Virginia to rescind reciprocity agreements with most states

| December 22, 2015

The Washington Post reports that Virginia’s Attorney General Mark R. Herring intends to announce later today that Virginia will rescind it’s reciprocity agreements with 25 states in regards to allowing those states’ concealed weapon permit holders to carry in Virginia. While most states are strengthening Second Amendment protections, the state now governed by a carpetbagger is weakening those protections;

Herring said severing the out-of-state agreements can prevent people who may be dangerous or irresponsible from carrying a concealed weapon.

“To me, this is a commonsense step that can help make Virginians and our law enforcement officers safer by ensuring that Virginia’s laws on who can and cannot carry a concealed handgun are applied evenly, consistently, and fairly,” he said in a statement provided to The Washington Post.

“Our General Assembly has already identified who can and cannot conceal handguns in Virginia, and we cannot have that decision undermined by recognizing permits from other states with more permissive standards.”

The states which are being dropped from the list are; Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, North Dakota, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Washington, Wisconsin and Wyoming. West Virginia, Michigan, Oklahoma, Texas and Utah remain on the list.

In contrast, Ohio, earlier this year, allowed all permitted CCW holders to carry in the State, which is at it should be. But, you know, Virginia wanted a governor from Syracuse, so that’s what they got. Virginians can count on their ability to carry concealed in those states dissipating, too. That’s why they call it a reciprocity agreement.

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John Robert Mallernee

This violates Article IV, Section 1 of the Constitution of the United States of America, regarding “full faith and credit” being granted and recognized by each state to agreements made by all other states.

But, of course, who gives ANY regard to the Constitution of the United States of America these days?

Luddite4Change

“Full faith and credit” has generally never been universally applied to licenses.

Your Virginia fishing/hunting license wasn’t good in North Carolina, and neither was a law license or medical license.

Drivers licenses were perhaps an exception, but I don’t know how the “full faith and credit” would have treated some one who was 15 and legal to drive in Kansas (it was legal when I was younger) if they were stopped in California where the age was 16.

Even marriage licenses are not fully recognized throughout the country. It may be legal to marry your 16 year old second cousin in Alabama, but if you move to Washington state the marriage is invalid and your likely now a sex offender to boot.

The Other Whitey

My California hunting license doesn’t permit me to take game in Idaho. However, it does provide automatic eligibility for an Idaho nonresident hunting license without having to attend an Idaho-certified hunter safety class first. So, barring any unlawful activity on my part, Idaho cannot bar me from obtaining said license, nor can they require me to undergo additional hassle beyond submitting the requisite paperwork.

Luddite4Change

True. Did California require you to take a hunter ed class (or waive the requirement)?

The Other Whitey

Yes, a hunter safety class was required, as in other states. My point is that my possession of a California hunting license (which required that class) is recognized, so I am not required to do another one just because I go to another state.

Luddite4Change

It appears that Virginia wouldn’t require an additional class in this instance either. Just more money and the verification that you took the class.

This is kind of the problem with not having a more uniform standard. Texas grants permission to carry for every citizen with a CCW from any state. However, that is through executive order/proclamation which can be cancelled by any later Governor.

desert

I doubt that idiot will remain in office long, they need to start an impeachment petition NOW… and maybe get a scaffold built 😉

Tom

It’s quite likely that this is about concealed carry in general. Virginia offered a non-resident permit that (was) good in 28 or 29 states due to reciprocity agreements. The non-resident permit could, I believe, be obtained through an online class and by mail (to submit fingerprints for background check). I have met a number of people who have used the Virginia permit instead of going to the Texas CHL certification class because it was easier to get. None of those people were regular travelers to Virginia, BTW.

Luddite4Change

I wouldn’t be surprised if this is the first of several states that move in this direction of disallowing reciprocity with states that have more relaxed standards for issue.

What I am also wondering is if this is just a money grab by the state, given that to get my non-resident permit for Virginia I have to take an online class ($40-50) and then send in the paperwork with the applicable state fee (I think its like $10-20 bucks). Just the potential numbers of folks from Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Ohio, Kentucky and North Carolina gives me pause.

Luddite4Change

I was off. It’s $100 for the non-resident permit, so I’d have to believe this is a bunch of money. It was over $200K last year, and by cutting off the surrounding states will no doubt grow.

Poetrooper

One of the first things I take into consideration when planning a trip is the gun laws of the states I will be visiting or passing through and I’m not even a licensed carrier; I just like to have a gun(s) close at hand in my vehicle and my hotel room at all times. I suspect there are millions of Americans like me in that regard.

The carpetbagging Democrats have just made Virginia a state I, and I suspect many others, no longer care to spend money in. I do not want to take any chances of being involved in a self-protection incident in any state that is blatantly hostile to 2d Amendment rights.

I’ll wager that Virginia’s loss of tourism dollars will far exceed the costs of any shooting incident by an out-of-state visitor. Why is it that liberals have such a hard time understanding the negative consequences of their too-often, grandstanding, foolish actions?

