Two NYPD cops murdered for revenge
The New York Daily News reports that after posting a message about “putting wings on pigs” on Instagram, Ismaaiyl Brinsley walked out of his apartment building and opened up on a pair of NYPD police officers who were sitting in their patrol car. Brinsley then ran down into the Myrtle-Willoughby Aves. subway station and shot himself in the head;
Brinsley is believed to be a member of a Baltimore gang, Black [Guerrilla] Family, sources said. The gang has vowed retribution for the deaths of [Eric] Garner and [Michael] Brown.
According to the Daily News, Brinsley was wanted for questioning in the shooting of his girlfriend in Baltimore a few hours before he murdered the police officers. Al Sharpton said;
“I have spoken to the Garner family and we are outraged by the early reports of the police killed in Brooklyn today,” said the Rev. Al Sharpton in a statement Saturday evening. “Any use of the names of Eric Garner and Michael Brown, in connection with any violence or killing of police, is reprehensible and against the pursuit of justice in both cases.
The two murdered officers’ names haven’t been released yet.
Category: Crime
Scumbag!!!!!!!
Makes me wish I was still working.
Goddamn coward!
Low life!
Skell!!
How ironic that the President of the NYPD PBA, Pat Lynch announced this past week that the commie mayor of NYC would not be invited to police officer funerals.
How sad!
May this cocksucker be assraped in hell.
As for Sharpton, what the hell did he expect? This is exactly the kind of shit that he and his race-baiting ilk have been agitating for for months now! Never mind the inherent stupidity of taking “revenge” on guys who were three time zones away and thoroughly unconnected to the event he claims to be “avenging.” Never mind the inherent stupidity of this whole sad affair.
As pro-life as I am, I still say fuck his mom for not taking a coat hanger to this little shitstain before he inflicted himself on the world.
This POS didn’t have the balls to fight it out with responding police officers….he took the cowards way out and reportedly shot himself in the head.
Scumbag!
Too bad he didn’t take that step before he walked out his front door.
Rest in peace, brothers.
I probably don’t really have to tell anybody on this blog who’s a cop, but stay aware. It’s so easy to lose the bubble.
When I was a rookie, I found out quickly how easy it was to lose situational awareness. Once or twice people snuck up on me in my squad. After it happened twice, I made sure I scanned all my mirrors often. Lucky for me, I didn’t get the ultimate lesson like these cops did.
Stay safe!
Mustang………YOU STAY SAFE. I did my time and retired – been carrying a nice .380 on my ankle for years….no more! Now it’s time for my Glock 23 (.40 S&W).
Thanks LIRight. I don’t want to mislead. I left Honolulu Police a few years back. Still miss it but not sure I’d want to be on the street these days.
Worried about my former beat partners though. You just never know when some kook will come out of the shadows.
That’s why I always found an empty parking lot, and parked in the middle of it. And, always scanned the mirrors.
Rest in Peace, officers. Rot in hell, Brinsley.
With my gun on my lap!
I missed a guy one time on a felony car stop. That was over 20 years ago and I still have nightmares about it. RIP
I’m am saddened by this, what the hell is happening to this country. I am afraid it will get a lot worse before it gets better. There is a huge leadership deficit in our Justice Department and White House.
That will change. Nothing is forever, you know.
“I have spoken to the Garner family and we are outraged by the early reports of the police killed in Brooklyn today,” said the Rev. Al Sharpton in a statement Saturday evening. “Any use of the names of Eric Garner and Michael Brown, in connection with any violence or killing of police, is reprehensible and against the pursuit of justice in both cases.
Then as big, greasy Al turned from the mics he said, “Now where my money coming from in all this? We don’t want to have to turn this into a racial thing, so I better gets paid!”
And, Al? You don’t get to make a statement and walk away, you piece of shit. You and Jesse and Holder and Obama are complicit in this, and you know it.
I hope that the officers had signed the Do Not Attend statement that the union wanted them to sign, to keep de Blasio away from their funerals.
UpNorth…Thank you and it’s the truth! Al, Jesse, Obama and Holder are responsible for the murdering crap like this and more of it to come. For years every crime and every defense will be the “It was for Eric and Michael” racial trump card and Al and his filthy ilk will be right there in the courts and outside at the mics stumping that line as hard as they can go.
