Daryl Steven Morgan; phony Vietnam Spec Ops
So we have this guy, Daryl Steven Morgan who has been teaching woodworking at Evergreen State College for 14 years. A few years ago, he began leading a class to help veterans succeed in college.
For some reason, he thought it would be a good idea to pump up his personal history in the school’s catalog;
Morgan’s biography in Evergreen’s last two evening and weekend course catalogs says that he received a Silver Star, Bronze Star, two Purple Hearts and four Air Medals. The biography appears in materials that promote offerings for veterans at the college. Morgan wrote his own biography, Lipman said.
Morgan has told peers and students that he served in Special Operations units in Southeast Asia.
Of course, that’s not true;
It looks to me like his rating was a Cryptologic Technician Networks, but I’m generally wrong about that Navy rank stuff. So, blame Google if I’m wrong.
According to the Olympian, he has stepped down from teaching and the school is debating whether or not to discipline him. This stuff is getting depressing.
Category: Phony soldiers
http://www.nationalvietnamveteransfoundation.org/statistics.htm
The salient takeaway from the above website is this –
“INTERESTING CENSUS STATISTICS & THOSE TO CLAIM TO HAVE “Been There”:
1,713,823 of those who served in Vietnam were still alive as of August,1995 (census figures).
During that same Census count, the number of Americans falsely claiming to have served in-country was: 9,492,958.
As of the current Census taken during August, 2000, the surviving U.S. Vietnam Veteran population estimate is: 1,002,511. This is hard to believe, losing nearly 711,000 between ’95 and ’00. That’s 390 per day.
During this Census count, the number of Americans falsely claiming to have served in-country is: 13,853,027. By this census, FOUR OUT OF FIVE WHO CLAIM TO BE Vietnam vets are not.”
Think about that the next time you see some 3 toothed idiot at Walmart wearing a “Vietnam Veteran” hat.
Of the 13,853,027 hard chargers that claim to have served there, I wonder how many are collecting a veteran benefit in some manner.
OK so corecct me if I’m wrong but is *SOMEONE* drinking the Kool Aid a bit here….
I thought that missions were calssified and not awareds.
Liza Rognas said:
Mike Dover think about how many Vietnam/ Korea/Dessert Storm etc Vets walked away from their medals and their service record because they didn’t WANT their CLASSIFIED awards to be documented and so never took steps to be sure their DD 214 was updated! Those who were awarded citations/medals for classified and still classified actions may still wear them and claim them even if they chose not to update their DD 214. No FOIA request materials would include those awards or records that are still currently classified under various Security policies. The DD 214s do NOT record activities and/or awards that were/are still considered classified. Many records of those who performed MI and covert actions in Vietnam are still classified, and so are their awards. Check-out the National Archives & Records Administration FAQs about this and also Stars & Stripes. Much of the covert/MI records pertaining to individual actors in Vietnam-to-date remains classified and exempt under FOIA request policies. The DD214 is on-the-books reporting. There’s a second set of books that may, someday, update the DD214s, but only if doing so will not compromise National Security.
How many folks walked away from their awards and service and didn’t want to be recognized for their accomplishments? Maybe she was talking about John Kerry who threw his medals over the White House fence?? (not).
I’ve never heard of a classified award, but then again I was a super ninja death squad spymaster.
This guy is nothing more than a DIPSHIT.
Correction: wasn’t a super ninja death squad spymaster.
…It’s my understanding – and I will cheerfully admit to error – that ALL decorations/awards are public record, but that the actual citations can be classified (I’m pretty sure at least one US sub during the cold war got a PUC like that) and only in the case of the CIA are awardees themselves classified, and then only for CIA specific awards. Like I said, I could be wrong.
Mike
You are correct, NSA also classifies out of the wire and SF operations and awards.
NSU State Department (Naval Support Unit) gave classified citations that are not listed anywhere on my DD214 or FOIA. They were kept classified for ten years. Now I can tell my grandkids about the time I did that thing that I really didn’t do because it’s not public record.