Pinto Nag

You’re giving liberals too much credit for innocence. They know exactly what effect their actions will have. Don’t you see? We (gun owners and their ilk) are being slowly hazed into our very own ‘wilderness’ areas, like elk, bear, and wolves. Only when we are ‘tamed’ (either disarmed, or part of a uniformed service and therefore presumably ‘safe’) will we be allowed into ‘civilized’ areas.

Dave Hardin

Here is a link for the non-Resident Concealed Carry Permit for VA.

http://virginiaconcealed.com/nonresident/

I know some of you Gun Nutz can’t spend a day without meandering around the country itching to gun down some perceived threat.

Looks like a few bucks and you can blaze away at your fellow citizens at your own recognizance.

Please kill responsibly.

B Woodman

I HOPE that you merely forgot to add the (/sarc) tag at the end of your post.

Marine_7002

Dave’s normal mode is /sarc/. When he’s not in /sarc/ mode, he puts /sarc-off/ at the end of his posts. heh

MCPO NYC USN Ret.

I thought he was serious!

MustangCryppie

“Herring said severing the out-of-state agreements can prevent people who may be dangerous or irresponsible from carrying a concealed weapon.”

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

nbcguy54ACTUAL

Thank God they don’t let irresponsible people drive cars up there… or hold public office.

AW1 Tim

Wouldn’t it be fun if, say, North Carolina, Tennessee, or West Virginia retaliated by refusing to recognize driver’s licenses from Virginia?

I think that that would be a hoot and a half. 🙂

Frankie Cee "In the clear"

F&ck you Dave Hardin. Damned right we will “Kill Responsibly”, why would we common sense citizens do otherwise.But, (Something that you dopes cannot/will not grasp is that, in so doing we will be saving lives responsibly.)
This is reason 548, (0r is it #549?), that I see in not going anywhere near the “Communist State”, (as we truckers nicknamed it back in the 1980s). Because of this I won’t even spend money online to anyone with a VA address.

Pinto Nag

Read a little more of Dave’s posts, and you’ll see he was being sarcastic with what he said. Cease fire.

Dave Hardin

This Behavioral Probation is causing nervous ticks, constipation, and double vision.

Its been over a week since I have had my daily requirement to Phuk Off.

Frankie made my day, I feel much better now.

A Proud Infidel®™

Hey Dave, how ’bout a few verses of “Kum-ba-yah” and a group hug? *ducking into low crawl like there’s no tomorrow*

Pinto Nag

Ah, I see. I’ll just leave you to the tender ministrations of the dog-pile, then. 😉

Hondo

DH: whenever you are in need of a “eh, FO” fix, I suggest you simply view this very NSFW Youtube clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-WJkJsPZoQ

Might want to bookmark it for future use, just in case. (smile)

Dave Hardin

Sure now you give me the link, I only have 1 week, 1 day and a wake up left.

Your thoughtful support is very touching.

Phuk Ewe very much.

Hondo

Well, FC – what else would you expect from a state where radar detectors are illegal?

Dave Hardin

I always thought that was a bit strange. I remember when I-95 stopped just south of Fredricksburg. There was a toll booth about every 5 miles.

They will bring in a few million dollars with all the non-resident permits that will be filed.

Hondo

I will have to give VA props on that one. I295 around Richmond (and possibly I95 through Richmond as well) was originally built as a toll road, with the provision that tolls would be abolished when the bonds that financed construction were paid off.

The state kept its word – both I95 and I295 through/around Richmond are now freeways.

Dave Hardin

I go through there all the time on the way to the sail boat. Sen Byrd left his mark on West Virginia roads.

GDContractor

Dave,
When you are out on the sailing vessel and away from all internet negative waves, I figured you might want some Phuk offs stored up.
So:
Phuk off.
Phuk off.
Phuk off.
and
Phuk off.
Save them to use as you see fit.
Merry Christmas, Happy Fesitvus, and Solemn Probationary greetings, WOOF WOOF,
GDC

Dave Hardin

Rainbows, butterflies, and sweet dreams GDC.

The world is my oyster.

Joe

Freeway is a loose term, that has to be the worst area in terms of local sheriffs hounding I-95 for speeding tickets. 81 mph in a 70 zone gets you reckless op, a $300 ticket, and an immediate call from lawyers in the area offering to defend your ticket for a mere $500.

its all about the benjamins

A Proud Infidel®™

A “Good ‘ole Boy” money game between Government and lawyers, who da’ thought of sump’n like that?

MCPO NYC USN Ret.

Yo, it was Cchristmas cheer.

B Woodman

SO. . . with this most recent bit of ass-hattery, does this make the VA Atty Gen a “Red Herring”?

Not that I was planning on traveling to Virginia anytime soon, but even if I were, I’m not about to tell anyone if I’m CCW . . or not. And I’m from Utah, one of the still privileged states. . . . for now.

And if Mr Red Herring is soooo concerned about “. . . other states with more permissive standards”, then why is Utah on the Good list? Utah has been accused in times past of having one of the more lax set of standards for obtaining a CCW in the US.

Just more double hypocrisy.

Luddite4Change

All of the states that are still going to be “good” for Virginia require some type of “Documentation of Proof of Handgun Competency” like the Virginia statute requires for its own citizens. To get the Utah CCW you need to attend the class, which is why 5 states will retain reciprocity.

