“Unnamed officials” tell CNN that FITZGERALD collision was Navy’s fault
CNN quotes unnamed officials who blame the Navy for the collision between USS FITZGERALD and the ACX Crystal last month which cost seven sailors their lives;
The initial findings are just the first stage in what is expected to be a lengthy inquiry. Both officials said the initial investigation found that the Fitzgerald crew failed to understand and acknowledge the cargo ship was approaching and failed to take any action necessary to avoid the collision. It’s also not clear if the crew ever called the commanding officer to come to the bridge.
The officials say investigators are also looking at the possibility that the ship was traveling at a higher speed than expected in order to reach a location it was due to arrive at the next next day.
I don’t think it’s news that two people who may or may not have a connection to the investigation talk to CNN without giving their names. But, you know, CNN has such a great reputation for accurate coverage of news, who can doubt them (that was sarcasm).
I’m only mentioning the story to stem the emails to my inbox. I have no confidence in this article.
Update: Statement from the Navy;
“We are in the early stages of the investigation process to develop a comprehensive picture of what caused the collision and do not have any definitive information to release at this time. It is premature to speculate on causation or any other issues. Once we have a detailed understanding of the facts and circumstances, we will share those findings with the Fitzgerald families, our Congressional oversight committees and the general public.”
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I have FAR MORE faith and trust in the integrity of The National Enquirer than I do for CNN.
At least The National Enquirer gives the Men In Black good intel.
My confidence level in CNN is pretty much in the deficit range.
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On a more serious note the National Enquirer also gave us John Edwards when the gatekeeper media ignored the story.
An unnamed official? must be one of the clinton scum?
And those ‘unnamed officials’ are Seaman Joe Doaks, Ensign (about to be busted to E-2) Jimmy ‘the Beans’ Fatarski, and a very disgruntled Bosuns Mate Jack Shitt, who declined to comment unless he was given enough money to hire a Hong Kong – er, pay for a date on shore liberty.
Along with Seaman Staines.
And don’t forget the PAO Lt.Jg Jack Mehoff.
Al Jazeera and RT, even through their propaganda-laden lens, are more accurate than CNN.
CNN–the most busted network news in the world.
Uummmmmmm……yeah. Not.
Any story that starts with “CNN” and “unnamed officials/sources” is #FakeNews.
Meh … trusting CNN to report truth is about the same as trusting Satan not to Lie.
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etc.
Yes, I’ll still respect you in the morning.
Or, “Respect you in the morning? Hell, I don’t respect you now.”
Holy hell, I needed a good laugh this morning! Thanks Chip! Granted I need a new keyboard and screen now, but it was well worth it.
It’s only a cold sore.
The check’s in the mail.
you forgot the worst: “I’m from the government and I’m here to help you”
That may be the greatest deceit of all.
I’ll be gentle.
LOL!!! Heard a few of those back in the day. Yeah, I just LOOK naïve and stupid 🙂
This will only hurt for a little while.
This is just a courtesy inspection.
Dang, Chip. That’s some oldies …
It’s not loaded.
I’m sterile.
CNN, The Abortion of the news media, that lived.
While I was on the USS Austin in 1985 I was lucky enough to get qualified as Quartermaster. Fred Olds was an outstanding Captain in every sense of the word.
How this event could have happened is completely beyond me. Standing watch on the Bridge of a United States Navy ship is generally uneventful.
But, even the Gator LPD knew what surface craft where within 50 miles of it. I suspect that all this new ‘automation’ being used is probably responsible.
No way a Quartermaster standing watch would not have take action, I kinda doubt the art of Dead Reckoning is used these days…so are the set of eyes that went along with it.
Unnamed sources say CNN’s Anderson Cooper likes to dress up as Isadora Duncan when he goes to the Metropolitan Opera. Speaking on deep background, they have also indicated that CNN wanted Anderson to work on the USS Fitzgerald story but he didn’t know what a “ship” was.
But he sure knows semen….