An award citation can be classified for a variety of reasons. A number of years ago, AF Times was doing an article on the number of Bronze Stars being awarded in the Air Force for Balkan/Kosovo/pre-911 stuff. they made a FOIA to USAFE for all the relevant award citations, including the one awarded to the pilot of the F-117 who got shot down. His name up until that point had never been released for his own safety and was classified. Oops – cat out of the bag…
But, I think that just because the citation is classified is not a reason for leaving the medal off an individual’s DD-214.
Correct. DD-214s should reflect medals awarded, even if the citations are classified.
To clarify my first post; I know some citations can be classified, but I don’t think the fact that the individual has received the award is.
That is not completely wrong. There are those who served in operations that are not documented on their DD214. Even an SF180 will not contain that particular information.
Record entries for classified assignments are documented with after the fact transfers to and from nowhere. Dates with no description are all that appear. The service record is not classified nor are any entries blacked out.
Medals or awards during that operation are terminated in process. Most things become declassified after a period of time but some never are. I would love to read a citation for those awards. “We believe so and so displayed exceptional valor by doing something on or about this general time frame”.
The only way to determine if that classified operation ever happened would be getting any orders that have been declassified, disbursing records for that time period, declassified communications, and the personal testimony of witnesses if there are any. None of that information is contained in their service records.
There is no second set of records. Even as information becomes declassified, there is no attempt to update the individuals records.
My cautionary warning here is; just because we make fun of secret squirrels all the time does not mean there aren’t any.
I know of entire units whose activities have been washed from the records. Read the official log book for the USS Nassau for Feb – Sep 1984. Try the same thing for the USS Ponce or the Saginaw. Then talk to the Marines and Sailors that served aboard them. The two stories are dramatically different.
I thought if a award was classified then there is a declassified citation written so it can be awarded?
There are cases where that is true. If an action has never been recognized there would be no event to give an award for. I will give you an example. Find a LCpl Moore, USS Nassau that engaged ‘floating debris’ moving at about 40 knots. That event never officially happened although hundreds of us witnessed it. How about the choppers with ‘hydroloic problems’, thats what the log says. Every member of the fight decks will tell you those problems were caused by little round holes in the bird. Where is their CAR, Purple Heart, Bronze Star, or what ever. They do not exist because that never happened. I know a bunch of these people. I is one.
And I bet you weren’t no E-3 fucktard when you got out either Dave…this little turd isn’t your kind of guy. He’s the other kind of guy…the liar kind.
Its not that I didnt try. I think they were running short on page 12’s. I didnt mean to come across like I was defending this idiot in any way. I stand corrected if it seemed that way.
Oh god! Looks like Liza’s another candidate for the Short Bus! Her head is so far up her ass that she needs a plexiglass bellybutton to see out!
BULLSHIT:
Awards are given, sometimes the citation is redacted for a few years, but sealed and classified for ever … that is general BS!
I know of three GWOT NC that were redacted for several years … they are wide open now!
They were redacted to protect!
Loser.
CTOSN means he was a Crypto Tech (Operator) Seaman. He got out as an E-3.
Looking at his awards and assignments, he probably sat off the coast of Vietnam and intercepted comms from the North. Nothing wrong with that, but certainly not worthy of all he claims.
And Evergreen State College. Isn’t that the alma mater of St. Pancake?
It kind of surprises me that this guy hung out at Evergreen state for fourteen years. Back in my era this school was known as the most liberal and left leaning university in the region. Most vets from that era would not even consider enrolling there. Let alone teaching there. Back in the day, I don’t think a vet would have stood a chance of being hired to teach at Evergreen.
Just sayin
Bingo. No one in my crowd ever wanted to be a “Greener.” I highly doubt they have many vets there right now even. Unless they are of the IVAW type…
Hey!!!!
I take offense to that!
Some Vets are Green!
And I ain’t IVAW.
IVAW = Losers.
