Populist gun control
So, Harry Reid decided to pander to the ignorant calls for “expanded background checks” yesterday, according to The Hill;
“The United States is the only advanced country where this type of mass violence occurs,” Reid said from the Senate floor. “Let’s do something. We can expand, for example, background checks. … We should support not giving guns to people who are mentally ill and felons.”
I fully support that recommendation – the thing is, it’s already illegal to transfer guns to the mentally ill and felons.
But Reid warned that without new legislation, “we will be here again. Our hearts will be broken again, and we’re going to have to ask ourselves how we allowed another senseless tragedy to take place while we stand by doing nothing.”
What new legislation, Harry? Just saying the words is meaningless. It’s no more than pandering to the masses, the masses of ignorant morons who, for some reason, think that there are no background checks currently. Maybe they get that idea from lying politicians like Harry Reid who want to perpetuate the myth that politicians can solve society’s ills with new legislation.
The problem here is that are indeed laws that would have prevented Tucson, Aurora, New Town and Charleston, but government is failing us by not enforcing the laws. Instead of pushing the burden of gun control onto the majority of gun owners, why isn’t government forcing it’s own employees to do their jobs? Why aren’t they punishing the bureaucrats who won’t update the NICS system in a timely manner correctly? Why aren’t the mental health professionals held to account for their failings in that system?
The system depends on an accurate background checks system, but that doesn’t exist. The system as it currently exists, depends on criminals to tell the truth. Who is so naive that they’ll believe that would happen? That’s what happened when this retard in Charleston bought his firearm – he lied on the ATF form 4473 down there in block #11(e) where it asks him if he uses drugs illegally;
We’re so gullible that we think that someone who is plotting to kill a large number of people will answer these questions truthfully. The call-in to the Feds is supposed to verify the information, but if the Feds don’t have access to the most current information, the potential criminal is going to walk out of the store with a gun.
Former Conservative David Frum, thinks that he can cure the mass shooting thing. In the Atlantic, he urges that the government should make gun owners buy liability insurance and then take “meaningful training”. There are automobile drivers out there without insurance, but Frum thinks that he can make criminals buy insurance for their firearm.
How “meaningful training” will stop criminals, I have no idea, unless they take time out of their crime sprees to punch that ticket.
So, Reid and Frum think that by raising the specter of the “gun show loophole” that will scare politicians to action. The FBI reports that less than 2% of the guns used in crimes are purchased at gun shows. Me, personally, I’ve never bought a gun at a gun show when I didn’t have to go through background checks at the point of sale. So, I don’t know what they’re talking about.
In my considered opinion, making new legislation to control gun owners is about as useful as this current move to eradicate the Confederate flag from the United States. That fellow in South Carolina was wearing shorts in his pictures, too, are we going to do away with short pants to make us safer?
So, if you’re wondering about my senator, Joe Manchin, a recent convert to the grabbing of guns, yes, he’s contemplating a new set of laws according to the Washington Post, because that’s what legislators do.
“We want to make sure we have the votes. Pat’s going to have to, and I’ll work with him, to get some of our colleagues on the Republican side,” Manchin said, adding that he hasn’t talked directly to Toomey about a revival.
Manchin specifically mentioned an effort aimed at keeping guns out of the hands of people diagnosed with mental illness.
So, we legally, mentally balanced gun owners don’t have to worry about Manchin’s new efforts, right? Yeah, right.
Sometimes, doing something just to do something is worse than doing nothing.
Category: Gun Grabbing Fascists
Hope all the gun stores are stocked up — here comes another round of rushed revenue.
Yep. On cue; the anti-gunners lose their shit and want to make more laws and the pro-gunners lose their shit and panic buy. The only winners are those selling both firearms and ammo. Anyone need any .22LR?? I’ve got a little extra I could sell you for a small surcharge………………
Ya know, that’s what has always fascinated me. I mean, when the government finally decides to take the gloves off and come for our guns, look at all the money you’ll have wasted for all those extra guns! I mean, if you have to run out the back door while the feds are coming in the front, how many can you carry with you? I’ll carry my pistol and one rifle or one shotgun and to be honest, I’d be more tempted to grab one of my hunting bows (probably my PSE — it’s tapped for fishing, too) because you can re-use arrows and make them when the ones you have are gone. So what IS it with having a room and/or safe full of guns?
