The Islamic State threat is overstated

| September 14, 2014

last convoy out of Iraq

The Washington Post publishes an opinion piece by Ramzi Mardini entitled “The Islamic State threat is overstated” which points out how the Obama Administration and much of the media is missing the fact that ISIS/ISIL/Islamic State is really just a few thousand well-armed murderous thugs and how we, in the West, shouldn’t get our collective panties in a twist over them, because the West has a history of misunderstanding the people we battle with in that region;

In his prime-time address Wednesday, President Obama said that U.S. airstrikes targeting militants in Iraq over the past month “have protected American personnel and facilities, killed [Islamic State] fighters, destroyed weapons, and given space for Iraqi and Kurdish forces to reclaim key territory. These strikes have also helped save the lives of thousands of innocent men, women and children.”

A more accurate assessment would be that U.S. military intervention has tremendous propaganda value for the Islamic State, helping it to rally other jihadists to its cause, possibly even Salafists who have so far rejected its legitimacy. Moreover, to the extent that the group poses any threat to the United States, that threat is magnified by a visible U.S. military role. Obama’s restraint in the use of military power in recent years has helped keep the Islamic State’s focus regional — on its efforts to establish an Islamic caliphate in the Middle East rather than on launching attacks against the United States. It’s only with the U.S. military’s return to Iraq and the prospect of U.S. intervention in Syria that the group’s focus has begun to shift.

Yeah, he goes on like that for a few hundred more words. From what I get from the piece is that if we wait long enough, they’ll peter themselves out and disappear from the face of the Earth with the help of the Iraqi, Iranian and Syrian governments. That we should just sit this one out. While I largely agree about what we “should do”, that isn’t in the cards.

First of all, Syria has been fighting ISIS along with Iranian support for years and the Iraqis are the forces they just beat to take Mosul. So, if we leave them to fight the war alone, it will be just another decade-long bloody struggle in the region which can’t do the region any good, nor will it come out good for us if we just sit back and cheer for one side.

Secondly, he misses the Big Point; that being that ISIS dissed President Obama. His withdrawal of troops from Iraq was one of his three major accomplishments and they’ve made it look like a bad idea. So, now they have to pay. It’s unfortunate that the horrid deaths of two more Americans there had to convince him of that, though. Also, he needs to convince Afghanistan (and the Taliban) that we aren’t going to abandon them when we abandon them next year, so that they can hold together their government after Karzai. Of course, he has to do something to erase the memory of Gerald Ford’s abandonment of South Vietnam.

So, I’m sorry, Mr. Mardini, but this president has to send American forces back to Iraq, if for nothing else, to demonstrate American commitment to the region and, eventually, the world, because despite your short-sightedness, the Islamic jihadists have a history of establishing a base from which they can strike the rest of the world, and not just recently – for the last forty years when the only real threat from the region at the time was the PLO. they might not be able to strike at the US and at Europe this year, but that doesn’t mean that they can’t next year. Killing them in Iraq is better than killing them at home, as if we haven’t heard that enough for the last decade or so.

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B Woodman

“The Islamic State threat is overstated”, eh? Tell that to the innocent people, Christians and other muzzies, women and children, who have been beheaded, cut in half, buried alive, and subjected to other horrible forms of torture and death.

Libidiot asshole. . . . . . .

Perry Gaskill

Isn’t that special.

See the Washington Post. See the Washington Post try to provide “balanced” commentary.

Ramzi Mardini is either delusional, or somebody with an agenda. The history of world conflict is littered with examples of small groups who go on to control larger populations through either intimidation or ideology.

I’ve pretty much stayed out of the ISIS debate because there are brighter and better-informed members of the TAH crew than myself. Still, I ran across a quote from Dante Alighieri not long ago that might bear repeating:

“The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”

There comes a point in conflicts, at least it seems to me, when a resident population can no longer afford the luxury of neutrality. If you’re a person living in Iraq or Syria not actively opposing ISIS, you’re instead giving at least tacit approval to what they do.

MustangCryppie

Thousands of ISIS?

Someone remind me how many scumbag jihadis executed the 9/11 attacks.

Sparks

Ramzi Mardini is one of those Muslim sympathizers who wish we would pretend they are really a “peace loving religious people”. Bullshit!!! They are thugs and murderers and worse. If they subscribe to the Koran and follow it, then they cannot deny its teachings and tenets of faith. Infidels must convert or die and if they die at the hand of a Muslim in the work of Allah, all the better for them in their idea of “heaven”. I am done with them and I am done with Obama. He will not take a stand of any substance until he has an impossible coalition and until then he can blame the lack of international support. He will not do anything even if we are attacked again here. He will hem and haw and wait for consensus to be sure no one is offended or thinks badly of what he might do. It will take Congress, the Pentagon and more important the American people to stand him on his feet and demand he act or else. The “or else” will be a big one too.

