Russia’ s ambassador to Turkey murdered
Andrey Karlov, the Russian ambassador to Turkey was murdered by a gunman at a photo exhibit today. According to ABC News, he had a message for us;
“Don’t forget Aleppo, don’t forget Syria. Don’t forget Aleppo, don’t forget Syria,” the gunman yelled in Arabic during the attack. “Until these places are safe you will not taste any safety either.”
Here’s a disturbing video of the shooting;
The UK’s Telegraph says that the shooter was a Turkish police officer.
Turkey and Russia have been trying to evacuate civilians from Aleppo, Syria but the last two days, convoys were attacked by ISIS seriously hindering those evacuations. The New York Times reports that the UN has voted to send monitors to Aleppo to report back to the UN on the progress there.
I’m guessing that the Russians won’t be excusing the gunman’s behavior with tales of a video, nor will they be asking “what difference does it make”?
Category: Terror War
“The New York Times reports that the UN has voted to send monitors to Aleppo to report back to the UN on the progress there.”
Well, THAT makes me feel better already.
Rest in peace, Ambassador. I’m sure that your countrymen will avenge you pretty forcefully.
Given past experience, how long will it be before the monitors have yo be rescued?
45 minutes
Would said “Monitors” even be issued ammo for their weapons? IMHO the United Nothing has a horrible record when it comes to taking care of those deployed by them.
Russia and Turkey at it again; posits the old question: “If Russia assaults Turkey from the rear, would Greece help?” ===== https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gt0PRpnShQ The MGM cartoon is playing with the 1877 song (Russo-Turkish War) by Percy French: Abdul Abulbul Amir The sons of the Prophet are brave men and bold And quite unaccustomed to fear, But the bravest by far in the ranks of the Shah, Was Abdul Abulbul Amir. If you wanted a man to encourage the van, Or harass the foe from the rear, Storm fort or redoubt, you had only to shout For Abdul Abulbul Amir. Now the heroes were plenty and well known to fame In the troops that were led by the Czar, And the bravest of these was a man by the name Of Ivan Skavinsky Skavar. One day this bold Russian, he shouldered his gun And donned his most truculent sneer, Downtown he did go where he trod on the toe Of Abdul Abulbul Amir. Young man, Abdul roared, with your life are you bored That you wish to end your career? Vile infidel, know, you have trod on the toe Of Abdul Abulbul Amir. So take your last look at the sunshine and brook And send your regrets to the Czar For by this I imply, you are going to die, Count Ivan Skavinsky Skavar. Then this bold Mameluke drew his trusty skibouk,[A] Singing, “Allah! Il Allah! Akbar!” And with murderous intent he ferociously went For Ivan Skavinsky Skavar. They parried and thrust, they side-stepped and cussed, Of blood they spilled a great part; The philologist blokes, who seldom crack jokes, Say that hash was first made on the spot. They fought all that night neath the pale yellow moon; The din, it was heard from afar, And huge multitudes came, so great was the fame, Of Abdul and Ivan Skavar. As Abdul’s long knife was extracting the life, In fact he was shouting, “Huzzah!” He felt himself struck by that wily Calmuck, Count Ivan Skavinsky Skavar. The Sultan drove by in his red-breasted fly, Expecting the victor to cheer, But he only… Read more »
That’s a good one, but I prefer the cossack’s reply to Sultan Mehmet which concludes:
“So the Zaporozhians declare, you lowlife. You won’t even be herding pigs for the Christians. Now we conclude, for we don’t know the date and don’t own a calendar; the moon’s in the sky, the year with the Lord, the day’s the same over here as it is over there; for this kiss our arse!”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reply_of_the_Zaporozhian_Cossacks
The rest is somewhat more profane, and the painting memoralizing the drafting of the letter is pretty good as well: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reply_of_the_Zaporozhian_Cossacks
BWA-HAHAHAAHAH
I’ve seen the painting, but didn’t know its history. That letter is a scream — no wonder those hearty Cossacks are laughing their collective arses off!
Thanks for “the rest of the story.”
JSF
Okay they didn’t forget. He’s dead. You’re dead. Now, they can forget. All better. Nice job, Mo. Now Vlad may have to kill your family, friends, teachers, the guy who sold you a car, your mailman, and various and sundry others.
NO SHIT, let’s not forget that Russians HAVE NEVER been known for being “Mr. Nice Guy” once they’ve been provoked and the only sympathy I have for any and all muzzies that provoke them is only found in a dictionary somewhere between “Shit” and “Syphilis”.
‘The New York Times reports that the UN has voted to send monitors to Aleppo to report back to the UN on the progress there.’
Monitors? Really. For what? Because ISIS is terrified of Blue Hat hall monitors? To watch and not intervene and report back that “yea shit is real here, anything else or are we good to come home?”
