Detroit officers oppose NFL policy
The National Football League enacted a policy in 2013 that forbids off-duty cops from taking their firearms into the NFL stadiums according to a Detroit News article. The Detroit police union wrote a letter asking them to reverse that decision;
“Law enforcement officers often carry a weapon while off duty not only for their own personal protection but to provide a critical response when circumstances call for immediate police action,” said the letter, which had not been sent to the league yet Friday evening as the unions finalize it.
“Current events, not least the unconscionable acts of terrorism we have recently experienced, only add to the desirability of having readily available armed law enforcement officers even if they are not officially ‘on duty.’ ”
Of course, James Craig, Detroit’s tough, pro-Second Amendment police chief who encourages law abiding citizens to arm themselves, opposes the ban, too;
“It’s a bad policy, given what’s going on in the world today,” said Detroit Police Chief James Craig, a gun rights advocate. “The difference between surviving and not surviving could rest with an off-duty officer who is able to defend against some crazed terrorist who wants to take us out.” Craig did not add his signature to the letter.
Of course, it’s the NFL’s choice who they allow to be armed on their property, but I don’t think they thought this one through.
Thanks to Marine_7002 for the link.
Category: Guns
Funny how the NFL thinks they can enforce this when half the players are strapped.
I bet it’s more than half of the players are packing heat… and some are probably graduates of the Plaxico Burris School of Gun Safety!
That video always warms my dark little heart.
MWAHAHAHA
😀 CLASSIC!! 😀
I wonder how the NFL would like to see a drop in ticket sales of lawful gun carriers?
Yeh really! and The Chief should have told them, don’t count on my officers…go hire yourself some idiots that will do security unarmed…then increase the shyt out of your insurance…YOU ARE GOING TO NEED IT!
This is a curiosity to me. If the security include local police on the taxpayers’ dime, the police enforce local ordinances and state laws. They do not enforce (or should not, anyway) enforce NFL policy. So, screw the NFL. LEOs can carry. On the other hand, if security consists of off-duty LEOs being paid by the NFL, then they are charged with enforcing policy. It’s just a matter of one telling another, “You can’t carry that in here.” Not a very likely thing to happen—unless the security is state police and the LEO fan not.
The officers that work the sporting events where I live are a mix of on-duty cops directing traffic and other outside the stadium duties, to off-duty cops working for someone inside the stadium. I’m not sure if they work for the stadium, the home team, or the NFL. You are right in that they can enforce the policy of whoever hires them. I’ve asked the locals in the stadium and they said I couldn’t carry inside off duty. That being said, it is easy enough to spot the security guards that are attentive and deliberate in their searches with the metal detector and the ones that half ass it. I always go to the ones that are tired and bored. They’ve missed it every time!
The NFL and other major league groups don’t care about your safety or ticket sales. They don’t care what anyone else wants and they are groveling at the feet of the PC crowd over this.
They get paid by TV networks at the end of their season. Ticket sales are a minor part of team income. Ad revenues are considerably higher than ticket revenues, no matter how much you’ve been stung by ticket brokers.
Since they lack imagination, they forget that it does not take a lone wolf with a gun, or a bunch of cranks with guns, to ruin a perfectly good ball game. The suicide bomber at the Stade in Paris used a bomb, not guns.
How easily the league execs misunderstand stuff like that.
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“Of course, it’s the NFL’s choice who they allow to be armed on their property”
Curious since most of “their property” was paid for in some way shape or form by the taxpayers of the cities where the stadiums are.
Are the grand high exalted putzes of the National Felon League doing all they can to kiss up to the left or do they want their players safe to assault whoever they please? I’m done with Pro Football any more, it’s more business and politics than sports anymore.
I sure as hell would feel safer knowing that “the dude” to my right or to my left could possibly be an Off-Duty Cop and could possibly be carrying a pistol.
For those not in “The Southland” area, Google Bryan Stow.
And that was only the latest in a long string of shit Dodger fans pulled, especially when the Giants were in town. Few years before that, Dodger fan stabbed and killed TWO people in the Chavez Latrine parking lot.
Dodger fans are just Raider fans during warmer months, and with the same amount of success over the past 25 years. Thugs gonna thug.
Nice to see that Texas has the right answer here.