Anyone else notice how they spelled “Gorilla” in the BGF? Which started as prison gang in the 70s at the “Q” (San Quentin) if my fading memory serves me correctly.
Yeah, the Black Panthers weren’t violent enough for these remnants from a used rubber, so they formed the BGF in San Quentin.
Wow, maybe its just me, but the gang-name Black Gorilla Family is really really racist…
@GruntSgt:
Correct. The BGF isn’t a “Baltimore” gang. It’s national in reach and scope.
It is the black version of the Aryan Brotherhood.
Get ready for an absurd rap sheet indicating this scum shouldn’t have even been on the streets.
Thanks race extortionists. May you burn in hell.
Unfreaking real… gang banging thug who had killed his girlfriend then brags he is going to kill cops, and fuck ears were cheering him on. Comments I am seeing online prove to me that Obama and Holders race baiting has taken hold big time. Some from a guy I work with at the VA. Should make work a whole lot more interesting… already had it out with him once about his White people” comments.
I have family who are in law enforcement, and all the attacking of cops in the media, and protests are pissing me off.
This doesn’t change the fact that the guy was scum, but according to the linked NY Daily News article and the Baltimore Sun, the girlfriend was shot but is expected to survive.
May the officers rest easy. As for you Al Sharpton, may you rot in hell you worthless fuck piece of sub-human garbage. If you were on fire I wouldn’t even piss on you. You have blood on your hands. Fuck your apology and fuck your entire organization of race hustlers.
When Rev(?) Al Sharpton’s time comes, he needs to spend eternity in hell permanently handcuffed to Helen Thomas, Jame Fonda, and my ex-wife!!
I think Hell would have a tough time figuring out what Circle Al would belong to. I would lean towards Simonists, but the Schismatics and Heretics would be a good spot.
Well, the 8th Circle (Fraud) comes to mind for me. Though which of the Bolgia there would be apropos for Sharpton is indeed a good question. For Sharpton and his ilk, a number of the 8th Circle’s Bolgia seem applicable.
Witch circle of Hell did Dante find Mohammad in? Its a good place for all of them.
DeBlasio needs to be REAL fucking careful now. When his own police turn their backs on him, he’s making Dinkins look hard core.
Problem is, by sidling up to the other side of the argument, he’s preventing himself from being a target. So, he’ll never be one, only his cops will be.
He has his own personal police force. He doesn’t give two shits. The cops that protect him should be ashamed.
Disagree with you on that. It’s no different from the Secret Service having to protect Obama. DiBlasio is a repugnant individual, but those cops still have a job to do. If they turn their backs and let him or his family get hurt, it would be an even worse stain on NYPD.
Agreed. But nothing prevents those on his protective detail from requesting reassignment to other duties, either.
Fair enough. And we don’t know whether or not they are doing just that.
We saw this coming … As it was invited by so called leaders!
Amen to that!!
Yep! Watch ’em disappear back into the woodwork next..
The two cops would still be alive if we didn’t allow people to have handguns and other weapons.
(And for the “sarcastically impaired,” that was sarcasm.)
Considering that this thug went and shot his girlfriend before he went cop-hunting, and the two cops he killed were Latino and Chinese, I’d have to say that the thug was looking to start a war on cops.
Unfortunately, he missed the boat on that because he shot himself before a cop could do so. My guess is that he wanted to go down as a ‘victim’ of the police and failed. All he did was make people wonder what the hell was wrong with him.
So he’s nothing but a thug. I feel sorry for his ex-girlfriend. The article I read did not say he killed her.
But, yes, he did the police in New York and other large cities a favor by alerting them to their vulnerability if they aren’t paying attention to their surroundings, and subsequently by not letting them shoot him.
What an asshole.
F&ck this asshole. This shit is getting out of control, I have words but I fear they will fall on deaf ears.
Rest in Peace Officers. Their blood is on Mayor De Blasio’s hands. He has to go, and he needs to take Sharpton with him.
Their blood is on Mayor De Blasio’s hands.
Bull.
DeBlasio did not pull the trigger. Some other butt wipe did.
De Blasio did not shoot his girlfriend, drive 4 hours and shoot two cops. Some other person did.
I am so sick and friggin’ tired of people trying to blame their actions on others.
People need to grow up and accept responsibility for what they do.