You guys did pick up on the snark in that diatribe, I hope. I’m having entirely too much fun this morning.
Why so many shoes? 8 – )
Gun shopping is more a case of “Ooooh! THAT one!” than “why”.
“Want! ‘Need’ has nothing to do with it.
SHOES?! Hell, BOOTS, man! And only if they’ve got ‘Wolverine’ stamped on the side!
Heh.
I’m still having a hard time finding any worth a shit for under $5/box.
Of 50.
Don’t even ask about .45, 5.56, etc.
Yeah, I just spent $200 for bullets for my husband’s reloading, for .45 ACP. Couldn’t even FIND anything appropriate for .357…
Try this: http://www.gunbot.net/
The site captures listings from the internet and sorts them by price.
You may have better luck this way if you do any ammunition shopping online.
Harry Reid, you SIMPLE SON OF A BITCH! Your exercise machine has harmed more people than my gun!!!!!
He also almost certainly lied on item 11.b. as well, Jonn.
Roof had been arrested on felony drug charges over a month prior to purchasing the firearm he used. Since court action was still pending, legally I’m fairly sure that means he was under “indictment or information” of felony charges against him at the time he filled out that form.
I do not know if it is a legal requirement for states to report arrests (vice convictions) to NICS. However, I do know that lying on the ATF 4473 is itself a Federal felony.
That didn’t stop Mark Kelly from doing so and he hasn’t been prosecuted for it, either. So, my question is; what fucking good are more laws when no one gets their peepee slapped for breaking them?
The
AdministrationRegime can’t be bothered prosecuting people for those crimes. At least Joey Chimp Biden says so, http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/01/joe-biden-we-dont-have-time-to-prosecute-everybody-who-lies-on-background-checks/They’re after real criminals. You know, Tea Party advocacy groups, the real dangers to society.
Yep. Liberals idea for greater background checks:
. Are you under indictment for a felony or convicted of a felony?
. Are you sure?
. Are you lying?
Liberal logic.
I use to live in Nevada. I wonder when Dirty Harry lost his grace. As a kid he was all about taking care of ones self, Grouse hunting, open public lands, and so on, now he is a old Buzzard. WTF ! ! ! LMAO ! ! !
“After he got rich and didn’t need to keep up the facade any more” would be my guess, Skippy.
It’s amazing how he came to congress with about 200,000 give or take in the bank and the LA times 8 years ago stated he was worth 200 million that they could find… LMAO ! !
Holy Crapola ! ! !
“Why aren’t they punishing the bureaucrats who won’t update the NICS system in a timely manner correctly?”
Based on what was reported recently about the OPM database, I have to wonder just who maintains the NICS database and in what country(s) is the system administrator(s) a citizens of?
Transparency and all that…
How about some bad guy feeding those 18 million stolen names and SSNs back into the NICS system? Would that cause any trouble?
If we’re going to ignore the Constitution lets go ahead and outlaw flag burning since the little dirtbag did that in one of his videos.
How about if we just outlaw shooting people when there is no legal justification for shooting them? Heck, I would also support outlawing doing physical harm to other people by any means–not just with a firearm–when there is no legal justification for harming them.
Like I said yesterday, why not just outlaw the US Constitution? Turn the place into Panem or something? Start the Purge episodes. Let’s just go at it whole hog.
Give ’em time, ExPH2… they’re workin’ on it.
Democrats favorite motto “Never let a crisis go to waste”
I have been in a few car accidents, none my fault. In none of those cases did the other driver[s] have insurance. NONE. In one case, a four-car accident (a mass accident, you might say), two of the other drivers didn’t even have drivers licenses…
But yeah licensing, registering, and insuring guns will totally cut down on gun crime.