“Dallas Cowboys and Houston Texans home games are exempt from the ban, since Texas law forces all law enforcement officers to carry firearms at all times.”
From the linked article.
I can see Texas passing a law someday, that would require a license -not- to carry a firearm.
Never happen. Have you ever lived in rural Texas and needed the poleece quickly?
Yet another reason why I don’t go to NFL games. Because the ridiculously overpriced seats to watch a bunch of overpaid manchild dickheads get payed tons of money to play worse than some high school teams weren’t already enough. Plus, I’m a Chargers fan…which is why I don’t watch much football anymore.
The National Felons League is being a bit hypocritical here aren’t they?
The number of shitbags who can run fast and hit hard convicted of criminal behavior playing in the NFL makes the corruption in the Massachusetts State House seem amateurish by comparison, trust me it’s not all amateurish, the number of wife beaters, would be rapists accidental shooters, on purpose shooters, assaulters and on occasion murderers means that they should allow folks to be armed to protect themselves from the players never mind terrorists.
I don’t spend a nickel on pro football, nor will I ever spend a cent on that horseshit. The concerns of millionaires playing a fucking game for billionaires to get more billions hardly matter at all to me nor they seem worth the effort to my mind.
I’m really not interested in paying $200 or more for a seat to be searched like a fucking criminal and told I can’t bring in the bag I just bought at the Pro Shop because it doesn’t fit the list of allowable items. $10 beers and $8 hot dogs just aren’t the attraction required to get me inside. To those who love this nonsense, best of luck in there like sheep or cattle in a corral.
Just one of the shitbags you mentioned. Stedman Bailey, of the St. Louis Rams, was shot twice in the head in Miami. While he was serving a suspension for failing a drug test. Stedman and his cousin were out, showing the sights to some kids in the back seat, at 3a.m., when he and his cousin were shot multiple times.
Stedman gained fame as one of 5 St. Louis Rams, who did the “Hands Up, Don’t Shoot” bullshit before a St. Louis home game last year.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/rams-wr-stedman-bailey-shot-suffers-head-injury-report-article-1.2446124
What a hoot! Good catch–so to speak.
Bailey dropped out of college to enter the draft. On 6/13/2013, he signed a four-year, $2.736 million contract. The deal included a $527,400 signing bonus. 2015: $601,234, 2016: $690,123, 2017: Free Agent (if not dead first.)
He lost 4 games worth of pay last year and either 2 or 4 this year for the same thing: violating the substance prohibition. He was due back to the team in two weeks. I’m guessing that he will be a no show. He now is receiving a lot of drugs, so there’s that.
This just continues the myth that the only effective armed conceal carriers can be police. It is funny though that even the police these days apparently can’t be trusted with being armed. Welcome to Club Pleb.
Is it ‘their’ property?
All those stadiums were built with tax money. Is the NFL the owner, or those communities that paid through the nose for them?
P.S. Isn’t it about time the NFL got it’s nuts trimmed on a whole lot of issues?
It’s irrelevant anyway. State’s have plenty of restrictions on concealed carry even when it’s a private or public.
Michigan forbids concealed carry in sports arenas and stadiums.
Police Officers in Michigan are not subject to the CPL laws – they carry under authority of their department. The laws forbidding concealed carry in any of the restricted venues don’t apply to LEOs – on duty or off. The sole exception is Federal property. That being said, a clearly posted sign indicating firearms or weapons are not allowed on that (private) property could get you in trouble for trespassing if you decide to carry anyway.
You’re correct, my bad. Though Ford Field is posted as a weapons free zone, and it doesn’t differentiate. Same for Comerica Park and Joe Louis Arena.
But, all they can do is ask you to leave (unless it is one of the few restricted places). If you don’t leave, it’s trespassing.
Maybe, maybe not, this is from their posted warning:
“Possession of such a weapon(firearm or any other weapon) will result in immediate confiscation,ejection
and possible arrest”.
When I was there, there was at least one DPD officer, in uniform, at each gate as people were wanded. There were probably more around in plain clothes.
How often anymore do we hear about more than a month going by without any members of the NFL getting arrested or indicted for a felony offense?
160 felony arrests per 100,000 per month in the general population.
0.16% felony arrest rate per month for the general population.