It’s about as useful as the strongly worded letter from John Kerry in 3…2…1
John “LURCH” Kerry might even take the tassels off his pink bicycle and ride it over to his office *GASP!* sans a helmet to send them TWO strongly worded letters.
LifeLock could make another commercial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM7Ja24TKK8
Blue helmets …. Aleppo …. Daesh attack.
“We’re just monitors.”
JSF
The religion of peace….
It seems he had to get out an Aloha Snackbar or two during this shooting.
Amish?
Presbyterian…the suit gave it away.
NAAAAAH, a Jehovah’s Witness gone rogue.
U.S. State Department spokesman John Kirby tweeted, “We condemn this act of violence, whatever its source. Our thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families.”
Really? Whatever its source? Good riddance to these fucking assclowns on January 20th.
Whatever it’s source, it’s the fucking religion of peace dickhead, just say it the religion of peace trying to win converts one body at a time…
Pretending you don’t know the source might work in the polite company of the liberal burbs you prick, but the rest of us know damn well who does this shit with alarming regularity thanks to your administration doing exactly jack shit to stop it.
I’ll play Devil’s Advocate here – there’s a marked difference between the fanatical murdering types, who clearly would’ve shot up or blown up anyone in that building in some misguided effort to advance their ’cause’, and a policeman taking out one individual, to send a message. The fact that they’re from the same religion seems of less importance to me than the method and motivations. Basically, this (presumably) Muslim guy presumably wasn’t (as?) motivated by religious idiocy as he was politics and the fact that Syria is being blown to bits – women and children included.
At least, that’s what I’ve seen currently. Who knows how things will unfold? But he had a loaded weapon and wasn’t trying to kill random ‘infidels’, so this seems more political than religious in my opinion. Hence, some ambiguity from State isn’t so outrageous.
LC. And the Aloha Snackbar? Was that not a message and, if so, what sort of message was it? And while we’re at it, was the guy in Berlin most likely just a DWI or a bad driver? To borrow from My Cousin Vinnie, it’s okay. You can say it.
I’m not claiming the guy isn’t a Muslim, I’m just saying his actions -that is, shooting one specific person, and not killing random people- are suitably different than those from whom we usually mock as members of the ‘religion of peace’. The latter are almost always religious motivated, and thus they kill ‘infidels’ wherever the can, and generally however many they can.
This man didn’t. He’s still a killer, he’s still Muslim, but the motivations look vastly different.
Well, LC, when you assume the role of devil’s advocate, expect the forces of good to oppose you. He should have been screaming, “Payback for Syria, bitches” if that was his issue. Instead, he yelled “Allah Blah-Blah.” That puts it in the Muslim camp. Time to convert from the Dark Side.
Again, zero disagreement on the Muslim aspect… just saying he doesn’t strike me as the ‘kill all the infidels’ sort. Because he didn’t go berserk and try to kill all the infidels, he just killed one man.
He did basically say ‘payback for Syria, bitches’- specifically Russia’s bombing of Allepo.
HE yelled ‘Don’t forget Syria, don’t forget Allepo’ in addition to ‘God is Great’
This was as politically motivated as anything else. The Russians are as much about keeping Assad in place than they are defeating ISIS, and the Turkish people at large are very much opposed to this.
That said, the political and religious aspects of this are so closely tied that you can’t really separate them.
Who knows, this could be part of a Russian info op. I know it’s hard to believe, with them being our friends these days and all, but their president has been known to pull some dirty tricks in the past. Maybe Vlad wants to get a few last ones in before Trump the Mighty takes over…
I wonder, LC, if the ‘motivations’ will look so vastly different when the gun is pointed in your face and the person holding is snarling aloha snackbar at you. If you think it won’t happen, you have not been paying attention.
I’ve had a gun pointed in my face twice in my life, and yes, the motivations behind the two incidents mattered immensely.
That a person in Turkey, which is 99.8% Muslim, would be a Muslim and would say something that Muslims commonly say, is not surprising to me, nor is it relevant to understanding the threat landscape there. It’s basically a given. What’s important is what motivated the act – and my point was simply that the ISIS, AQ and other religious fanatics kill indiscriminately. This man didn’t. Things aren’t fully one way or another, but I’d give the edge on this to being politically motivated, not religiously motivated.
PH, I’ve been in a room with an AQ terrorist and a Shia Death Squad member at the same time. I had a pistol shoved in my belt, but it wasn’t very reassuring (I’m not a great pistol shot, and I don’t know that I could’ve got to it in the first place). Both of them were nunts, and both said allahu akbar. I said ‘Thank you God’ when I got out of there alive. Of course, the Death Squad guy was my protege, so I was pretty sure he wouldn’t kill me…
That said, I realized that the motivation of the guy trying to kill you doesn’t matter much in the heat of the moment.