Evergreen State College is a fucking embarrasment to the entire state. One of the old county sheriff’s from Thurston County told me that he refused to even go out to visit the communist, anarchist shithole breeding grounds. I am surprised that Evergreen would want to hire a Veteran unless they were members of some peace group.
It varies. The school overall is definitely WAY left-leaning to a degree which makes me feel nauseous, but there are a number of vets and general folks who don’t agree with the politics who attend. Certain of the programs all but guarantee you’ll be able to get a gov’t job after graduation (their internship tracks with state programs are really solid in certain areas), and for a number of people, it’s a proximity issue – being able to get the credits you want or need without driving an extra hour to get up to Seattle or down to Portland. I know vets who attend and just stay very quiet about their politics and count the days (and credits) until they can move on to do grad school through WSU or wherever.
That said, it is ridiculously thick with the attempts to propagate more generations of blinkers-on non-analytical thinkers – in the liberal arts side. The sciences side of the school is touched by some of the PC nonsense but is much more workmanlike.
That was my first reaction too. Can’t believe any vets outside of the IVAW crowd would ever set foot in that Commie breeding ground.
I hate it when one of mine does something like this.
He was a Cryptologic Technician (Operations) communicator. He graduated his initial training in Apr 1968 and transferred to the USS JAMESTOWN, which was a listening post ship conducting SIGINT. Period. It didn’t do “covert ops” or anything of the sort. It most certainly provided “support” to covert ops by way of it’s SIGINT role, but that’s it.
Although, the crew was able to go ashore in An Thoi BEFORE he got there http://www.navycthistory.com/jamestowndembowski01.html.
Yep, looks pretty covert to me.
I love it when they dont think about people like you being around. Great post. Semper Fi.
Freakin’ Greeners.
He was a spook Crypto Operator Seaman = E3!
He saw stuff on equipment and heard stuff with headphones that he can never talk about!
Kinda link SPEC BLACK OPS … so Silver Star, Bronze Star, Purples Hearts and Air Medals are certainly authorized!
He is totally LEGIT!
Phony CTM Mayor John Spodofora ia seeking re-election!
Yeah, well, some of us saw and heard stuff we don’t WANT to talk about, because it’s too boring for words.
What a Santorum-sniffing snotweasel of a dingleberry-brained unicorn-lusting fart muffin, were his Momma and Daddy still brother and sister after their divorce?
NUKE THE HIPPIES!!!
Yup, he was in “special operations”…just like a radar operator back at the airbase was a “fighter pilot”; it all makes sense to me…
I have a superior investigation computer network in my room. It’s like a Brigade Tactical Operations Center/Joint Operations Center. It gives me good results. I checked this guy’s records and it’s legit. It’s classified though, so I won’t post anything here.
Now, if this system could help me find another woman that I could attempt to physically abuse, I’d be happy as a blobfish.
Cheese,
Dennis (Denny) Howard Chevalier
I’m still trying to figure out how an E-3 Crypto Communicator on a ship could be awarded Air Medals.
Were they awarded for:
Frequent “flights of fancy”?
“Flying off the handle” when the ice cream machine broke down?
Repetitive trips up or down a “flight” of stairs?
Taking the phrase literally when told to go take a “flying” fuck at a rolling doughnut?
Being an “airhead”?
But mostly they were awarded as a figment of his imagination.
Don’t joke about the soft serve machine going tits up. That’s when shit gets real.
We may or may not have had CT “riders” on some P-3 flights I was on during the Cold War. If they were even there, they may have been pretty senior NCO’s, and might have had either an “I” or an “R” after the CT part. And some cool toys.
If it ever happened, that is….
😉
I can neither confirm nor dent the presence of nuclear weapons onboard the USS Hepburn … However I can say this, we got some stuff that can make a huge boom and a pretty mushroom cloud!
…. deny
Probably better not to dent them, either – I don’t know, all my knowledge of nuclear weaponry comes from Heinlein juveniles, so maybe you can go ahead and dent ’em, too!
