The Burns, Oregon standoff; you’re judged by your company
I’ve been fairly busy this morning taking calls and emails from the media on this standoff just south of Burns, Oregon. Of course, the media wants to talk about Ryan Payne, Blaine Cooper, Jon Ritzheimer. I’m more than happy to help the media get the story right, and, as many of you already know, I have a real hard-on for these Oathkeeper and militia types. They are rife with phonies and they generally present an image of veterans that is not at all flattering.
But, see here’s the thing – where was the media’s concern in regards to all of the Occupy Wall Street phonies that we busted? Like Jay Polk the “retired Special Forces Master Sergeant” that fooled the media and the occupiers into believing that he’d been killed on a secret mission to Syria. I spent weeks trying to get the local San Diego medias attention, not even a nibble.
I’ll tell you a secret – I think the Hammonds got a raw deal from the government. I don’t think they should be in prison. However, I am loathe to associate myself with those clowns who took over the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge building. If anything, they’re forcing the prosecutor and the judicial system to enforce the Hammonds’ imprisonment. If they were considering any leniency, that possibility has evaporated lest the prosecutors look like the militias are having an impact on their decision.
It doesn’t help that many residents of Burns don’t want them there, including the Hammonds. Especially when you have people like Ammon Bundy making proclamations about how they’re willing to die and to kill federal officers to remain on Federal land. When you have people like felon Blaine Cooper in the wings, you’re not doing yourselves any favors, either. I haven’t seen any of the guys from Josephine County Oathkeepers like Joe Rice there yet, but I’m sure they’re around there somewhere – too much media in the area for them to ignore it.
Honestly, I hope this turns out better for the Hammonds that it looks like it will right now. But as long as these phonies in their multi-cam intimidation suits and their low drag gear are hanging on to the issue, I don’t think it will help the Hammonds much at all.
Category: Dumbass Bullshit
Here we go again
I have to tell you, there are a lot of GOOD men out there and to let the stinking lying media pick out a couple of phony fruitcakes and draw the same picture around the rest is BULLSHYT!
When good men mingle with phonies and assholes and let the phonies and assholes take charge, they become phonies and assholes. A man is known by the company he keeps.
Here ended the lesson.
And that would be the way I was taught too…
you are what you socialize with
Weather you like it or not…
There is no doubt in my mind that the Feds love to overstep there boundaries it’s sickening but the ballot box works. Look at cantor from
Virginia nobody thought in a hundred years he would lose his seat but he did
Hey man. I accidentally hit “report comment” on you because of my fat scrolling thumbs. Not sure what happens with that, but my apologies.
Land disputes in the West are very real, particularly when range rights are involved. If you want to see 19th century politics in action, just try grazing your cow and see what happens.
Joe rice was on KMED this morning doing an interview, he is in Burns but like the Oregon 3% is staying away from the occupation, they can’t really take too much more negative publicity. Oddly enough both the Oregon oathkeepers and JoCo oathkeepers FB and websites have been erily quiet since last summer’s mine incident.
*ahem*
http://i.imgur.com/asQg86Q.jpg
That’s funny!!!
That was like one of those emails that gets you to stare really hard at the screen and then a screaming zombie pops up.
OK Then….
annnnnnnndd
http://imagesmtv-a.akamaihd.net/uri/mgid:file:http:shared:mtv.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/ThanksHillaryScaryGiphy-1428519939.gif
Ok. That was worse.
Geez, Chip, you could post a spew warning once in a while! That’s worse than the spider video. Now I have no fear of spiders because you had to post something scarier. Sometimes, you’re just… ooooooooh!
Chip….WTF???? Is this retard porn?
Jesus, Dude. A little warning next time. I’m drinking a $10 bottle of beer.