The conflict in general isn’t as simple as Islam vs the West, and this attack in particular was more about Russia supporting Assad than anything else.
Syria is being blown to bits, while the menfolk have removed themselves to Europe, so they can take out their “justified” rage on women.
Did you actually play the video? He hollered Aloha Snackbar a few times. That would seem to narrow down his motivation.
My point was simply that this is a different kind of attack than the usual jihadist sorts – he killed one person, and had plenty of other targets available. Since when do the ISIS/AQ types do that?
And if he isn’t the usual religious fanatic, it’s helpful to understand his motivations rather than just dismiss it as another religious fanatic. You’ll look in different places for sympathizers and influence in both of those cases.
Perhaps he killed one person because he wasn’t surrounded by infidels. Not sure how many security folks were with the ambassador, or if they stood out.
I’m guessing the area was predominantly full of Turkish Moslems, who had no love for the Russia. No point in taking them out.
JAOD. Tah-dah! Plausible, reasonable, and, in my view, likely.
I was under the impression that Left and Right, and many Others far and wide, agree that one should not murder Diplomats, lest what little civilized interplay that exists come to a screeching halt, and War become the sole way Nations express dismay with each Other.
This pointless murder was a -Dumb- move, as the reply will be butchery, and likely -effective- butchery. The Russians, historically, -excel- at bloodbaths. Ask the Poles at Katyn Forest, for example.
That’s true when the killers are gov’t agents. Assassination of diplomats and heads of gov’t is not a valid foreign-policy tool. It’s easy to see why. Instead of mere soldiers dying, their civilian leadership would be at risk and that’s unacceptable, at least to the civilian leadership.
Actually, senior leadership are valid targets. Thus any number of nukes aimed at various command/govt areas in the US and USSR.
The intercept and destruction of the flight carrying Yammomoto is another, more concrete, example.
The historical prohibition was on killing diplomats, so as to allow them to function as messengers.
The killer of the Russian ambassador had to know it. The intent to provoke a harsh response is nearly a certainty. Another example of how the current enemy really doesn’t give a damn about civilized rules, or anything beyond slaughter as the opportunity arises.
There is no negotiating with someone who wants you dead or enslaved, as commanded by their perverted idea of “god”, unless you want to beg to be a servant. The proper and effective response is to inflict such terrible casualties upon the enemy that they decide that it is not a good idea to piss us off ever again.
Until there is a reformation of the core beliefs, the needful periodic punitive mole-whacking will continue.
Stopping such activity may rest the arm briefly, but only allows the nitwits to overwhelm the reasonable, and start the carnage against us all over again.
I thought that it was workplace violence.
“Our thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families.” Victims? Unless, he was he referring to today’s Berlin market attack in advance of it, all reports I saw indicate the ambassador was the sole victim.
Dear Islam,
Do you want to have smoking holes where your mosques are? ‘Cuz that’s how you get smoking holes where your mosques are….
And what was the point of this action, again? To get attention? Or become a target? What? 9 people in Berlin are dead because of another malcontent with a delivery truck. What does it take to stop these uncivilized slime?
All it takes is leadership with B@!!s to give the US Military the green light to kill these a$$clowns with maximum prejudice and violence of action, and not to stop until they lose their motivation for blood lust.
Maybe we are 31 days from that leadership arriving.
Yeah, methinks trump and Ivan will be discussing a mutually beneficial plan of action to send a cold and nasty message to the Muslim terrorist world.
Imo, it wouldn’t hurt to include China on that either.
Neither Russia nor China are signatories to the idiot protocols that make it impossible for us to fight effectively when allied with Europeans. That’s a plus.
And, China’s western border is well positioned to open up ops from that side of the world.
And, China’s been having the same problems with jihadiscum blowing shit up in their western provinces too.
I think I’ve said something like that before – the Big 3 of the Cold War agree to work for their mutual benefit. I may twit Vlad Putin occasionally, but he’s no fool about how things really are, and neither are the Chinese premiers, no matter who gets that job. The only fool in this mix has been wasting taxpayers’ money on idiocy for the last 8 years, but at least, we don’t have to worry about the White House china being stolen when he leaves, do we?
Meanwhile, Angela Merkal has FINALLY said the truck attack in Berlin is a terrorist attack. I think she finds that word distasteful.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-truck-idUSKBN148287
What does it take? The will to do something, that’s what. Talking about it does not neutralize the threat. Action must be taken.
Most of us already knew that. In case there was some doubt among the muttering class, the past 15 years should have taken care of that doubt. But, since they are apparently able to avoid seeing reality, preferring to die rather than defend themselves, they do not see the obvious.
They seem intent upon taking the rest of us down with them. The recent election gives me hope that the sane among us have had more than enough and still retain the will to survive.
From what I’ve been reading in regard to Trump’s plan to improve infrastructure in this country, skilled labor is in short supply. That means that trade schools may see an influx of students.