Pay no attention to the armed Marines guarding the P-3 Weapons Load Team. Nothing to see here citizen, move along.
What squadron were you in? I was in VP-9 at Moffett ’83-’86.
VP-49 in Jax early 80’s and VP-23 in Brunswick, 89-93.
My cat can do the same thing in the cat box, you know. It’s completely lethal within 10 feet, so be aware.
I’m assuming you flew on EP-3’s ?
Not the EP, or the “Special” P-3s. These were some riders from the spook shed who would plug in some ELINT gear into our vanilla P-3 and do some collections while we were flying our usual missions.
Or that’s what I read in the book…
You can only guess who gave him his speaking points???
What is up with all these Navy guys claiming they were “in” Vietnam???
Big Steve…….look up Navy Seawolves, the only Navy assault helicopter outfit in Vietnam! While with the Air Cav I shared a flight line with them out of Phu Loi. Flat out balls to the wall! We flew Huey UH1H models. They flew our worn out B models. Literally, hand me downs. They were the real deal!
Sea Wolves supported NSW OPS, Navy search and rescue, brown water fleet and variety of other missions. They were in the shitz … Look up NC citation for pilot who saved ….
Big Steve Have you forgotten John F’ing Kerry? /s
You guys left ou the river rats, you know. And let’s remember the SeaBees were there, in-country, too.
And for that matter, where do you think the Marines got their combat cameramen?
Jesus, don’t forget about the freaking doc’s!!
I admire his Navy service, as well as his woodworking skills.
But his military service embellishment was the act of a total knob.
Since he was a CT type, I’ll bet he was on the nerd side. Even a geek. Maybe even a…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkB_CFi9row
Pencil Neck Geek!
So if he decides to “Bernath” on us it’ll be his attempt at “Revenge of the Nerd”! 😀
He probably won’t. He seems to be handling this as far as I can tell by sob-storying some more to his students (past and almost-current) about how he’s being forced to resign.
There are a small but loud number of students (some claiming to be vets, some not) loudly protesting his treatment to the administration, and saying how his life is in ruins and it’s all because he’s being scapegoated. Not sure if this is something he’s told them, or they’ve come up with on their own (both seem possible); it seems Morgan’s told them there’s nothing they can do, he ‘has’ to step down.
That sounds like that Detroit teacher that we busted a few years ago – his students still complain that we busted him. Do they know what the word “student” means?
It’s debatable. Some of them I can feel some compassion for – it’s easy to forget how young and dumb and gullible some of these kids can be, at that age and level of life experience. Others, well…
The basic fact is they want to believe it. They want him to be wronged, a victim, both to justify their having believed in him in the first place and to fuel their rejection of the school administration as ‘authority’. Time for the kids to grow up.
It’s sad, really, but the onus has to go on to Morgan for lying to them in the first place.
“The DD 214s do NOT record activities and/or awards that were/are still considered classified. Many records of those who performed MI and covert actions in Vietnam are still classified, and so are their awards.”
Can’t remember who, what where when but the only time I’ve heard of this was a Korean Veteran who was captured and whose award for valor and the description of his valor in combat was kept secret so that, while a prisoner, there would be no reprisal.
Correct. That was CPL Hiroshi H. Miyamura.
As far as I know, CPL Miyamura is still living today.
I know of one group that that existed in Austria from 1945 until the early 50s.
They filled the gap left by the OSS and Before the CIA.
They did some interesting shit.
I have an idea. All these knobs who invent stories about their non-existent derring-do want attention for doing something that get awards, right?
Okay. Let’s round ’em up, show them how to use lethal weapons properly, give them water, food, shelter and clothing, and drop them off at a convenient FOB some place in the Middle East. Offer a tax-exempt cash prize to whoever survives any combat events. Give them a year, then go evac the survivors. They can have a special medal issued, too, the Special Mideast Award for Combat Kickass (SMACK).
And they’re allowed to take all the pictures they want as proof they done been there, done did that.