1700 NFL players, one arrest per month; 0.06% felony arrest rate.
The numbers are the same for violent crimes since by some coincidence in statistics the rate of violent crime arrests is the same as felony arrests because the non-violent felony arrests are approximately equal in number to the non-felony violent crime arrests.
*YAWN* Hey Jiffy-poo, can you tell me one year in the last ten when there were more NFL Players inducted into the Hall of Fame than were arrested for felony offenses?
Oh, look, a story about how you are wrong.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/26/us/nfl-players-arrests-study/
From your source, “However, the study does not show arrest rates for domestic violence, a topic that permeated the media’s coverage on Rice, Hardy and McDonald. Researchers could not calculate the arrest rates for domestic violence because the FBI data does not specify it”.
Oh, look. The study is incomplete, at best.
Domestic violence arrest rates are just not calculated separately by the FBI. The arrests themselves are included in the total for violent crime arrests.
*YAWN*
But, you don’t know that, for sure. All your “study” says is that it doesn’t show arrest rates for domestic violence. Because the info isn’t there.
Domestic violence arrests are coded differently than assault arrests, they’re also coded differently from aggravated assault arrests or felonious assault arrests. . Which means they aren’t included in FBI stats, because the Feebs have no way of collating that information.
I know how this data is collected because I was a cop.
And “no” domestic violence arrests are not coded differently unless there is a specific statute for domestic violence in the jurisdiction of the arrest. Often there is not, domestic violence is just an aggravating factor in under an existing battery or assault statute.
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Sure they are, you just won’t admit when you’re wrong.
In the state where I was a cop, there are two charges, Domestic Assault and Aggravated Domestic Assault. Neither has anything to do with the battery or assault statute.
So, if you were, indeed, a hot shot cop, how does one code a crime that the UCR doesn’t recognize?
I am curious why anyone would try to forbid a cop from carrying their weapon while off-duty. That’s like telling a surgeon or medic he can’t carry a trauma bag in the trunk of his car.
No. Not the same thing.
Lars, Please explain to this LE type exactly what you mean. Because the analogy sounds perfectly legit to me.
Me too. And I’m non-LE but, pulease do explain yourself Lucy..
*crickets*
First, there is no provision saying a cop can’t keep a firearm in the trunk of his car. The surgeon in you example has the trauma bag in the trunk of his car.
Second, a firearm is not essential to a police officer serving the public, police around the world do not use firearms in the conduct of their duties. Surgeons however, do need to use their surgical tools or trauma gear to function.
Third, a drunk surgeon with a trauma bag outside the venue in the trunk of his car is not a threat to the general public. A drunk off duty cop with a firearm on his person at the venue potentially is.
I am pro-gun rights in general, but I do not support the notion that police should have blanket special considerations in the right to own and carry firearms off duty or the right to use deadly force.
We should be treated equally under the law. If I can’t have a firearm to defend myself at a sporting event I sure as shit am not comfortable with an off duty cop carrying one.
Sporting events generate strong competitive and aggressive in-group/out-group dynamics and are much more likely to spark violence than most other forms of entertainment. This is proven by multiple studies.
I don’t trust the average moron with a gun at a sporting event. And based on the rate of the use of deadly force in the US compared to any other industrial democracy an American cop has no better judgement with respect to the use of force than the average moron.
So we all have the right to carry one in a sporting event or none of us do.
Oh, and 4th; both surgeons and the general public are allowed to carry trauma bags in the trunk of their car.
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“Third, a drunk surgeon with a trauma bag outside the venue in the trunk of his car is not a threat to the general public. A drunk off duty cop with a firearm on his person at the venue potentially is.”
YOU’RE WRONG AGAIN, JIFFY-POO! 😀 BOTH of them are a threat if they drive drunk!! I JUST MIGHT live in a CCW State and I carry nearly all the time. WHY? One reason is because of all the drug addicts out there as well as the hordes of muslims pouring into the USA, and I won’t quietly bawl and be a victim like you and your ilk. YOU LOSE yet again, Jiffy-poo! 😀 One thing is for sure Jiffy-poo, and it’s that if the way you are now is the way you were when you served I’m sure that nearly NOBODY wanted to see you retained. You remind me of some of the Officers we got rid of on my first ME tour. ALL of them were alive, well and unscathed at the end of the tour, they were relieved for cause and shuttled to obscure desk jobs.