However, the reality, which we all discuss here regularly, is that these special little snowflakes coming out of college with useless degrees and no skills will NOT be able to find work more elevating than clearing tables at a roadside diner.
The irony of this should keep you going for a little while.
Note from Putin’s desk: Let slip the dogs of war!
Spetsgruppa “A” in 5, 4, 3,…
I memba you memba?
Da, tovarich. They can bring the pain.
“Yob tvoyiu mat!”
Alpha Group on a good day. And they have no good days.
SHIT HAPPENS when Spetsnaz gets unleashed…
Yes. As I recall, some Somali pirates met a bad end at sea after they hijacked some Russkee ships. They sent the surviving pirates back to their mother ship and then used it for target practice until it sank.
Like I said, WHEN was the last time in their entire history that they were ever known for being “Mr. Nice Guy”?
A lot of bad blood between the Russians and Turks… and I’m guessing that Vlad is having a long, long talk with the Turkish Ambassador and President over this act of terror.
Don’t fuck with Vlad…
There will be no Red Line. There will be no visit with “60 Minutes” to air his views. Targets are now being ID’ed. Maybe just the assassin’s family or maybe the entire neighborhood in which he resided.
Like I said before, Russians have NEVER been known for being “Mr. Nice Guy” once they’ve been provoked…
Neighborhood? Family? How about Aleppo and whatever other districts are being targeted in this civil war? How about Mosul?
The last time the Turks tangled with a Vlad, a lot of Turks wound up impaled. Alive.
When in the hell are we going to do something about the radical Lutherans who keep doing this shit?
Don’t jump to conclusions that it’s Lutherans! Remember we don’t yet know the source of this random act of violence. Disregard the fact that he yelled Muslim religious phrases as It was coincidence only – that his real comments only sounded like Muslim phrases.
I didn’t see any motor vehicles used by the shooter in that vid.
Might be Mennonite.
“When in the hell are we going to do something about the radical Lutherans who keep doing this shit?”
JUST HOW do we know it’s NOT being done by Mennonites on LSD?
Islam gonna Islam. Shot him right in the back like the coward he was. I hope Russia dusts these fucking animals.
“Dusts”?
Don’t be surprised if they “dust” them with VX or Mustard. Or maybe Anthrax if they are really pissed.
Turn them to ash. I was thinking napalm or some other similar heated method of removal.
The incident in Berlin, with 9 (at least) people dead and more than 50 injured is the same as the earlier incident in Nice, France, almost an exact duplicate. The driver is dead and the police took someone else in the truck into custody.
Now, what the hell does it take for someone like Angela Merkel to wake up to the simple fact that this is going to happen again and again until it is stopped and those ‘migrants’ shipped back where they came from? I’m beginning to think she has spaghetti where her spine is supposed to be.
I have a pretty good feeling this may have been the final nail in Merkel’s political coffin. There’s a massive conservative movement building in der Deutschland, and attacks like these are adding fuel to fire.
There are now 12 people dead and 48 injured. The suspect has been captured and reported as an Afghan or Paki refugee. The dead guy was not driving and found in the passenger seat. The truck from Poland may have been hijacked.
I think the truck was indeed stolen. There was input from the truck owner that one of his trucks had been stolen and the real driver was nowhere to be found. That is not good. Steal a big rig in one country, kill the driver and dump him, drive to your target and create havoc.
My imagination runs overtime creating sci-fi, but the ‘Maximum Overdrive’ idea (Stephen King) with trucks self-driving is no longer so far-fetched. Google is putting self-driven vans on the road next summer.
I think high tech stuff is great, as long as it is not corrupted by the whack jobs in the crowd.
Vlad is gonna be Vlad… it’s gonna suck to be Turkish. Turkey is on their own on this one. NATO isn’t going to come to their defense if/when Russia mets out their revenge.
Not so much. Article 5 of the NATO Treaty is very specific and binding. Although, I suspect in the age of Obama, words have flexible meanings. But Russia’s response to this will matter. Let’s pray they choose diplomacy (or a limited clandestine action).
I won’t argue about Article 5 of the NATO Charter but Turkey wasn’t exactly helpful when we needed to use Turkey for support of OIF. Turkey owns this one on their own.
I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s why the guy was shot. It worked in Austria in 1914.
Sarajevo. 1911. While a part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, Sarajevo was in an ethnically Slavic part of that Empire which sought autonomy.
1914.
Incorrect again, Piuperdink.
Sarajevo was part of La Guerre Allemande 1911-1914.
La guerre allemande. D’Agadir à Sarajevo, 1911-1914
by Albin, Pierre, b. 1872
Published 1915
Topics World War, 1914-1918
Of course, that text is in French, which you don’t understand. Voulez-vous que je fais une traduction pour vous? Que sous êtes si insignifiant! Si ridiculeux! Si plein de poisson!
