptible behavior.

You are not nearly as smart as you believe. You demonstrate it rather frequently.

Ex-PH2

Obviously, if you don’t wave your degree(s) and transcripts in his face, then you have no education or anything else, making you one of the groundhogs instead of a part of the Cloud People.

UpNorth

Yes, Commissar, you have proven that you really do suffer from “cognitive problems”.

Commissar

Yes. Less so lately.

USMC Steve

True, communism is no longer hand in hand tied to socialism. One is a political ideology, the other is the socioeconomic by product of communism. In practice, Russia is still communist, and very socialist. The reason for that is Putin in charge, and their inability to adapt to a true capitalist model. They are not a flexible people, and their government still thinks it controls most of Europe.

Commissar

While I think it is possible to accommodate gender identity disorder itself, I do not think the gender transition process if compatible with military service.

There are hundreds of medical conditions that are incompatible with military service and very few are the fault of the applicant.

The military simply cannot provide for or accommodate their medical or psychological needs in a way that is conducive for their health or the effectiveness of the military.

Gender is a constitutionally protected category so this controversy is not over. Not by a long shot. This will be in the courts for a while. While the judicial system is not the greatest place to adjudicate all the complexities of gender identity with respect to military operations and military service in general, at least the courts are better at it than the political process.

Hondo

You keep saying that “Gender is a constitutionally protected category . . . . “. How about you cite a source for that claim?

Please explain – other than one obscure EEOC ruling that may not be widely applicable, depending on the precise circumstances of its issuance – what legal basis you have for making that statement. Even the Civil Rights Act is limited in applicability to gender to employment matters – and so long as both genders (male and female) are treated equally, there’s no issue there.

Further: EEOC decisions are not law, nor are they legal precedents regarding the law. They are decisions on how Federal regulations will be interpreted and enforced.

Congress can change the underlying laws, and the controlling agency – typically NOT the EEOC – can change the regulations themselves. Further, Federal court decisions can overturn EEOC rulings.

In short – put up or shut up on this issue, Commissar. Cite an authoritative source for your claim. Or admit you cannot.

Stephen McCartney

Gender dysphoria is a mental illness (per the American Psychiatric Association) with complicating issues surrounding it’s symptoms consisting of depression-anxiety and an unacceptable degree of suicide. Suicide rate after sexual reassignment surgery is no less. This is a reason NOT to allow them to enlist in the armed forces, but really they need care appropriate professional care. Mental illness is NOT treated with hormones and a scalpel. CAPT Bones USN (ret)

Ex-PH2

Thank you, doc, I enjoy being a real girl.

jonp

I have a feeling that tranny’s are not driven by a need to serve this country more than any other group although the MSM makes it sound like everyone of them are standing in line to raise their hand. I think it has more to do with getting someone to pay for the surgery then get the hell out of dodge.

just some feller

Gender dysphoria is a mental illness….

Yeah …. but when will the DSM be changed again due to political correctness?

Homosexuality was categorized as a mental disorder by the DSM-II until 1987.

USMC Steve

And to a great degree from what I have seen of homosexuals, both male and female the last few years, that designation should still apply.