$10 a bottle beer? Fella, you need to find a different bar! (smile)
And the real irony here is that the Hammonds (1) plan today to peacefully report to finish their sentences, and (2) have indicated they don’t want these tools’ support.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/oregon-ranchers-reject-cliven-bundy-family-occupation/
While the occupation routine seems like the wrong way to approach the situation, it doesn’t change the situation, that members of a federal agency have pursued a years-long vendetta against the Hammonds family. Their sentence came from a show-trial on utterly absurd charges, and it was retroactively (!) extended three years after the Hammonds served the original, still preposterous, sentence.
The whole situation reeks of abuse of power. It’s a hell of a lot more than a mere raw deal. I may not agree with the actions of these militia goofs, but I fully understand why they feel the need to do something. How is one supposed to respond when members of our government’s sprawling bureaucracy want to play god with their power over other citizens? What is the proper recourse when those citizens are the target of a vendetta and denied their constitutional right to redress, or even recognition, of grievances?
Don’t know about you but, where I come from when someone tells you to butt out, they mean it…
Has the family asked *everyone* to pretend they aren’t being wrongly steamrolled, or have they just told the dopes to quit making things worse? There’s a pretty big difference, and I’ve only seen the latter.
Again, I don’t agree with what the yahoos are doing, but I also don’t agree that sitting on one’s thumbs and watching a family get used and abused by the almighty federal monstrosity is the right response. The two issues are being falsely tied together here: The idiots going cowboy is one thing, but them choosing a wrong way to protest doesn’t mean no protest is warranted.
Like the Black Lives Matter thing, these OK guys are just shooting themselves in the foot, IMO.
But the major difference being, the idiots there are only shooting themselves in the foot, not others, or calling for the murder of police officers, as a lot of BLM supporters have done.
No, the ‘MAJOR’ difference is that BLM has not taken over a govt bldg. ARMED and threatening violence. And plenty of these wingnuts are calling for violence against the govt and killings, so don’t try to use a few BLM quotes as the majority.
You must have a very selective memory
Jonn, small grammar note, the town is Burns, not Burn.
The headline looked like “The BUMS” to me.
Attention whores dressed out like GEARDOs. Yeah, they’re doing wonders for their image, I wonder just how much the DNC Pravda media is going to associate those booger-eating bedwetting thumbsuckers with legit ME Vets?
According to Jonn on Facebook, the media is trying to get info on the fakers.
We just scored a link from Master Bateman on Esquire if that’s any indication.
Maybe you should send Master Bateman the link to the article with Ritzheimer’s records, Jonn. Bateman can’t seem to find them with both hands and help. (smile)
I’m already afraid that we’re going to be a Left-Wing blog after today. Yesterday, we had a DU link.
Damn… the depths this place has sunk to… linked to Esquire and DU. What next…Kos and LGF?
Where’s the brain bleach and Brillo pads when you need them????
You rang?
http://s3.photobucket.com/user/Joel7373/media/Psychlorox.jpg.html
OH, so Master Bateman is now posting his mental masturbations in a fashion mag about as politically neutral as Rolling Stone or Mother Earth News! I wonder how soon that tinfoil-headed glittery gargoyle gonad ogler is going to portray those lead paint chip-eaters as NRA and VSO leadership as well? I think they’re all about as mentally competent as a certain phony CPO that acts like he’s a clone of Fred Phelps, and that includes Master Bateman!!
Master Bateman the first female 11B I was hoping he fell of the edge of the flat Earth and was eaten by serpents. But writing for GQ is almost as bad.
I’ve already been linked to these assholes because I’m, 1–conservative, 2–own a gun.
Yeah, the leftards are reaching hard on this one, despite the fact most of us do not support these idiots.
The douche bag in the picture above is on Fox news right now. He is standing in his clown suit behind the guy talking to the media.
Where’s the drama queen pointing his antenna this time?
Someone needs to turn the firehoses on these clowns. Especially now. The weather’s COLD!
Cutting the utility feeds (gas/electricity/water) to the property in question might have much the same effect.
Even if they have a well on-site. I’m guessing there’s no hand pump. And I’m also guessing there’s not a huge fuel tank for any on-site generator or heating plant, either.
The local media says that they’re not sure if the militia is actually inside the building.