You don’t even try.
Reference was the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand, which happened in Sarajevo (then part of Austro-Hungary) in…..
1914!!
1914? Which might not have happened if not for Germany’s incursion in 1911.
Try putting things together once in a while. Get one of those model kits that HHV hands out for free at craft shops.
Oh, and you STILL have not taken TOW’s offer to have a meet with his wife and in-laws so that you can tell them that there is nothing to fear from communism.
Make no mistake: Russia is not a friend of the United States. We may have some common cause in defeating Islamic terrorists in the Middle East, but we have more differences there than similarities, and we are clearly headed for conflict with Russia in Europe. And, regardless of whether or not you voted for Trump, they did interfere with our election.
It may seem refreshing that Putin has no reservation about retaliating, but keep in mind that this assassination was more political than anything else. The shooter was muslim, yes, but that does not make him an ISIS or AQ supporter. Russia’s bombing of Allepo is more about supporting Assad than defeating ISIS.
Turkey, on the other hand, is a NATO ally and an important one. I don’t think Russia will take action against Turkey. They seem to understand that this was a terrorist act. However, if they did, we will be bound by treaty to support Turkey. Of course, God Emperor Trump could choose to ignore that treaty (he does seem to be a big Putin Fan).
Our NATO allies in eastern Europe will be paying very close attention to this. If Russia were to retaliate against Turkey and we did nothing, they are next.
So, all of you Putin fanboy/girls and Russia lovers, please realize that this isn’t just about another muslim shouting ‘aloha snackbar’, and no matter how satisfying to watch, Russia’s retaliation could spell trouble for the U.S
I don’t think that anyone here is in love with Russia, but we are also tired of Obama making us look weak. So, to see a leader, be a leader, is refreshing. No matter where they come from.
I disagree, I think there are a lot of Russia and Putin admirers and apologists on this board.
I don’t find Putin to be refreshing at all. I’ve seen ruthless autocrats before. He’s sort of a shirtless Stalin.
And much richer.
Putin is good for Russia (and himself, of course, but what politician isn’t?), and he’s good for Russians as long as they don’t get in his way. Russia is not good for us.
They are our ancestral enemy, and our interests have only coincided on a handful of occasions. Hopefully we don’t end up trading bullets and missiles with them someday, but even if we don’t, they’ll still be our enemy.
We can respect our enemies without liking them. We didn’t respect our enemies on December 6th, 1941. Look how that turned out.
“He’s sort of a shirtless Stalin.” Go ahead. Compare the two. Flesh it out.
This board is damn near a Putin fan club.
It is clear by the admiration for Putin and Trump that many on this board are authoritarian personality sycophants masquerading as patriots.
Commissar, I would think you would love him as a fellow traveler. This guy was a righteous warrior for Marxism/Leninism. Since you don’t like us, why don’t you move your comments over to DU or Huff-n-Puff where you can enjoy some progtard blather by your crypto-commie like- minded losers.
Not a communist.
Not a communist? You? Really?
But you are a sycophant.
You’d have your head so far up Vlad’s colon, you’d be able to find his kidneys by sight.
Nonsense.
On the contrary, Piuperdink. You are an opportunist of the nth degree.
YOU SAY you’re not a commie while you are definitely are a shit-for-brains, kommissar poodledick!
Ok, then let me speak for myself. I’m no fan of Putin, but I do recognize that the man has balls and stands up against bullies. Very unlike our leadership that has to stop playing golf to make the same stupid comment everytime this kind of shit happens.
You and red-devil can sugar coat this administrations actions all you want, but just be aware that the rest of us see for what it is and that is pure cowardice.
You come here to be among warriors. Don’t be offended when we act like
I do not need to come here to be among “warriors” and most of you seem to want the government to initiate unnecessary wars that almost none of you will have to fight in.
And some of you clearly never served.
And Obama has literally been tougher on our enemies than any presidente in decades. Ordering military action in more places and with more latitude on the use of force than any president in half a century.
And not for political purposes since liberals tend to dislike this and republicans tend to dislike him no matter what he does.
I’m sure that you don’t come here to be among warriors.
Why would you? They stand for everything that you and your kind are against.
And Obama has been tougher on terrorism??? Keep telling yourself that cream puff. I have read so many others here say that you live in an alternate reality- well after that comment, they are right.
My kind? You mean combat veterans with decades of service?
Combat? You are including a rusty grenade as combat?
I guess! Because I am a combat vet with 3 decades of service and damn sure don’t see things YOUR way
You are a “combat veteran?” Got CIB? I think not. You are a REMF. The fact you took a trip or two outside the wire with an M-4 does not make you a combat vet any more than that cook’s helper that had his photo taken on my firebase perimeter holding and M-60. Last I checked, MI and Civil Affairs were not combat arms branches in the U.S. Army.
