Robert Stanley McCormick; phony SF
Scotty sends us his work on Robert Stanley “Bo” McCormick. Green Beret Posers Exposed, Guardians of Valor and Professional Soldiers are supposed to be working on posts abut him, too. But as you can see in the picture above, he’s claiming to be a Special Forces-qualified veteran by wearing the full 10th SF Group (Germany) flash on his beret and by the Special Forces Qualification Tab on his vest. He’s also wearing a Diver Badge and jump wings. Well, some of that is true;
He graduated from jump school and went to Special Forces Training from August – November of 1966 as an Engineer, but he didn’t graduate and he went to 10th Special Forces Group in Germany (although it looks like there’s a error on the 2-1 that says he went to 1st SFG – but the 10th was at Bad Tolz, FRG, US Army Europe (USEUR) There is a picture on his Facebook page that shows him wearing a school flash on his beret). If I’m not mistaken, in those olden times, he would have worn a “candy stripe” on his beret, not a full flash, signifying that he was assigned to an SF unit, but not SF qualified.
Although his records indicate that he graduated from jump school, he didn’t attend or graduate from the Army combat divers course. Also his records indicate that he was assigned to 10th SFG as a unit armorer and supply sergeant.
I guess he was founder of the Special Forces Motorcycle Club and they could find nothing that supported his claims of being SF qualified. “Bo” told them that, even though he failed the course, Colonel Beck (Beckwith?) “awarded” him the qualifier and being a supply clerk in the 10th Group in Germany made him SF qualified. So they booted his ass.
Category: Phony soldiers
I don’t know what the rule was in the 60’s but in 1983 I was assigned to 5/19th SFG in the CO ARNG and at that time the headgear rule was: Non-airborne qualified (which was me at the time) wore the regular BDU cap. Airborne but not SF qualified (no “S” identifier on their MOS as this was before the 18-series MOSs) wore the green beret with the candy stripe and only fully SF qualified wore the beret with the full flash. In fact, becoming SF qualified was known as becoming “Full flash” qualified.
Talking with some of the “old timers” in SF, apparently it wasn’t unusual for a non-SF qualified support troop to have a beret with a full flash in his locker to wear on leave or when he was away from post. Sad to say, but believable. After all, military fakery has been around for a long time. Of course, if the Joe with the fake flash got caught wearing his unauthorized beret by someone in his chain of command, the reprisal could be brutal and could include being expelled back to “leg land.”
As I recall….in 1968 support personnel were still wearing candy bars…. only QUALIFIED personnel were full flash…. so if this photo was 1966…. and there is no record of him passing the Q course…. he was faking this a long time….. shame….I like him
For what it’s worth: as Martinjmpr notes above, the policy was the same in the early 1980s. But it’s my understanding it has gone back and forth over the years from Green Beret plus “candy stripe” to non-SF-qual in baseball cap plus wings plus unit ID disc to non-SF-qual wearing a maroon beret to everyone wearing Green Beret with flash (after the tab was created, I believe). I have no idea what the policy is today.
In any case, it’s quite obvious that this tool has no right to wear the tab and – based on his dates of service – no right to wear the Green Beret with a full flash. He’s thus a LSoS.
Something Something…Phildo Dildo Monkress on a Moped.
I dunno, maybe there’s just been so many of these clowns that they’re starting to look alike…..but this fuckstick reminds me of Kenneth “Crotchrot” Crocheron. Let’s see, fake Special Forces, motorcycle rider, and that same stupid shit-eating grin. Gotta be the same dude!
kendude crotchrot’s doppelganger battle buddy?
I ride by the MARSOC compound at Camp Lejeune on a regular basis. Guess that makes me a MARSOC Marine. Stand by for some bad-assery on my part!!!
Please tell me MARSOC Marines don’t run around with some special patch, tab, sash, or tiara of some kind.
They run around shirtless wearing boonie covers with a CAR pinned to their chest.
Are silkies the uniform of the day? Or did they go old school with UDT shorts?
The only thing that MARSOC ( Force Recon during my day)have that stands out is the Navy Jump Wings And Scuba bubble, if they have been to the schools. Those are not a unit patch, but individual qualification badges.
Once qualified the Marine wears them regardless of the unit or MOS he ends up at.
I am glad to hear that. I guess just being a Marine is still good enough.
To the troll blowing up my IM: Your mother sucks bat shit off cave walls. You have no idea what you are talking about. 2nd Force was not at Onslow beach dumbass and they didnt have a SgtMaj. 2nd Force Recon was part of Fumble Stumble Stagger and ReGroup at French Creek and at that time had a 1stSgt named Wade. To be there you were either ANLICO, LSB or 5/10 but gee peaches how would I know that. Stop trolling other peoples shit, there are grownups talking here.