I give ’em two weeks MAX, I think those tinfoil-heads will either run out of supplies and give up or they’ll just slither off as soon as they think they’re no longer getting the attention they crave from the snooze media! Hell, cut them off from pizza and doughnut deliveries and they might not last a week!
It can be mighty f’ng cold in that part of Oregon. Maybe they’ll be over-ran with sub-zero weather. Heh.
It has warmed up to the mid-20’s this week.
A regular winter heat wave. Let me take off a couple of layers down to my thermals.
I sent this to the board but am posting here to because I bet John is busy..
An article where “occupy oregon” is already on facebook soliciting donations>
http://www.people.com/article/oregon-militiamen-accepting-donations-facebook
I forgot, the comments at the bottom of the story are great (here are a couple):
I’m gonna send condoms, I don’t want these idiots breeding in there.
Just so hilarious. They want to use the U.S. Postal system to fight their anti-government militia war on the Feds!
How exactly do these morons think they’re going to be receiving these items? Do they envision a pizza guy being allowed through to bring them a few larges with pepperoni? That the postal guy will be delivering Amazon packages to their location? lol
and
Mommy, send supplies, someone took my undies and drank my redbull
Maureen Peltier, a Washington Army National Guard staff sergeant and member of the so-called patriot movement, told The Oregonian that some in the group were armed and others were not.
http://www.kgw.com/news/oregon-militia-siege-how-did-we-get-here/10786279
Any relation, I wonder?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Peltier
I never bothered to watch bald ass hole/jerk off Jon Ritzheimer’s tearful goodbye video, but from a brief screen shot I can tell that the Constitution he’s holding up you can buy on Amazon for $1
Ritzheimer was briefly mentioned on Good Morning America today
You know, properly announced, most all of us might have had at least a passing interest in this story. But with the two heading to jail on their own and not seeking the assistance of these 20 dudes, that kind of dilutes the interest.
Now if some of their reps (of the 20) think they can solicit at least a listening ear, yesterday’s rants by two of them did them no service. ESPECIALLY the retard calling us names. WAAAAAAYYYY out of his league to insult posters on this site and not expect verbal bricks back in the face. Idiot insulting as he was, and thinking he could make a point, he’d just as well shit on a rattle snake’s head before it strikes. This is a civilized crowd posting, but we do NOT take any of his bullshit lightly. Damned right we will stand up and pitch his own garbage right back at him with no sympathy.
That’s the trouble with groups like this. It’s like a mosquito running up an elephant’s ass with intent to rape. They might just as well have had Pee Wee Herman as their spokesman.
With the “Shithouse 20” standing their ground at this time of year, it won’t last long. Stay as long as you like, fellas. Nobody here going to miss the use of that building for quite some time. You could have accomplished the same thing by surrounding a cactus plant. Don’t you know a PLAN in hand can get you there faster than unbridled chaos? What’s next? One of them coming up with a Bat Man or Spidey Man suit? Being out there without a cause makes a lot of sense supporting folks who don’t want your help. In time maybe they’ll form a band such as Queen ll or maybe the Unwashed Village People Dirty Butts.
The more I thought about the personal attack by the typewriter warriors against those on this site; there was ONLY one paper commando sin to commit that would have been worse. That would have been for them to piss in Don Shipley’s porridge. F’ng WW Three in ten seconds flat! Send the Charmin, no enemas needed.
Screw these nitwits. That Ryan Payne sure looks like a badass though.
Since most of you don’t normally read the Washington Post….
Has Bernath been more active since TAH has been in the news today? I bet he’s hating this.
JONN SOLD OUT TO DA MAN! JONN SOLD OUT TO DA MAN!!
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD GET THE MAN SOME GUNS, BOOZE AND CIGARS TO GET HIM BACK ON THE PATH…
THIS IS A SIGN OF THE APOCALYPSE!!!!
Bernath’s jaw is dropped about as much as when Diane Shipley tore into his ass.
Assuming he has time to read the paper, what with all his legal issues of late.
