When Accounts Come Due

| March 27, 2017

VENEZUELA-POLITICS/

I marched and shouted in the streets

I started fires and fed the heat

Expecting I’d be queen of all

Expecting I’d stand ten feet tall

And no one told a fool like me

That monsters like them just used me

It wasn’t all it seemed

I lost my dreams

It appears that Venezuela’s government (Maduro) is scrapping elections, including the various gubernatorial elections, because he doesn’t want to find out how truly unpopular he is. The Chavismo party (Chavez) is cracking down on everything.  Elections are great when you’re popular; not so much when people want to see you dragged through the streets or something.

Medicine is not just in short supply, it is nearly nonexistent. The bolivar is worthless. There is little to no food on store shelves, bakeries have been seized by Maduro’s government, including two owned by immigrants,  and OTC medicines are generally missing from drug store shelves. What do you do when you can’t get aspirin? Chew on willow bark?

The real problem is that Maduro knows now that his popularity has crashed and doesn’t intend to hold the promised elections, period.  While there are people in several of the states in that country running for governor, the probability of an election actual appears to be nil for the foreseeable future.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/venezuela-elections-suspended-1.4036425

Even the Cuban doctors who went there voluntarily found chaos and were forced by Maduro to lie about the conditions they found there, and the pay they received, in order to provide the statistics he wanted. They went to the US embassy in Colombia back in October 2016 to get away from it and tell the truth.

http://todayvenezuela.com/2017/03/24/cuban-doctors-sent-to-venezuela-say-they-were-deceived-forced-to-fabricate-statistics/

Nothing to fear from las comunistas. eh? Bolivaristas, comunistas – it’s all the same thing, no matter what the moronic know-it-alls or any other poo-flinging SJW howler monkeys think or say.  The difference is that in this country, we’re awake, we see the reality of that crap, we grew up under that kind of threat, and we are not as easily subjugated or fooled as people who’ve grown up in serfdom or dictatorships.

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Hack Stone

Is Sean Penn available for comment?

The Other Whitey

The guy who supports women’s rights by beating women? That guy?

desert

Send everyone of the communist maggots in our govt down there and leave them, they like that sick communist bullshyt so much!!

Graybeard

Wow, Ex-PH2, you’re really primed for our weekly Lars-snarking this week, aren’t you?

Having lived in Venezuela as a child, I am saddened by what has become of the country. Natural resources are not destiny.

Yef

In 10 years? We will be flying around in self-driving passenger drones.

Passenger drone in Dubai

Mike

This is what happens when Democratic Socialism fails. It ceases to be Democratic.

Graybeard

Whatever happens, I know that it will be bloody, the body count will be very high, and the innocent will suffer the most.

Eden

Some good friends of mine have close family down there. They are constantly on my mind as I read the news coming out of Venezuela.

The Other Whitey

I once talked with a Romanian immigrant who said that their army was behind Ceaucescu right up to the moment that shit got real, because the troops in Bucharest were mostly local boys. So when they were supposed to shoot their own families and friends, it rapidly turned into “Fuck you, boss!” and Ceaucescu got shot instead.

rgr769

Don’t leave out the part where they gave him and Mrs. Ceaucescu a fair trial, which lasted about five minutes, before his soldiers shot them. I’m a big fan of due process.

A Proud Infidel®™

I remember the news headline statement from Romania that Christmas Day, the statement from there was “It’s Christmas Day and the Anti-Christ is dead!” referring to Ceaucescu’s execution.

CB Senior

It is neither Democratic or Socialism. It is outright incompetence and thievery.
No Government no matter what it is called would function with this scenario.

CB Senior

Socialism

noun
1.
a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2.
procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3.
(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles
Communism
noun
1.
a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.
2.
(often initial capital letter) a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.

Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were full blown dictators in Communist countries. Them calling it Socialism was akin to “Shell Shocked” becoming “Battle Fatigue”. Terrible thing with a nice new name.
Way to roll out the Bogey man though.

CB Senior

Oh Venezuela is well on it’s way to being someone else’ idea of a Workers Paradise. That is the problem, when you let that someone else define that Paradise. Definitely looking like stage 2.5. Soon to reach stage 3.

Dg15

Seems you are fond of Socialism or its dictionary definitions. Can you please provide the stated goal of those who codified Socialism and Communism? Please start with the obvious – Marx, but also include his associates such as Mikhail Bakunin, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon and Heinrich Heine. What is the endstate for societies adopting Socialism?

CB Senior

Fuck Off. Take your smarmy homework assignment and stick up your ass.

No I am fond of un-bending pretzels that people love to bend themselves into around here.

11b-mailclerk

On reflection, I prefer your answer.

11B-Mailclerk

End state? Economic wreckage, grinding poverty, humanity enslaved, and mountains of corpses furtively buried.

desert

ALL SOCIALISM FAILS, it always has, always will! leaves no room for initiative, invention, FREEDOM!

A Proud Infidel®™

SOCIALISM, a system so great that it has to be forced upon a populace once it’s installed.

“The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money” – Lady Margaret Thatcher

Eden

Wow, a two-fer today. Norkiland and Venezuela. Surely Lars will be along soon to sneer down his nose at us and tell us that we’re all wrong, that “American” socialism is DIFFERENT.

David

Always liked “Boy I Really Tied One On” more. I suspect I prompted more than a few to remember those lyrics in my younger days.

