Dumping the dogs of war

| February 15, 2016

I hate these stories. I’m a dog lover. My best friend, Sam, a golden retriever, died 13 years ago and I still miss him everyday. So I try to avoid these stories, but you guys filled my inbox with links all night last night. According to the New York Post, North Carolina-based company, K2 Solutions, which had the government contract for the military working dogs has been doing their best to keep soldiers who worked with dogs in the war against terror from adopting those same dogs. Apparently, owning a veteran dog is a thing these days and civilians will pay to own one – I guess it’s easier to own a veteran dog than to actually do your part yourself in the war.

Daniel, who doesn’t want to use his real name because he’s on active duty, is one of at least 200 military handlers whose dogs were secretly dumped out to civilians by K2 Solutions in February 2014, a Post investigation has found.

At least three government workers were also involved and may have taken dogs for themselves.

It’s a scandal that continues to this day, with hundreds of handlers still searching for their dogs — and the Army, the Pentagon and K2 Solutions covering up what happened, and what may still be happening.

K2 says that it’s too hard for them to track down the soldiers who worked with the dogs, dogs with whom they share memories of their time in combat, but when K2 gets the dogs back from the military, they come with records which include the names of their handlers. Handlers try to contact K2 about their dogs, but K2 just hands them off to the Air Force;

Other handlers say K2 would tell them information about their dogs was “privileged” and instruct them to call Lackland Air Force Base in Texas. Staff at Lackland, they say, would send them right back to K2.

“I called K2 in March 2014,” says a handler who asked to remain anonymous. “I said, ‘Can you please help me find my dog?’ They said, ‘No. Call Lackland.’?”

This handler sent The Post an e-mail exchange he had with Lackland. He asked for help, and a Sgt. Tia Jordan replied, “I’m sorry, but we don’t have any control over TEDD dog adoptions.” Under her signature is her office: the Military Working Dogs Adoptions and Dispositions Center.

It amazes me how in this day and age people find it so hard to just do the right thing and to do their f’n job.

Category: Dumbass Bullshit

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MustangCryppie

I’m with you, Jonn. I have 8 rescue dogs of my own and it is just so easy to keep the handlers with their buddies who shared that danger with them.

I’m all for capitalism, but right is right. Keeping the handlers and their dogs together is just right.

Arby

I wonder what a DD-214 check on the douchebag owner of K2 Solutions would turn up, given that he claims to have a “Special Forces” background…

Hondo

Standing offer: I’ll file the FOIA if someone can come up with the requisite info (e.g., Firstname/Middlename/Lastname plus service plus approx dates plus EITHER SSN or DOB plus place of birth).

As always, don’t do anything unlawful to obtain the info.

MrBill

From Bloomberg Business:

Mr. Lane Kjellsen is the Founder of K2 Solutions, Inc., and serves as its Chief Executive Officer and Chairman of the Board. Mr. Kjellsen served for over 22 years in the Army, with more than 13 years in its nation’s most elite Special Operations unit. As an Operator turned Combat Developer, he led scientists, technologists, and national laboratories in the development of solutions to mission critical and mission essential requirements for Counter-Terrorism (CT), Counter Proliferation (CP), and OCOs. In addition, he led the development of the resulting associated new equipment training in preparation for combat operations. Mr. Kjellsen’s work ultimately led to DoD-wide application of weapons and breaching technologies. Upon retirement from active duty, Mr. Kjellsen formed K2 Solutions, Inc. to provide continued combat development advisory services, program management, and training for combat.

Green Thumb

If all of that is true (to include all of his Special Forces employees), he/they should know better.

MrBill

The US Army White Pages lists Kjellsen as a retired Master Sergeant.

J.M.

His LinkedIn says SGM. Hmm…

Screenshot here, in case the page gets edited.

http://imgur.com/XpY3SWD

Green Thumb

Close enough.

Who cares.

Right?

Some days you feel like a SGM, some days you don’t.

CAARNG 68W

That’s Specialist (E4 Mafia/Sham Shield) talk

MrBill

His LinkedIn profile has him as a Sergeant Major:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/lane-kjellsen-abb19b4

GDContractor

With a name like Kjellsen, I bet JD over at professionalsoldiers.com can get a quick turn on an inquiry.