No, DeBlasio didn’t pull the trigger. But his past statements and other actions implied he felt the NYPD (1) acted improperly in the Garner case, and (2) he did not support the NYPD in general. When passions are inflamed, often such public encouragement – even if unintentional – is all it takes to “set off” a nutjob or low-life bent on violence. Public figures like the mayor of NYC certainly know that.
DeBlasio doesn’t get the lion’s share of the blame; that goes to the low-life bastard who committed the murder. But DeBlasio’s not blameless, either. He played a part in encouraging the bastard to go to NYC and pull the trigger.
Because of that, yes: DeBlasio has blood on his hands. It may be only a drop or two from splatter at a distance – but it’s there nonetheless.
@Hondo
Classic and classy reply to the “carver.”
Spot on Hondo!
Hondo, I understand your sentiment. I really do. If there is blame and a few drops of blood on DeBlasio’s hands, then there is also blood on the hands of some police. In Baltimore, where this low life started, from 2010 – 2012 the City paid over $5 million dollars in lawsuits for police misconduct and abuse. (2012 is the last year complete data is available.) None of the cases had charges filed against the victims of the abuse. The Police Chief has said people should support the police in all cases. He and the police unions are looking to reduce the rolls of citizen review boards for incidents as they don’t want people to interview officers and those involved in incidents to be on public record. The Chief and the police are actively fighting any implementation of dash cams and body cams which, while not being a cure all, most agree will protect both cops and citizens. If DeBlasio’s words inflamed passions, then so do the words of the police commanders and union leaders who repeatedly say “nothing to see here, move along.” Somewhat closer to New York, perhaps the actions of Officer Krug in Buffalo, NY beating a man’s head with his night stick (against policy) might lead add to violence against police. ( http://www.wkbw.com/news/buffalo-police-officer-suspended-for-beating-man ) Perhaps the actions of an officer who beat a fare jumper in New York (once again against policy) added fuel to the fire: http://pix11.com/2014/11/21/caught-on-camera-nypd-officer-cracks-alleged-fare-beater-in-head-with-nightstick/ Perhaps the actions of State Cop in New York who warned a friend of his of an impending drug raid while tampering with evidence has people wondering why cops protect their own, but not people in general. ( http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Troy-cop-indicted-in-drug-dealer-tip-off-case-5909079.php ) Perhaps the actions and beliefs of now convicted NYC Officer Jose Ramos added to this mess. Ramos was convicted on drug charges, fixing tickets and other charges. Most telling is this: [Ramos] was convicted in October of attempted robbery and drug possession, prosecutors saying Ramos agreed to take $10,000 to transport what he thought was heroin. In a damning video, part of an undercover sting, Ramos, in full… Read more »
Excellent perspective Gitarcarver!
No argument that there are dirty cops out there, gitarcarver. But that’s a different discussion entirely – and it’s one that is completely irrelevant to a discussion of whether or not DeBlasio’s ill-advised public statements in some way encouraged the murder of two NYC cops.
Both words and actions matter. But certain words – coming from certain people – matter more than words from others. There’s a reason that “inciting a riot” remains a crime – even if the one who’s inciting the riot doesn’t directly participate.
The above is especially true when you’re talking about, a governor, a President – or community leaders like, oh, the mayor of NYC. Their public statements matter far more than most people’s words. They’re recognized leaders; people tend to follow them.
DeBlasio’s statements undercutting the police were made willfully. He all but told certain elements he sided with them and not with the police. He did this irrespective of the fact that a grand jury considering the Garner incident said there was no evidence of a crime.
Indeed, given a grand jury’s laughably low standard for returning an indictment (generally, the standard is “a crime could maybe have been committed”), the fact that they chose to not to return any indictments is pretty telling. Prosecutors can often get an indictment on essentially no evidence from a grand jury.
DeBlasio is a politician. He knows how his rhetoric is/will be received by many elements of his constituency. Ergo, he either knew precisely what he was doing and did so willingly, or he’s a freaking IDIOT literally too stupid to walk and chew gum simultaneously.
I rather doubt the latter is the case. That means he’s morally culpable here to some extent.