Hey Commissar Shit-for-brains, I only have THREE Overseas tours, one within spitting distance of the Korean DMZ and yet you say Communism and Communists are not to be feared? YEAH, tell that to any North Korean Defector, o candyassed pus-nuts SHIT-FOR-BRAINS!
API, notice how he has no response to my comment about him being a REMF or that he has never been in a combat arm. The funny thing is he was a Military Intel officer before transferring to Civil Affairs branch. Ironically, the left considers “Military Intelligence” to be an oxymoron.
What I said about Obama is a fact. Empirically.
Hell, it is the republican congress being soft.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/27/congress-still-not-specifically-authorizing-islami/
12,000 airstrikes against ISIS
30,000 ISIS fighters killed.e
Special operator on the ground on CT missions with use of force authorization in countries Bush would not touch.
350 strikes in Pakistan (7 times more than Bush).
And strikes and operations in a dozen more countries.
Direct military and intelligence support in 4 dozen other countries.
More mid and high level terrorists killed under Obama than all other presidents combined.
And all w/o congressional approval. And each strike killed only ISIS fighters? You’re a piece of work and a piece of shit, Commissar.
30,000 Isis fighters killed on orders from Commander 0, think not. If that were true I don’t think Isis would have enough trigger pullers to hold Mosul or any large population center.
As we all know King Putt only sought congressional approval with legislation that restricted any use of ground troops, knowing it would not pass. In the meantime, he continues to use the same Congressional authority passed under Bush.
“And some of you clearly never served.”
Name two or three who are not on record as not having served in the military. Hell, include them, if that will help you.
“And Obama has literally been tougher on our enemies than any presidente in decades.” What does tougher mean in Larsfact?
willing to use lethal force in more places more often killing more terrorists in more places including previous “sanctuary” countries.
The right’s substanceless straw man because he does not say “Islamic terrorist” often enough is bullshit propaganda.
Whose portraits are on your walls, shit-for-brains? Mao, Lenin, Castro, Guevara, Stalin, Kim Ill-Sung, or a combination thereof?
What do you mean? King Putt never says “Islamic terrorist” because he doesn’t believe their savagery has anything to do with their belief in Islam. The above comment is one of the most disingenuous things you have said here.
Piuperdink, you continue to make assertions that have no relationship to reality. WE understand Putin a whole lot better than you do. Your thinking, if it exists at all (which I doubt) is so one-dimensional it gives my cat a headache. I’m sure I’m not alone in saying that the toilet paper in my bathroom is smarter than you are.
You are fucking clueless about Putin.
And the fangirl and fanboy attitudes toward him on this board are flat disgusting.
All that frustration, Commissar. It really is unbecoming. How long will continue visiting here w/o contributing a solitary worthwhile thing? You rant and rave against this place and malign Veterans regularly. For what? Does it give you pleasure to be the only person who regards you as smart? Is that it? You really do need some help. You’re what, 43-44? It’s over Lars. You are one of life’s losers and nothing will change that.
I am not maligning “veterans”, any more than you do when you attack me.
This board does not represent all “veterans”. Neither do you or I.
Look brainiac, you have a reputation for maligning Veterans. Shall I dig up some of your gems and throw them at you? And that logic problem you have is really quite acute: you are an individual, Lars. When I address you, I am not speaking to or about some, most, or all Veterans. You, however, talk in terms of whole groups of Veterans, including those here. Last point, knucklehead. It’s either/or and neither/nor. Work on that, brainiac.
Lars’s megalomania would be funny if it wasn’t so pathetic.
I’m clueless? Who do you think was torturing Chechens and Georgians, Piuperdink?
The only REAL difference between Putin and Stalin is that Stalin was a paranoid, delusional, uneducated bully who was stupid enough to allow a moron like Lysenko destroy the entire system of agriculture in Russia and the USSR. As a result, millions of people starved to death until Krushchev took over and threw out Lysenkoism, and hung Troyfim Lysenko while he was at it.
Putin, on the other hand, having been the head of the KGB, is hellishly more intelligent than you are and has had enough sense to recognize that allowing a certain amount of leeway with Russians not only keeps him in his seat of power, but also keeps Russia in cash. BUT all you as a Russian have to do is oppose Vlad, and your sorry ass is in jail for a long, long time. He is easily as brutal as Stalin, possibly more so, but so far, he hasn’t slaughtered 20 million++ ethnic Russians, which was Stalin’s personal best, or let 30 million++ Chinese people starve to death as Mao Tse-Tung did.
Stalin was paranoid and ignorant and saw enemies everywhere.
Putin is a much more pragmatic, Machiavellian fellow.
I know him much better than you do. Much, much better….
No, you don’t.
Nice one, Lars. That was very clever.
Oh, yes, I do.