I have to carry coverage for both underinsured and uninsured drivers in my area. That alone has made my coverage premium rise drastically. And the worst accidents are now being caused by truck drivers, OTR and local both, who go way over the hours they’re allowed to drive.
Same here, plus I have the privilege of contributing to the catastrophic injury coverage for everyone on the road, even those who see insurance as something that the suckers buy, not the cool folks.
And yet people like him love claiming that they don’t want to take guns away.
Dirty Harry if he had his way would take them all
If you like your guns, you can keep your guns.
They have already played that card in another hand called “health care”. You know how it played out.
You’re making far too much sense this morning, Jonn. I can’t handle it.
But just for my edification, is there a statistic regarding the less than 2% of guns bought at gun shows and used in crimes which shows how many of them were stolen before they were used in criminal activity?
In re: hairyreed,I thought he was retired. When is he leaving? He’s saying doing those things to get attention, you know. I keep wondering if he’ll just go ‘POOF’ some day, and disappear in a puff of dust.
Everyone who is getting some loud media time is doing it to get attention. They know how to manipulate an audience – it’s how they get voted into office – and they know exactly what it takes to pander to the public. This has never been about anything except cash in their pockets, and never will be.
If you want to make your own gun, best of luck with that. If you want to make your own bombs, you will find all the info you need through your keyboard. You can learn how to make powerful and costly bombs and smaller, cheaper ones. When Feinstein amended a bill to outlaw posting bomb-making plans on the internet, the Senate voted 94-0 for the ban. They were really just kidding. The same material you could have obtained from the local library or Amazon. It was a good show, though–and that’s what’s really important: the appearance that somebody is doing something.
This is all battlefield space prep for the next presidential campaign. It will be all about rebel flags, free birth control, “sensible gun controls” etc.
And ransoms for terrorist-kidnap victims. I can’t for that thread!
How long before the Republic of Texas returns?
So Harry Reid is on the same ignorance train with Obama. Commenting, “The United States is the only advanced country where this type of mass violence occurs,”
As I pointed out on several thread…THAT IS A FUCKING LIE AND HE AND OBAMA KNOW IT!
I pointed to several other nations who have had far worse death tolls in mass killing incidents. Did they use guns? Some, others used bombs or even knives (China). Did the method of their demise make one iota of difference to the dead or their families…hell no.
Jonn is correct. This is how liberals work. They enrapture the ignorant (often college educated) masses who have an attention span less than a gold fish and whip them into a frenzy of fear. Ask any of these fools, “Do you think our government should do more to protect you from gun violence by passing more and better gun control laws?” Each will pause and they finish their text or Instagram update and say, “Uh…yea, sounds good to me. Guns scare me.” “So you would want the government to keep complete control of guns to protect you?” “Well, of course, I don’t want to be at a movie or a mosh pit and have some nutty person shoot me!” “So, will you sign our petition for better gun control laws?” “Sure, absolutely!” Even though they haven’t read the petition and what it says is, “We, the signers of this Petition, want ALL guns in the United States, except for those held by the military and law enforcement, to be seized and held by local authorities. Only to be checked out by the legally licensed owner with valid proof they are going to a licensed range for practice or hunting, with a valid hunting license.” “The ignorant, uninformed and unwilling to become informed masses…will be with us always.” To borrow from a different book.
Amazing, isn’t it, Sparks. Nobody saw Øbama’s hand shoved up Harry’s ass, making his mouth move, while Harry said the same words Øbama said.
“How “meaningful training” will stop criminals, I have no idea, unless they take time out of their crime sprees to punch that ticket.”
It’s so the murderers take more innocent lives through greater accuracy.
They’re well protected, so they don’t give a shit. The commoners be damned. Isn’t that stale fart suppose to retire anyway?
Here’s the fun part of this story.
It appears that there are a million or so new felons in the state of New York for not registering their firearms with the state like they were supposed to.
99% of the people that own guns there didn’t follow the law.