Yup that will hyperlink thousand’s of new people to the joy of Daniel Bernath and the DRG. He may try to sue the Washington Post as well as gravity and corn.
Speakin’ of the wannabe devil, I heard rumor that Daniel A. Bernath the Fred Phelps clone has even filed for a Restraining Order against his invisible friends!
Motley Crue? Oh, noes! Tommy Lee’s stunt on a roller coaster backfired on New Year’s Eve.
Oh, we’re not talking about 1980s rock groups? Awwwww!
Government harassment, intimidation and prosecution is way overboard (yet appears to be prevalent in many govt. agencies). The Hammonds should have never been targets of the bureaucrats of BLM from the beginning.
Will the BIG Government bureau of land management assholes be reigned in?
Very Doubtful. Better get used to it.
They started 3 illegal fires on federal land. They admit that two of the fires may have endangered campers in 2001 and fire fighters in 2006. The 2001 fire was started to cover up evidence of their poaching on federal lands.
The younger Hammond, with his father’s full knowledge and consent, also sandpapered his nephews chest to remove some initials the kid carved into himself with a paper clip.
These are not nice friendly country folk just trying to be left alone. I hate minimum mandatory sentencing, but I have no sympathy for these two butt plugs.
I wonder what her chain of command thinks about this…Washington National Guard Member Finds Common Ground With Armed Occupiers
http://nwnewsnetwork.org/post/washington-national-guard-member-finds-common-ground-armed-occupiers
That’s gonna be a Texas-sized case of heartburn for her CoC, I do NOT envy them!
Y’all Qaeda –
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a1b_1451962806
You know, I like you. I’ve known about your website and mission ever since trying to figure out if a scummy former boss of mine’s lying extended to his alleged military career. I think you do good work.
But when you think two wildlife poaching, child abusing, hillbillies got the short end of the stick as far as actually receiving one of the few mandatory minimum sentencing penalties being enforced in recent history when it comes to morons destroying/defacing public lands and wildlife? I tend to form the opinion you’re a moron.
Disappointing. ):
What on earth are you talking about?
I’m sure he has no idea WHAT he’s talking about.
The Feds accused the Hammonds of setting the fire to cover up an illegal poaching operation on the Wildlife Refuge. The Feds went after them under a law passed after OKC which was Terrorism. Of the rest, IDK.
The Hammonds if i get it right claim they were setting a backfire to try and save their cows and buildings after the Feds set a fire on the refuge. Their fire got out of control and burned about 140 acres on the refuge. Anyone think 6yrs or so in the slammer a little much for an out of control grassfire that burned 140 acres?
Sounds to me like the Feds want the Hammonds land to add to the refuge and the Hammmonds are not leaving so they are going to get hammered until they do.
Multiple fires, actually, on at least two different occasions.
Commenter “MrBill” linked to a great article summarizing the case in comments to Jonn’s earlier article about the standoff. You might want to read that, along with the legal documents I linked in comments there (the appeal decision and the sentencing hearing transcript).
The Hammonds are indeed be getting royally hammered, and it’s arguable whether or not their sentence is “too strict”. But 5 years (not 6) is the mandatory minimum under Federal law for the crime of which they were convicted: deliberate arson of Federal property, 18 USC 844(f)(1). They’re also getting credit for time previously served.
As I’ve said previously: in the western US, wildfire is – to paraphrase the current VP – a “big (freaking) deal”. Having lived in the western US for a number of years, I don’t have any problem with someone convicted of deliberately setting a wildfire doing felony time.
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*…moron, too.
(: Moderate or don’t, it makes no difference to me. All that matters is you read my words.
What? Huh? What was that?
Compare this “occupy” to the “occupy wall street” and “black lives matter” gangs. And then see which side the government controlling media and legal system supports and “why.” The Muslim in the White House is looking for another big incident to justify his anti-constitutional “gun control” mania by overriding Congress and states rights. Don’t be a sucker and side with the brainwashed Feds by “bad-mouthing” Americans who haven’t succumbed to the “collectivist” mentality.