Hey, Middle-Aged Commie. Putin has done less to harm this nation than H. Wide Load, ObaMa, and your favorite Old Commie, Bernie.
This gets to be rather tiresome, but here goes. It’s something the Piuperdink simply does not understand and likely never will.
Ayn Rand makes it clear that as humans, we cannot think through or for others, any more than we can digest food or breathe for them. Marx would have us believe that we are only able to function as a collective group, as if we were ants, subordinating our true nature to the collective which ignores the real nature of Man, that we are individuals, not specialized organisms that can only survive in a cooperative colony. We can make choices. Ants cannot.
Machiavelli’s much more pragmatic view is that we are passionate power-seekers, avoiding danger, and that liberty rises only from an understanding of our passions. He subordinates ethics to results, appearing to endorse ruthlessness, but ruthlessness has its limits: a ruler must keep the necessary cruelties to a minimum, and commit them in unison, for the purely practical reason that he will lose power otherwise.
This is where Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler, and Mao failed, and Putin succeeds and will continue to succeed.
I could spend all night on this, but I think this mostly explains Putin to people whose brains function reasonably well.
HEY poodle Dick, you sound like a Trump Acceptance Resistance Disorder Operative (TARDO). AWW HELL, who am I kidding, YOU TRULY ARE ONE!!!! 😀 😀 😀
We must read very different comments.
Personally, I have a lot of respect for Putin. Don’t like him. Don’t trust him. Would never underestimate his potential. And am well aware that he is my enemy.
None of that alters the fact that we have a common enemy. It is for our mutual benefit that we coordinate at least some of our efforts to neutralize the threat. Carefully. That can only be done if he respects our strength as much as we respect his. Right now we have very little in DC that he respects.
“And, regardless of whether or not you voted for Trump, they did interfere with our election.” reddevil Your credibility is now zero.
Hacking the DNC is not interfering in our election?
If anything, it was a waste of time, IF it happened as reported. The complaints and angst completely ignore the real problem which is that Clinton and her campaign ignored the very people she should have courted. Therefore, they cast their votes where they WERE NOT ignored, with Trump. Is that simple enough, sport?
If my Aunt had a dick she’d be my Uncle. Point Red Devil made was the Russians interfered with our elections. How effective that interference was is another argument.
Wideload’s campaign dumped millions of $$$ in Chicago and New Orleans, to get out the vote, and kept the SEIU in Iowa, while ignoring Michigan, to “fake out” Trump and his campaign. Really? Spending money in Chicago and N.O., when you’ve got the ghetto and dead people vote locked up? That has “Smart Campaign” written all over it.
And I have yet to see anything anywhere that says their ‘interference’ had any effect at all. You’re ignoring the other, more important aspects of the election. She would have lost, whether the Russians did anything or not.
Not disagreeing with you at all regarding the end results. My issue is ANY foreign nation interfering with American elections be it overt or covert.
Tony. You really need to do some homework. Do you know how many US corporations are actually controlled by foreign interests and that those corps pour millions into US elections? Talk about interference through influence. I’d say that meets your definition. Check out some superpacs. How about editorials and newspaper stories from, oh, Reuters. How dare that paper try to influence US voters. You and reddevil really need to think this through.
Cav seen first hand the influence of US and Foreign Corporations globally.
Just change your question mark to a period and you’re good. No, there was no interference. Not one person was prevented from voting. Not one vote was changed. There were no lies told, no propaganda pushed, other than by US media. And they’re still at it with blaming the Russians for the election outcome. What flavor is your Kool-Aide?
What flavor are you sipping? Would you feel the same if it was the RNC instead of the DNC? My issue is not the election end result. My issue is a hostile nation actively targeting our electoral process and our response or rather lack of response to it.
‘hostile nation actively targeting our electoral process’ — to what end? To keep HRC from getting elected? She didno stand a chance of winning, so what would be the point?
If the object was to install a purely leftist politician in the White House, why was that not done in the 1940s, 1950s and 1960s, when there was less likelihood of detection?
You haven’t indicated anything in the way of a motive, other than thumbing the nose at our electoral process, and I can tell you that despite the forecasts of all sorts, the simple fact is that HRC’s ego-driven behavior cost her the election. Anyone with common sense saw that coming.
So what would be the point? This ridiculous complaint by the lefties is a lame excuse for losing the election, and nothing else.
I don’t underestimate Putin one tiny bit. he is too far into the Machiavellian end of what he does to give a crap about anything but what he wants, which is control of Central Asia and anything that threatens his access to the Med. And, no, he will not take this lightly.
And I should add what I said yesterday, that we may have to align ourselves with Putin and Xi JinPing, like it or not, to put a stop to this stuff.
As long as it is allowed to go on and not treated as terrorism (Merkel), which is what it is, it will escalate. Count on it.