Fen

“Obama’s restraint in the use of military power in recent years has helped keep the Islamic State’s focus regional — on its efforts to establish an Islamic caliphate in the Middle East rather than on launching attacks against the United States.”

At least admits Obama’s feckless restraint has helped them establish an Islamic caliphate. He seems to think thats benign, like the morons who said “the Reich just needs more living space. Hand them Sudetenland and all will be fine”

The Other Whitey

Yeah, that lebensraum idea worked out great for everybody, didnt it? After all, giving violent assholes what they demand is what ensures Peace In Our Time. Just ask Chamberlain!

Kevin
SFCashamed

Excellent read reminiscent of the great one himself.

I remember his making GWOT politically incorrect to use. Told my wife that I guess I can’t wear that Expeditionary Medal anymore… It really did not happen.

AW1Ed

IS’s expressed desire is to establish a Caliphate in the ME. To cement that, they need to take two cities. Can anyone in the class tell me which two, and where they are?

If you answered Medina and Mecca in Saudi Arabia, you get the gold star for the day. Any one wonder why King Abdullah is currently shitting peach pits?

Azygos

I don’t remember the source it was on one of the radio talk show programs. The guy was saying there are now about 30,000 ISIS members. If that is the case who is providing logistics for them? Food, Guns, Ammo etc… That is a lot of people to feed on the fly.

Dave

CIA report last week said that was the new estimate. ISIS did take control of a bank holding 430 mil in American dollars in June too.

That’s pretty cash flush for what they need considering they’re picking up equipment as they roll along.

SFCashamed

They are supplied with cash through Kuwaittees and Quatar

Veritas Omnia Vincit

The entire problem with the analysis in this article is the conclusions the author arrives at after stating the reality of the ISIS/ISIL threat. Today’s actual numbers are accurate this group is a minimal threat to the US and to the oil fields in the Middle East, and he is also accurate in ascertaining regional actors would be a better methodology to deal with the regional issues associated with ISIL/ISIS however those regional actors will not actually act during this crisis any more than they have during any other crisis in the middle east except those involving attacking Israel. No regional actors were involved in settling things between Iraq/Iran. No regional actors were involved in aiding the Syrians, no regional actors are involved in anything in the middle east because the Arabs don’t really believe they are brethren. Not now, not in the past, and certainly not in the future. They are incapable of action. Consequently the United States and the west are left to deal with these issues, the problem becomes one of how to measure the response both politically and financially against the risk the threat actually poses to regional security and US security. It has always been my contention it’s quite a bit easier to take a group like this and crush it with overwhelming force of numbers and weaponry when it’s still in these early stages of success against relatively weak opposition. A quarter of a million troops and a containment zone that become a giant kill box annihilating anyone in matching black robes and headgear sends a simple, yet elegant, message. Threaten stability in the middle east and die. Die violently and uselessly because we will not accept your threats or your presence as a threat to regional resources for the west. Mr. Mardini assumes there is a diplomatic outcome possible based on the ability of regional actors to negotiate in good faith which is something he feels the US is incapable of in the region. The problem with that analysis is that, like so many other dreamers, the assumption of negotiation in good faith… Read more »

MSgt Dale Day, US Army - Retired

What do you expect of another raghead?

David

1) Announce plans to attack prominent Moslem shrine under Isis control. (Normally this would provoke suspicion but het, we tell everyone exactly what we are going to do nowadays.)
2) Wait till ISIS fighters concentrate to protect said holy site.
3) Remove said site from the planet.
4) Apologize for radioactive parking lot remaining – this even plays to the President’s one talent, apologizing.

FatCircles0311

I was going to call this guy a Islamist supporter, but I think this little bit from his Biography sums it up even better;

“From 2010 to 2011, he served at the White House, within the Office of the National Security Advisor to the Vice President”

SFCashamed

Yes. That says it all. The lamest NSC in recent history.

Ex-PH2

I’m putting this link to a Reuters article here, because….

http://news.msn.com/world/thousands-of-syrian-kurds-enter-turkey-fleeing-islamic-state-advance

Yes, the threat certainly IS overstated. A sleeper cell is reported as being just across the US’s southern border, but its existence is denied by the White House. UN peacekeepers in Mali killed by ISers. 14 wannabe jihadists arrested in Australia, attacks by others stopped in Belgium.

Yes, the ‘threat’ certainly IS overstated, isn’t it? And that little incident with the fence jumper this past Friday?

When are you going to wake up and smell the shit in your face, you fucking asshole? When? Just tell me. I’d like to know, because meantime, I’ll be at the shooting range getting gunpowder therapy.