I see we have another “John Valmey” (AKA “Dr. Dirty”) fan here.
“Ah, ya ya ya . . . ” (smile)
Not a sniper? What a loser.
The Special Forces Motorcycle Club. I bet that’s a bunch of guys that you don’t get to mess with…..twice.
Actually we are…..guess I should say….we were not 1% ers….that badass crap is for losers….. Read “Five Years To Freedom” by Nck Rowe and you see what happens to badasses
…. we were and are…..”quiet professionals”
RAT TURD.
This turd could always join a certain MC down in Florida.
because you found one fake does not mean we are all fakes…. paid my dues….deserve respect
Jonn: That FB picture you linked to does not appear to have him wearing a 1st Group flash. The 1st Group flash was yellow with a black line around the inside (added after JFK’s death.) What McCormick appears to be wearing is a solid white flash and IIRC that is the old flash of the SF Training Group (AKA JFKSWCS.)
Jonn: Just looked it up. It is indeed the training group flash. See here:
http://mac-sog.blogspot.com/2012/03/us-army-special-forces-beret-flash-set.html
#4. The 1st group flash is directly below it in the picture.
You’re right. I don’t know where I got the idea that was 1st SFG. I blame Al Gore.
Either way, he doesn’t seem to have ever rated a “full flash” of ANY kind unless students at JFKSWCS wore the beret and flash while going through training – but I can’t imagine that was the case, was it?
NO…. at the time he claims he was in SF….only qualified personnel wore full flash…. and the policy never changed while he was in service
I like this guy…if only because he managed to gut out military service beyond day 58. If he’d only claimed something oddly Spetsnaz with the diving course and written a book, he might have been home free.
I stand behind Robert Stanley McCormick 100%. I’ll never leave my friend’s behind.
sincerely
John “Faker 6” Giduck
With that much time in service, why does he only rate the National Defense Service Medal?
Shouldn’t he have also been awarded the Good Conduct Medal?
Without resorting to unauthorized embellishments or exaggerations, his legitimate service record appears honorable and exemplary.
JRM, He only spent a total of 2 years and 9 months on active duty. The 6 year time period listed on the FOIA is for the Universal Training Obligation we all incurred during that era regardless of how time was spent on Active Duty. I think that maybe he was a “Bullshit Artist” during his time on active duty (like he is yet today), or might have received a little bit of NJP and the Company Commander simply checked the “Do Not Recommend” block on the GCM paperwork. After all, he was not being seperated from a combat zone and the CO may have simply followed the regulations that said not all first awards of the GCM are automatic when less than 3 years of active duty are involved.
Not the 1st time a support guy claimed being “Flash Qualified.”Qualification via “nearby” is and was an epidemic. Division guys as well.
As the old song says: “Hardly worth going to war no more.”
He gets points for not claiming to be a sniper, RECON or a Seal.
Classic, founded a motorcycle club so exclusive that he wasn’t eligible to join.
That part of the story itself is enough to get him a top tier in the Tournament. I mean come on, it is one thing to try and busslhit some folks down at the local bar, but to be the founder of an SF Motorcycle Club and try and pass yourself off as a SF Soldier?? Total dumbass.
Another member of that sooper sekrit squirrel unit lead by ShOrTbUsWiNdOwLiCkEr41 (aka – RuMpRiDer6).
This butthead poser actively recruited for and surrounded himself with those other Non-Special Forces Qualified club members. He placed them on the National Board and then used their Board votes to openly attacked “real” Green Berets in the club when they disagreed with him. What a POS.
RGB, I missed seeing any of this. I’m not a GB, and I don’t hang with those who are, but could you link to any stories on this part of Bonehead Bo’s actions? My suspicion is if it can be proven, it’s actionable.
I’m hoping if there’s evidence it took place, those harmed will act against this, and set the record straight. Thanks, stay safe.
Like to see your documentation on all these other “posers”….. you claim he place on the board….. I was vetted before I joined…. I am not a poser….I seriously doubt any other members are posers… you should not make accusations without proof
Interesting that he was in an SF unit in the 60’s and never claimed to be in Vietnam. That makes him a bit unique right there.
Also “Motorcycle Club Poser” seems to be a category all by itself at this point. Having been a rider for 32 years now it’s a phenomenon that I’ve watched grow over the years.
It’s gotten to the point now where it seems like every Harley rider over 55 years old was in Vietnam, usually as a SpecialForcesRangerReconSealSniper.
How the hell did we lose that war with all those badasses fighting for us?