Redacted1775

I was expecting something similar to what happened to MWDs when we left Vietnam. While this isn’t good, it pales in comparison to what those guys were forced to do.

Thunderstixx

Any chance we could get some contact info?
A shitload of us TAH Keyboard Kommandos would be certain that K2 and the chAir Force did their f’n jobs and did them right.
This is a bunch of horse shit from a bunch of greedy money grubbing pukes that are definitely not real Patriots…

Green Thumb

What a bunch of shitbags.

Looks like All-Points Logistics has some competition.

J.M.

Facebook page for the handlers is up, as well as a gofundme. I have no idea who’s running the gofundme or if it’s something schmuck trying to make a quick buck off the issue, but I’ll look into it and hopefully it’s legit.

The Mil working dog program seems to have an interest in this issue fading away, and may have people involved benifitting from the wrong thing being done, so public outcry might be the only way to get the company to do the right thing.

https://m.facebook.com/justice4TEDDs/

CAARNG 68W

My favorite quote, “Everywhere it may be, someone is always embezzling money somewhere.”

Green Thumb

There have a lot of former special forces employees to train dogs.

Not really sure how SF background(s) is relevant in this case. They also say they have over 100 veteran employees.

Green Thumb

Maybe they have them for the Counter-IED training program.

I know that is a big problem in my neighborhood.

Who knows?

A Proud Infidel®™

IED’s or SIEC’s ( Suspected Improvised Explosive Coconuts)?

Ex-PH2

When I talked to a guy who was at the pet store representing Save A Vet nfp, which rescues MWDs and police dogs from euthanasia, he said some of these dogs are deemed unadoptable because they’ve become overly aggressive. It’s not that they’re bad dogs, but they’ve developed a trigger reaction to something that makes them bite or over-react.
His organization tries to get them into a safe haven, but if any of these MWDs are intentionally being deemed unadoptable by K2, that needs to be looked into.

MSG Eric

From what I’ve read on this issue, it isn’t that the dogs are “unadoptable” but that K2 is selling them to the highest bidder for cash, versus allowing their former handlers to have them.

I met a couple of MWDs in the sandbox. Some were happy and friendly, but I did meet a few who didn’t like anyone but their handler. Their handlers would flat out tell people though “yeah he doesn’t like to get pet, so you probably shouldn’t Sir.”

bman

This is from the other side. The promo says the warrior dogs have been abandoned by the army and they are trying to save them from euthanasia. So, being a dog lover, I applied to adopt one of these heroes. The application form and detailed covering all kinds of things about interaction with dogs. I was impressed that they were trying hard to match up the dog and owner, you even need references. I sent in my application a month ago and have not heard back from Lackland.

Veritas Omnia Vincit

I’ve not had the stomach to replace the last Black Lab I had…I can’t take the end of life stuff with the dog, it just tears me up too much. I love dogs, but they are now a ticket to a heartache at the end for me that I want to avoid…

Having said that these people at K2 and the military clowns handing the dogs over are truly disgusting, everybody involved here knows what the right to do is without needing any special information. These dogs aren’t appropriate for civilians, and they should be returned those who are most likely the best option they have for a comfortable remainder of their life.

The immorality of their current treatment is, I fear, indicative of the overall lack of moral consideration by those very officers and bureaucrats whose duty is to take the appropriate moral actions for these animals’ future.

I may be a godless heathen but it doesn’t mean I’m not well read or that I can’t appreciate the words of a godly man. Fulton Sheen said it best about this kind of activity:

“Moral principles do not depend on a majority vote. Wrong is wrong, even if everybody is wrong. Right is right even if nobody is right.”

Perry Gaskill

Bingo. The best option for helping the dogs transition into the civilian world is likely to be the handler they had in the war zone. This stuff should be so obvious that it’s hardly worth a discussion.

FWIW, I’ve lost dogs in the past and found that although it can be hard, there’s no betrayal in getting another one. It’s not that you remember the old one any less; it’s that the new one brings its own quirks and personality, and creates a whole new ball game.

Veritas Omnia Vincit

Thank you Perry, my problem is knowing that the new dog will still die eventually and that’s my conundrum…I don’t want to feel that emotion when they pass…I guess if I wait until I am pretty certain I won’t last another 15 and get a new dog that might work but then I’d feel guilty about what might happen to the dog when I die first and leave him behind…

JohnE

Dogs are not here for a long time…they are here for a good time.