Hondo, I am really having trouble following your thought process here. The words of DeBlasio are broadcast on the same networks, printed in the same papers and seen on internet website as much as the misconduct and illegal activities of the police. To say that the general public latched onto the words of DeBlasio and simply ignored reported misconduct and illegal conduct of the police stretches the imagination to the breaking point. I would also argue that Joe Smith on the street is more likely to have an interaction with the police than with DeBlasio. Who is more likely to affect the average citizen’s life and perception of the police when if comes to law enforcement? Actual police officers or a mayor. In other words, “who are you going to believe? Him or your lying eyes?” Your claim that there was no evidence of a crime doesn’t fit the facts. The coroner said Garner’s death was a homicide – a death attributable to another human being. We don’t know how hard the prosecutor pressed in the Grand Jury. There is also the problem that the coroner stated the hold and the compression of Garner’s chest led to the exacerbation of other medical issues. It would therefore be difficult to single out one officer for the death of Garner as you cannot draw a straight line between the hold and only to the hold to the death of Garner. One thing to consider in the Grand Jury is that the other officers at the scene were offered immunity from prosecution for their testimony. How many times have we heard from law enforcement “if you don’t have anything to hide and haven’t done anything wrong, you should talk to us?” If the other officers had nothing to hide and hadn’t done anything wrong, why not talk freely? The only answer is that they either knew they were in the wrong or they were behind the “blue wall.” Either reason makes them morally culpable for the death of Garner or rather the inability for someone to be held accountable for the death of… Read more »
Yep.
Um, gitarcarver . . . “homicide” does not universally equal “crime”. Ever hear of “justifiable homicide” or “death by misadventure”? Above, you persist in using a common logical fallacy to cloud the issue here. That logical fallacy is a common invalid rhetorical technique having various names – among them, “non sequitur”, “red herring”, and “appeal to emotion”. In all variants, it consists of bringing up a point unrelated to the matter at hand to redirect discussion to a different subject. It’s very often used by the left. Here, we were discussing DeBlasio’s public statements and their possible effect on the low-life bastard who cold-bloodedly murdered two cops via ambush. Unless you’re claiming that these two cops were involved in police misconduct in one of the cases you’ve mentioned, any discussion of unrelated police misconduct is irrelevant to the issue at hand. Moreover, it is hypocritical to on one hand say that DeBlasio cannot be held responsible for the actions inspired by his statements, while at the same time using misconduct on the part of police other than these two murdered cops as part of your argument that DeBlasio bears no responsibility for their actions. If DeBlasio’s public statements in this case are irrelevant, then any misconduct by other cops in unrelated cases are logically similarly irrelevant. However, you have based your argument above on the premise that unrelated misconduct is relevant; ergo, by your own logic, so are DeBlasio’s statements. You can’t have it both ways. Further, focusing on police misconduct – as you have been in your arguments above – implies that misconduct on the part of other police in other, unrelated cases somehow justifies or mitigates this thug shooter’s actions. You may believe that. I do not, and never will. Explain his motiviation? Maybe. Justify or mitigate? No. The original discussion above is not about unrelated police misconduct; that is a different issue entirely, which you keep bringing up. The issue being discussed above is whether or not DeBlasio’s intemperate public statements make him partially morally culpable in these officer’s murders – morally, not legally. If you wish… Read more »
I agree with Lynch, especially the latter part of his quote:
“There’s blood on many hands tonight — those that incited violence on the street under the guise of protests, that tried to tear down what New York City police officers did every day,” the head of the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association, Patrick Lynch, said outside Woodhull Hospital. He added, “That blood on the hands starts on the steps of City Hall, in the office of the mayor.”
DeBlasio, Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Holder, and Mr. Obama are political animals. Their statements are made for political effect – that is, to retain the power and influence they have, get more if they can, and reduce the power and influence of their opponents. There is no other reason to make a statement.
DeBlasio spoke to denigrate his conservative opponents and acquire more support in the liberal-leaning communities. Two black men died while being arrested. Our filthy five (DeBlasio, etc) spoke against Police (“law and order”) and in support of “oppressed” communities. That speech increases their political influence and supporter count in the liberal community and attacks and shames their “law and order” opponents thus diminishing their power and influence.
If you belonged to a community and political leaders spoke in support of something you believe in, you might feel empowered. In this specific instance, was the shooter influenced by the supporting statements from the filthy five? I do not know and since he homogenized and rearranged his brain, I do not get to find out for sure but I think that he was influenced by those supporting statements.