The age thing is humorous, too. I’m 52 and the war ended when I was in Junior High, so when I see guys barely older than me claiming to be VN Vets I start counting on my fingers and thinking “this just doesn’t add up.” Either that or we had a secret battalion of 13 year olds fighting in the jungles over there.
Just for the facts / history …WE DID NOT LOSE THAT WAR…. we signed a PEACE TREATY in 1973….ALL combat troops went home….the North Vietnamese invaded in 1975….TWO YEARS LATER
You can not lose a war you were not there to fight…. the South Vietnamese lost the SECOND Vietnam War all by themselves
Hey guys, You all wanna bash Bo McCormick for his falsehoods, that’s fine, but leave SFMC out of it. As a very recently resigned charter member of that organization, I can tell you that the club has raised several thousands of dollars for Special Operations Warrior Foundation, Paws for Patriots and other outfits that serve to assist the SF community’s wounded warriors and families. Besides, I was not the only fully qualified Green Beret in the club. There are many more still registered and they are probably going to try to keep the club alive to continue to do good deeds for the community. Trash talking the club serves no constructive purpose, so I ask you all to avoid trash talking about the Motorcycle Club and , if you must, only concentrate only on the one person involved in wrongdoing.
I have a much better idea. Instead of quitting, why not do a better job of policing your own?
NHS,
I’m sure that no shit ever slipped through the cracks in your life. I’m also sure that SFMC will either deal with this, or fold entirely. As for me quitting, my reasons for resigning are several – not isolated to this incident – and none of your damn business.
The SFMC was an honorable club when it came to charity fundraising rides – granted. But, it is tainted and will now and forever be tainted due to the poser. Raising money will be hurt, asking for donations, those you ask will always wonder “is he a real Green Beret or posing as one”. And, once the 1% Clubs get ahold of this, all SFMC members stupid enough to wear the SFMC colors will be a target. They will want to have a set of those “poser” colors on their clubhouse wall to laugh at. I am afraid the only recourse is to fold the SFMC completely and have another club (like a Special Operations MC) stand up. Public trust is gone for the SFMC in Florida, honestly, you should accept that and move on.
That’s not what his official records say, tool.
Have the man provide Jonn some proof. Put up or shut up.
Nice deflection, but no, doesn’t work that way. If you wish to decline discussing why you left, that’s cool. Kinda weak, but okay.
RGB is correct. YOU have to have the stones to stand up and call out your own when you see this kind of shit. Have I been perfect? Nope–but ask anyone who has ever known me, and they’d tell you, 1–I own my mistakes, 2–I do what I can to make it right.
Did you even attempt to call out this guy or the others like him? No? Then yeah, that does taint you, like it or not.
Again: have him provide proof. His archived military records say otherwise.
Right on Brother…. and for the information of the guy posting this crap…. the vetting procedure was as good as it could be within reason…. Bo founded the club….nobody vets the founder…. I am embarrassed but not guilty or ashamed….beyond that….I liked Bo… he did some good things
James: As I remember it, someone in the club tried to get Bo’s bona-fides several years ago and was attacked and labeled a poser himself although he was legit. The guy had found that his SFA member number didn’t jive with SFA-HQ and he called him on it. From what I am told now SFA is conducting their own investigation into Robert Stanley McCormick’s membership, application and eligibility now as well.
The man has no integrity and for all the good he attempted to do, this will far over shadow it and the SFMC will need to fold.
On a personal note: my wife and I gave money to this organization and went on several of their “Anniversary Rides” with them. We were more than a casual observer into Bo activities and how he used to attack people who disagreed with him.
Provide proof. That’s not what his archived records say.
As a non-qualified former E-4, (71R10, and probably shouldn’t even have had THAT), I find this crap sickening. My oldest son proudly wore the Ranger tabs that he EARNED, and still has the right to do so, even though for the most part, he doesn’t roll that way. (If you’re really desperate to find out if he’s Ranger qualified, screw with him.)
I was tossed out. I am not proud of my “service,” and I stick to that. I don’t make claims to be who I’m not. I’ve learned over the years, and I’m not going to shame my kid, or those he served with, or anyone else who served the nation by pulling this kind of crap. Old “Bo” needs to man up, own up, and shut the fuck up. Period.
I am Charter Member #5 of Bo’s club. I graduated SFQC in late 1963/early 1964. Reported to the 10th SFGA in Bat Tolz FRG during the President’s Day in Feb 1964. Spent the long weekend on the top floor of Flint Kaserne shinning my boots for when I was to report to SGM John Peolette on Tuesday Morning. I was there from Feb 64 to Feb 67 in “A” Co as an 05B4P, BUT, wore the full flash as instructed to do because every soldier in the 10th “wore the full flash to confuse the Russian Spies living in Bad Tolz and the surrounding communities as to who was fully “S” qualified soldiers. I was awarded my “S” after completion of 3 FULL length field problems, being recommended by my Team Sgt “MSG Bill Holtz”, and my Team Leader Cpt Bill Beason. I was awarded my “S” during a morning formation by the “C” Team Commander LTC Ludwik “Blue Max” Faisimheimer. When I was called out in front of the formation I thought I was in deep dodo!!! It was a great day.