I lost my pal Chacko, a Siberian Husky/Malamute mix a few years back. Raised that idiot from a pup and he followed me to 4 different duty stations, dipped his paws in the Pacific, the Atlantic, the Rhine, 17 states and 4 or 5 countries. He went nose to nose with boars, llamas and zebras among other animals. Best free dog ever. He got throat/oral cancer real bad (I told him to quit chewing tobacco, but he wouldn’t listen.) (That’s a joke…)
Frau replaced him with a Lab/Aussie shepherd mix last spring. This little goon quickly wormed his way into my heart, but he will never replace Chacko. He has his own place…right next to Chacko, and Tascha (Other family dog), and Horace (Childhood dog…).

There will always be plenty of room in my heart for dogs…

L. Taylor

The market’s moral compass is great huh? It is always best to let the market handle everything, right? Clearly the handlers were not the most profitable outcome. Otherwise they would have been the one’s to get the dogs.

The market is fantastic at distributing the overwhelming majority of things. But some things are better managed through social cooperation.

Letting morality or justice influence where the dogs go is socialism.

Turns out socialism has a legitimate place in managing some outcomes. Because, the profit incentive alone has no morality and no capacity to understand the bond between a dog and a handler and the sacrifices they made for their country.

UpNorth

In all sincerity, FOAD.

Casey

Seconded!

68W58

I’m pretty sure that in a socialist system the deputy assistant undersecretary for dog acquisition would be caught selling the pooches to Korean supermarkets and then be protected from being fired by some other apparatchik due to the “fuck you, that’s why” clause in the merit systems protection board rule book.

MSG Eric

Nice work-in of both the Socialist system AND MSPB, which seems like it should be called “Merit Socialist Protection Board” to me.

Good referencing.

And how did Communism, the next step in the evolution of Socialism work out for the USSR? “Everything belongs to the people, but I am the people so I get what I want!” Yeah, not so much.

L. Taylor

Communism and socialism are not the same thing. They are not even evolutions of one another. They have fundamentally different basic tenets. Not even remotely the same.

Besides, I am talking about market socialism, not socialism. Market socialism is much closer to capitalism. Because it uses a free market for most goods and services but recognizes the market is terrible out managing some resources and outcomes.

Like where service dogs end up for instance.

You can deny it all you want but in a truly free market retired service dogs generally do not have ideal outcomes.

Because the market determines their worth. Not their service. And the market is terrible at capturing their value to society. A a disabled service dog would have little to no market value.

Much like some disabled veterans.

Do you think a free market would be good at determining the value to society of a disabled veteran years after a war was fought?

68W58

Totally refuses to address the issue about the abuses and corruption by untouchable bureaucrats, argues for a system where they would have even more power.

JACK SHIT

You don’t know me, Commissar.

L. Taylor

Unfortunately, I do.

And if you did you would know that the majority of the people on this board are actually market socialists. They just don’t realize it.

They recognize that some things have a value beyond what could be paid in dollars.

68W58

False consciousness!!!

Seriously dude?

And you wonder why you get called out as a Marxist.

JACK SHIT

You don’t know me, Commissar.

CB Senior

This is just the next step in Civies with TACTICOOL gear.
Bling without earning it.
It also highlights the fraction between Contract Mercs and Our Forces.
I am sure many times SGM/MSG Kjellsen was on active duty that he was not happy about the lack of funding or the lousy pay raises.
How much does his company cost vs a Soldier.
I guess non of that matters now that he is getting his.

JohnE

If you are interested in adopting a former K9 Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine or a dog that has washed out of training, here is the link to start…

http://www.37trw.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-120718-079.pdf

I have many friends (Mostly former handlers) that have adopted dogs, one time an ex handler even got his former MWD partner, and they are not for first time dog owners. Many of them have just as many issues as we do and require a lot of care. But they are just as deserving of loving care and the occasional scratch behind the ear as we are…

PavePusher

Just sent emails to my U.S. Senators (McCain and Flake) and Rep. (McSally).

“Please demand an immediate investigation and accounting into vanishing Military Working Dogs.

http://nypost.com/…/troops-betrayed-as-army-dumps…/

Sincerely, MSgt PavePusher, USAF, Ret.”