Really? Cuz if this was a group of black men the government would have bombed the whole place by now. SHOOT, if you’re a kid at the park with a toy gun and you’re black you get shot…
I think the media is staying quiet because when the government doesn’t do anything to this group of crazies the rest of the folks won’t go nuts.
what a dipshit. did the government bomb those thugs burning down Ferguson or Baltimore. I must have missed that part. If your in a park with a toy gun that looks identical to a real one and your, what 12 or 14?, you better know how stupid it is to point it at a cop. Unless, of course, your parents are cop hating entitled government wards that spew stupidness on a daily basis.
I notice you left parts of that out- mainly the “keep reaching for the toy gun you have stuffed in your waistband” part. Or the “fail to comply with lawful orders” part. Also, remind me- what parts of Ferguson and Baltimore did the government bomb during the riots?
If this was BLM protest the town would have been burned to the ground in peace and solidarity by now.
I heard that the Little Ceasar’s franchise in Ferguson was going to offer free breadsticks and pizza tomorrow… JUST KIDDING, they burned it down, remember?
Weather in Burns, OR, today is foggy and snow, probably freezing fog which ends up as rime ice on trees and bushes – very pretty. And temps in the 30F range daytime, with teens at night.
I hope they enjoy the chill out there. Have the TV trucks gone home yet?
Gee, they’re going to have fun when the power goes away soon.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/05/oregon-wildlife-militia-standoff-power-cut-off
Gee whiz, NO electricity, water or pizza delivery? WHAT will they use to heat water for their ramen noodles? I give them a week at most, and taking over an unoccupied building at a wildlife refuge? Rocket surgeons.
Current weather conditions in Burns, OR:
33F w/snow and fog, down to 22F overnight
Weds: more snow, temps to 21F overnight
Thurs: chilly, cloudy, low of 16F
Friday: cold, cloudy, low of 11F
I do hope they enjoy their stay. Unfortunately, in such inclement weather overnight, the wind can pick up and make the wind chill even worse, with drifting snow getting into every open spot in your clothing.
Without power, how will they keep warm?
Oh! I have it! They can start a fire!!
You know there’s nothing really wrong with peaceful civil protest. But…being all “militarized” up just says…
“Hey, look at us, yep we’re all clowns, we all graduated from the “Dipstick Clown College down in Florida and we got the diplomas to prove it, so THERE! But no, no and NO, to answer your direct questions since you seem to want just D-E-T-A-I-L-S, we’ve never served in or had anything even remotely close to training in any ‘really military’ type of thing ‘er stuff. But that doesn’t mean we’re not for real or take away from the importance of these very expensive camos and walkie-talkies. They’re two-way, multi-channel you know!!! Hey we’re just us and we wear this stuff to show for our cause, you know, the cause, that’s what it’s all about! I thought you guys were here about the issues, not our creds? Sheeeeeeesh!!!!”
What a well-respected 5th generation rancher and neighbor of the Hammonds said:
“Intentionally setting fires, were convicted of the crimes, would have been charged with all nine counts against them by the jury, had they not plea bargained with the Justice Attorney. Had no regard for where fire fighters may have been. Have stared fires to cover up poaching crimes. Have burned onto neighbors lands. Becoming ruthless and reckless each time. How many other ranchers in our county have done this, out of the hundreds, who also make their homes and livings here?
I have know these two individuals and their families for years. I see them as friends. But sadly, wrong choices were made, they did the wrong things. Would they make someone pay a price for breaking one of their rules?
Will I march to show support? No. But I will show support to their wives and children and be there for them, if they need anything, I will be there in a heart beat! Do I hope they serve the entire five years? No, I hope they will be able to have an early release, come home to their families and their ranch. Do I hope the government gets their land? No, I hope they will pay their fine, they signed that plea agreement, it’s up to them to follow through on everything they agreed to. That’s as good as a handshake here, it’s your word!
I am sorry that our county is being pulled into all this mess and drama. I feel there are positive things to put all this energy into. Harney County let us stand together for what is good, positive and strong about our county and its people!”