In my opinion those people are partly responsible for the deaths of the police officers.
Are they pleased that two police officers died? I would say yes. Those deaths are a price that had to be paid to preserve liberal control of a great city and liberal influence across the whole country – “sorry guys but we just cannot allow the conservatives to take over, the November elections proved that. Probably more people will have to die in order to prove that the conservatives cannot lead. Keep agitating!” <– BTW, does anyone recognize this tune?
Will the community at large regret what happened and hold the filthy five responsible for their "community leader" statements? In my opinion that is a legitimate question.
I hold them responsible the deaths of two police officers and their general attack on the country.
I'm just a dickweed from Michigan, anybody else see it the same way?
The officers’ names are Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu, per the NYTimes: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/21/nyregion/two-police-officers-shot-in-their-patrol-car-in-brooklyn.html?
Many on the social media sewer celebrating. Unfortunately this sob is gonna get cult figure treatment…image emblazoned on Rolling Stone cover, t shirts, posters, etc…
“I have spoken to the Garner family and we are outraged by the early reports of the police killed in Brooklyn today,” said the Rev. Al Sharpton in a statement Saturday evening. “Any use of the names of Eric Garner and Michael Brown, in connection with any violence or killing of police, is reprehensible and against the pursuit of justice in both cases.
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Bullshit, Al, you and Jackson have blood on your hands in this. You have been running around to every microphone you can find to whip the black community up an this is a direct result of that. You did it for your own monetary and power gain. I didn’t hear you say a fucking thing against the protesters chanting “What do we want? Dead cops. When do we want it? Now.” So don’t come out now like you’re all upset about the murdr of 2 innocent officers. Obama, Holder, DeBlasio, etc. also, have blood on their hands in this.
Fuck you Sharpton.
Some reactions to the shootings; “We depend on our police to protect us against forces of criminality and evil. They are a foundation of our society, and when they are attacked, it is an attack on the very concept of decency.” — Mayor Bill de Blasio “The officers who serve and protect our communities risk their own safety for ours every single day — and they deserve our respect and gratitude every single day. Tonight, I ask people to reject violence and words that harm, and turn to words that heal — prayer, patient dialogue, and sympathy for the friends and family of the fallen.” — President Barack Obama “Our nation must always honor the valor — and the sacrifices — of all law enforcement officers with a steadfast commitment to keeping them safe. This means forging closer bonds between officers and the communities they serve.” — U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder “There is blood on many hands, from those that incited violence under the guise of protest to try to tear down what police officers do every day. That blood on the hands starts at the steps of City Hall, in the office of the mayor.” — Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association President Patrick Lynch “As we continue to investigate these senseless acts of violence against two of our city’s heroes, we pray for peace, support the men and women who bravely patrol our streets every day, and mourn for the loss of these two police officers who gave their lives to keep us safe.” — Brooklyn District Attorney Ken Thompson “These brave officers, along with the over 34,000 other uniformed men and women of the New York Police Department, put their lives on the line every day to keep our communities safe. They run toward danger when all of our instincts tell us to run away. — New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo “It is … time for elected officials to stand by the men and women of law enforcement and end the demeaning of police officers and grand juries.” — U.S. Rep. Peter King “We have stressed at every rally… Read more »
Yeah, that last comment is really a surprise, isn’t it?
Platitudes and politics. Politics and platitudes. They all say one thing and do another–or worse, as others have pointed out, they encourage and inflame the evildoers. I am so sorry for the families of the two officers, Ramos and Liu…
From the LA Times this morning:
“Two of New York’s finest were shot and killed with no warning, no provocation,” Police Commissioner William J. Bratton said. “They were quite simply assassinated—targeted for their uniform.”
So the thug went hunting for targets. In real hunting, the prey at least stands a chance of escaping.
In real hunting, shooting sitting ducks is not hunting. It’s the same thing as canned hunts.
These two police officers were sitting ducks.
It is my considered opinion that the thug (may his name forever be ‘the thug’) had no intention to do anything other than start a street gang war with the police. Still, he did the entire world a favor by removing himself from the gene pool. I hope his girlfriend and the families of the two cops sue the living S*&*%$T out of the unesteemed current mayor of NYC and maybe Al Sharpton, too.