He might not know what a ship is, but I bet he finds a ship’s fan room to his liking…
checking the fan rooms on the OKIE 3 AC&R watch would find strange objects inside. Never skated in there except for the AC Chilled water tank spaces with our Playboy magazines.
Unnamed sources report that Sally Kohn rides dirty on AC, with a rhinestone dildo.
Err, do you have Sally’s email address and phone number?…I just want to verify your report…
No, but word is that he/she hangs out at the Blue Oyster.
y’know, even CNN may get it right some times. It’s kind of difficult trying to spin this as anything BUT neglect on the part of the bridge watch . That container ship is not exactly a stealth vessel.
The “Blind Pig and the Acorn” principle?
“Navy officials would not confirm the report Friday and said it was “way too early” to be discussing specifics of the investigation. ”
“One defense official said the accident “will wind up being our [U.S. Navy’s] fault,” according to CNN.”
“Another official said the crew did nothing until the last second and that “a slew of things went wrong.””
https://www.navytimes.com/articles/preliminary-findings-suggest-navy-at-fault-in-fitzgerald-collision-report-says
If you read the article, their article is 100% based on the CNN article.
Exactly. Miltary Times was/is owned by Gannett (think USA Today and a few others). Reprinting each others fake stories is how they generate the false sense of multiple reports showing a certain angle on a story.
As quoted, REAL Navy officials say it’s ‘way too early. CNN Fake officials say it’s a done deal.
Yep.
Military Times (whichever way you color it, i.e. “Marine Corps Times”, “Army Times”, et al) are all useless rags.
I’ve held those rags with disdain for a long time.
The first time I was stationed in Hawaii, one evening I got a call from Navy Times begging me to subscribe. As soon as I knew it was them, I said (emphatically) NOT interested.
“But, but, but…I’m calling from WASHINGTON DC!!!”
I just laughed and hung up. Self-important dorks.
“Unnamed source” does not mean they did not verify that the source is anonymous to CNN. CNN would know if the source has the credibility and access to speak on the issue.
They stake their reputation on it every time. Sometimes they are wrong. All agencies are from time to time. CNN is more trusted than most. And the only demographic that finds it less trustworthy than trustworthy is the “very conservative” demographic.
I was waiting, breathless with anticipation, for this moment.
Et delator es et calumniator,
et fraudator es et negotiator,
et fellator es et lanista. Miror
quare non habeas, Commissar, nummos.
Wow. You speak Latin?
I think I understand a couple words.
The snitch is lying,
the thieve is … negotiating?
the killer is the boss?
You don’t have…a case?
Habeas is crime or case, right?
Habeas is ‘you have’, from habere, ‘to have’. ‘Habeas corpus’ means ‘have the body’.
Lest ‘habeas corpus’ is misunderstood, a writ of habeas corpus means means ‘go get him’.
I’m pretty sure nummos means nothing.
Loosely translated, and I mean LOOSELY, it goes as follows
You are both an informer and a slanderer,
you are both a con-man and a salesman,
you are both a cocksucker and gladiator trainer.
I wonder why you haven’t got any coin, Commissar.
I believe calling someone a gladiator trainer was akin to saying ‘you’re a waterboy for the Phillies’, or close to it.
you made my day.
That an indeterminate number of the populace may still trust CNN is not indicative of the reliability of that news source.
Given their recent track record and apparent propensity to cast in a negative light anything concerning the military or the current administration, taking the “wait and see” stance is eminently reasonable.
And while everyone make mistakes, I am much less concerned about them being “wrong” than being intentionally misleading.
HEY Babbles McButthead, JUST WHO are CNN’s “Unnamed Sources”, the invisible Russian Hackers they say that rigged the election?
You lose yet again.
Right, because they’ve proven themselves paragons of journalistic integrity, especially lately.
You can try to convince me that that’s rain sprinkling my leg, but the smell of piss tells me otherwise.
“They stake their reputation on it every time”
aye, there’s the rub 🙂
We’ve been over this before, Lars. One of the bigger problems with the news media these days, in addition to hidden agendas and opinion creeping into hard news stories, is the pervasive use of anonymous sources.