Silentium Est Aureum

This is what the Berniebots want. They just don’t realize this is the end point of their wish list.

Sad part is, with their oil and natural resource reserves, they SHOULD be a fairly well-off nation.

Silentium Est Aureum

Actually, Chavez came to power in 2002, when the price of crude was about $26/bbl.

It currently stands at $55/bbl. And while that is substantially less than the $147 peak in 2098, or the $100 level it was at in 2013 when Chavez kicked, it takes 33 bushels for one ton=about 2000 bushels of wheat per day to provide what the Venezuelan government has so totally fucked up.

Current price of wheat is $4.25/bushel. Multiply that by 2000, you get $8500/day. That’s 154 barrels of oil. Basically, that’s less than half of what one tanker truck holds.

Put it into that perspective, and it show how miserable the failure of socialism really is.

Silentium Est Aureum

And I used 60 tons of wheat, so the comparison is even more stark than my estimates.

Silentium Est Aureum

Obviously that’s just one of many commodities Venezuela needs, but even in a “depressed” oil market, they exported nearly $28 BILLION worth of crude, in a nation of just over 30 million.

Eden

They were 30 days late on their most recent debt payment to the U.S.

Graybeard

The money is no doubt going into Swiss bank accounts or other locations in the name of certain individuals in positions of government/military authority.

The truth is, Socialism fails because it gives power to a few, and people are greedy, self-centered creatures. It is part of what in Judeo-Christianity is known as the ‘sin nature’.

We cannot trust any human being, even ourselves, to not at some point act in a self-centered manner. We need a system of checks and balances, of accountability, a buddy system, to keep ourselves in line.

Even more so our governments.

UpNorth

Think Bolivia. Evo Morales is butt buddies with Maduro. Non-extradition with Venezuela, perfect place to hide one’s ill-gotten booty.

A Proud Infidel®™

Is it any wonder that Chavez’s daughter is one of THE richest people in Venezuela?

GDContractor

Chavez won the election of Dec 6, 1998. I remember because I was boarding and Alaska Airlines flight to go to Prudhoe Bay and there was a Wall Street Journal in my seat. There was a front-page article about the importance of the Venezuelan election in which Chavez was a candidate. Of course the media said nothing about the outcome of the election or its importance. Someday I will track down that Wall Street Journal article. It was prescient.

Eden

Maduro actually accused the bakeries of making pastries instead of bread, and used that excuse to seize the bakeries.

The Other Whitey

“Let them eat cake,” vol. 2?

Eden

Pretty much. The bakeries weren’t making bread because they couldn’t get flour, not because they used it all for pastries. Maduro and his cronies are too corrupt to see that. And of course, anyone whose business is seized is automatically considered a criminal, put on Venezuela’s “no-fy” list, and arrested.

Eden

Of course. These Venezuelan socialists learned their lessons well.

HMC Ret

Oh, PH, my girl, you’re a hopeless romantic. At Seventeen, by, I think, Janis Ian.

Wilted Willy

Lars aka Poodle Dick, is busy changing his wet bed sheets before his mother comes down in the basement!

Eden

Oh, let’s don’t. I don’t have the energy today for his verbal diarrhea.

Graybeard

I think on this thread and the Norkiland thread he won’t have the courage to say anything until 0300Z.

Eden

So far so good, but I’m going to bed now, just in case. Y’all have the watch.

A Proud Infidel®™

Normally I’d say something to the effect of pleading not to conjure his presence and that I enjoy the absence of him but he never showed up on the last thread about Venezuela and the failures of socialism.

11b-mailclerk

But (adjective) Socialism is -different-, because it actually works! See, there will always be plenty of other peoples’ money to spread around in the (adjective) Socialism system, thus it succeeds. Especially because it will be done right, by the right leaders, thus the People will support (adjective) Socialism and make it work. (Especially those other folks who’s money we plan to spread around, or else)

Cuz (adjective)! And Leaders! And it will be -different- this time!

….

And you are all doubters and wrong and meanies, and lack the wider view and knowledge to understand this stuff.

……

Nah. No one would actually say something like that….

HMCS(FMF) ret

Don’t forget about having “empiric data” to prove their point… it’s all about the “empiric data”.

The Other Whitey

My in-laws saw them up close already. They don’t recommend it.

The Other Whitey

Didn’t think you did, Ex. Just thought I’d reinforce your point.

rgr769

Several years ago, the Protest Warrior group was selling a T-shirt that said: “Communism has only killed about a 100 million people, but let’s just give it another chance.” I almost bought one just to piss off the super proggie I worked with, when we went to the gym near the office. He was also a Berzerkley grad who never stopped drinking their Kool-Aide.

A Proud Infidel®™

You forgot to add EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE!!

Eden

Check that, Proud. I think it’s called “empiric evidence”.

The Other Whitey

Why don’t they just shoot his ass and be done with it?

A Proud Infidel®™

I was very sure he wasn’t going to show up and so far I’m right. I still stand by my hypothesis I stated earlier, Milady!

rgr769

Let’s hope the crypto-commie/”socialist” asshole self-implodes, and he and his government and its bootlikers end up like that Romanian commie, Ceaucescu.

rgr769

“bootlickers.”

Eden

Scary stuff. My friends’ relatives in Venezuela are never far from my mind. I’m praying they can and will get out before it’s too late.