The issue of some type of uniform standard has been the stumbling block in getting more uniform rules for CCW across the country. The Texas representative in Congress stopped one the the attempts in previous years because Texas standards (class and bi-annual qualification) was considerably much more stringent than other states.

B Woodman

L4C,
Many states require class and range time. Utah requires only class time.

Luddite4Change

I know that several due, but wasn’t going to track each down this morning.

Reciprocity is a purely executive action. Texas didn’t recognize most states for a long time due to the class/firing requirement.

One of the stranger cases of non-reciprocity was Washington state, which doesn’t recognize states that don’t explicitly limit the permits to individuals 21 and over.

http://www.atg.wa.gov/concealed-weapon-reciprocity

Jabatam

Then why did Florida, which has such a requirement, get axed?

Luddite4Change

Off the bat, my guess would be that the Florida language is not specific enough in terms of who can carry in terms of age (at least that’s the reason that Florida was non-reciprocal with my current state permit).

Max Havoc

This is bull_hit! NC has stricter standards than VA for obtaining a CC permit. You have to take an 8 hour class, during which time you have to take a written test and actually shoot at targets at different distances. Fingerprints and a background check are also required? WTF! I moved from NC to VA so I still have an NC permit but I still visit my home-state often. If NC follows suit then in one state or the other I will be in violation if I carry.

Old Trooper

So; has there been a big problem with out of state permit holders coming to Virginia and committing crimes? Are there a lot of out of state permit holders intimidating residents of Virginia? If there are, which I suspect isn’t the case; then why take this action now? How will this move lower the crime rate in Virginia?

A Proud Infidel®™

MAYBE it will make Virginia’s criminals feel much safer when mugging, assaulting or carjacking people from out of state?

B Woodman

Heh. Until one of the in-state muggers is shot and killed by an out-of-stater defending themselves.
Then it’s time to practice the Four Esses:
Suppress (if possible)
Shoot
Shovel
Silence

Brown Neck Gaitor

Realizing this is rhetorical, no there has not been.

What there has been in the home of Washington and Jefferson is Bloomberg (actual) and McAwful (political) spent capital this year in an attempt to get Dem control of the State Senate.

Didn’t happen, so now the Executive Branch is trying to find ways to restrict guns.

The first was the new rule that no concealed weapon is allowed in a building that houses an Executive Branch department. Second is this as this train wreck.

Twist

Virginia must be having a huge problem with Alaskan CCW holders.

Hondo

No. But Virginia’s king governor apparently has a problem with firearms being carried by “commoners”.

A Proud Infidel®™

Maybe he’s concerned about the safety of “Victims of Society” and wants them to have a little peace of mind when carjacking people from out of State?

AW1Ed

The list of Maryland’s reciprocity is pretty short- none. Of course, unless you have a “Good and Substantial” reason for a CCW, as decided by a panel of unelected State Police officials, you ain’t getting one any way.

Hondo

Yep. People’s Republics (MD, MA, CA, RI, etc . . . ) and Soviets (NY, HI et al) kinda work that way.

E-6 type, 1 ea

Looks like the Secret Service doesn’t mind sharing weapons, though.

Facepalm

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/secret-service-agents-gun-stolen-car-downtown-dc-35913019

A Proud Infidel®™

MAYBE THEY NEED TO pass laws forbidding the theft of firearms, wait, never mind… I wonder if they’ll catch the thief before he kills someone with it?

Hondo

My guess is yes – any thief with half a brain would have fenced that pistol by now.

Of course, that “with half a brain” part often proves false. So ya never know.

CWORet

Jonn, you left out the best part. From here:

http://www.fredericksburg.com/news/virginia/virginia-revokes-handgun-permit-agreement-with-states/article_ece40db6-a8d5-11e5-b08f-4b2464311cd2.html

“Attorney General Mark Herring, a Democrat, said the state will revoke its reciprocity agreement with the states because their concealed weapon laws don’t meet Virginia’s standards. Those states hand out permits to people who are barred under the Virginia law, like fugitives, convicted stalkers and drug dealers, which undermines the state’s law and puts residents at risk, he said.”

Yea. That makes sense.

PavePusher

Apparently he’s:

A. A liar.

B. Ignorant of his state AND Federal gun laws.

Bobo

Tennessee just issued a statement that they will reexamine their allowance of VA CCWs in TN. I think that there were 3 states that would automatically stop accepting VA CCWs with the change because they required mutual reciprocity (PA and DE come to mind). What the VA AG has done is just ruined my ability to carry across state lines with my VA resident CCW. It looks like I’ll be going back to my former home state of NH to get a non-resident CCW so I can actually carry when I cross the VA boarder.

jonp

We let our NH permits expire when we moved south and got them for our current state. Guess I’ll follow in your footsteps and get the non-res NH permit again

Skippy

Bobo. Move to Arizona and you won’t need a CCW

PavePusher

Except for reciprocity in other states.

jonp

So…my in person training in North Carolina isn’t good enough for Virginia but I can take Virginia’s super duper online video training and I’m good to go? I smell a money grab, here