It also matters if the reporter is the only one who knows who the source is, because it’s sort of like peer review in science and the need for information to be replicable. Using anonymous sources also introduces more of a tendency toward the logical fallacy of false authority. In the CNN story, for example, we don’t know if a source is an admiral at the Pentagon or a janitor.
A lot of the mainstream media has now turned into the equivalent of crack whores sucking on an off-the-record pipe.
There was a fair amount of discussion about the ethics of this in journalism circles a few years ago. Part of The debate centered on whether the demands of a 24-hour news cycle– and personal brand building by reporters– made it acceptable to release flawed stories on the first pass, and then correct them later. One problem is that the flaws need to be specifically called out to keep things from becoming part of the historical record. Which doesn’t always happen.
Lars.
You’re an idiot.
BWAHAHA!
Don’t hold back MSgt!
Lars, why don’t you quit when you are ahead. Wait, you have never been ahead….the other commentators on this blog have proven that time after time. Maybe you need to take heed and remove your head out of your butt! “They stake their reputation on it every time. Sometimes they are wrong………. CNN is more trusted than most. ” Sometimes they are wrong? A quick google of their misleading or wrong stories prove that they are both consistently wrong or misleading (insert the word “lying” in place of “misleading”…..means the same in this case). CNN Reports Hands Up, Don’t Shoot CNN Falsely Claims Sherelle Smith Was ‘Calling For Peace’ CNN Says It’s Illegal To Look At Wikileaks CNN Says Rape Is Pre-Existing Condition Under ACHA CNN Had To Correct False Comey Report They Posted Coverage of Iranian protests In June 2009, during CNN’s coverage of the Iranian election protests, the network used several messages posted on Twitter and attributed them to unnamed “sources”. A CNN spokesman said it was a mistake Suppression of Bahraini protests, and reporting of Iran and Syria In October 2011, correspondent Amber Lyon told a European news service that she had been directed by CNN to report selectively, repetitively and falsely in order to sway public opinion in favor of direct American aggression against Iran and Syria,[35] and that this was common practice under CNN. Operation Tailwind In 1998, CNN, in partnership with corporate sister Time magazine, ran a report that Operation Tailwind in 1970 in Vietnam included use of Sarin gas to kill a group of defectors from the United States military. Coverage of the Cleveland kidnapping victims On the morning of May 7, 2013, CNN interrupted coverage of the Jodi Arias murder trial with an update of the release of three young women from Cleveland, Ohio who were kidnapped by Ariel Castro between 2002 and 2004. CNN correspondent Ashleigh Banfield appeared to interview HLN host Nancy Grace from a remote location, and it appeared that both were filming from parking lots. The channel graphics later alerted viewers that both reporters were in Phoenix, Arizona.… Read more »
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CNN trusted… like Pravda, Major Idiot?
See the NAVY’S statement here:
http://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=73530&cpage=1#comment-3016252
As usual, COMMISSAR Commissar is full of fresh bovine-sourced plant fertilizer, as is his ‘trusted source’ CNN, a/k/a Crackpot Nitwits Network.
Or should that be Crackheads Nincompoops Network?
Anonymous sources are by definition unreliable. We used to trust the news organization to do due diligence so the the quotes are deemed reliable, but these days they’re not reliable at all. In case you hadn’t noticed, leaks are rampant and usually politically motivated these days.
Every single major media group -including CNN- has been caught using unreliable sources or sometimes outright lying. The trick is to blare the “news” as loudly as possible, then whisper the correction or retraction as quietly as possible.
The “very conservative” demographic, as you put it, deems the mainstream media unreliable because they believe their own lying eyes instead of the BS shoveled at them every night. You find groups like CNN reliable because what they say fits conveniently into your pre-concieved (and I must say unexamined) belief system. It’s an excellent example of confirmation bias.