We fought the Germans twice and they’re our buds and have been for decades. We fought the Japanese and dropped two A-bombs on their heads and they’ve been our buds for decades. Somehow, the Lefties, who always wanted us to be buds with Ivan no longer want that. I have no problem with it whatsoever.
As I indicate here: http://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=69473&cpage=1#comment-2936455
a pragmatic approach is more likely to achieve the desired result than an emotional or humble, self-effacing manner.
I may be cynical but in my opinion the Russians themselves could have been behind this shooting.
It gives them a stage to be magnanimous towards the Turks and forgive them for not protecting a diplomat, and also gives them a reason to go ham in Syria.
I think you may be right. The Russians are very adept at information operations. it serves their purposes in many ways
I’m no fan of Putin. He’s a thug, murderer of his own countrymen who expose or question him. And I’m also no fan of Erdogan who is turning Turkey into another Iran.
Foil. Gold or silver?
It would be red…
Take a closer look at what’s going on.
This assassination will give the current Turkish government the excuse they need to crack down on dissidents. If that doesn’t happen, the Russians now have a justification to step things up against Turkey.
Don’t fear the commie!
Fuck Lars. He gives fifth-columnists a bad name.
The Russians hacked my Atari console. I was just about to obtain 250 lives on Asteroids and BOOM!, game over.
Cocksuckers.
To the Lefties: The conclusion that Russian hackers interfered with the 2016 US presidential election is absolutely laughable. Dollars to donuts 9 out of 10 Americans do not know what was hacked, when the hacking occurred, and can explain how the hacking amounted to interference with the election. To date there is no proof that the hackers were Russian, let alone that they were agents of the Russian government. Russia has steadfastly denied involvement, but the circumstantial evidence that the hackers were Russian is damn strong. Back in March, a DNC member was notified, ostensibly by Google, that someone in the Ukraine had changed or attempted to change his email password. “Google” advised this fellow to change his password immediately. He did, and thereby provided his new password to the hacker. (One wonders how much money he has sent Nigerian scammers over the years.) Well, it worked so well, this “Change password immediately” ruse, that it was used repeatedly with success. Thus, email exchanges among DNC people were freely accessed and later distributed in batches. Podesta himself was key to the success because when he was asked by others in the DNC about the password notice change allegedly from GMail, he sent out an email saying it was LEGITIMATE and that passwords need to be changed. Doh. Despite this internal DNC memo from April (“Not sure if it is related to what the FBI has been noticing but […] the D.N.C. may have been hacked in a serious way this week, with password theft, etc.”) and despite FBI warnings and internal DNC suspicions, the email access continued for more than six more months! The DNC was embarrassed by some of the released emails. It was clear from many of them that while the DNC had publicly claimed neutrality regarding Bernie, the Old Commie, they were fully in the Wide Load camp. Then there were the Podesta emails. What was in them? I know but I’m not saying, in order to illustrate what I wrote earlier, that 9 out of 10 people don’t know what was hacked, what was in what… Read more »
Careful, Air Cav. the commissar Piuperdink may be lurking somewhere. He will slam your comment with a glazed donut.
He’s welcome to try, but he’ll fail and resort to calling me a Nazi and Fascist.
I still don’t understand why the lefties’ “interference” theory insist that it was all aimed at getting Trump elected when the Russians would have left no stone unkicked to get a weakass leftie candidate like Clinton elected.
That is where it disconnects from reality for me.
Yeah. The insights the Russians would have had to the thinking of President Wide Load’s core cadre–added, of course, to what she provided through her personal server through which state issues were discussed–would have been a treasure trove. But we are to believe that Ivan really wanted Trump to win. How about the RNC (unlike the DNC geniuses) didn’t fall for the most basic phishing scam in the book?
You got it partly right, but mostly wrong.
Podesta was spear phish by hackers working for the Russians. The DNC IT guys (Charles Delavan) told him it was legitimate (he later claimed that was a mistake, he meant to type ‘illegitimate’), and Podesta gave up the farm.
I know, Fox News is a notorious Clinton apologist, but here’s what they think:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/29/how-podesta-got-hacked-password-email-revealed-in-wikileaks-dump.html
There is little doubt that it was the Russians, except apparently in your mind.
The delicious irony is that Clinton had fought for months to put the private email server scandal to rest, and now her campaign is falling victim to a laughably obvious ploy.
I think this is a separate issue from whether or not Clinton should have won the election- she shouldn’t have. The information that came to light was factual, and it may or may not have changed some votes.
However, the fact that the Russians actively sought to interfere with the election is a separate and very serious issue, and a hostile act. We can’t pretend it didn’t happen.
I’m not sure if you are a Stalin or Putin fan (i guess it depends on which one is shirtless), but the fact is that Putin and the Russians are actively trying to become more than a regional bully, and the future of the Middle East, Europe, and our interests there depend on us stopping him.