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GOTCHYA AGAIN, Jiffy-poo!! 😀 Didja read my response to you about when I did Basic & AIT? I’M NOT even remotely shitting you about that, I ETS’ed from AD and came back in after a NINE YEAR break in service and did TWO ME tours after that. Even after nine years of making it in civilian life I still left a LOT of younger Enlisted and Junior Officers EATING MY DUST in runs and road marches. I’m a GRUNT, and we Grunts NEVER GIVE UP, I’ll drive on until I drop dead before I give up!
I’d bet that your fellow officers obeyed every traffic law on the books responding to your calls for assistance.
Okay, you make some good points, but are you going to prepared to go, with that firearm, to the aid of someone who is being beaten senseless by a couple of thugs?
And take into consideration before answering that question that any LEO seeing you with a gun might consider you to be the offender, no matter how much you protest to the contrary.
I’m referring to the incident at a San Francisco baseball game a few years ago.
Argh …
Precisely, PN. They are all special tools carried by those specially trained to use them. Speaking of special tools, I see that one disagreed with you. Congratulations. That confirms that you are correct.
Now, now. Just because the carp jumped out of the pen, does not mean a fish cannot be trained.
I’m just surprised that a LEO isn’t armed at all times.
The venues I worked out on the west coast, LE was kept out of the crowd because of leftist shit sticks that would steal an open carried weapon. Happened, T-Dome and poleece woman wasn’t none too thrilled to let security handle the situation until after her weapon was taken….by a *guest* of the venue. As for NFL banning them, I never spent a penny at Hawks games or Mariners and Sonic’s for that matter.
I cannot imagine wasting a cent on tickets to a stadium or arena game when you can get better views on TV, even if you don’t have cable.
Seriously, paying the prices the various sports leagues want for tickets is not my idea of how to use money wisely.
Yeah, I don’t get why anybody would actually want to go to football game when it’s a million times better on TV. Well, that’s not totally true, you might not be able to see shit at the stadium, but at least you don’t have to hear Dennis Leary trying to sell you an F-150 every ten minutes.
Hockey is the only sport that’s better to watch in person. The action is easier to follow than it is on TV and the energy is incredible.
Been in a few big arena events. The Pagan MC club knife fight at a Southern Fried Rock concert in my mis-spent youth was entertaining but not in a good way, but the rest all stand out as a huge PITA getting in, paying way too much, getting seated, watching the show.
Then the reverse, getting out alive.
I do recall enjoying the cheerleaders at an NFL game, couldn’t tell you who played or won.
But, you know, cheerleaders.
Sorry PN and Ex, I am male with a heartbeat.;-)
Comes with having a “Y” chromosome and a functional pair, don’t it? Probably why I can’t remember jack shixx about any game or race on a TV in any and every Hooter’s I ever went to!!
Never apologize for being normal, Ed. 😉
As much as I love chick flicks, I prefer the ‘guy’ movies because the guys are usually hunks and eye candy. They may be as shallow as dry mud, but they look good, so who cares?
I never could figure out why I wasn’t interested in Bruce Jenner. Then he turned into a girl. That explained it.
Any LEO or retired LEO who DOESN”T carry is risking his life and that of his family. Men and women who wear a badge have a huge target painted on them because of the shit media and Criminal Gangs that are allowed to thrive under the current administration.
this has nothing to do with the current administration. Knock of the nonsense propaganda.
Hey Jiffy-poo, do you TRY your damnedest to be as thin-skinned and common sense-free as you can? I’m certain the answer is YES. 😀
Go tickle yourself Lars. The current Fool in the white house has done nothing but disrespect and question Law Enforcement in high profile Officer involved shootings.
Micheal Brown.
He basically has painted a target on LEOS across the country.
It’s amazing, isn’t it? No one is allowed to have an opinion about something because the carp doesn’t like it.
Stuff it, carp.
We have free speech in this country.
As of right now I’m predicting that Jiffy-poo Lars is going to wait until the wee hours of the morning to troll and then he’ll think he’s won for now, THAT KID!!! 😀
Oh. Lars is here. Bye.
Awwww, don’t go away. I’m here.
NO go away SJ, INFIDEL LIKE YOU TOO!!! :d