Common sense would indicate that the pooch got screwed on both ships. The container ship picked up the destroyer long before the collision, and there’s no way in Hell the DDG, with radars that can cook sea birds in flight, shouldn’t have seen a ginormous freakin’ container ship coming at them.
Even a deliberate ramming attempt by the nimble-as-a-glacier container ship should be avoidable by an Arleigh Burke. The reverse, not so much, but the Fitzgerald didn’t ram the ACX Crystal. Both ships should have been able to avoid the collision.
I suspect this is the case.
Just can’t wrap my head around how a modern guided-missile destroyer with all of that DETECTION ability didn’t see something the size of a container ship on a collision course with them, without at least one, and probably several, major screw-ups on the crews part.
Wouldn’t be surprised if several people get cashiered.
I don’t understand any of this….I’m a fucking grunt and I own a sailboat…I have a radar system that cost about a $1,000 that lets me set a warning zone so that anytime anything gets within a mile of me the fucking radar beeps my iphone or my ipad to let me know where to look…my ipad is my radar screen….
If an idiot like me can sort this shit out how can professionals fuck this up so badly?
Professionals built the Titanic.
Amateurs built the Ark.
Just sayin’
Well there is that…so far I haven’t hit anything with my boat…not even the dock when I come back in…I’m pretty good with the prop walk to make myself tap the dock and look like I know what the hell I’m doing…
Um, no lookouts on the weather deck. No crow’s nest on the masts to holler warnings to the weather deck. IF they followed sailing methods (eyes on), this might not happen.
But mostly just not paying attention.
FoxNews: “‘There were many people who should have spoken up,’ one U.S. official, who was not authorized to speak publicly about an ongoing investigation, told Fox News” (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/07/21/uss-fitzgerald-collision-crew-should-have-spoken-up-before-accident-official-says.html).
That’s pretty much what Veritas Omnia Vincit said. It’s not the same as saying it was the Fitzgerald’s fault.
Sorry too pee mom your CNN hate fest but google USCG rules of the road, read the part about stand on and give way vessels. It’ll become clearer who was at fault. After 12 years of OOD watches, FTZ was at fault as they were the give way vessel. They got crunched on the STBD side. It sucks, and it was a human tragedy to be sure, but they should have maneuvered to get out of that container ship’s way. Substantial damage and loss of life for nothing but human error. The ship is 150 yards from my office and every time I go past that dry dock I shake my head and think there but by the grace of God go I.
Understand it’s all hind sight, but count those that could have had a hand in, or could have prevented this: OOD, JOOD, CICWO, STBD lookout, aft lookout, CIC watch supervisor,, CIC surface plotter, BMOW. Any one of those people could have either issued an order for a course change or could have called the CO to the bridge. The ship got U/W that afternoon and had been in port for over a week so crew fatigue wouldn’t be an issue. They were loitering west of Oshima island in an area of very dense merchant traffic which was a bad place to be. 9 of my 12 years of OOD watches were in these waters and that is a bad place to do donuts. They were out there waiting to link up for an exercise. The JAGMAN will tell the story, but they were in the wrong from a rules standpoint. Hope we get a lot of lessons learned from that report. Ok, CNN hate fest resume on charted course.
Well, the lookouts prolly couldn’t have gotten the CO to the bridge since they would have had to leave their station. If they had big stones, maybe, but not likely. I am waiting to find out what configuration the plant was in, that’ll tell us a lot about the overall maneuverability of the ship.
The only way they could possibly not be at fault is if they were restricted in their ability to maneuver or were a vessel not under command. Knowing what lurks west of Oshima Island, if either of these were the case a prudent mariner would not be in that location, unless they had lost their ability to make way. Nobody has piped up about any of that though.
Update: Statement from the Navy;
Yep, can’t wait to read that JAGMAN. A lot of lessons learned will be in there. Still doesn’t negate the fact FTZ was where she was and what her responsibilities were under the rules of the road for navigation.
when I was working, I had a class B CDL license and the company required us to take the Smith course of defensive driving. Our instructor used to tell us that a collision will only take place when two objects are in the same place at the same time.
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