So we now see how people react when their Constitutional rights are threatened by gun (read people) controllers.
And they want this on a federal level?
http://www.gunssavelife.com/?p=17242
So, as responsible gun owners, let’s band together and demand before any new legislation that we fix the system that we have, instead of getting frustrated, throwing our hands up in the air and saying “F’ it, it’s too hard/unlikely.” What’s the old hippie phrase? Be the change you want to see in the world? What would happen if the NRA came out tomorrow and DEMANDED that we follow the gun control laws we already have?
Too late. They already have. Old news. The NRA is your stalking horse for ‘bad gun manufacturers’ – or something. Turns out, the gun manufacturers have their own organization. The NRA is mostly funded by individuals like me. So the NRA is really a whole bunch of individual voters. BTW, I don’t care what Wayne says so you can break that arrow over your knee. You don’t have to like it but it is true.
Yeah, the problem is that the other side doesn’t care that the system is broken- at least one has gone on record as saying that is they could have gotten the votes, the Clinton “Assault Rifle” Ban would have been “turn in all your guns, America”. Forgive me if I have no faith in any “compromise” with them ending with us losing more rights, and them getting everything they want- again
The US is not the number 1 in murders. Bill whittle has it again.
Thank you ohio.
I’m SO disappointed that Chicago did not make the Top 10 in the cities murder list.
I guess them there gangbangers need more practice. Need to stop the ‘spray and pray’ thing. Out of 19 people shot on the South Side over the weekend, only 3 died. 6 other people were shot on Tuesday, but none of them died. Chicago, get your act together, willya?!?
(If you can’t tell, that was sarcasm, but the stats are correct.)
Well, Reid needs to go to Honduras. When I was there that country was on a murdering spree. Made Chicago seem like Disneyland.
Get ready for the 2015 DO SOMETHING!!! bill to be introduced…
In this case, it works for the Democrats to merge law abiding gun owners with criminal gun users. They stand up and say, “if we have ‘background checks’ then criminals won’t have access to guns”. If all gun owners were criminals and if there was a way to actually force that law to work then he might have a point but both are wrong. For example, let’s assume that 95% of gun owners are law abiding and 5% are criminals. Now we pass this ‘background check’ law. Law enforcement won’t add any new data and the mental health guys won’t add any new data – their staffing levels and time available to do this has not changed and HIPPA is still the same. The 95% will grumble but most will comply — they already comply but never mind. The number of guns sold at dealers stays constant – no change in background checks. The number of guns sold by dealers at gun shows stays constant – no change in background checks. The number of guns sold at shows not by dealers is small and in most cases the individual has a dealer do a background check anyway so no change here. There is an increase for guns that change hands between family members but with almost no rejects – most people are law-abiding. The checks that might fail won’t be made. There is no way to enforce this provision so where it will fail it won’t be followed. The 5% won’t comply because they cannot – they would be denied and that would prevent them from having a weapon and that is bad for them. So, situation, we have a new law. There is a small increase in the number of background checks almost all for law abiding people within families. There is no change in the crime rate because the regulations only apply to people who actually follow them. The new law does not – nay cannot – do anything, it is a waste of time to even discuss it. Except! Except it lets the Democrats lump gun owners… Read more »
The only “common-sense gun control” that really exists is using both hands…
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I believe that proper gun control is very important. You should always be in complete and proper control of your gun.
As I used to teach a long time ago:
Shooting is a lot like real estate; one of the most important things is: Location, Location, and Location.
““The United States is the only advanced country where this type of mass violence occurs,” Reid said from the Senate floor.”
He has lot’s of practice lying in the Well where it’s protected speech.
Does Harry Reid = hairy reed? Easily disturbed by small things? Blowing with the wind? Only a skeleton in the long dark winter? Big garish flowers that spread bad seeds everywhere?
“What new legislation, Harry? Just saying the words is meaningless. It’s no more than pandering to the masses, the masses of ignorant morons who, for some reason, think that there are no background checks currently.”
I agree and I believe the “M” in Masses is silent.