To former and Gov. George Pataki for blaming New York City Bill de Blasio and Attorney General Eric Holder before naming officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos, I say, “fuck you!” you irrelevant hack. And “Fuck you!” to the PBA, for saying the “mayors [sic] hands are literally [sic] dripping with our blood” — before blaming the perp —that you will act as a “wartime” police department, and that not-so-subtle “Nice city you got here….” And really, talking about the 1970s? That’s the direction you want to take this? I hope you all come down with kidney-shingles. Fuck anyone blaming the execution on the failure to indict in the Garner case. Reasons are not causes and causes are not reasons. He shot a woman for fuck’s sake. And no, the Garner/Brown/Trayvon/Rice cases and this are nothing alike. Fuck anyone now arguing this proves/disproves the need for stricter gun control or blames budget cuts to, e.g., mental health services.Take your priors and reinsert them from whence they came. Fuck anyone anyone who worries how this will affect his or her grades. An omnibus “Fuck You!” to the commentariat (including, but not limited to): (1) Who point out that he Instagrammed a passage for the Koran. (2) Who argue that police work is less dangerous than being a garbageman or florist or whatever. (3) At (presumably) all of Infowars. No, you screed-mongering militant wannabes, it’s not a revolution. Literally, everyone hates you. I’d rather be ruled by the plenary whims of Bloomberg and the Detroit city counsel … for life. 4. At (presumably) all of PoliceOne. No, it’s not like Iraq. And really, you’re gonna quit? Fuck you. You’re fungible. Do your fucking job. You will never find another outside of teaching in which you can be so sub-mediocre and still get well-paid. Fuck you to Al Sharpton, Nancy Grace, etc. because *obvious.* Yes, there are serious issues. Yes, most of us say things assuming the consequences are that the individual snowflake in a blizzard. If far from perfect, law enforcement has generally improved by any measure over the past several decades… Read more »
Gee, I already said that, but with far less profanity and a good deal less anger roiling under the surface, waiting to erupt.
I said the shooter was nothing but a thug, who went hunting for victims starting with his girlfriend, found them and killed them.
I already made the same point without such vehemence.
So what point are you trying to make, sport?
I don’t know Ex, while I agree with what you wrote, I rather like the way he said it. 😉
Oh, I realize that there are times when we all need to vent about something, but most of the time it’s harmless bitching.
However, in this case, the point was lost in the F-bombs. Otherwise, it just seems like an angry rant to no real purpose. But that’s simply my viewpoint.
That said, no one in the public section, i.e., the general public/people in general seem to have any sympathy for the thug who did this. It was nothing but a senseless act, leaving two families with serious losses, and now there is another, similar event in Florida.
How is this different from the gangbangers who last year shot and killed an off-duty Chicago cop because they wanted his motorcycle and he said ‘No’?
How is this different from the street thugs who pulled up to a bus stop and shot a man with a large family at point blank range while he was waiting for the bus to go home from work?
How is this different from a gangbanger who shot and killed a 9-year-old boy in his own backyard, because he decided that the kid ‘knew too much’, simply because he saw the gangbanger?
Angry rants at braindead politicians won’t stop those things from happening, nor will blaming them for the stupid things they say.
That’s my point.
I just plagiarized the hell out of that.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/21/us-usa-florida-police-idUSKBN0JZ0LH20141221
Another cop shot in Florida by yet another of society’s non-producers.
For the old-timers who know what I’m referring too, if things don’t turn around pretty soon, Charles Manson may get his Helter Skelter after all…
Okay….I admit it. I’m an oldtimer!
Am trying to find something with which to disagree. Searching…
Nope. Can’t disagree.
Yep, been thinking almost the exact same thing myself. :\
He’s getting or is now married to some hippie chick one-third his age whom he has convinced he had nothing to do with Sharon Tate’s murder.
He may get Helter Skelter, but he will also get laid along the way.
Not so long as he is incarcerated.
As an inmate serving a life sentence in California, Chuck isn’t allowed conjugal visits.
Well now I feel old. Hell Manson just got married recently.
I live right outside of NYC.I can tell you things are not good not good at all I respect the police and always told my kids to respect them they have a hard job to do and they do it well.We are so sad here because of what this POS did .I have not fired a weapon sence I left Vietnam But It seems like its time to arm up. So sad