For those of you that did not serve in the 10th at that time, NO ONE wore the candy bar there. Not unit clerks, supply personnel, and not those assigned to the 402 ASASOD (Abn) either. We had to cover for those personnel assigned to “A” Company but serving undercover in the non-existing “Det “A”” in Berlin. This was a way to confuse the spies because they could not account for those that ended up in Det “A” because our manpower strength looked like we were “Up to strength” with full flash personnel. I think the guise worked very well.
By the way, a “Full Field Problem” for us on an “A” Team as advisors to a Guerrilla Force lasted no less than 2 months and up to more than 3 months depending on wether we were advising an Infantry or Armor Division.
Really? It’s odd that his official military personnel records on-file at the National Personnel Records Center doesn’t show that.
If your claim is correct, then he’ll have no trouble providing proof of same to the site owner – his contact info (phone, USPS, email) is on the “Contact Us” link at the bottom of each page here. If that alleged proof checks out, I’m sure Jonn will print a retraction. Until then, official records are presumed to be correct.
And please – spare us the “the assignment was classified” or the “records were burned in the records fire” horsecrap. Assignments to Special Forces units in Vietnam and after appear as such in personnel records. And the “records fire didn’t affect any Vietnam-era Army records.
You say the man has proof from DA? Tell him to send it. But forgive me if I’m not holding my breath waiting.
Then you – or he – will be able to provide a citation indicating the year and date of the case, right?
Again: his records say otherwise. Provide proof, or quit blathering like a star-struck groupie.
I read in a couple of comments above about the LTC Beck that Bo McCormick claims to have received his “S” from. Some of you guys (the younger “S” qualified) made some comments that there never was a LTC Martin (I mistakenly said Marvin) Beck as the Co of “C” Company, 10th SFGA, 1st SF. LTC Beck is mentioned on The Virtual Wall. Please note that he was KIA in July 1969 in a C&C Chopper Crash. Need more proof?? Here is the copy of The Virtual Wall notes: Martin Robert Beck ON THE WALL: Panel W20 Line 38 PERSONAL DATA: Home of Record Gainesville, FL Date of birth: 08/30/1925 This page Copyright© 1997-2013 http://www.VirtualWall.org MILITARY DATA: Service: Army of the United States Grade at loss: O5 Rank/Rate: Lieutenant Colonel ID No: 213200115 MOS/RATING: 31542: Infantry Unit Commander (Special Forces Qual) Length Service: 22 Unit: DET B-41 (MOC HOA), D CO, 5TH SF GROUP, USARV CASUALTY DATA: Start Tour: 04/28/1969 Incident Date: 07/24/1969 Casualty Date: 07/24/1969 Age at Loss: 43 Location: Kien Tuong Province, South Vietnam Remains: Body recovered Casualty Type: Hostile, died outright Casualty Reason: Helicopter – Noncrew Casualty Detail: Air loss or crash over land URL: http://www.VirtualWall.org/db/BeckMR02a.htm Data accessed: 7/15/2014 Do you have any more questions??? Ask away. I may be less than one year away from 80 years old but I can still remember many things that you young guys will never be able to make claim too. I remember the day JFK was at Mackeller’s Lodge at Ft Bragg as a LEG Engineer, just before his fatefully trip to Texas. After seeing that demonstration, as a support unit, I decided that I wanted to join Special Forces. I put in my application, took the test, went to Jump School, returned to Ft Bragg to SFTG on Smoke Bomb Hill, took a break from training to move from Smoke Bomb Hill to the other side of Bragg Blvd called the ROTC Area, then back to the MOS training on the hill, Then Phase III (You call it Robin Sage). Those are things you young guys can never… Read more »
Carey, you got it right! I served in both Company A (1962 to 1965 and Company C under Col. Martin R. Beck 1967-1968. Beck was the best commander I ever had. Also I remember you.
Ole Bo, is still doing his best to keep the SFMC alive. I saw him a month ago in Tampa at the Veterans Park. He was working the Special Operations Warrior Foundation booth. Still sporting the SFMC colors. Still being a poser. I flipped him off, told him where he can go and walked on. He will be the same shithead liar poser until he dies. He has lied for so long he believes his bullshit.